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Fighting From a Grounded Position (Or Butt Scooting in Pride?)

This is an examination (but really me trying to pick everyone's brains) of the effectiveness of staying on the ground while your opponent is standing. Or, as some people like to call it, butt scooting. Ben Thapa just posted an editorial supporting the idea of giving Weidman to Jones in the wake of Hendo's injury, and included in the post was a video of Weidman at the ADCCs. At one part, he stands back from Galvao, and the commentators say something along the lines of "Galvao says we came here to fight, so come fight" while Galvao is sitting on the ground. It struck me, just because sitting passively on the ground is the opposite of "coming to fight" in my mind. I realize it's a BJJ tournament, but it's hardly an offensive strategy. However, I realize there are times when it makes sense, and I was hoping to get some opinions on that from you guys with more experience and knowledge in these matters. I'll try to go through some different scenarios after the jump.



First off, I guess my purpose here is to determine whether it is an effective strategy for a "real fight". We've seen it a few times in MMA, most infamously by Flopricio Werdum against Overeem. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Werdum's a cock guy or anything, but it made for a pretty boring fight. Some people blame Overeem for being "afraid of Werdum's ground game", and obviously he didn't want to let the fight take place there, but sitting on the ground is not the best way to make your opponent grapple with you, at least in a sport where the ref will stand it up. On the other hand, some people like Aoki seem to make it work, at least sometimes. He's the only one I've seen do it as a grappling threat, but I'm open to any other suggestions.

Another example of fighting from the ground that comes to my mind is Ben Henderson's brutal up-kick against Edgar in their first fight. It changed the momentum of the fight and wrecked Frankie's face. Obviously it didn't hurt that Henderson's legs seem about as tall as Frankie's entire body, but it was an effective technique. There's also the Silva-Okami up-kick, but I guess I'm trying to focus on fighting a standing opponent from the ground, so I'll disregard that one for now.

Finally, we'll get to the good part (PRIDE!) My biggest issue with people laying on the ground while their opponent standing is that it looks to me like they'd just get stomped on. I don't really have any data to draw on, though, so I was wondering if anyone who's better up on their Pride fights has anything relevant there? Did people try butt-scooting in Pride, or would they just get Wandy-stomped if they did? Do you think it would work in general, in a "real fight"? I'd heard that if you're on the ground, it's best to just fight from there until your opponent gives you enough room to stand up, but if the alternative is getting booted in the head or gut or nads, I would think trying to hop up would be better.

I'm sorry if this dragged on, but if you stuck with it, thanks for reading and I hope it at least creates some debate in the comments. Theoretical scenarios like this are interesting to me, and I think at least a few people on BE. That's part of what makes MMA so interesting is to see how different techniques work against or cancel each other out. Hopefully, someone with more knowledge can share it and help me out here.

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