UFC 145 Fight Card: Jones vs. Evans
by Tim Burke on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM EST
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Finally, it seems that the most talked-about grudge match in MMA over the last year is finally going to come together. Former training partners Jon Jones and Rashad Evans are scheduled to meet for the UFC light heavyweight title in the main event on UFC 145, which takes place on April 21st from Philips Arena in Atlanta, GA. The card also features two big heavyweight bouts, with Brendan Schaub taking on Ben Rothwell, and Chad Griggs making his UFC debut against Travis Browne. Check out the current card below:
Apr 21st, live on pay-per-view from Atlanta, GA:
Jon Jones (15-1) vs. Rashad Evans (17-1-1)
Rory MacDonald (12-1) vs. Che Mills (14-4)
Michael McDonald (14-1) vs. Miguel Torres (40-4)
Brendan Schaub (8-2) vs. Ben Rothwell (31-8)
Chad Griggs (11-1) vs. Travis Browne (12-0-1)
Mark Hominick (20-10) vs. Eddie Yagin (15-5-1)
Mark Bocek (10-4) vs. Matt Wiman (14-6)
Anthony Njokuani (14-6) vs. John Makdessi (9-1)
Efrain Escudero (18-4) vs. Mac Danzig (20-9-1)
Chris Clements (10-4) vs. Keith Wisniewski (28-13-1)
Maximo Blanco (8-3-1) vs. Marcus Brimage (4-1)
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Is mills-macdonald
Really co-main?
by the mexicutioners #1 fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bout order hasn’t been determined yet.
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And even if it were,
who cares? It’s not like that’s a bad fight at all. And why should we care what order the fights happen in? It just seems like such an insignificant detail
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 9, 2012 3:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I cant see it being schuab rothwell, they are both coming off AWFUL performances. At least griggs and browne are both on win streaks.
by the mexicutioners #1 fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lol
If you think it’s Schaub/Rothwell, big LOL to you.
It will be Torres/McDonald, clearly. But yeah, definitely lacking a “true” co-main event.
by TheMuscleShark on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
stop dumbing us down zuffa. co main events should be a rarity. just use the term Featured Bout instead
speeaking of the term co main event. i’m pretty sure this has bothered other people too. Wouldn’t it make more sense if they used the term Feature Event or Feature Bout of the Night. The term Co Main should be reserved for an actual Co main event like 2 championship belts or fights of equal stature dont you think?
Particularly on this card, How do you seperate one of the main card fights from the others and say this is somehow on par or nearly on par with the ME. Doesn’t make sense.
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 9, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
I can recall bursting out laughing right before Struve / Mcorckle @ 124, when Bruce Buffer announced it as the “co-main event of the evening.”
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Holy shit! I forgot that was a "co-main".
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 9, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I was at that one. I think everyone that was sitting around me were laughing that it was a co main
Sheeeeeeeee-it
Please, please, please, please cut Ben Rothwell after this fight. He’s just been absolutely awful in the UFC.
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Torres/McDonald seems like the obvious choice,
but the little guys don’t get no love in the UFC.
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I would agree
Of the fights it seems like torres mcdonald is most relevant and co main worthy. But honestly it seems to me this card is lacking a co main event.
by the mexicutioners #1 fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Torres vs. McDonald is on the prelims according to the UFC website
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That should probably be on the main card
Winner of that fight probably gets Barao for the number one contender.
by discoandherpes on Feb 9, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
That is a fantastic idea.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 9, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They're both good prospects
But, I agree with you, probably shouldn’t be the main event.
i bet a bunch of people are gonna get all upset but this card is garbage.
there is not one bout i’m actually looking forward to on the entire card. bones vs Evans lost it for me, probably cuz Phil vs Evans was so boring. Rory is a great fighter which is a shame that they would waste him on a dude who couldnt even make it onto TUF. Chad Griggs is fun but hes a LHW at best and he’d get destroyed in that division. Travis Browne looked awful in his last fight and I honestly cannot watch another Ben Rothwell gasfest. Wandy vs Cung Le 2 would have a hard time saving this card IMO.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 8, 2012 9:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You're gonna die
From mold inhalation from the looks of it.
Haha, saw that too. That black mold can be a doozy.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 9, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Is the poster on wikipedia the official poster?
Because if it is, sign me up.
