Kevin Iole Defends UFC Fighter Pay
I haven't bagged on Iole in a while and I don't intend to here, mostly because some of the numbers he provides to prove the UFC pays more than some in the MMA media suggest are actually compelling. But Iole also fails to note one critical factor about UFC pay that keeps fighters at a disadvantage: transparency. Notable quote:
Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre reportedly received a $500,000 bonus and a Hummer when he knocked out Matt Hughes at UFC 65 in Sacramento, Calif.
Additionally, fighting in the UFC makes an athlete significantly more attractive to a sponsor. Frank Mir made $85,000 for the logos he wore into the cage for his fight with Brock Lesnar that night. Had he been fighting in another organization, there's zero chance he would have earned half that in sponsorship money and he likely wouldn't have gotten 20 percent as much.
So Mir that night earned a base pay of $40,000, a win bonus of another $40,000, a submission of the night bonus of $60,000 and then hauled in $85,000 in sponsorship dollars.
He's not going to be able to retire after that bout, but bringing in $225,000 for one night's work isn't bad at any time, especially in this economy. A fighter like Chuck Liddell is making around $6 million a year between his salary and his sponsorships and was making at least $9 million little more than a year ago. He was getting $75,000 a month from Xyience and received $1 million for just two weekends of promoting the movie, "300."
"The UFC will pay you if you perform," said fighter agent Dean Albrecht, Mir's agent. "It's like in the NFL. They're not going to rip up your contract after one great game, but if you perform over a period of time, they'll pay you and pay you extremely well. In the UFC, if you go out and fight and put on a great show, believe me, they pay extremely well and they can make some of these kids rich."
As league procedure, this wouldn't fly for a second in the NFL, MLB or NBA. When payments (short of smaller gifts teams will occasionally give players) are made a matter of public record, it enables the athlete and their management team to negotiate an informed deal based on needs and what athletes in similar situations are receiving. By offering sometimes secretive payments, the UFC robs the fighters of the opportunity to sign a deal that could otherwise be more lucrative were they to have referential evidence.
If you want to respect fighters, pay them what they're worth, right? Everyone seemingly agrees with that. But what they're worth is also partly a function of what their peers make - above and below the table.
Credential now. Transparency now.
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Re: Kevin Iole Defends UFC Fighter Pay
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
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The people who make out best from the deal are the guys like Demian Maia, who locked up Sub of the Night at 83 and took home a cool 75K bonus. You can feed yours and your brother's family with that.
Besides, they're the dudes that sign on the dotted line for the price to put their body on the line. No one is forcing them, they decided it was a good idea. If you don't like it, walk away from the table and work at Applebee's. :P
by Gabber on Apr 30, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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I still think I would be more apt to believe that by and large for your "middle of the road" fighter, the UFC would pay better than most. For the Tomato Can, they would probably undercut, someone like EliteXC might overpay to just fill the roster. Now it seems as opposed to stocking cans though, the UFC is cutting them lose ala Doerksen, Starnes, Lutter..
Does anyone have any links of EliteXC's fighter payouts? I know with Le vs Shamrock, there was a significant drop-off after the first two fights. :P
by Gabber on Apr 30, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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In your job, everyone is entitled to a bonus provided they meet certain requirements. And the bonus system is in place to reward effort.
That's very different than saying X employee got a reward under the table for this month of performance yet employee Y got a bigger bonus the previous month even though he didn't do anything great (say his numbers were lower than X's overall but the best that particular month). That would be an infuriating and confusing scenario at best and in my mind, it's not one that behooves the fighter.
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If you don't put on a good show, don't fucking well expect the locker room bonus Randy got. If you don't build performance as part of your contract, don't expect a bonus. It's that simple. I don't know how much transparency you have in your work place, but I know very little of what my co-workers make. It's none of my goddam business. Just like my bonus is the information of none but mine and my employer. I sure as hell wouldn't want a blog posting my salary for everyone to see every time a quarterly report comes up. That's why I negotiate with my boss and not through a union with a charter. We're talking a private company. They have the right to give someone a bonus if he comes out in a Porky Pig suit with UFC Rulez tattooed on his back. If the fighters want to form a union, best of luck to them. But the bonus structure goes right down the toilet from that point on.
by Gabber on Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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They're doing this in direct response to Randy Couture's point yesterday that they paid all the fighters on every PPV in 2007 less than Floyd Mayweather made for 2 fights.
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You would place yourself at a disadvantage to the fighters and to your competitors in all negotiations.
As much as I would like to see fighters get paid what they deserve, the only inequity appears to be at the top level, and like it or not, no one in MMA is a draw on the level of Mayweather or Dela Hoya. It is their names that sell a single fight, and so they do deserve to reap the rewards.
History to date shows that the UFC is popular not MMA and people pay to see the UFC. The Affliction show may show that changing with Sylvia v Fedor, and we may see that MMA as a sport is on the rise, but I doubt it.
by 2short on May 1, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Richard Wade on Apr 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Hank on May 1, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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UFC's fighter relation policy can be boiled down to three words: Divide and Conquer.
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by Dominic on Apr 30, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
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by Dominic on Apr 30, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Luke Thomas on Apr 30, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Richard Wade on May 1, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
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Another thing is how big are other promotions really; such as Elite XC? We couldn't even watch that show in Canada (at least here in Vancouver?) so how big is it really?
by Hank on May 1, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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