5 Reasons I Hate the UFC
UFC 143 was the final straw in a barrage of UFC straws that overloaded my overworked camel and finally broke its back. I don't have the words to describe just how disappointed I am at the events that transpired at that event. Yeah, it's easy when looking to the surface to choose a side and throw the blame around, but on the atomic level this has been a long time coming and though I am shocked and disappointed, I am not one bit angry at Nick Diaz. If you don't know who I'm talking about, Google him you dumb bitch.
The UFC's president, Dana White, has made some questionable decisions in his career, none more tumultuous than the ones that he has made over the past 4 years, none more idiotic and damaging to the UFC brand, none more damaging to its loyal fan base. Dana White has proven to be effective at whatever it is that his job is, but also equally ineffective because, simply put, he is a good business man and he is a baaaaaad business man. I can't explain it. It's a mind-boggling paradox that makes me respect him and want to slap him in the mouth at the same time. Over the past few years the UFC has gone mainstream, from having popular fighters appear on network television shows, to having them appear in movies, to switching from a middling cable network to one of the biggest television networks in the world. They have absorbed the 2 biggest MMA organizations outside of the UFC. They have provided more events for the fans to watch, and lowered ticket prices for their Pay Per View spectaculars. Sounds good right? Wrong! Because of these decisions, they have also monopolized an entire sport and turned any plausible MMA prospects into timid manufactured clones of athletes that seek to win instead of fight. So what that means essentially is that there are tons of new fights and new fighters under the UFC banner, but they all pretty much suck.
And this is what leads me to my list. Here are the top 5 reasons I now hate the UFC:
5. Quinton Jackson vs Forrest Griffin II
This is where the downward spiral of the UFC began for me. UFC 86 was where Forrest Griffin earned the Light Heavyweight Title. Looking back on it, it was a very close fight which had fans and analysts split straight down the middle as to who actually won, leading to what would seem to be the most logical conclusion: a rubber match. But wait, there was no Jackson vs Griffin II was there? Nope. The UFC brass decided that instead of giving the fans what they wanted, nèe, needed, they would try to milk this cash cow for all that it was worth. Instead of the rubber match, Rampage Jackson was banished to the middle of the light heavyweight pack to "work his way back up" to another title shot, a ludicrous idea that was soon scrapped after Forrest Griffin lost the belt to Rashad Evans. Instead, Jackson was given a "prove it" match with Keith Jardine for a title shot, which he won. Soon after that Rashad Evans fought a relatively known piss-drinking entity by the name of Lyoto Machida and lost the belt to him (are you still following me here). Rampage ditched his disdain for Rashad Evans and requested his title fight yet again, but no no no, it gets even better children. Dana White told him that instead of fighting Machida, he would appear as a coach for the second time on The Ultimate Fighter alongside Rashad Evans, and he would definitely get the title shot, no questions asked, after he fulfilled that commitment. After the filming for the show completed, Dana White changed his tune yet again and told Quinton that in order to get the same title shot that was guaranteed to him twice already under two entirely different circumstances, he would have to now have to face Rashad Evans for yet another number one contender's match. Such a convoluted situation solved ever so simply by Rampage when he said "Fuck this shit," and left the UFC to be a movie star. How you like dem apples?
This was not the first time that something like this had happened--Dana trying to get as much mileage out of a "storyline" as possible I mean. He brought the drama a couple of years earlier with BJ Penn and some years before that with Tito Ortiz. You see, before the acquisition of Pride and Strikeforce Dana had a history of fucking up when it came to maintaining fighter loyalty. He treated them like commodities, as if their time, money, and emotional investment was a construct that can be easily controlled and played at will. And every time those popular and marketable fighters gave a big F U to the boss, the entire state of the company was left in disrepair. That's what Nick Diaz did at UFC 143. He said "I'm outta this shit" and he was right to do so. He had the weight of the Welterweight division on his shoulders when the UFC acquired him from Strikeforce to fight Geroges St-Pierre. Nick was to play the "villain" and like it, he was to stir the shit on purpose, he was to drum up as much interest as possible in that fight to sell sell sell because Georges St-Pierre is a carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of fucking boring. Diaz caved under the pressure and was not only sent to the back-burner but then was clusterfucked out of a win in that fight. Why should he have to put up with that sort of treatment anymore? It's called, "If you don't like your job, quit" so he did. Someone should also inform Dana White that if he could control his hissy fits and avoid hastily reacting to unexpected situations in the future, he wouldn't have to worry about fucking up the only fight cards I actually want to see.
