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5 Reasons I Hate the UFC

UFC 143 was the final straw in a barrage of UFC straws that overloaded my overworked camel and finally broke its back. I don't have the words to describe just how disappointed I am at the events that transpired at that event. Yeah, it's easy when looking to the surface to choose a side and throw the blame around, but on the atomic level this has been a long time coming and though I am shocked and disappointed, I am not one bit angry at Nick Diaz. If you don't know who I'm talking about, Google him you dumb bitch.

The UFC's president, Dana White, has made some questionable decisions in his career, none more tumultuous than the ones that he has made over the past 4 years, none more idiotic and damaging to the UFC brand, none more damaging to its loyal fan base. Dana White has proven to be effective at whatever it is that his job is, but also equally ineffective because, simply put, he is a good business man and he is a baaaaaad business man. I can't explain it. It's a mind-boggling paradox that makes me respect him and want to slap him in the mouth at the same time. Over the past few years the UFC has gone mainstream, from having popular fighters appear on network television shows, to having them appear in movies, to switching from a middling cable network to one of the biggest television networks in the world. They have absorbed the 2 biggest MMA organizations outside of the UFC. They have provided more events for the fans to watch, and lowered ticket prices for their Pay Per View spectaculars. Sounds good right? Wrong! Because of these decisions, they have also monopolized an entire sport and turned any plausible MMA prospects into timid manufactured clones of athletes that seek to win instead of fight. So what that means essentially is that there are tons of new fights and new fighters under the UFC banner, but they all pretty much suck.

And this is what leads me to my list. Here are the top 5 reasons I now hate the UFC:

5. Quinton Jackson vs Forrest Griffin II

This is where the downward spiral of the UFC began for me. UFC 86 was where Forrest Griffin earned the Light Heavyweight Title. Looking back on it, it was a very close fight which had fans and analysts split straight down the middle as to who actually won, leading to what would seem to be the most logical conclusion: a rubber match. But wait, there was no Jackson vs Griffin II was there? Nope. The UFC brass decided that instead of giving the fans what they wanted, nèe, needed, they would try to milk this cash cow for all that it was worth. Instead of the rubber match, Rampage Jackson was banished to the middle of the light heavyweight pack to "work his way back up" to another title shot, a ludicrous idea that was soon scrapped after Forrest Griffin lost the belt to Rashad Evans. Instead, Jackson was given a "prove it" match with Keith Jardine for a title shot, which he won. Soon after that Rashad Evans fought a relatively known piss-drinking entity by the name of Lyoto Machida and lost the belt to him (are you still following me here). Rampage ditched his disdain for Rashad Evans and requested his title fight yet again, but no no no, it gets even better children. Dana White told him that instead of fighting Machida, he would appear as a coach for the second time on The Ultimate Fighter alongside Rashad Evans, and he would definitely get the title shot, no questions asked, after he fulfilled that commitment. After the filming for the show completed, Dana White changed his tune yet again and told Quinton that in order to get the same title shot that was guaranteed to him twice already under two entirely different circumstances, he would have to now have to face Rashad Evans for yet another number one contender's match. Such a convoluted situation solved ever so simply by Rampage when he said "Fuck this shit," and left the UFC to be a movie star. How you like dem apples?

This was not the first time that something like this had happened--Dana trying to get as much mileage out of a "storyline" as possible I mean. He brought the drama a couple of years earlier with BJ Penn and some years before that with Tito Ortiz. You see, before the acquisition of Pride and Strikeforce Dana had a history of fucking up when it came to maintaining fighter loyalty. He treated them like commodities, as if their time, money, and emotional investment was a construct that can be easily controlled and played at will. And every time those popular and marketable fighters gave a big F U to the boss, the entire state of the company was left in disrepair. That's what Nick Diaz did at UFC 143. He said "I'm outta this shit" and he was right to do so. He had the weight of the Welterweight division on his shoulders when the UFC acquired him from Strikeforce to fight Geroges St-Pierre. Nick was to play the "villain" and like it, he was to stir the shit on purpose, he was to drum up as much interest as possible in that fight to sell sell sell because Georges St-Pierre is a carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of fucking boring. Diaz caved under the pressure and was not only sent to the back-burner but then was clusterfucked out of a win in that fight. Why should he have to put up with that sort of treatment anymore? It's called, "If you don't like your job, quit" so he did. Someone should also inform Dana White that if he could control his hissy fits and avoid hastily reacting to unexpected situations in the future, he wouldn't have to worry about fucking up the only fight cards I actually want to see.