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Hmmm
Looks like a good card that has some interesting fights. Torres and MacDonald could be a good fight, the pre-requist “Couple of Hws who’ll bang and/or gas out”. Hominick looking to bounce back, Escudero and Danzig could be a fight with a good pace. I still think it needs a more solid co-main event tho if you are asking me to drop like $60 bucks.
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Geeze, welcome back, Miguel.
But great chance for him to position himself for a title shot.
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Yeah, but McDonald fights like you fucked his sister and never called her back.
Should be a great fight.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 8, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Ok I read it as
“McDonald fights like you fucked your sister and never called him back”
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by sun yue on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He isn't even the guy to beat Brain Bowles
Joseph Benavidez, or Demetrious Johnson.
I don’t think he is the guy to beat Cruz…if anyone is the guy to beat Cruz, it’s Barao.
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by Chris Groves on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll give you Bowles and Joe, but he beat Johnson.
And I think he has the style to beat Cruz.
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He beat Johnson?
So what? I and many others beat Johnson on a near daily basis…..
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by SSreporters on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
No one beats Brain, though.
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by Dino756 on Feb 8, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You see...because Braun beats Brain sometimes
What about Pinky?
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by SSreporters on Feb 9, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pinky always beats Brain
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What about Lloyd Braun!?
Why can’t you be more like Lloyd Braun?
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 9, 2012 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No he just keeps ringing the bell.
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No he's not
Torres time has come and gone.
BW got better and Torres couldn’t adapt.
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Cruz leaves himself open and I think Torres' range and leg kicks would give him fits
Of course, he’s susceptible to getting repeatedly taken down and Cruz is an excellent grappler, but nobody’s held Torres down and Cruz can’t beat him up ala Benavidez.
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oh come on.
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 9, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
I've been saying it for a while, and I'll stand by it.
I’m confident that Torres’ stand-up would give Cruz all kinds of trouble, and while Cruz is a damn good grappler, I don’t think he’ll be able to stifle Torres. And he sure as hell won’t finish him, or anybody else for that matter.
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Chad. Griggs.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mutton. Chops.
His are so beast that they need separate punctuation.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 8, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Stephen Hawking...
time moves at an imperceptibly slower rate in the space immediately surrounding them because of their mass. It’s the mass.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how Jonny is gonna win
any fans if Jackson doesn’t corner him.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Feb 8, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Damnit!
I was gonna be sooooooooo funny when I posted this…
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'll rec it just for being a picture of Soundgarden
Also: MAXI!!!!!
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So excited for a couple fights here. Obviously Jones/Rashad, but I’m looking forward to seeing Rory/Mills and McDonald/Torres. Rory/Mills is a great chance to see how good Che really is, and if he can get past the young phenom that is Rory. And Torres should be a stiff test for McDonald, that one should be fireworks.
Mills gets smoked IMO.
Jumping from Chris Cope to Rory Macdonald is brutal.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 9, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Woof
Outside of the main event, which is can’t miss, that is not a good PPV card. The UFC knows we’re all buying this one regardless.
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Rory Mac and Torres are both nice fighters
but there’s just zero heat in any of the matchups outside the main. Add in not one but two HW gas fests, and it could be a little ugly in the lead up to the fight we all want to see.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 8, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Rory and Miggy are nice but Mike Mac isn't?
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I was gonna say the same thing. Mayday’s got more potential than Torres does.
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I love Mike Mac. I don’t want him to fight Barao after Torres though, assuming he wins. That kills a contender.
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Browne is gonna get Griggs outta there in the 1st or 2nd
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 9, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Potential injuries
This is another card that leaves the UFC open to a potential PPV sales black hole if something were to happen to either Bones or Rashad in the couple weeks before the fight. With Rashad’s combination of luck and injuries, who knows?
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I don't know
Mills/MacDonald and Torres/McDonald should both be awesome fights with title shot implications, and the heavyweights on the card seem relatively less inclined to gassing hard in what I’ve seen of them. Njokuani/Makdessi will probably wind up being awesome, too; has to be an early FOTN contender.
It's always a possibility that a weak card on paper turns into a gem
but the name quality and matchups on that main card are pretty bad for PPV.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
On the UFC website it has Torres-Mcdonald on the prelims and Schaub-Rothwell on the main card. it makes no sense
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by POW on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think that's a pretty good fight.
Rory should take it though.
