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I found out about a week and a half after the fight that I had tested positive for Nandrolone and at that point in time I had never heard of Nandrolone before.

I know that I didn't take Nandrolone so obviously there's gotta be an explanation somewhere. I still feel that the belt belongs to me, got taken from me for something that I didn't do. So I really think that if you want to be the champ, you need to beat the champ. BJ didn't beat me.

Mentally I think BJ has some quit in him. I've seen it, I've seen it in the past. If you push him he'll quit.

-- Sean Sherk talks about his road to redemption at UFC 84. I was already excited for this fight, but after watching this video interview... wow, it is May 24th yet?

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If they are going to let Sherk talk about the steroids they need to let BJ rip on him for it...

by SCupitt on Apr 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT   0 recs

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I am so stoked about this fight. In the past I've hated on Sherk, but he really won me over with his performance against Franca. Despite all the negative reviews of that fight, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Franca had a great gameplan and almost caught Sherk with that guillotine on the first take down and then the knees in rounds 2 and 4. Sherk basically doesn't have finishing tools, so he's like a baseball team with great pitching and weak offense -- he has to control every second of a fight to win.
He shouldn't be able to do that against B.J.
In fact I expect B.J. to dominate position as well as land the more devastating offense, but nevertheless, Sherk is so powerful and resilient, that B.J. will need to finish him early or watch a decision slip away from him in rounds 3,4, and 5. It's the perfect test for both fighters.

by Kid Nate on Apr 27, 2008 10:53 AM EDT   0 recs

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Sherk seems to have gotten the label of someone who can't finish fights and I think it's slightly misplaced.  In Sherk's last 12 fights, 3 have got to a decision.  Let me repeat myself - only 3 of Sherk's last 12 fights have gone to a decision.  

And let's look at 2 of those 3 decisions - against Hermes Franca and Nick Diaz.  Out of Hermes Franca's 6 losses, only 1 has NOT been by decision.  That means that Hermes has only been finished once in his career of 24 fights.  Nick Diaz has been finished 2 times in the 23 fights that comprise his career.  One of those stoppages was in 2002 and the other was the controversial stoppage due to a cut in the KJ Noons fight.  What I'm trying to point out is that both of these fighters are EXTREMELY hard to finish.  The fact that Sherk beat them both via unanimous decisions shouldn't automatically brand him as "unable to finish fights."

Sherk's other decision win was against Florian.  This fight, in my view, should not provide evidence either way because Sherk fought with essentially one arm (torn rotator).  The evidence it does provide, however, is of the heart and dedication Sherk has.  A point that does not seem to win him as many fans as it should.

Another important point that people should be aware of is that Sherk has finished Karo Parisyan in a previous fight.  So, unlike Georges St. Pierre, Sherk was able to finish that fight.

Sorry for the long post but I think it's a point that needs to be made. Most MMA fans are so short-sighted that it's not surprising they would jump to the ill-informed conclusion that Sherk can't finish fights or that he can only win by lay-and-pray.  

(the poster formerly known as holden636)

by TheFightJournal on Apr 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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That was a pretty solid comment.  Certainly food for thought.

by Richard on Apr 27, 2008 11:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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That's actually not that great of a comment. It's what they call cherry-picking. It's a kind of deception. Let's look at the other 9 fights to see why:

GSP TKO'd him. Does Sean get credit for that not going to decision?

The next 8 fights are all wins are against: Joel Blanton, Lee King, Brodie Farber, Darin Brudigan, Gerald Strebendt, Eric Heinz, Jake Short, and Kaleo Padilla. A veritable "Who's that?" of MMA, in a veritable "What is that?" of promotions. Only 2 of those people are important enough for anybody to have created a Wikipedia entry for them. One of those is 7-12-1, and the entry erroneously points to a soccer player. The combined records for those 8 fighters? 70-60-2 almost uniformly against nobody you've ever heard of. Nice.