4. Greg Jackson's MMA

Good gym, good coaches, good strategies, absolutely terrible for the sport of MMA. Jackson' s MMA has systematically castrated every exciting prospective fighter since Diego Sanchez by implementing the "point system." You see, someone over in Albuquerque figured out that in order to win a fight in the UFC, one does not necessarily have to fight. All one has to do is avoid being submitted or knocked out while not losing more points than his opponent in a given match. Meaning, dry-hump their way to victory. Yep, it's that simple! Thanks Jackson's MMA, you've somehow made the latent homoeroticism of Mixed Martial Arts more gay than it already was, and not in the fun way.

3. Affliction, Pride, WEC, Strikeforce, K1, Bellator

You killed them. You killed them all. And since they're all dead, every fighter under the UFC roster has to make sure they keep their fucking job because they have nowhere else to go. Know what that means? Playing it safe. Yup, boring main events, hell boring entire cards simply because the fighters are afraid that if they go balls out, they will either lose and be out of a job or get injured, thus having to spend time they don't have recuperating which will in turn cut off their cash flow. Or, they can use an even worse, unrefined version of the Greg Jackson but-humping strategy to avoid injury all together, not risk losing and getting cut, but also not gain any fans and sponsors. Pick your poison, tiger *rarrww* And since the UFC now monopolizes all of Mixed Martial Arts, there are so many fighters on the roster and so many cards to watch that they don't have the same impact as they used to. There is only one category for fighters to be put into and it is by weight, there are no more speculations as to how a champion from one organisation would fare against a champion from another, and there is no identifying with anyone besides the top-tier fighters and the up-and-comers who challenge them. 70% of the faces I see in the UFC I don't recognize because, let's be honest here, I couldn't care less. Where's the intamacy? Where's that feeling of niche-condescension I used to have when I would do my Matt Serra impression and no one within 3 city blocks knew who the fuck I was talking about? What happened to my UFC?

2. Pool's Closed: The Golden Days Are Over

Jens Pulver, BJ Penn, Matt Hughes, Matt Serra, Karo Parisyan, Evan Tanner, Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Brock Lesnar, ROYCE FUCKING GRACIE. These are some names you need to know if you don't already. All these men put on some of the most kick-ass fights in the history of the UFC. They polarized the crowds and turned casual observers into die-hard fans. I was lucky enough to be around for those crazy moments as well as the introduction to the new era of champions like Frankie Edgar, Georges St-Pierre, Anderson Silva, and Jon Jones, but lo and behold there is a catch. There is virtually no competition for these new champions, they're always getting injured, and when they finally do fight you'll most likely be rooting for the undercard rather than the main event. There are some snore-fests, some novelty fights, some lopsided disembowelments, and plenty of re-matches, but for some reason their performances never stick to you for very long. They have bland personalities. They're not remarkable or memorable in their interviews. They don't make you laugh or excite you, and they don't make you anticipate their next fight. In conjunction with that, the most talented of all the champions, Jon Jones, has the worst attitude I have seen in sports since Terrell Owens. Fortunately for everyone karma came back in full force and Terrell Owens is now broke. Here's to praying for a life-altering injury or an indictment on tax evasion charges for Jon Jones because if anyone deserves to have his life ruined, it's definitely him. And lastly I mean really, who can touch any of these champs? Who? They're in a league all their own and they will continue to be for some time, so what is there to look forward to? I honestly think the sport will die down by the time anyone else interesting comes along, but by then I will have been completely lost as a fan because I just don't have the patience to wait around for sparks anymore. Sorry UFC, but this holy union is officially over.

1. Georges St-Pierre

He is beautiful. His face is beautiful, his eyes are a deep blue, he talks with a cute little quirky accent, and he has the body of a G.I. Joe action figure. He's nice. I accosted him in Las Vegas and completely lost my shit but he reached his hand out and greeted me, waited as I fumbled around in my bag for my camera, and kindly took a picture with me while I made a fool of myself in his captivating presence. I really really really want to like him but unfortunately for Georges St-Pierre, he makes an appearance in all 5 out of 5 of the reasons I now hate the UFC.