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by POW on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Condit, Mike Pyle, and Nate Diaz are all better fighters
And Rory beat two of them and was extremely competitive with the first.
by discoandherpes on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Still think it's a good fight to make.
Mills is dangerous, but Rory is better. Good fight for where he’s at.
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by POW on Feb 9, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I really like this card
Mostly because I’m a fan/very interested in a lot of the fighters on it.
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Agreed
I’m pumped every time RoryMac is on a card (even if he is canadian). I also really like the Griggs/Browne fight and I’m stoked for MacDonald/Torres. Even the undercard seems full of some interesting matchups. Solid card all the way around.
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Njokouani vs Makdessi
That’s my personal “could be main-card”-bout.
This looks like one of the cards that get a lot of shit beforehand and turn out great. fingers crossed
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dude do you just dry hump every car put out by the UFC?
how can you even pretend this is a good fight. There is virtually no competitive fights with any meaning. Us giving Evans a shot is the GSP effect where for some reason everyone gave people like Dan Hardy and Jake Shields great shots at winning. Evans has no chance, Che has no chance, and if Miggy vs Mac is on the prelims that I can watch for free, the rest of the card is trash. Care to argue?
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by Chris Hall on Feb 9, 2012 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
More importantly, why are you dry humping cars and why is the UFC putting them out?
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How is that important? I needed a hobby, the ufc provided for me.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 9, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, because I want to believe that what's on my car is just bird crap....
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by Chris Hall on Feb 9, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like this card too
Jones/Evans is one of those cards the UFC expects to do well, so they don’t really need to stack it with too many big names.
That, and the M(a)cdonalds on this card are going to beat the shit out of their opposition.
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As an ATLien I will def be attending this no matter what the card looks like. Can’t be mad about seeing Bones, but would of been insane to see Mir-Cain/Werdum as the co main.
by RUSHoverSPIDER on Feb 8, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
me 3 bro
we need a huge co main! maybe condit diaz two!!! mir vs velasquez?? TWEET DANA EVERY DAY
by UFC Champ 42O on Feb 9, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Showcase Fights
For the mc/macdonald brothers. I would love to see Torres win though after that garbage with mickymouse, but without that killer instinct I see him going out similiar to the Benevidez fight.
Rory gets the belt by early 2013 or late 2012 if he takes the Jones route of fighting 12 times a year.
Evans is going to get destroyed
Oh but Evans trained with Jones! He knows how to fight him! And clearly Jones training with Evans means he knows jackshit about Rashad’s tendencies
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by SSreporters on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to put money on Evans
I think he’s a lot better than people give him credit for, he’s one of the most well rounded, intelligent and experienced fighters going round and it wouldn’t surpirse me at all if he finds a way to win.
It wouldn’t surpirse me if he can under get the bigger, stronger Jones, put him off balance with strikes coming in and put him on his back. His MMA wrestling is great.
Plus he should be paying good money.
by Detective Squirts on Feb 8, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see it
And I think Evans is a clear elite LHW, but Jones is just better. Evans landed 6 of 45 power shots from striking distance against Phil Davis, who is taller than him and has a longer reach advantage. His only hope is getting a clinch and uppercut spamming Bones.
Also, Jones’ top game is to me the best in the sport right now. Insta-mounted Rampage, cut Machida wide open with his only takedown, smothered Shogun, tooled Bader, etc. If Jones gets Evans on his back the fight will end quickly.
Evans has fewer ways to win. Submission is likely out of the question given how he’s attempted zero in his UFC career.
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Sources Please
Or did you pull those numbers out the same hole you keep your head in?
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
Wow way to nit pick
Maybe you should also mention the 25 jabs he landed or or the 16 strikes he landed in the clinch.
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
His point stands
Rashad’s chances on the feet are dependent on him landing power punches – his overhand right especially – and he was almost completely unable to do so against a guy whose ability to control range is drastically worse than the fighter he’s about to face.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Not relevant to the argument
I’m not bashing Rashad here, I’m saying that we learned something absolutely essential about him in that fight – he can cover distance, but not well enough against a very long fighter to land the kinds of punches that are really going to make a difference.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I may have been alittle defensive
But I see Rashad who is the quicker fighter being able to mix his punches and takedowns together nicely while using is speed to avoid strikes from Bones and also using his wrestling to avoid the throws from Bones
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
I'd like to agree with you
But I’m having a hard time seeing it. The range and length factor is just so huge here; even if Rashad throws some punches and ducks under for the takedown, think about how much ground he still has to cover just to get deep enough on the TD attempt for it to even be viable. As far as Rashad’s TDD is concerned, it’s good, but a long way from elite; Tito took him down in both their fights, for example.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yea he has reach
But in actuality his reach advantage is only 5 inches on each arm and Rashad is going to be the best MMA wrestler he has ever went up against and is probably going to be the fastest fighter he has ever faced.
