Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
| Fight Matrix | MMA Weekly | 5 Oz. of Pain | Irish Whip |
| Quinton Jackson | Quinton Jackson | Quinton Jackson | Quinton Jackson |
| Chuck Liddell | Mauricio Rua | Lyoto Machida | Dan Henderson |
| Ryoto Machida | Dan Henderson | Chuck Liddell | Mauricio Rua |
| Keith Jardine | Chuck Liddell | Forrest Griffin | Ryoto Machida |
| Dan Henderson | Lyoto Machida | Mauricio Rua | Chuck Liddell |
| Forrest Griffin | Keith Jardine | Keith Jardine | Forrest Griffin |
| Mauricio Rua | Forrest Griffin | Wanderlei Silva | Wanderlei Silva |
| Sokoudjou | Wanderlei Silva | Sokoudjou | Sokoudjou |
| Ricardo Arona | Sokoudjou | Vladimir Matyushenko | Antonio Rogerio Nogueira |
| Wanderlei Silva | Ricardo Arona |
Thiago Silva | Rashad Evans |
Usually I include Sherdog in these little roundups but they haven't gotten their new rankings out and I just couldn't wait. Next time I think I'll drop MMA Weekly or Irish Whip and replace them with MMA HQ's fan selected picks.
That way I'll have one rankings system done by computer (FightMatrix), one by fan vote MMAHQ, and two by pundits (Sherdog and 5oz of Pain probably not Irish Whip or 411 Mania). I'm also toying with the idea of doing an aggregate of all the rankings but can't quite figure out how to do the points -- should I invert things and make a #1 ranking worth 10 points, #2 worth 9points and so on? Suggestions welcome. I may also include Luke's rankings that he gives to whatever web site that is (Luke help me out here), CBS Sports? Pro Elite?
Anyway it seems pretty clear that the once vaunted MMA Weekly rankings are pretty rank. Are they composed from deep within Takanori Gomi's jock or what? Inside the bowels of zombie PRIDE? What ever it is the fumes are distoring their thinking.
The big question here is who is #2, #3, #4 etc -- after the consensus #1 Rampage Jackson, there's a muddle. The Matrix, which is based on points awarded for past wins, think Liddell's win over Silva puts him right back near the top and everyone seems to agree that he's leapfrogged Keith Jardine.
Machida has definitely risen in the ranks after his impressive showing over Sokoudjou. Hard to argue with that. Also hard not to see Machida as the uncrowned #1 contender in the UFC right now. Of course poster-boy Forrest Griffin is the one getting the title shot -- sometime late this year. I predict Machida will have to work twice as hard as another English speaking fighter would have to to get a title shot.
Dan Henderson's on everyone's list except 5oz, but with his imminent move to claim the 185lb belt, I think he's a waste of space on these lists. Still a top light heavy but will be soon absent from these charts. 5oz is making the right call by dropping Dan.
As I wrote yesterday everyone ranks just one non-UFC fighter in their top 10, but there is no agreement on who that is. The Matrix and MMA Weekly go with Arona, Irish Whip goes with Little Nog and 5oz goes wild and drops Vladdy Matyushenko in the mix. An intriguing choice. Vladdy's been on a tear in the IFL and has always been a top fighter at 205.
5oz also ranks the fast rising Chute Boxe star Thiago Silva at #10 and the Whip has Rashad Evans.
Like I said yesterday this is just total domination of this division by the UFC.
Update [2008-1-4 11:23:49 by Kid Nate]: Dammit, MMA on Tap just posted their top 10s. Main notable news is they DROPPED Vladdy from their top 10. Are barely letting Machida squeak in at #7, and have Arona and Rashad Evans in the top 10. They still see Shogun at #2 and have Liddell and Wanderlei at #3 and #4.
I really need a way to aggregate the best 15 or so pundit rankings plus the computer rankings from Fight Matrix and the fan rankings from MMA HQ. What all blogs and sites should I include on my list?