Nick Diaz did skip that one press conference but had Georges asked for the fight despite that, Dana would have given it to him, because Dana gives Georges everything he wants. People tend to overlook that by skipping said press conference, Nick Diaz drummed up more hype and publicity than St-Pierre ever could have with his boring, pre-packaged brand of promotion. Diaz had a point when he said that the only way he got a title shot was by playing the villian, and he was right. Why didn't Georges ask for that fight sooner? I have no idea. It's a stretch for some, I know, but there was something in the way that Nick Diaz said it that made me feel for him because he will never have the power to ask for such a thing and get it when he wants to, on his home turf, and who are we kidding here; he's the only legitimate competition Georges has at this point. And please allow my ignorance to show when I ask who in the hell is Carlos Condit??? I digress.

Georges trains with Jackson's MMA and is the poster boy for implementation of the dry-buttsecks-humping-lay-and-pray style of "fighting," or shall I say, "out-pointing," that has become synonymous with said camp. He used to be vicious. He used to be a little cocky. He used to have a gleam in his eye and want to punish his opponents. Now he's just a "nice guy" who tries to "finish" every fight he is in because all of his opponents are his "most tough opponent yet." Yeah ok Georges. Nobody can touch you at this point so either stop pulling that same pre-rendered nice guy bullshit or shut the hell up completely and win your fights how you will no explanation necessary. I can't take it anymore.

He's not going anywhere because he is a UFC fixture. I'm pretty sure his little foray into Olympic Wrestling was his way of trying to escape the pressures of being a champion, but damned if he loses that title due to a risky maneuver or because he didn't keep his opponent in the "power bottom" position, because that would be bad. For him. Much needed for us though. Seriously, if he's not going to the Olympics that means he has to stick it out for another 3-4 years before he retires. It's like a loveless marriage: I fell out of love with him because he fell out of love with fighting a long time ago. There's a certain sadness in all of this, to see such a bright star fade, not due to injury or unpopularity, but simply because his spirit has been sucked dry. He's a former shell of himself but as much as I want to root for him, I still want to root against his bland ass. I don't know, figure something out Frenchie and do it quick because your fans aren't going to be there forever.....scratch that, some of them will. Those fans are what we from now on will refer to as "remedial."

And that just about does it, folks. Yup. I mean, all good things must come to an end and this is the beginning of said end for me. I don't know what the future holds so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and my waning fanaticism with the UFC will go out with a bang. Maybe I'll be content with my severance of support for the UFC at some point; maybe not. Here's to UFC 144. Don't fail me now, Shields! (It literally hurt my soul type that)



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mostly agree

but when your defense of GSP comes around to pointing out how Jackson’s fighter Condit was able to make the exciting Diaz unexciting, the overall defense of Jackson’s MMA as ‘not boring’ doesn’t really gain much.

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Feb 9, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? Because of one fight from one fighter?

by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it's one fight, but it's a fight cited in an argument that Jackson fighters aren't boring.

If you can’t see the irony, I’m not sure how else to explain it.

Imagine this conversation:
Jackson’s fighters are boring.
Like who?
Like GSP.
GSP’s not boring, his defensive opponents make him look boring.
Name me one other fighter that looked boring because of his opponent.
Diaz against Condit.
Where does Condit train?
Jackson’s.
See, toldja Jackson’s fighters are boring!

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Feb 10, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course I can see how a simpleton would see it as irony. I was pointing out the stupidity of using anecdotal, isolated evidence to make sweeping generalizations.

Silva had boring rounds against Maia and Leites (and Maia was mind-blowingly walking Silva down). Who in their right mind would call him a boring fighter? Or, following your logic, say that Blackhouse fighters are boring?

by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said this before

But Donald Cerrone and Leonard Garcia train with Jackson. People seem to be pretty selective in what they notice.

by jim-ma on Feb 9, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, personally I find it pretty boring to watch leonard garcia frantically swatting at imaginary flies for 15 minutes. Maybe you like it.

by DEEPLimpact on Feb 10, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan either

I’m just saying that Jackson’s camp isn’t full of fighters who stick to game plans.

by jim-ma on Feb 10, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions  

but true Cerrone is far from boring and his wasnt a boring fight at all

The thing is, that Nick could have made this fight differently. But he didnt . Period.