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
If five inches of reach on each arm
Doesn’t seem like that much to you, I don’t know what to tell you. Even an inch or two overall makes a massive difference, and combined with Jones’ height and propensity for the kicking game, I have a hard time seeing how he can get inside. Rashad has as good a chance, or even better, than just about anybody fighting at 205 right now. The problem is, that’s just not good enough.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I realize its alot
But a think Rashad has the speed to negate it
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
I was wondering how long before someone mentioned the ultimate BE cliche, which is of course Rashads mixing of strikes and takedowns. Granted, he has some of the worst top control in MMA, has never even attempted a sub, and has never gnpEd someone out that I can ever remember…..but oh those transitions.
by Hutchy on Feb 9, 2012 7:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Phil Davis in the clinch < Jon Jones in the clinch
Oh yeah, Evans ain’t jabbing Jones any day of the week.
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His only hope is getting a clinch and uppercut spamming Bones.
He can’t catch those ridiculous leg kicks Bones likes to throw, and put him on his back and work top control… like he did against Davis? Alot of Rashad’s TDs came after catching kicks. If Shad can catch a kick and keep jones down a round, Jones might be hesitant to throw the kick again, which is his equivalent of a jab. It would change the whole fight.
Shad has a much better chance than most are giving him.
That said, Bones, rd 2 TKO.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Jones leg kicks are nothing like the kicks Rashad caught from Davis
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rashad has as good a chance of beating Jones as anyone
Which is to say, not very. His inability to close distance and land power punches against Evans, who does a much worse job of controlling range than Bones, can’t make anyone feel good about his chances on the feet. That’s a good point about catching the kicks, though – Evans might do a better job of getting a takedown off a caught kick than anybody in the game. I wonder what Jones’ guard looks like.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
*against Davis
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Even if you cant strike with Bones
Name a fighter other than his 1 loss the The Dragon he hasnt been able to take down and control.
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
His top control really isn't that great
And while Rashad’s takedowns are very good, Bones still hasn’t been on the receiving end of a takedown in his UFC career. Expecting Rashad to grind him out for 5 rounds is a long shot at best.
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Put it like this I will take Rashad over any other LHW in the world
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
I expect that statement to have an exception after UFC 145
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That's wonderful
And nobody’s saying Rashad isn’t a great fighter, just that he has very few ways to win this fight. Counting on TDs and a grinding top game against a guy who’s never been taken down isn’t a real viable line of reasoning, given the evidence that suggests he’s going to have real trouble trying to strike with Bones.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I assume u mean any other lhw in the world…..other then Machida? Since Machida beat him like he owed him money?
by Hutchy on Feb 9, 2012 7:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even Machida?
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
Top control isn't great
And honestly I totally buy into him not having a good chin. If Thiago Silva wasn’t gassed he would’ve knocked Evans into next week.
Rampage had him rocked very badly and somehow Rampage failed to KO him when Evans was nearly helpless.
Not being knocked out a lot doesn’t mean your chin isn’t great.
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Yeah, yeah coulda, woulda, shoulda
No ones ever says hos chin is great but neither does he have a glass chin either, Frankie Edgar gets rocked in his last two fights and he has a granite chin???
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
I don't think anyone has said Frankie's chin is granite
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well
we must not read the same websites, blogs, forums or watch the interviews and commentary.
Rashad, Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Bendo
Very possible
I’m only on here and HKL.
What I have heard said is that Frankie’s recovery is incredible, including his ability to come back from that adversity. IMO, there’s a difference between someone who recovers well from being rocked, like Frankie or Nick Diaz and someone who is never rocked like Hendo, whose chin IS granite.
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Frankie Edgar has good recovery
He doesn’t have a granite chin.
Evans arguably has good recovery.
Granite chin should be reserved for Mark Hunt, Pride Big Nog, Chris Lytle, and Cabbage Correira.