4. Greg Jackson's MMA
Good gym, good coaches, good strategies, absolutely terrible for the sport of MMA. Jackson' s MMA has systematically castrated every exciting prospective fighter since Diego Sanchez by implementing the "point system." You see, someone over in Albuquerque figured out that in order to win a fight in the UFC, one does not necessarily have to fight. All one has to do is avoid being submitted or knocked out while not losing more points than his opponent in a given match. Meaning, dry-hump their way to victory. Yep, it's that simple! Thanks Jackson's MMA, you've somehow made the latent homoeroticism of Mixed Martial Arts more gay than it already was, and not in the fun way.
3. Affliction, Pride, WEC, Strikeforce, K1, Bellator
You killed them. You killed them all. And since they're all dead, every fighter under the UFC roster has to make sure they keep their fucking job because they have nowhere else to go. Know what that means? Playing it safe. Yup, boring main events, hell boring entire cards simply because the fighters are afraid that if they go balls out, they will either lose and be out of a job or get injured, thus having to spend time they don't have recuperating which will in turn cut off their cash flow. Or, they can use an even worse, unrefined version of the Greg Jackson but-humping strategy to avoid injury all together, not risk losing and getting cut, but also not gain any fans and sponsors. Pick your poison, tiger *rarrww* And since the UFC now monopolizes all of Mixed Martial Arts, there are so many fighters on the roster and so many cards to watch that they don't have the same impact as they used to. There is only one category for fighters to be put into and it is by weight, there are no more speculations as to how a champion from one organisation would fare against a champion from another, and there is no identifying with anyone besides the top-tier fighters and the up-and-comers who challenge them. 70% of the faces I see in the UFC I don't recognize because, let's be honest here, I couldn't care less. Where's the intamacy? Where's that feeling of niche-condescension I used to have when I would do my Matt Serra impression and no one within 3 city blocks knew who the fuck I was talking about? What happened to my UFC?
2. Pool's Closed: The Golden Days Are Over
Jens Pulver, BJ Penn, Matt Hughes, Matt Serra, Karo Parisyan, Evan Tanner, Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Brock Lesnar, ROYCE FUCKING GRACIE. These are some names you need to know if you don't already. All these men put on some of the most kick-ass fights in the history of the UFC. They polarized the crowds and turned casual observers into die-hard fans. I was lucky enough to be around for those crazy moments as well as the introduction to the new era of champions like Frankie Edgar, Georges St-Pierre, Anderson Silva, and Jon Jones, but lo and behold there is a catch. There is virtually no competition for these new champions, they're always getting injured, and when they finally do fight you'll most likely be rooting for the undercard rather than the main event. There are some snore-fests, some novelty fights, some lopsided disembowelments, and plenty of re-matches, but for some reason their performances never stick to you for very long. They have bland personalities. They're not remarkable or memorable in their interviews. They don't make you laugh or excite you, and they don't make you anticipate their next fight. In conjunction with that, the most talented of all the champions, Jon Jones, has the worst attitude I have seen in sports since Terrell Owens. Fortunately for everyone karma came back in full force and Terrell Owens is now broke. Here's to praying for a life-altering injury or an indictment on tax evasion charges for Jon Jones because if anyone deserves to have his life ruined, it's definitely him. And lastly I mean really, who can touch any of these champs? Who? They're in a league all their own and they will continue to be for some time, so what is there to look forward to? I honestly think the sport will die down by the time anyone else interesting comes along, but by then I will have been completely lost as a fan because I just don't have the patience to wait around for sparks anymore. Sorry UFC, but this holy union is officially over.
1. Georges St-Pierre
He is beautiful. His face is beautiful, his eyes are a deep blue, he talks with a cute little quirky accent, and he has the body of a G.I. Joe action figure. He's nice. I accosted him in Las Vegas and completely lost my shit but he reached his hand out and greeted me, waited as I fumbled around in my bag for my camera, and kindly took a picture with me while I made a fool of myself in his captivating presence. I really really really want to like him but unfortunately for Georges St-Pierre, he makes an appearance in all 5 out of 5 of the reasons I now hate the UFC.