Silva made the Maia and Leites fights as they say out of pure fun .. i can imagine that of him :D

Generalising is dangeorous, not all opponents make another fighter boring and not every fighter from Jackson’s is boring. Look at TUF 14 finalists.. who would call them boring fighters?

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by szanpan on Feb 11, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Condit and Cerrone were the two guys who would go to war every fight, regardless of whether or not Jackson instructed them otherwise.
Does Jackson actually corner Garcia in his bouts? That would be hilarious

by DL2kold on Feb 10, 2012 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

He does.

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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 10, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention Jones, Stann, Sanchez, Guida, Condit (he fought 32 other times), along with – if you include the closely affiliated Grudge – Carwin, Schaub, Marquardt…

by paythefighters on Feb 10, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Kid Nate shares the sentiment that Jackson fighters are starting to become point fighters as he said, " I can’t stand the hit and run, run up the score style of fighting that Jackson seems to be encouraging his fighters to adopt." (from http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/10/2789500/improving-scoring-judging-unified-rules-suggestions-round-table-sta#add-comment).

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by chrisbboy82 on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post and good rant.

I however disagree with most of what you are saying. I am sure it felt good to get that out huh?

So serious question, are you going to keep watching because it is just so awesome that you can’t turn your back or are you seriously going to call it quits?

I actually do agree with the GSP part of it. :0)

by Hart Thorson on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I am so torn

I’m not completely sure yet. Over the past 4 years I have consistently been watching less and less fight cards. I don’t have cable and I don’t stream illegally so I go out to bars and pay to get in. Every time I have done that, literally every single time, I have come home disappointed, so I stopped doing it. And then I stopped reading the live blogs. And then I stopped watching the pre-fight conferences and the post-fight conferences and Primetime etc. I have my reasons but despite that I know that the UFC has the capability to do a whole lot better; I just don’t have the faith anymore to expect nor the patience anymore to wait for it.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

inconceivable

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by nannerb on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

neither does the term nèe.
not sure how

carbon copy of a carbon copy of fucking boring
is supposed to make any sense.

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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 9, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

are you old enough to know what a carbon copy is?

It makes plenty of sense…

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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Google search

Duly noted.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it would take longer than the fanpost to break it all down.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 9, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet

You felt a need to reply and as such have received many a rec.

So think of his fanpost as an assist. He’s your Pippen.

by cager on Feb 9, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's almost beautiful in its inane rambling-ness.

It’s like watching a speed junkie try to explain the laws of motion.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Feb 10, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not one bit angry at Nick Diaz. If you don’t know who I’m talking about, Google him you dumb bitch.

i love this line

Anderson Silva…They have bland personalities. They’re not remarkable or memorable in their interviews.

Dude, no

Anderson is silly and funny

I’d say JBJ doesn’t have a bland personality, he just fakes one

Agreed on the shitty attitude though

Great post

by Cunny on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

There were more great fights in the UFC last year than I can ever remember

probably as many as when Pride was around too, and we didn;t have any freakshows involved. The UFC is great

by flamingmo on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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by warren305 on Feb 9, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

VERY good

Nice work, Rob Young.

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by glib_mf on Feb 9, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So.... this is your final fanpost?

Thanks for the memories.

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by Charles Awad on Feb 9, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

lol

funny.

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by RolloTomasi on Feb 9, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

UFC had nothing to do with K-1's downfall.

Bellator isn’t dead yet. And Zuffa turned the WEC into the action packed organization that it was; before Zuffa, the WEC was a run of the mill feeder org.

There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?

by ElliotMatheny on Feb 9, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

That's what I was thinking exactly.

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by T.C. Engel on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the brand of defensive football

High-energy, turnover-inducing defensive football is a ton of fun (early 2000s Ravens, e.g.); bend-but-don’t break, not so much, IMO.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Those Baltimore teams were vicious! Watching their defense was vastly more exciting than watching Dilfer hand off the ball 3 times for a 3-and-out.

Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.

by Stanlee on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

word

Ed Reed is the friggin’ MAN. One of the best Super Bowls ever was the Ravens’ absolute defensive domination of the Giants. I mean, the powerhouse luv QB (Trent Dilfer) didn’t have to do a damn thing, the defense scored enough off their interceptions alone to provide all the points they’d need. Damn.