I think Jones’ punching power is greatly undersold because he doesn’t box very well, something Evans has the clear advantage in (both in technique and power).
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I don't like his chances either
but I’d say he actually has better chances than most, considering he’s trained with Bones and is a great wrestler and athlete.
But like I said, I actually don’t see him getting much further than Lyoto…
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I buy that
He probably has the best shot of anybody currently in the top 10 – like you said, great athlete, great MMA wrestler, enough power in his strikes to give Bones trouble, direct insight into Jones’ game and psyche – but I’m not sure Jones is beatable right now.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I hate agreeing with pdl because I don't think I've hit a single argument over prospects
With him (See: Hathaway, Oliveira at 155), but by the end of 2012 Alex Gustafsson probably could be a title contender and has the size and reach plus power to hang with Bones.
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This is possible
I don’t think Jones reacts well to getting hit and it’s going to be a fighter that can punish him on his feet that gets the upset. That said, Jones chin is great and his takedowns have proven unstoppable.
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Interesting you separate
Not reacting well to getting hit and his ability to take a punch. Would it be like Leben reacting well to getting hit (for Chris Leben) and taking a punch?
Jones does tend to backpedal a lot when he gets hit but you’re right he took good shots from Lyoto and was never wobbled.
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Yeah, the distinction I’m making is particular to the visceral reaction. Some fighters are able to walk straight through punches or at least keep their composure very well as the move defensively. Jones gets away with a lot of urgency any time a hard shot lands. However, I can’t recall ever seeing him actually rocked by a punch.
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Gustafsson
Is definitely the most intriguing potential challenger for Jones, especially assuming his ground game’s progressing at the rate we’d expect given his training with Phil Davis and the boys.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I've been really really impressed with him in his last two outings
He controls distance with great footwork and picked Hamill apart en route to the TKO. And he never let Vladdy get close to him in that short fight.
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New info from the "Path to MMA Fandom" post
Riddle>some JUCO wrestler>Jones
I WIN!!!
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Am I the only one that pictures Riddle talking
every time someone does a rendition of the the GSP is me meme?
Together we are Ruining Your Special Night. Twice.
Bahaha
Well, you’re not the only one now..
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He’s becoming a bona fide killer. What he did against Vladdy and Hamill was incredibly impressive; I hadn’t thought too much about his footwork, but you’re right, his movement is really smooth. He must be learning from Cruz.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
He's got great finishing skills
I don’t think he’s gone to a decision in a UFC fight, and he’s only gone the distance once.
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He reminds me
Of a more athletically gifted Condit, except he hooked up with a great camp young enough to forestall the development of any bad habits.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
He took a lot of heat for it in the Hamill fight (ridiculous) and used it to completely negate the wrestling. The fact that he throw that left straight as a reaction to Vlad jumping in shows incredible reaction time. He could seriously break out if he can continue his success at the top of the division.
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There's a ton to like there
I need to go back and watch his fights again; I’d forgotten everything about the Hamill fight but the finish.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 9, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Hamill fight was pretty forgettable
Until he stepped it up in the 2nd and smashed him.
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Well if we want to do MMAth
He beat the shit out of Machida and elbowed his forehead so bad it immediately opened up a cut on his only takedown. Oh yeah he also knocked him down with a punch before choking him senseless. Evans did jackshit against Machida bar create MMA’s best meme.
Bones also was never threatened by Rampage’s striking power and while he had trouble taking down Rampage at times, he mounted him the first time he took him down, and then choked him out the next time. Evans tagged Rampage early but did nothing else on the feet and did Wall n’Stall.
Two recent common opponents of Jones and Evans, Jones beat both while Evans is 1-1 and was about two punches away from taking a decision win into a TKO loss.
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I mean, you are smart enough to know that styles make fights
But I do enjoy your semantic exercises in MMAth and generally useless but illuminating statistics.
Maia insta tapped Sonnen. Sonnen grinded out Nate the Great. Nate insta brained Maia. What does that mean? Nothing. Styles makes fights. Shad has a better chance than you are giving him.
Shad relying on his explosive athleticism to counterstrike the counterstriking karate master got him KO’d. Great for the lulz. Real question: you think a rematch between Shad and Lyoto goes down the same way?
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Styles do make fights
I think Jones is a bad matchup for Rashad unless he somehow figures out his timing and even gets in Jones’ range to strike in the first place. Because I doubt he will be able to pin Jones down for 5 rounds.