Nick Diaz did skip that one press conference but had Georges asked for the fight despite that, Dana would have given it to him, because Dana gives Georges everything he wants. People tend to overlook that by skipping said press conference, Nick Diaz drummed up more hype and publicity than St-Pierre ever could have with his boring, pre-packaged brand of promotion. Diaz had a point when he said that the only way he got a title shot was by playing the villian, and he was right. Why didn't Georges ask for that fight sooner? I have no idea. It's a stretch for some, I know, but there was something in the way that Nick Diaz said it that made me feel for him because he will never have the power to ask for such a thing and get it when he wants to, on his home turf, and who are we kidding here; he's the only legitimate competition Georges has at this point. And please allow my ignorance to show when I ask who in the hell is Carlos Condit??? I digress.
Georges trains with Jackson's MMA and is the poster boy for implementation of the dry-buttsecks-humping-lay-and-pray style of "fighting," or shall I say, "out-pointing," that has become synonymous with said camp. He used to be vicious. He used to be a little cocky. He used to have a gleam in his eye and want to punish his opponents. Now he's just a "nice guy" who tries to "finish" every fight he is in because all of his opponents are his "most tough opponent yet." Yeah ok Georges. Nobody can touch you at this point so either stop pulling that same pre-rendered nice guy bullshit or shut the hell up completely and win your fights how you will no explanation necessary. I can't take it anymore.
He's not going anywhere because he is a UFC fixture. I'm pretty sure his little foray into Olympic Wrestling was his way of trying to escape the pressures of being a champion, but damned if he loses that title due to a risky maneuver or because he didn't keep his opponent in the "power bottom" position, because that would be bad. For him. Much needed for us though. Seriously, if he's not going to the Olympics that means he has to stick it out for another 3-4 years before he retires. It's like a loveless marriage: I fell out of love with him because he fell out of love with fighting a long time ago. There's a certain sadness in all of this, to see such a bright star fade, not due to injury or unpopularity, but simply because his spirit has been sucked dry. He's a former shell of himself but as much as I want to root for him, I still want to root against his bland ass. I don't know, figure something out Frenchie and do it quick because your fans aren't going to be there forever.....scratch that, some of them will. Those fans are what we from now on will refer to as "remedial."
And that just about does it, folks. Yup. I mean, all good things must come to an end and this is the beginning of said end for me. I don't know what the future holds so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and my waning fanaticism with the UFC will go out with a bang. Maybe I'll be content with my severance of support for the UFC at some point; maybe not. Here's to UFC 144. Don't fail me now, Shields! (It literally hurt my soul type that)
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3 Reasons I Loved This Fanpost
1. Well written
2. It was hilarious.
3. It was entertaining.
Please write more of these, thank you.
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by Yxas on Feb 9, 2012 6:57 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
To bad those get overshadowed for another reason
4. Too much bullshit
Who the fuck has Greg Jackson made boring? Rashad Evans? He’s always been a wrestler, and Jackson made a largely standup gameplan for him against Machida. Rashad gets KTFO’d, blames Jackson for not having enough wrestling in the game plan, and proceeds to be wrestling-only against Thiago (and Rampage, sort of).
Right after these fuckwit accusations emerged about Jackson’s MMA, his gym had a string of FOTN bonuses. There are tons of very active fighters from his gym.
And GSP? Look at how exciting Diaz – largely seen as the most exciting WW – was able to make UFC 143 against Condit. Condit wasn’t half as defensive as Koscheck after one round, Shields all fight long, or Hardy. None of those guys were trying to win, yet GSP got closer to finishing and/or did way more damage than Diaz did to Condit. How is GSP the “poster boy for implementation of the dry-buttsecks-humping-lay-and-pray style of fighting” when at most you could make a case for him doing it once (UFC 74) in his 24 fight career?
GSP is a fucking godsend for excitement against these defensive opponents. Not one
WW – not Diaz, Condit, Penn, or any other top 10 WW – could produce more offense against 7 of his last 8 opponents (Hardy being the anomaly). Just look down the list and think about all the “exciting” WW title matchups you’d see without GSP – Fitch-Alves, Fitch-Shields, Koscheck-Daley, Koscheck-Pierce/Story/(insert wrestler here), etc.
by paythefighters on Feb 9, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
mostly agree
but when your defense of GSP comes around to pointing out how Jackson’s fighter Condit was able to make the exciting Diaz unexciting, the overall defense of Jackson’s MMA as ‘not boring’ doesn’t really gain much.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Why? Because of one fight from one fighter?
by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, it's one fight, but it's a fight cited in an argument that Jackson fighters aren't boring.