Against top fighters? He has a TKO win over Karo back in 2001. The rest of the big names are all decision wins and losses. I guess we could pretend that Benji Radach and Tiki Ghosn are big names... but let's not lie to ourselves.

So let's rephrase this so that "TheFightJournal" can agree with it: Sean is a boring fighter unless he's fighting scrubs. Better?

-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on Apr 28, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Hold on, how out of it is Sherk if he's never heard of the Nandralone? It was only a couple weeks before he fought that Royce got busted for it. Take a break from fighting and read something, muscle-boy. And how exhausted must he be after his workouts not to notice which roids his trainers are injecting him with?

And at what point was Kenny Florian the champ? I don't remember that at all.

K.Nate is right that Sherk has no offensive tools. And I think that when he thought he saw "quit" in BJ, it was probably that broken rib that Hughes gave him. But you need to do something besides Jump and Hump to break a rib, so he really has no chance against BJ. And that's presuming he pass his drug test.

-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on Apr 27, 2008 11:06 AM EDT   0 recs

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Sherk by complete and utter domination.

And then maybe the nuthugging will stop

by Yasnian on Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM EDT   0 recs

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Hey, a lot of us enjoy the nut-hugging. And I understand from Luke that there's nothing wrong with that.

Also: if you want Sherk to win, you should send him an email and tell him about striking and grappling. If he could try that stuff out, it might help his game. :-)

-- Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ

by jemaleddin on Apr 27, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I want Sherk to win so he can finally shut BJ the hell up and get his belt back. I'm not one of those retards who is rooting for Sherk out of spite to Penn nuthuggers.

by godzillad on Apr 27, 2008 2:35 PM EDT   0 recs

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That's actually the quote that set off my bullshit meter with Sherk. With all the time he has spent with wrestlers and weight lifters, not to mention while in Japan, I find it really hard to believe that he never once heard of it. I knew of it by the time I was sixteen and hitting the gym.

I think Sherk is many things; ignorant of the common illicit substances used in this sport isn't one of them.

by oddtom on Apr 27, 2008 3:50 PM EDT   0 recs

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I don't know that I think Sherk is a generally dishonest given the universe of honorable and dishonorable people are MMA fighters. That is, among his peers, I don't find him to be particularly dishonest even if he has been caught cheating and subsequently defending his erroneous claims.

But yes, a fighter that disciplined, driven and technical about his training and diet is unaware of the more scientific names for performancing enhancing drugs. It's just a ludicrous claim. Read any typical magazine off the shelves that deals with men's health or fitness and the discussions are plenty technical for Sherk to have heard or know about nandrolone. It's too common a word and too common part of a well-known important issue within the community as obsessed and mindful of nuance in athletics as Sherk.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 27, 2008 5:48 PM EDT   0 recs

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And more importantly - it's impossible to "eat for performance" and take 21 OTC substances or research what the body needs down to a highly specific levels and not know what's bad or harmful in certain amounts. When you want to know what makes muscles grow, learn proper workout technique/theory, and diets to adopt/why, you also learn about all the bad things that can happen to muscles or the human body. How does one learn about what's bad about muscles and health without first trying to figure out what works? And steroids in athletics are involved in several parts of that question: both as a drug with harmful short term and long term consequences and as a performance enhancer that can make muscles do very extraordinary things. And then there's the illicit locker room talk of steroids. I've heard PLENTY of between my time working out and the Marines. I knew a few who were on it consistently for a couple of years, beating piss tests and all. If I've come across talk of steroids - and nandrolone occasionally - I find it highly improbable it just slipped Sherk by.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 27, 2008 6:07 PM EDT   0 recs

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How many times is Sherk going to say you have to beat the champ to be the champ when all he had to do was beat Kenny Florian??

:-/

by hankd on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT   0 recs

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It is kind of funny that he keeps harping on that.  At least B.J. beat Pulver who actually held the belt.

by Richard on Apr 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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