The best stylistic matchup for Jones at 205 is probably Gustafsson at this point and even that Gustafsson has to best Lil Nog and someone else. I think to beat Jones you need to be about his size, have great striking, good defensive wrestling, and a Rip Hamilton-style plastic mask to prevent cuts on the elbow.
In a rematch between Rashad vs. Lyoto? I’m pretty sure Lyoto could starch Rashad on the feet again but I don’t know if Rashad wouldn’t be smarter to just go for the takedown on Machida or at least force it to the ground.
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Well, its weird that we’re arguing Bones Shad, and we both think Bones wins violently. I just think that Shad, having trained with Bones, may already have a leg up on the timing and distance that all the other guys who’ve fought Jones haven’t had.
I think Gustafsson gets raped by Jones in the clinch- unless he becomes a master of range by the time he’s sent to fight Bones.
And yeah, who knows how Shad Lyoto II plays out… That’s a fight I hope they make soon. No way we see even near a repeat of the first fight.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
The press conference
Reporter: Could you be clear about your practicing habits with Rashad since we can’t see you practice?
Jones: Anybody tell you that he beat me in practice… If, If, if Coach Jackson say he beat me in practice, and y’all hear it, then that’s that. I mean, Rashad might have took me down practice all year but if, if somebody say he held me down in practice, it could be one practice. Out of all the practices that year, that’s enough… that’s enough to get a whole lot started.
Reporter: So you and Rashad got caught up about practice?
Jones: Its…its easy … to, to talk about… It’s easy to sum it up when you’re just talking about practice. We’re sitting in here, and I’m supposed to be the franchise fighter, and we in here talking about practice. I mean, listen, we’re talking about practice, not a fight, not a fight, not a fight, we talking about practice. Not a fight. Not, not … Not the sport that I go out there and die for and fight every fight like it’s my last. Not the fight, but we’re talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? …
And we talking about practice. I know I supposed to beat him. I know I’m supposed to… I know that… And i’m not.. I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I do. I honestly do…
But we’re talking about practice man. What are we talking about? Practice? We’re talking about practice, man. (laughter from the media crowd) We’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice. We aint talking about the fight.(more laughter) We’re talking about practice, man. When you come to the arena, and you see me fight, you see me fight don’t you? You’ve seen me give everything I’ve got, right? But we’re talking about practice right now. We talking about pr… (Interrupted)
Reporter: But it’s an issue that your opponent continues to raise?
Bones: Man look, I hear you… it’s funny to me too, I mean it’s strange… it’s strange to me too, but we’re talking about practice man, we’re not even talking about the fight… the actual fight, when it matters… We’re talking about practice …
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by sun yue on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
crap
just go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 9, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
YAY!!!!!
Bocek vs Wiman is gonna be an absolute war in my mind, plus Mac freaking Danzig, ive always liked this guy, i nearly creamed myself when we knocked out Joe Daddy
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When /we/?
Not only does Mac Danzig post here but he’s also got split personalities.
Tragically, none of these personalities can beat Matt Wiman.
by les rallizes denudes on Feb 8, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
schuab and rothwell better not
be on the main card. rothwell is a joke.
They're two fairly well-known heavy weights, so I'd expect the match to be visible
However, considering their both coming off losses, I’d expect to see them on FX.
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dude
rothwell has looked absolutely terrible in ALL his ufc fights. not sure why hed be a well known heavyweight. and schuab only wins when hes fighting total cans. thats why they call him scrub. im cool with that fight being on the prelims, but not on the main card which im paying like 450 for floor seats to.
by UFC Champ 42O on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Rothwell's well known, because he's main evented every fight of his in the UFC
Against solid names like Cain, Yvel, and Hunt. I’m not touting their merits as skilled fighters here. Just saying that it wouldn’t surprise me to see them as the opener, but I think the FX card is more likely.
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Sorry, not main event, main card.
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Ben Rothwell was on the wrong end of side control against Mark Hunt
MARK HUNT.
MARK HUNT!!!!!
Ben shouldn’t even be in the top 25 he’s so bad.
Schaub by murder, which is why this fight will be entertaining.
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Yeah...
I haven’t been impressed by Big Ben in any of his UFC outings but that was a new low
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by UFC Champ 42O on Feb 9, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
You realize just below this he said they'd be on the main card, right?
