Following an ugly public back-and-forth with UFC president Dana White about his client Nate Diaz, manager Mike Kogan was a guest on Submission Radio and talked about his client who's holding out for more money.
"I reached out to the UFC before the Donald Cerrone/(Jim) Miller fight even happened and said 'hey, how about we fight the winner? Nate beat both of them, they've both since fought 4 times and won, you know', and they said 'oh you know, let's see how the guys are after the fight, maybe they're banged up, maybe there not'. Next thing you know, they announce the fight with Khabib. Then Khabib blows his knee like 15 minutes later and now they're saying he's gonna be fighting Eddie Alvarez who's not even signed with the UFC yet. And we asked for that fight when Michael Johnson got injured. We hit up the UFC and said 'hey we'll fight Thompson'. That was like 10 day notice, you know. We said maybe ask them if they'll do like a little higher weight, like a catch-weight, you know like 160 or something, so it's short notice. And they said 'no, we have it figured out. Don't worry about it'.
When asked if Nate Diaz getting closer to coming back to the UFC and if talks are continuing, Kogan continued.
"No, right now nobody's talking to anybody. I mean, Dana made it very clear that Nate should be happy with what he has and he doesn't see any reason to even discuss it, he's not really as popular as I guess we believe he is, and that was that, we just kind of stopped there. So right now no, nobody's talking to anybody."
When asked about his Twitter comments on ratings drawn from Nate's fights which Dana didn't receive well
"I think the numbers I put up are the numbers that have been announced. I mean I didn't say anything different than what's already been said."
"Dana said Nate had the lowest rated fight in FOX history which is not true, that was Demetrious Johnson. Nate's fight against (Jim) Miller actually peaked at 3 million views on the same night that (Floyd) Mayweather was fighting and Sugar Shane Mosley was on the undercard, which you know, he's a name fighter, which means people are going to tune into that undercard fight and not just wait for (Floyd) Mayweather to hit. And on that night, on FOX he did 3 millions views with his fight, you know. He's not responsible for the rest of the card and the aspects that the show generates, but even the show did 2.4 million average which was higher than the Demetrious Johnson fight did."
"The latest show which was a phenomenal card. I mean it was a great card, great fights. You know Robbie Lawler fought Matt Brown in the main event it was a great fight. It did 2 million over nights and 2.5 million in total. I mean, if he doesn't move the needle then neither does anybody else in the UFC, then nobody else should be making any money. So my point was, I just put out the numbers that have been released before, and I said 'if he doesn't move the needle than these numbers must not be impressive or they must not move the needles."
"And then (Donald) Cerrone did a fight with Miller, they were on FS1. I understand (that) it's not the same number of viewers, because in the U.S. FS1 is available in like 83 million homes and FOX is available on 125 million homes, but we're also talking about an average rating of 640,000. I mean that's not moving the needle in my book, but anyway I'm not a needle specialist so I don't know"
"And there was a video of Dana himself praising that Miller (/Diaz) fight as being great, and hitting all the top demographics, and doing this and that, so I just don't understand how at that time it was great and now all of a sudden it's horrible."
When asked about Dana's tweet back to Kogan calling him a "scum bag" and a "dirt bag" and if it hurt his relationship with the UFC and the negotiations on Nate's behaf, Kogan said, "I doubt it, I mean I don't know, I don't hold grudges, it's whatever. Dana probably holds grudges, he probably doesn't really like me very much but what can I do? Nothing I can do about it."
"This thing, it wasn't supposed to be played out in the media. I mean, we tried to have a private conversion a long time ago, and instead of having it, UFC started trashing Nate to media, saying he's turning down fights, and he's afraid, and this that and whatever, to which we responded"
"Go track down a single incident in which either Nate or I have said anything that was other than reactionary. Anything that was proactively said. Nothing. Not once. There's never been an interview or an article where, you know we're initiating a discussion with the UFC or over media as accreditation. Never, always been reactionary. Our first reaction was when he got accused of being scared of fighting Khabib (Nurmagomedov), and that's not true. From there on, every time either one of us says anything it's always as a reaction to something that's already been said. It's never been proactive."
"Now it's like Jerry springer."
"If you're gonna be out there trashing my guy, then I'm gonna say something. I'm not just gonna be sitting back like 'oh yeah you know, we're so blessed to be breathing this air'."
When asked about Nate Diaz sitting out and asking for more money, Kogan said, "Obviously Nate doesn't want to sit around. He's a fighter who wants to fight, but at the same time you know, there are circumstances that lead up to this conversation, which we feel are justified and they feel are not. But this conversion didn't just come out the blue. Nate didn't just wake up one morning and say 'hey you know what, I'm just gonna ask for more money and just sit around and not fight'. That's not how it happened. There were conversations proceeding to this, there were circumstances under which the last contract got signed and promises made there's a lot of other factors"
"I don't want people out there thinking that this guy just woke up one morning and decided that you know, he's just going to do this that and the other."
"At some point, hopefully we will have some kind of a discussion and something will happen one way or the other. Now that being said, we have offered a number of fights that we were happy to take even with the current structure, but we weren't given those. I reached out to the UFC before the Donald Cerrone/(Jim) Miller fight even happened and said 'hey, how about we fight the winner? Nate beat both of them, they've both since fought 4 times and won, you know', and they said 'oh you know, let's see how the guys are after the fight, maybe they're banged up, maybe there not'. Next thing you know, they announce the fight with Khabib. Then Khabib blows his knee like 15 minutes later and now they're saying he's gonna be fighting Eddie Alvarez who's not even signed with the UFC yet. And we asked for that fight when Michael Johnson got injured. We hit up the UFC and said 'hey we'll fight Thompson'. That was like 10 day notice, you know. We said maybe ask them if they'll do like a little higher weight, like a catch-weight, you know like 160 or something, so it's short notice. And they said 'no, we have it figured out. Don't worry about it'. So he's not just sitting out there and going, you know 'I don't wanna fight anybody' we just don't wanna fight up and coming young guys and have people build their name off of Nate for the money that he's getting paid."