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by glib_mf on Feb 9, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ed Reed wasn't on that team

Ed, sadly, has never played in the Superbowl.

by HaterSlayer on Feb 9, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know that

I actually didn’t know that Ed wasn’t on that mighty squadron … jeez … that guy more than deserves a spot in the HoF, in my humble opinion. That 2000 team was so damn good on defense, I just assumed Ed was leading the charge. Thanks for the info.

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by glib_mf on Feb 9, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

why the fuck.....

did i read this shit

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Hey, at least you'

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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

baaaahahaha

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by Rob Young on Feb 10, 2012 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i

neva knew u had it in u!
daaamm thats good

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by rohedron on Feb 10, 2012 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, at least you're honest about it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

On point three:

Affliction had “douche chills” written all over it, though I do wish it survived if only to be a magnet to the tapout-wearing d-bags who gravitate towards anything Ed Hardy-esque.

Bellator is still alive and is about to hit 70 events. On top of that, they’ve got a good amount of prospects and you’re guaranteed to get at least one good scrap each event.

K-1 screwed itself over something fierce. And I am a kickboxing fan. You can’t mismanage yourself like the K-1 administrators did and expect to keep afloat.

Strikeforce mismanaged itself into oblivion, unfortunately.

WEC was good.

The Yakuza and mismanagement killed PRIDE.

And the rest of it:

by les rallizes denudes on Feb 9, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

GREAT PIC!

’Nuff said.

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by glib_mf on Feb 9, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

and HAAAAHAAAAA i LOVE this pic especially with the comments :D

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by szanpan on Feb 11, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Proof that...

if you give a warehouse full of monkeys each a typewriter, they’ll write something somewhat coherent.

by fork'nspoon on Feb 9, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

not sure if serious....

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by MaZZacare on Feb 9, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I like the post

Agree with some of it, disagree with more of it. The UFC is experiencing growing pains right now, hopefully they make it.

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by warren305 on Feb 9, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

...

But you hate them…

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by halitosis on Feb 9, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's a mighty block of text you have there

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by Dave Strummer on Feb 9, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

i love the throwback comments to the "mythical golden age"

when fights were more exciting than they are today, due to GSP and Greg Jackson

because shamrock v. gracie at UFC 5 was so RIVETING.
because tito ortiz was such an EXCITING champion (especially against matyushenko!)
because tim sylvia was POETRY IN MOTION.

as for the other promotions? none of them were any better than the UFC is now. i understand there’s a lot of PRIDE nostalgia, and yes, in 2005 it had (for the most part) better fighters than the UFC. but come on. let’s try to remember things as they actually were. was Fedor v. Big Nog or Cro Cop really that “entertaining?” Fedor sat in their guards and beat them up without finishing.

if GSP’s next fight is like fedor/cro cop, everyone on this board will accuse him of killing the sport. but before you do that, you should take five minutes to think of what the sport actually used to be like, instead of just how you remember it.

by Clifford J on Feb 9, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

i still love Pride more then the average fan, and i wholeheartedly admit that era had some abominable fucking snoozefests. the sport had some great moments, and we see loads of brilliance today based on the accomplishments and growth of events from the past. that does not mean in any way that any of the bullshit this dude posted is even remotely true.

you know it’s bad when you can’t even tell if a dude is trolling or not

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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 9, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha buuuurn

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by warren305 on Feb 9, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said I don't like GSP

I said he’s boring. If I didn’t like him I would have reason to antagonize him in person, but even then he could kick my ass so why would I do such a thing?

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"I really really really want to like him but unfortunately for Georges St-Pierre, he makes an appearance in all 5 out of 5 of the reasons I now hate the UFC"

I call bullshit. The above quote pretty much says you don’t like him only you don’t spell it out.

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by attgnp on Feb 9, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much, yet doesn't

Me not liking certain aspects about him, however many aspects that may be, does not automatically mean I don’t like him at all. I have every one of his fights on DVD yet the mere thought of a GSP fight nowadays brings me to fits of bored-rage when it used to be the exact opposite. It’s like one of those “I’m not mad just disappointed” deals; that’s the best way I can put it right now.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

HAAAAA THIS!!!!

you got the point here :D maybe he was trying to say that he was just TOO nice and thats why he dislikes him :D

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by szanpan on Feb 11, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I know you were just trying to be funny...

But some of this shit is a little over-board. Like hoping for a life-altering injury to Bones. There’s a line between poking fun and being flat-out offensive, and you did a front flip over that mother fucker.