And I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just saying where I thought the fight would end up.
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Schaub seems to knock people out, or rely on his boxing to win
Rothwell can take a f’cking punch…I mean…I’m not going to be shocked if Rothwell comes out flurrying and catches Schaub and puts him away.
Schaub doesn’t have the best chin for a heavyweight.
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I'd rather Griggs/Browne opened if it's gotta be a HW Slobberknocker
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my vote is this
Main card
Jon Jones © vs. Rashad Evans
Carlos Condit (ic) vs Nick Diaz!!!!!!! MAKE IT FUCKING HAPPEN. or Cain vs Mir!!
Miguel Torres vs. Michael McDonald
Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills
Travis Browne vs. Chad Griggs
Mark Bocek vs. Matt Wiman
Preliminary card
Brendan Schaub vs. Ben Rothwell
Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin
John Makdessi vs. Anthony Njokuani
Mac Danzig vs. Efrain Escudero
Keith Wisniewski vs. Chris Clements
Marcus Brimage vs. Maximo Blanco
Six fight main card is rare
I like your thinking, though.
I’d do Mir vs. Bigfoot or Cain as co-main.
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UFC on FOX is going to LA in August
Wonder if they’ll do that fight there.
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Good luck man.
I doubt immensely that they give a Jones card a solid co-main; especially Jones/Evans. 135 had a shitty ass co-main, as did 128.
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As long as there are no injuries leading upto this card
then I’m happy.
I know people hate MMAth, but...
Common opponents:
Quinton Jackson
Evans: Decision Win (3)
Jones: Strangulation Win (4)
Lyoto Machida
Evans: KO Loss (2)
Jones: Strangulation Win (2)
Stephan Bonnar
Evans: Decision Win (Majority)
Jones: Decision Win (Unanimous)
Good fucking luck with that, Evans.
No, you're not drunk. I am this good-looking.
Does it really matter that much?
So there’s no legit co-main..who cares? I look at this card as having a legit, can’t miss main event and several good main card fights. Good enough for me.
I don't remember the exact quote, but it went something like this: Rogan: "Edwin has an excellent muay thai style. And Alex..he just fights like some kind of kung-fu action movie star." I Lol'ed.
how is Griggs placeholder photo not a picture of his chops
lame
might as well be spinning white circle of buffery doom
¬_¬
by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Feb 9, 2012 6:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Chad’s sideburns have engulfed his entire head.
by sheldonlevene on Feb 9, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s going to be a special night.
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by dribblebib on Feb 9, 2012 6:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Jones notched his record up quick
17-1 to Rashads 15-1-1 when Rashad has years more experience
Shows their strength/weakness of schedule
Rashad will be 16-2-1 in 2015
mixed up the numbers there I thinks
bones has 15 W’s and rashad has 17
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by the guy with the big nose on Feb 9, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
all signs point to it
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by the guy with the big nose on Feb 9, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
it won't be by fighting jones
he’ll find another way
i suspect dana will get mad and dock him a win while he’s waiting out a second title shot
you wait, it’ll happen
He only has one win over Ortiz.
First fight was a draw.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 9, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
why is it
that HW’s always get a nice main card spot, pretty much regardless of recent form, while the little guys are stuck at the prelims?
I don’t think neither casuals or hardcores preferes sloppy, gassed-out fighting compared to high speed action.
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by the guy with the big nose on Feb 9, 2012 7:39 AM EST reply actions
It's blowing my mind, but apparently the heavyweight division has some sort of "knockout appeal" or something.
Apparently some people are more excited to see Ben Rothwell than Michael Macdonald.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 9, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm loving this card.
People are really sleeping on Che Mills. He is real good and Rory will probably beat him but I think it’s going to be a great fight. Torres/McDonald is obviously going to be a great fight. I’ve never seen a boring Chad Griggs fight and Rothwell/Schaub will be ok if Schuab loses.
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Oh ya and Jones/Evans is a given
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
UFC seems to be rolling with this as a thought process for fight cards lately
Put on a huge main event, and put a lot of other fighters who could use exposure on the undercard, but aren’t necessarily big names. I griped about the Super Bowl weekend card, but overall this one is much more appealing. I REALLY want to see every main card fight (with the exception of maybe Schaub/Rothwell, but even that should be decent) and there’s a bunch of undercard fighters I want to see, especially Maximo Blanco.
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