If you can’t see the irony, I’m not sure how else to explain it.
Imagine this conversation:
Jackson’s fighters are boring.
Like who?
Like GSP.
GSP’s not boring, his defensive opponents make him look boring.
Name me one other fighter that looked boring because of his opponent.
Diaz against Condit.
Where does Condit train?
Jackson’s.
See, toldja Jackson’s fighters are boring!
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Of course I can see how a simpleton would see it as irony. I was pointing out the stupidity of using anecdotal, isolated evidence to make sweeping generalizations.
Silva had boring rounds against Maia and Leites (and Maia was mind-blowingly walking Silva down). Who in their right mind would call him a boring fighter? Or, following your logic, say that Blackhouse fighters are boring?
by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I've said this before
But Donald Cerrone and Leonard Garcia train with Jackson. People seem to be pretty selective in what they notice.
I mean, personally I find it pretty boring to watch leonard garcia frantically swatting at imaginary flies for 15 minutes. Maybe you like it.
I'm not a fan either
I’m just saying that Jackson’s camp isn’t full of fighters who stick to game plans.
but true Cerrone is far from boring and his wasnt a boring fight at all
The thing is, that Nick could have made this fight differently. But he didnt . Period.
Silva made the Maia and Leites fights as they say out of pure fun .. i can imagine that of him :D
Generalising is dangeorous, not all opponents make another fighter boring and not every fighter from Jackson’s is boring. Look at TUF 14 finalists.. who would call them boring fighters?
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I always thought Condit and Cerrone were the two guys who would go to war every fight, regardless of whether or not Jackson instructed them otherwise.
Does Jackson actually corner Garcia in his bouts? That would be hilarious
He does.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 10, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention Jones, Stann, Sanchez, Guida, Condit (he fought 32 other times), along with – if you include the closely affiliated Grudge – Carwin, Schaub, Marquardt…
by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Kid Nate shares the sentiment that Jackson fighters are starting to become point fighters as he said, " I can’t stand the hit and run, run up the score style of fighting that Jackson seems to be encouraging his fighters to adopt." (from http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/10/2789500/improving-scoring-judging-unified-rules-suggestions-round-table-sta#add-comment).
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by chrisbboy82 on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Good post and good rant.
I however disagree with most of what you are saying. I am sure it felt good to get that out huh?
So serious question, are you going to keep watching because it is just so awesome that you can’t turn your back or are you seriously going to call it quits?
I actually do agree with the GSP part of it. :0)
I am so torn
I’m not completely sure yet. Over the past 4 years I have consistently been watching less and less fight cards. I don’t have cable and I don’t stream illegally so I go out to bars and pay to get in. Every time I have done that, literally every single time, I have come home disappointed, so I stopped doing it. And then I stopped reading the live blogs. And then I stopped watching the pre-fight conferences and the post-fight conferences and Primetime etc. I have my reasons but despite that I know that the UFC has the capability to do a whole lot better; I just don’t have the faith anymore to expect nor the patience anymore to wait for it.
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by Body Triangle on Feb 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
inconceivable
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by nannerb on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
neither does the term nèe.
not sure how
carbon copy of a carbon copy of fucking boringis supposed to make any sense.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 9, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
are you old enough to know what a carbon copy is?
It makes plenty of sense…
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
There are no words
To describe how terribly misguided and wrong this inane crap is.
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by Worldisart on Feb 9, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions 37 recs
Yes, it would take longer than the fanpost to break it all down.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 9, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's almost beautiful in its inane rambling-ness.
It’s like watching a speed junkie try to explain the laws of motion.
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by Noahwob on Feb 9, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
I am not one bit angry at Nick Diaz. If you don’t know who I’m talking about, Google him you dumb bitch.
i love this line
Anderson Silva…They have bland personalities. They’re not remarkable or memorable in their interviews.