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by Zachary Kater on Feb 9, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of Matt Hammil on TUF

He had kind of a ‘tude, was whooping everyone in practice, had a little special attention, then he got kicked in the head by Kendall Grove. That’s all it took for him to stop acting like a douche but for Jones I suspect it won’t be that easy. That’s all I meant by it.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

good point about Hammil

That certainly seemed how it played out.

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by glib_mf on Feb 9, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Interestingly....

…the issues you outlined is what happens when a sport goes mainstream. Expect it to get worse.

by INGO B on Feb 9, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

too dumb

to stop in the middle?
(just asking… just asking)

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by rohedron on Feb 10, 2012 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You slayed this hater.

Job well done.

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by gzl5000 on Feb 9, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I've explained a lot of this in my follow-up replies

With that said:

1. I don’t love MMA, but I do like it sometimes. Not as much as I used to though. Jon Jones demolishes his opponents and I watch every one of his fights. I pay no attention to promos because they’re usually all hype and lies, but interviews tell a whole other tale. And no, just because I feel that I should be excited by something I am interested in doesn’t mean I should watch the WWE.

2. Jon Jones, in interviews, irks me. His arrogance is well-deserved as he is a phenomenal fighter and has accomplished tons, and I would be able to tolerate that if he didn’t treat his opponents like they were less than him. He is very very sneaky and I don’t like sneaky people. Reference: the thumb “injury,” showing private texts from Rashad Evans to reporters in attempts to get sympathy (I don’t particularly care for Rashad Evans but seriously?), and referring to Evans on UFC on FOX 2 as “just another chapter in my life.” Maybe if you’re not looking for it you won’t notice, but I didn’t start noticing such things on purpose; they started leaping out at me.

“I worked hard for my belt so I’m not signing a replica.” Yeah, no.

The difference between him and Brock Lesnar, Rampage Jackson, and Nick Diaz is that the latter don’t pander to their fans in one manner and then do the exact opposite under that same guise. What you see is what you get, and I respect that.

3. I’m not happy TO is broke, I’m happy to see that he seems to have changed for the better as a result of being broke. I referenced Matt Hammil on TUF earlier as to what I meant by that comment, but I suspect a swift kick to the head isn’t going to be enough to open Jones’ eyes.

I took MMA seriously until it started fucking with my emotions, then I stopped. This was a rant immediately following UFC 143 after a slew of disappointments that have been building up in the welterweight division, my favorite division next to Light Heavyweight, for me. And for the love of God just because I want Jon Jones to learn a valuable life lesson about humility and “realness” does not mean I want people to get seriously injured outside of a cage where there are no rules and regulations, no doctors and no referees. Why would you even jump to that conclusion? That’s awful.

As I’ve said before, that comment wa

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Please omit that last sentence.

I’ll add it to my next fanpost.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

OH GOD, THERE'S A SEQUEL TO THIS NONSENSE!

Ahoy-hoy.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

see you in the comment section

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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

just because I want Jon Jones to learn a valuable life lesson about humility and "realness" does not mean I want people to get seriously injured outside of a cage where there are no rules and regulations, no doctors and no referees. Why would you even jump to that conclusion?
Here’s to praying for a life-altering injury or an indictment on tax evasion charges for Jon Jones because if anyone deserves to have his life ruined, it’s definitely him.

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by oxala75 on Feb 9, 2012 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

If I had put "praying" and "ruined" in quotes

would it have made more sense?

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

only in the sense

that we would be fairly sure that you wouldn’t kneecap him if you were in his presence.
(though your GSP anecdonte suggests that you’d give him a hug.)
either way, it’d still be some thin muslin.

it’s still a betrayal of a lot of deep, hurt feelings and misplaced venom that’s worth of some…exploration.

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by oxala75 on Feb 9, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry for the typos

i really wish BE had an edit grace period of a minute or so.
or that i proofread before hitting ‘POST’…

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by oxala75 on Feb 9, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for the fact

that that encounter happened 2 years ago right after the filming of TUF and I was excited to see GSP vs Koscheck. Had I met Jon Jones 2 years ago I would have been just as excited to see him, but if I met him now and got the chance to talk to him one on one I would most definitely call him out on his shenanigans, albeit in a more respectful way.

