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Cage Potato Makes Case For Random Testing

CP lays out the case for state controlled random drug testing for athletes engaged in combat athletics:

That said, I'm going to go one step farther and assert that it is also a good thing that the state athletic commission is the one doing the testing, and not a private entity like the UFC.

Is the NSAC a branch of the government in some awkward sense? Yes. But this isn't the FBI knocking on your door to do a retina scan because you checked out The Communist Manifesto from the local library. This is done to promote fairness and a level playing field.

We want the commission to do it simply because we don't want the UFC to be in charge of it. Self-policing doesn't work well in these scenarios. Just look at the WWE. Look at Pride. Look at any organization where there's no oversight from an unbiased organization. Things get bad in a hurry. Baseball can survive a widespread steroid scandal, but MMA can't. It's in too fragile a state. Just as the UFC ran to regulation of their rules and competitions, the same is necessary when it comes to performance-enhancing drugs.

Rome seems particularly bothered about the random aspect of the testing, which is done, he says "without any probable cause." My question is, if he's unhappy with random testing, which type would he prefer? Essentially, your options for answering that question are a) none at all, b) before and/or after fights, or c) only when there is "probable cause." Which would be what, exactly? Having traps that come out of your ears?

Random testing is the only type that works. It works because it instills a constant fear of being caught into anyone currently using banned substances. To anyone not using them, it's merely an inconvenience.

As soon as you apply for a license to fight professionally in the state of Nevada, you are essentially agreeing to take a random drug test. If you don't want to do it, that's fine. Don't apply for the license. Or, when they ask you for a urine sample, just refuse. They're not going to send you to Guantanamo Bay for it. You just won't be allowed to fight professionally in Nevada, which is not a guaranteed right in the first place.

Equating random drug testing in sports with "oppressive government tactic[s]" only serves to make you sound like an alarmist while at the same time cheapening real accusations of oppressive government tactics, like warrantless wire-tapping. This is a question of how to make our sport as fair and legitimate and clean as possible, not a question of civil rights.

I'm remaining quiet for now, if for no other reason than I find the back and forth among the various parties quite illuminating.

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Re: Cage Potato Makes Case For Random Testing
I'm going to remain quiet too and just let people respond.  I clearly come at this from a different perspective, I don't believe there is a "steroid crisis," I don't believe it is "cheating," I don't believe the testing will "save" anyone, and I am very well-aware that the most common oppressive government tactics are not the bright colored ones like wire tapping (which is much worse than this), but the death by a thousand cuts types we get when we allow completely random drug testing by the state to determine whether or not you can work.

by Michael Rome on May 7, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Lay off the reefer, it's making you paranoid.  

You are also delusional if you think steroids have no ill effects.  It is true that there may be some benefits, but it is also true that short term athletic success can be gained by abusing them. This is not about the government, its about keeping the playing field level and the over all legitimacy of the sport.  The government does it because there is no one else that will or can effectively.

by szucconi on May 7, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Nail on head: without a level playing field (or as much of a level playing field as is possible), the contest of two people fighting for dominance becomes completely meaningless.  Promotions are capitalist corporations, which means they are intended to make money; it's foolish to ask them to go against their own interests and take actions against their commodity/product - the fighters - when they unballance the playing field through steroid use.  I don't trust the government, and I sure as hell don't think the government should be allowed to say who can and can't "work", but I think there has to be someone/some organization external to the interested parties (fighters and promotions) who works to make sure that the field is level.  Right now, there is a part of the government - the Athletic Commission - that is set up to do that.  The only thing I see wrong with the equation is that the fighters have not been fully informed and asked for consent; that would require an extensive educational program, and the simple understanding that no fighter has to subject themself to random testing, but not doing so means not fighting.  If there was a little more respect for the fighters' ability to give or withhold consent, I'd be happy.

And, glancing up to the next article on this, just because surgery could potentially boost a fighter's performance is not a reason to not fight steroid and other chemical enhancement.  That's like saying that because a gang member could stab someone with a knife, there's no reason to try and ensure gangs don't get illegal guns.

by AJB on May 7, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm just not happy with MMA becoming a war of who has the best pharmacist - the way that baseball and cycling have.
-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on May 7, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Cycling is almost certainly the cleanest sport out there.  They just happen to have the best testing policy and even ban people based on suspicion.

by Richard Wade on May 7, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I was under the impression, and I'm not an expert, but I talk to those who claim to be so, that the issue wasn't that cycling is clean (see recent scandals) but that they had access to the best and least testable pharmaceuticals BECAUSE the testing was so rigorous.

But that's all gossip. I mostly threw it in there to tweak Lance fans. :-)

And I would contend that table tennis cleaner.

-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on May 8, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Since people sweat more doing it indoors that anybody does golfing outdoors. :-)
-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on May 11, 2008 9:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Well Luke is not gonna comment? I dont blame you after the weak arguement you made a few stories up.  Comparing legal over-the-counter supplements to illegal steroids, too funny.  Luke, why not remind us that if we drink too much water we could throw off our electrolites and die.
Leg Locks Rule!

by jjdnb on May 8, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Cage Potato Makes Case For Random Testing
Um, I didn't make that argument. That was someone else I do believe.

by Luke Thomas on May 8, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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