Dude, no
Anderson is silly and funny
I’d say JBJ doesn’t have a bland personality, he just fakes one
Agreed on the shitty attitude though
Great post
by Cunny on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
There were more great fights in the UFC last year than I can ever remember
probably as many as when Pride was around too, and we didn;t have any freakshows involved. The UFC is great
This is one of the dumbest fanposts or greatest pieces of satire I've ever read
Rec this to the front page.
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by SSreporters on Feb 9, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions 20 recs
depending on where that was aimed I would say there was a lot of potential for a santorum surge
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by Rob Young on Feb 9, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So.... this is your final fanpost?
Thanks for the memories.
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Bellator isn’t dead yet. And Zuffa turned the WEC into the action packed organization that it was; before Zuffa, the WEC was a run of the mill feeder org.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 9, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That's what I was thinking exactly.
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5. Rampage-Griffin II did not happen because Energy Drink Jesus intervened and made Rampage unavailable.
4. Leonard Garcia, Donald Cerone, and a guy named Jon Jones are all associated with this “boring” camp.
3. Rampage-Griffin only happened because of the UFC buying up failing or failed promotions.
2. Tim Sylvia “put on some of the most kick-ass fights in the history of the UFC”? And Edgar’s last two fights have not been competitive? Really? I mean… REALLY?
1. GSP is a beautiful man. Watching him is a bit like watching a defensive football team… not always thrilling but you have to respect it.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Feb 9, 2012 3:11 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
1. GSP is a beautiful man. Watching him is a bit like watching a defensive football team… not always thrilling but you have to respect it.
I’ll never understand the “defensive football isn’t fan friendly”. Sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions are my favorite parts of football. The defense is what makes the game exciting to me. And I’m just a casual football fan.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Depends on the brand of defensive football
High-energy, turnover-inducing defensive football is a ton of fun (early 2000s Ravens, e.g.); bend-but-don’t break, not so much, IMO.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Those Baltimore teams were vicious! Watching their defense was vastly more exciting than watching Dilfer hand off the ball 3 times for a 3-and-out.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
why the fuck.....
did i read this shit
Sheeeeeeeee-it
by Clay Davis on Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hey, at least you'
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by halitosis on Feb 9, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 12 recs
Hey, at least you're honest about it.
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Like Stanlee, I’ll go point-by-point:
5. Rampage-Griffin II? I recall no rumors of this. I thought Rampage’s meltdown had more to do with him not getting a title shot, but I’m not Joe Silva. What are your sources? Or is NERDFANRAGE all you need? Of all the other fighters you mentioned Dana mistreating, Tito is the only one that has really had a point. Tito championed better fighter pay, better share of the PPV, etcetera. We know Tito never went anywhere else, but really, did ANYONE go outside of the UFC and prove Dana wrong? When Tito, Pulver, Penn, et al had their fits, there were other places to go…yet, we don’t hear of what they did outside of UFC. Dan Henderson is the only fighter I can recall doing that.
4. Greg Jackson’s fighters have claimed more KOTN, FOTN and SOTN than any other camp. How do you earn fight bonuses like that if you’re just laying on top?
3. I don’t know what TV distribution you have, but until UFC hit Spike, I had to rent tapes to see these fights. Pride was on late, late at night on some obscure network I don’t even remember. Prior to Spike, where was everyone getting their MMA fix on broadcast television? So I don’t see how buying up those other promotions, that were financially failing and did not have broadcast deals, hurt “your” MMA.
2. The sport has evolved. Get over it. The days of Tank Abbott and Kimbo Slice being credible are over, and may they rest forever in peace.
1. Losing his belt because he got caught is what changed GSP’s fighting, and he’s admitted that. Your first paragraph lists all the reasons why we NEED guys like him representing MMA. Ask Machida how well things work for you when you try to “stand and bang” to deliver more impressive fights.
by RobtWeaver on Feb 9, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
On point three:
Affliction had “douche chills” written all over it, though I do wish it survived if only to be a magnet to the tapout-wearing d-bags who gravitate towards anything Ed Hardy-esque.
Bellator is still alive and is about to hit 70 events. On top of that, they’ve got a good amount of prospects and you’re guaranteed to get at least one good scrap each event.
K-1 screwed itself over something fierce. And I am a kickboxing fan. You can’t mismanage yourself like the K-1 administrators did and expect to keep afloat.
Strikeforce mismanaged itself into oblivion, unfortunately.