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Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
My Rankings at LHW
- Quinton Jackson - No need for explination here...pretty clear-cut.
- Lyoto Machida - Ended '07 with a win over a guy who was considered top 5 by most of the rankings I saw.
- Keith Jardine - I can't move Liddell above him considering it was fairly recent that Jardine just plain picked "The Iceman" apart. Loss to Alexander was bad, but you can make a case for a guy getting caught by a late replacement that he could get practically no tape on.
- Chuck Liddell - I feel a little guilty putting Chuck so high considering the resume approach should reveal 2 losses recently followed by a win over a non-top 10 fighter. But the two losses were to top 3 competition. So here he sits.
- Forrest Griffin - Beating Shogun was huge, big enough to make up for the loss to Jardine.
- Mauricio Rua - Looked really bad against Griffin. Griffin looked much bigger and was in much better shape.
- Sokoudjou - Two big wins in '07 followed by looking completely outclassed in his UFC debut. Does not have much of a resume beyond his '07 results. Hence sitting at #7.
- Thiago Silva - 12-0 and derailed the Houston Alexander train. Arona is 1-3 in his last 4 and was pretty inactive other than losing to Soko in his last fight and "Lil Nog" was also inactive and got blasted by Soko. So Silva gets a #8 vote from me.
- Vladimir Matyushenko - Vlady is a tough beat for anyone. Seems like he barely broke a sweat en-route to winning the IFL Light Heavyweight title.
- Rashad Evans - Undefeated but flawed. '08 is his chance to show where he belongs in the division.
-no Wanderlei. Again, the resume based ranking comes into play...3 straight losses and only 1 win since 2005
-no Arona. Has fought 2 times since '05. 1 win and 1 loss. Going back a little further and you have 2 losses (albeit against high level fighters) to end '05. He's on the cusp...but I'd need something recent.
-no "Lil Nog." Pretty much take a look at Arona...inactivity + losing his only fight in the last year = missing the top 10.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions
Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
Did they miss the Griffin RNC on Rua?
by MMA Fever on Jan 4, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 4, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
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Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
#2 C Liddell
#3 W Silva
#4 K Jardine
#5 F Griffin
#6 M Rua
#7 L Machida
#8 R Sokoudjou
#9 R Arona
#10 R Nogueira
#11 T Silva
#12 R Evans
#13 T Ortiz
#14 H Alexander
I think rankings should be fairly linear (Jardine beat Griffin so he ranks above him) but weighted in favor of more recent matches (Liddell lost to Jardine, but since then, he beat the #2 Silva).
Henderson is not listed because he is now a MW.
Wanderlei Silva is still #3 for me, because two of his losses are outside the division, and the third is to #2, Liddell. And those are 3 of the toughest opponents ever to fight. That's why you can lose to all three of them in a row and still be the #3 Light Heavyweight.
Arona and Nogueira present a dilemna because they haven't fought the UFC fighters. I keep them in place (for now) because their recent losses are to top 10 guys, and because I believe they are better than the likes of, say, Rashad Evans.
Machida is awesome but the only top 10 guy he's beaten is Sokoudjou, so he goes no higher than just above him. He must now fight someone higher ranked (I'm rooting for Liddell).
I'd like to see Jardine vs Thiago Silva for #1 contender.
Rua vs Evans makes sense. If Evans wins, the Rua myth is busted and Evans earns his place in the top 10. For Rua, it his opportunity to finally display his brutal style.
Silva vs Ortiz rematch would be huge. If Silva loses this one, he's out of my top 10.
Sokoudjou vs Alexander would be a blast.
Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
How would MMA rankings work with an ELO system?
ELO is used to rank chess players, and is a very good system for ranking anything when 1v1 matchups occur. MMA is just that.
I'm thinking about trying to program a web application to use an ELO system, computerized, and using ratings of the ELO system to see what kind of rankings would get cranked out.
Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
My chess rank never got much over 1300 so I'm not a master!
Re: Fun with Rankings: Light Heavyweight
I'm definitely going to look into an ELO system though.

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