Difference Between TRT & THC
by BeefSupreme on Feb 9, 2012 8:45 PM EST
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Amidst the stupid comments that resembled a stupidity glass overflowing with stupid, there was an interesting comment made in the article about Nick Diaz failing his drug test. If fighters can get medically cleared, they are allowed TRT but under no circumstances shall a fighter take THC in any form, recreational use or medically prescribed. So why the difference? Why should a fighter be allowed to be involved in "therapy" that would absolutely give a competitive advantage to the user but wouldn't be allowed to use a prescribed medicine that is used for treating things, such in this case, anxiety. Why? LOOP HOLES!!! From a legal point of view marijuana would be a banned substance for an athlete since it is only decriminalized and is an acceptable form of medicine in a few states and is still illegal from a federal point of view. Not to mention that the state in which this foul committed is known for being absurdly strict when it comes to marijuana laws. I'm not condoning the rules, just explaining how these two rules can coexist.
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Keith Kizer said fighters can request medical exemptions for marijuana in NV according to Cory Braiterman in the other thread
"Athletes can request a therapeutic use exemption but no one asked for one for UFC 143."
Diaz basically ruined the next year (at least) of his career because he doesnt know the rules, even the ones that could benefit him.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 9, 2012 9:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This post is where the conversation stops.
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not really
Kizer didn’t say that they would give a TUE for weed, he didn’t even mention weed at all in that quote. Ricardo misinterpreted Kizer’s quote.
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Im not misinterpreting anything
Kizer said Diaz could have filed for a TUE for weed but no one even bothered to even try that route, which for a guy who is known for smoking is stupid not to do, even if it’s rejected.
I never said that Kizer said he could have applied for it and got it without problem.
Again, from Cory:
I asked Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, about athletes who use marijuana for medical reasons. I asked how this factors in with testing and/or punishment. This was his reply…
Athletes can request a therapeutic use exemption but no one asked for one for UFC 143.
Kizer didnt say that the TUE doesnt apply to weed. While Kizer didnt mention weed explicitly, he responds to a direct question about weed. Had weed not applied to TUE he could have flat out said ‘we dont give TUE for weed’
My point still stands. his management didnt even bother to try, which in the end could have saved Diaz’s ass if the did issue a TUE.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 9, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, that's not what Kizer said.
Kizer just said that people can request a TUE but no TUE requests were requested for UFC 143. He didn’t say that they would grant one for weed.
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that doesn’t mean everyone should jump on their jump to conclusions mat to the fact that they wouldn’t give one for weed. If he applied and was denied, then you can start bringing up the comparisons to TRT, but he didn’t even try, so we won’t know.
Weed is illegal in Nevada
I doubt they would grant a TUE even if he did have a valid reason.
by discoandherpes on Feb 10, 2012 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
You're the only one to rec him because it's a dumb point
If you get a TRT TUE, you still have to check in below the regular limit of T/E ratio for the tests.
From Wiki:
Commission Chairman Dr. Tony Alamo said that while a result of 15 is considered positive, the NSAC has a threshold of 50 for athletes.So you can go over three times the level that is considered positive and still not fail the test. Even 10ng/ml has been shown to increase crash risk when driving, yet fighters are allowed 5 times as much. To put that into perspective, a BAC of 0.04% is where crash rates start to go up, so 5x that would be 0.2%, which is positively hammered.
So why do agree with BeefSupreme’s strawman that " under no circumstances shall a fighter take THC in any form"? There’s no disconnect here. If anything, Nevada is far more lax about weed than it is about TRT.
by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
So marijuana helps Diaz with his anxiety.
It makes him calm and less nervous. So he smokes a bowl an hour before his big fight to get the nerves out. How about Condit? What does he get to do to calm his nerves before the biggest fight in his life?
Whatever way you look at it weed is illegal and if it was allowed people would take advantage of it. You would have guys literally smoking up before fights.
Has there been any word on when Nick smokes? Using weed to relax or help fall asleep isn’t the same as sparking a bowl right before a fight. I don’t know if Nick has ever mentioned it in an interview or not.
I just find it hard to believe that he’s blazing right before a big fight. If he is fighting while intoxicated, then that’s definitely cheating. Using it to unwind in the evening should have the same legal consequences as having some beer in the evening.
“cheating”? I don’t think he should smoke right before the fight (against the commish rules, whatever) but I, personally, would rather fight someone who’s blazed than someone who isn’t. Maybe I’m wrong, Idk, just feel like it might negatively affect your reflexes/ability to fight.
I'd rather be trollin'.
no you wouldn't see people literally smoking up before fights
it would affect their performances negatively.
Sorry, but I think it’s really stupid to even suggest that.
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Feb 10, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
'Difference Between TRT & THC'
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by taptomyarmbar on Feb 10, 2012 5:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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