WEC was good.
The Yakuza and mismanagement killed PRIDE.
And the rest of it:

by les rallizes denudes on Feb 9, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions
I rather liked the first point
The rest strikes me as:

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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 9, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Proof that...
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by fork'nspoon on Feb 9, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I like the post
Agree with some of it, disagree with more of it. The UFC is experiencing growing pains right now, hopefully they make it.
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The UFC is experiencing growing pains right now, hopefully they make it.
That’s pretty much it.
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by halitosis on Feb 9, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's a mighty block of text you have there
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i love the throwback comments to the "mythical golden age"
when fights were more exciting than they are today, due to GSP and Greg Jackson
because shamrock v. gracie at UFC 5 was so RIVETING.
because tito ortiz was such an EXCITING champion (especially against matyushenko!)
because tim sylvia was POETRY IN MOTION.
as for the other promotions? none of them were any better than the UFC is now. i understand there’s a lot of PRIDE nostalgia, and yes, in 2005 it had (for the most part) better fighters than the UFC. but come on. let’s try to remember things as they actually were. was Fedor v. Big Nog or Cro Cop really that “entertaining?” Fedor sat in their guards and beat them up without finishing.
if GSP’s next fight is like fedor/cro cop, everyone on this board will accuse him of killing the sport. but before you do that, you should take five minutes to think of what the sport actually used to be like, instead of just how you remember it.
i still love Pride more then the average fan, and i wholeheartedly admit that era had some abominable fucking snoozefests. the sport had some great moments, and we see loads of brilliance today based on the accomplishments and growth of events from the past. that does not mean in any way that any of the bullshit this dude posted is even remotely true.
you know it’s bad when you can’t even tell if a dude is trolling or not
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 9, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite part?
In person GSP treats him like a Boss, then poster mocks him and his “pre-rendered nice guy bullshit” and wants him to shut the hell up.
You could have told him that in person, instead of trembling like a Bieber fan and misting for a photo-op…
by Dootch on Feb 9, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
I never said I don't like GSP
I said he’s boring. If I didn’t like him I would have reason to antagonize him in person, but even then he could kick my ass so why would I do such a thing?
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"I really really really want to like him but unfortunately for Georges St-Pierre, he makes an appearance in all 5 out of 5 of the reasons I now hate the UFC"
I call bullshit. The above quote pretty much says you don’t like him only you don’t spell it out.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Pretty much, yet doesn't
Me not liking certain aspects about him, however many aspects that may be, does not automatically mean I don’t like him at all. I have every one of his fights on DVD yet the mere thought of a GSP fight nowadays brings me to fits of bored-rage when it used to be the exact opposite. It’s like one of those “I’m not mad just disappointed” deals; that’s the best way I can put it right now.
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Should have offered his wife.
Or $20 shots of sky.
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by gzl5000 on Feb 9, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
HAAAAA THIS!!!!
you got the point here :D maybe he was trying to say that he was just TOO nice and thats why he dislikes him :D
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I know you were just trying to be funny...
But some of this shit is a little over-board. Like hoping for a life-altering injury to Bones. There’s a line between poking fun and being flat-out offensive, and you did a front flip over that mother fucker.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Matt Hammil on TUF
He had kind of a ‘tude, was whooping everyone in practice, had a little special attention, then he got kicked in the head by Kendall Grove. That’s all it took for him to stop acting like a douche but for Jones I suspect it won’t be that easy. That’s all I meant by it.
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good point about Hammil
That certainly seemed how it played out.
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Interestingly....
…the issues you outlined is what happens when a sport goes mainstream. Expect it to get worse.
Wow this is ridiculous
They don’t make you laugh or excite you, and they don’t make you anticipate their next fight. In conjunction with that, the most talented of all the champions, Jon Jones, has the worst attitude I have seen in sports since Terrell Owens. Fortunately for everyone karma came back in full force and Terrell Owens is now broke. Here’s to praying for a life-altering injury or an indictment on tax evasion charges for Jon Jones because if anyone deserves to have his life ruined, it’s definitely him.
1. As someone who enjoys MMA for the actual fighting I don’t see how anyone who loves MMA cannot anticipate Jon Jones’ next fight. The same thing goes with rest of the other Champions for me personally. The only major MMA champions that I don’t care to see fight are Askren and Cole Konrad. I don’t usually pull this card but, if interviews and promos is what gets you up for a fight then perhaps pro wrestling is more up your alley.