If you didn’t get what I meant by “praying” and “ruining” it stems back from a confrontation him and Rashad Evans had in a nightclub. The whole situation was ridiculous and made them both look like two big babies. You can look it up if you want; I don’t feel like it.

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by thurmonito on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Ahoy-hoy.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 9, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

the thing is

thurmonito is onto something, and it’s something that i think we’re going to encounter more and more in the next few years: the greatly delayed yet still slow realization by many that MMA has taken significant shape and hold in the U.S. not as a game of recreation or leisure, but full on as a business.

While many of us had formative, polarizing experiences in MMA which lead us to believe that today’s contests are thin shadows of what once was, I think that we’re just seeing a higher octane version of what the sport always hoped to be (if not what we wished it would be).

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by oxala75 on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

well said

..

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by szanpan on Feb 11, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes! 11 recs

This fanpost is pure gold.

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by SSreporters on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

And his next fanpost

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by DarthKitty on Feb 10, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

Haha best part is the pantheon of glorious fighters from the glory days

that includes Tim Sylvia, Matt Serra, and Brock Lesnar. GTFO with that bullshit.

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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

and “boring” GSP TKO’d three of the glorious exciting WW’s on that list and soundly beat up the fourth.

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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you may have missed this part:
All these men put on some of the most kick-ass fights in the history of the UFC. They polarized the crowds and turned casual observers into die-hard fans.

Just because you disagree doesn’t make it any less true. Tim Sylvia getting his arm broken in the cage was epic, Matt Serra being the first person to upset GSP was epic, Matt Hughes being a 5-time defending champion was epic, and Brock Lesnar beating the ever-living shit out of Frank Mir to defend his championship amid harsh criticisms not taking him seriously as an MMA fighter due to his pro-wrestling background, was fucking epic. Period. GSP defeating Karo Parisyan, one of the most highly-regarded technical fighters in the UFC at the time, in his UFC debut was pretty darn impressive as well. Too bad that was 8 years ago. Too bad his last TKO was 3 years ago. Too bad he outpoints most of the time in his fights now, thus leading to what I subjectively refer to as “boring.”

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by thurmonito on Feb 10, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

yeah too bad there is no one with the epic ability to get their arm broken in the UFC. Too bad there are no more super-exciting fighters like Matt Serra to be in super-exciting Matt Serra fights.

hahahaha

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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I see by your posts

that you didn’t read a thing I posted. Twice.

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by thurmonito on Feb 10, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

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by FightingFighting on Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yup yet who broke Sylvia's arm is still a big player

Happy for Mir the most brutal MMA fighter out there. This also means UFC is not full or boring fighters. Maybe you havent seen the Werdum fight? That was a great fight really!!!Also very happy for Werdum cant wait to see him against Mir :)

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by szanpan on Feb 11, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

good fanpost, its nice to get a bit of something different in the diet… thank you…
i feel where you’re coming from, obviously the apparatchiks from the committee will rip some of it to shreds, but it doesn’t make its sentiment less real…

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by rohedron on Feb 10, 2012 4:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

No, thank you

for giving me my word of the year!

apparatchiks

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by thurmonito on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Stop giving bad fanposts ironic recs

You just encourage more stupid shit like this.

by Chromium on Feb 10, 2012 5:42 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously, so bad It almost feels like trolling

Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?

by UK MMA MAN on Feb 10, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously, so bad It almost feels like trolling

Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?

by UK MMA MAN on Feb 10, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Diaz / Press Conferences

I think you’re forgetting the issue with Diaz missing the press conferences. There were very reasonable grounds for questioning whether Diaz could be trusted to show up for anything, including the fight itself. His camp later pointed out that Diaz had never no-showed an event, but the UFC is not in the business of investing millions of dollars into shows and putting itself in a position to be screwed by a fighter who makes it a point of playing by his own rules and can’t comply with even basic company requirements.

Removing Diaz from the main event was the right decision at the time. Insisting that GSP should have forced the UFC’s hand to continue with the fight is nonsense.

by benhamil on Feb 10, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

and ultimately doesn't matter,

Because GSP didn’t end up fighting Condit anyway.

I really don’t understand anyone’s point about that whole deal, because it gets rendered moot by the next GSP announcement.

It would be very valid had GSP fought Condit instead of Diaz.

by RobtWeaver on Feb 10, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved it

Great work, well written. This must have took some time.
Rec’d

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by DL2kold on Feb 10, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

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