2. How does Jon Jones have a terrible attitude? In every fan encounter with Jon Jones I’ve heard nothing but good things. He fought 4 times last year and even took two fights on short notice(one while he was on champion) to help the UFC out. He then said he wanted to take a break, but came back early from that and wants to fight at least 3 times this year. This included fighting a top 10 heavyweight since lots of fans want to see him against a HW. He also trains hard and doesn’t underestimate his opponents.
Jon Jones doesn’t have the worst attitude in sports, MMA, or hell even in his own camp. Albert Haynesworth, Carmelo Anthony, Nick Diaz, Rampage Jackson, Brock Lesnar and others fit into the a-hole athlete stereotype than Jon Jones. A guy who works hard, puts on a show when he fights, is respectful to people, and even stopped a ****ing robbery cannot be on that list.
3. Wishing a life alter injury or prison time for someone who hasn’t done anything to you is juvenile and reprehensible. Even being happy about TO being broke isn’t cool. It’s not like the guy was going around killing people, robbing stores, or other things. You come across as one of those dopes who take sports WAY too seriously and end up leading crap like what happened in Egypt. I’m guessing you’re one of those people that had no problem with those idiots beating a father of two into a coma because he was wearing Giants gear. That must seemed completely fair to you. After all you do wish injury and prison time on a guy because you don’t like the way he comes across in interviews.
by HaterSlayer on Feb 9, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You slayed this hater.
Job well done.
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I've explained a lot of this in my follow-up replies
With that said:
1. I don’t love MMA, but I do like it sometimes. Not as much as I used to though. Jon Jones demolishes his opponents and I watch every one of his fights. I pay no attention to promos because they’re usually all hype and lies, but interviews tell a whole other tale. And no, just because I feel that I should be excited by something I am interested in doesn’t mean I should watch the WWE.
2. Jon Jones, in interviews, irks me. His arrogance is well-deserved as he is a phenomenal fighter and has accomplished tons, and I would be able to tolerate that if he didn’t treat his opponents like they were less than him. He is very very sneaky and I don’t like sneaky people. Reference: the thumb “injury,” showing private texts from Rashad Evans to reporters in attempts to get sympathy (I don’t particularly care for Rashad Evans but seriously?), and referring to Evans on UFC on FOX 2 as “just another chapter in my life.” Maybe if you’re not looking for it you won’t notice, but I didn’t start noticing such things on purpose; they started leaping out at me.
“I worked hard for my belt so I’m not signing a replica.” Yeah, no.
The difference between him and Brock Lesnar, Rampage Jackson, and Nick Diaz is that the latter don’t pander to their fans in one manner and then do the exact opposite under that same guise. What you see is what you get, and I respect that.
3. I’m not happy TO is broke, I’m happy to see that he seems to have changed for the better as a result of being broke. I referenced Matt Hammil on TUF earlier as to what I meant by that comment, but I suspect a swift kick to the head isn’t going to be enough to open Jones’ eyes.
I took MMA seriously until it started fucking with my emotions, then I stopped. This was a rant immediately following UFC 143 after a slew of disappointments that have been building up in the welterweight division, my favorite division next to Light Heavyweight, for me. And for the love of God just because I want Jon Jones to learn a valuable life lesson about humility and “realness” does not mean I want people to get seriously injured outside of a cage where there are no rules and regulations, no doctors and no referees. Why would you even jump to that conclusion? That’s awful.
As I’ve said before, that comment wa
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
just because I want Jon Jones to learn a valuable life lesson about humility and "realness" does not mean I want people to get seriously injured outside of a cage where there are no rules and regulations, no doctors and no referees. Why would you even jump to that conclusion?
Here’s to praying for a life-altering injury or an indictment on tax evasion charges for Jon Jones because if anyone deserves to have his life ruined, it’s definitely him.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
If I had put "praying" and "ruined" in quotes
would it have made more sense?
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only in the sense
that we would be fairly sure that you wouldn’t kneecap him if you were in his presence.
(though your GSP anecdonte suggests that you’d give him a hug.)
either way, it’d still be some thin muslin.
it’s still a betrayal of a lot of deep, hurt feelings and misplaced venom that’s worth of some…exploration.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
sorry for the typos
i really wish BE had an edit grace period of a minute or so.
or that i proofread before hitting ‘POST’…
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
Except for the fact
that that encounter happened 2 years ago right after the filming of TUF and I was excited to see GSP vs Koscheck. Had I met Jon Jones 2 years ago I would have been just as excited to see him, but if I met him now and got the chance to talk to him one on one I would most definitely call him out on his shenanigans, albeit in a more respectful way.
If you didn’t get what I meant by “praying” and “ruining” it stems back from a confrontation him and Rashad Evans had in a nightclub. The whole situation was ridiculous and made them both look like two big babies. You can look it up if you want; I don’t feel like it.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 9, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the thing is
thurmonito is onto something, and it’s something that i think we’re going to encounter more and more in the next few years: the greatly delayed yet still slow realization by many that MMA has taken significant shape and hold in the U.S. not as a game of recreation or leisure, but full on as a business.
While many of us had formative, polarizing experiences in MMA which lead us to believe that today’s contests are thin shadows of what once was, I think that we’re just seeing a higher octane version of what the sport always hoped to be (if not what we wished it would be).
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
by oxala75 on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And his next fanpost
Five ways I can tell people only read the title of my fanposts
Haha best part is the pantheon of glorious fighters from the glory days
that includes Tim Sylvia, Matt Serra, and Brock Lesnar. GTFO with that bullshit.
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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions
and “boring” GSP TKO’d three of the glorious exciting WW’s on that list and soundly beat up the fourth.
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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you may have missed this part:
All these men put on some of the most kick-ass fights in the history of the UFC. They polarized the crowds and turned casual observers into die-hard fans.
Just because you disagree doesn’t make it any less true. Tim Sylvia getting his arm broken in the cage was epic, Matt Serra being the first person to upset GSP was epic, Matt Hughes being a 5-time defending champion was epic, and Brock Lesnar beating the ever-living shit out of Frank Mir to defend his championship amid harsh criticisms not taking him seriously as an MMA fighter due to his pro-wrestling background, was fucking epic. Period. GSP defeating Karo Parisyan, one of the most highly-regarded technical fighters in the UFC at the time, in his UFC debut was pretty darn impressive as well. Too bad that was 8 years ago. Too bad his last TKO was 3 years ago. Too bad he outpoints most of the time in his fights now, thus leading to what I subjectively refer to as “boring.”
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hahaha
yeah too bad there is no one with the epic ability to get their arm broken in the UFC. Too bad there are no more super-exciting fighters like Matt Serra to be in super-exciting Matt Serra fights.
hahahaha
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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I see by your posts
that you didn’t read a thing I posted. Twice.
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haha
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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
yup yet who broke Sylvia's arm is still a big player
Happy for Mir the most brutal MMA fighter out there. This also means UFC is not full or boring fighters. Maybe you havent seen the Werdum fight? That was a great fight really!!!Also very happy for Werdum cant wait to see him against Mir :)
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good fanpost, its nice to get a bit of something different in the diet… thank you…
i feel where you’re coming from, obviously the apparatchiks from the committee will rip some of it to shreds, but it doesn’t make its sentiment less real…
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by rohedron on Feb 10, 2012 4:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Stop giving bad fanposts ironic recs
You just encourage more stupid shit like this.
Seriously, so bad It almost feels like trolling
Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?
Seriously, so bad It almost feels like trolling
Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?
Diaz / Press Conferences
I think you’re forgetting the issue with Diaz missing the press conferences. There were very reasonable grounds for questioning whether Diaz could be trusted to show up for anything, including the fight itself. His camp later pointed out that Diaz had never no-showed an event, but the UFC is not in the business of investing millions of dollars into shows and putting itself in a position to be screwed by a fighter who makes it a point of playing by his own rules and can’t comply with even basic company requirements.
Removing Diaz from the main event was the right decision at the time. Insisting that GSP should have forced the UFC’s hand to continue with the fight is nonsense.
and ultimately doesn't matter,
Because GSP didn’t end up fighting Condit anyway.
I really don’t understand anyone’s point about that whole deal, because it gets rendered moot by the next GSP announcement.
It would be very valid had GSP fought Condit instead of Diaz.
Loved it
Great work, well written. This must have took some time.
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