Carlos Condit Vs. Nick Diaz Rematch Becomes Official Amid Managerial Confusion
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 8, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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PrintLast night on The Underground, a story broke that Carlos Condit had accepted a rematch with Nick Diaz following Condit's decision win at UFC 143. The news set off a small chain of tweets that have left some wondering if the UFC bypassed the management of the fighters (especially Condit manager, Malki Kawa) in getting the fight done. It's something that the UFC has done in the past, so it wouldn't be shocking.
First, the news on The Underground:
However, sources close to the deal just confirmed with The Underground that Carlos Condit has accepted a rematch with Nick Diaz, with the UFC Interim Welterweight title again on the line.
Condit said 'Yes, I accept the rematch' and will be in Las Vegas on Friday to finalize the deal.
First, Ariel Helwani had a tweet reacting to the news:
@arielhelwani
Ariel Helwani . @theug is reporting the Diaz-Condit rematch is on, however, Condit's manager @malkikawa says: "Far from true. We haven't accepted nything"
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Something Malki quickly backed up on his own Twitter:
@malkikawa
malki kawa Rumors about carlos and nick are not true. We haven't been offered any fight nor accepted anything.
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Update: Mistake with the headline given that Diaz has not accepted the fight that I know of. The fight isn't official, simply Condit's acceptance of it.
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Malki would reverse course thirty minutes later:
@malkikawa
malki kawa Well, the powers to be just called. @CarlosCondit and myself will be in vegas and hope to have an announcement on fri... :)
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As I said earlier, it's not unheard of for the UFC to bypass managers and try to get the fighters to agree to certain bouts directly as it is usually much easier for negotiations. A manager worth his salt would almost certainly go into negotiations for a rematch trying to get some sort of rematch clause added to the agreement, ensuring that if their fighter lost and the "series" became 1-1 they would be granted an immediate rematch.
If the UFC could simply go to Carlos and get an agreement to take the fight for just a small bump in pay or something along those lines, it basically kills the whole negotiating process and lines up the Diaz vs. Georges St. Pierre fight that they really want.
The phrasing on Dana's twitter confirming the bout would seem to back that up to a degree:
@danawhite
Dana White @justScrap85 @carloscondit @malkikawa the rumor is true. Carlos did accept the fight today and Carlos is coming on Friday not thur.
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While it's certainly a difficult game to try to read into language, for Dana to say that the fight was accepted by Carlos "today" and not "just accepted" or "accepted tonight" makes me think that they did go directly to Carlos earlier in the day to work things out.
The end result is good for us fans though, Diaz and Condit stepping back into the cage for another go-round.
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Malki will deny everything
as far as he is concerned Condit probably asked him to do so, ill only trust something that comes from Dana or Carlos, if Dana said he spoke to carlos and he said yes, then that pretty much solidifies it other than the ink on the paper when they sign the contract, hope no injuries happen.
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We're going to see this fight
until the UFC gets the results it wants.
by fhitshaced on Feb 8, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No
The UFC will get the desired results come hell or high water this next time. I’d love it of Diaz didn’t accept it.
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by dedstrk316 on Feb 8, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No matter what happens this time around, the winner will be facing GSP upon his return. It doesn’t matter if it is just as controversial as the first, they won’t be able to sell a third fight to the fans. In general, I hate rematches, especially in a division full of great fighters. I’d rather see Carlos fight the winner of Ellenberger-Sanchez or Alves-Kampmann or Johnny Hendricks. There are too many interesting match ups to keep making the same fight.
Unless what GSP was saying is true and not just bluster
We could see him give up his belt to face Diaz. I am sure it was just heat of the moment talk though.
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by dedstrk316 on Feb 8, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Condit had a great gameplan but...
If you win like that, you have to be ready for some controversy and a potential rematch. If he dominated Diaz, beat him up, submitted him, etc. there would be no problem.
By going in with his very smart, but tentative gameplan, he opened himself up to this counter — a rematch.
by Charlie Offenbacher on Feb 8, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing that made this result less definitive was Diaz taking his back in the 4th
Or it was 4 rounds Condit all day… Shit some would argue he won the 5th anyway.
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If Condit wins again is there gonna be another rematch?
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by StevenGiles on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
I want Diaz to win, but I hope not. A 3rd fight would be very stupid. Needs a decisive finish.
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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
best out of til Diaz wins
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by dedstrk316 on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no because this rematch is happening since the decision is controversial
seriously some people are just fucking stubborn as hell in BE.
even though I believe Diaz won (by taking 1, 2, and 5) but I also see the arguments why people think Condit took 2nd so he took 2, 3, and 4 and i will gladly accept the fact that this was a close fight. but some people are just bitching and saying “oh condit won hands down, diaz is just being a cry baby.” people seriously think Condit won by that far?
at first, I was like “what the fuck, Diaz obviously won” but after I read some people’s opinions on why they think condit won the fight, I tried to see the fight from their point of view and also agreed that their argument is very solid, and im pretty sure many other people did the same think (from both diaz and condit sides) but some people won’t give a shit about what other people think and they just keep being sarcastic. this fight is just like penn vs. edgar I and machida vs. shogun I. well first one was very close so why don’t we just do it again?
So people, let’s just stop bitching and wait for the rematch. I’m pretty sure when Condit took the rematch, he would try not only to beat diaz but to beat the fuck out of diaz so no one would make an argument about the fight again. and vice versa for Nick Diaz.
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by DK_Monster on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 14 recs
If it goes to another decision...
That’d be 4 for Carlos in his last 7 fights. Just noticed that… WW is a tough division.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Dude, I thought you were already going to throw him under the bus and start complaining a la GSP haters. WW is a freakishly tough division at the top, and the athletes all have the stamina to go the full 5, and the defense not to be easily put out. I personally think that based on the average heights of human beings, you’ll have the most athletes around that weight class, and hence you will find more of the best athletes in the world at that weight class, and because of that, WW needs draws or extension rounds. Optimally, extension rounds based on rounds called as draws would be the best thing.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
for the Diaz supporters
please see FightMetric scoring of the fight.
The strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must.
Fightmetric isn’t the end-all. Just look at werduam-overeem, for example. But I agree that there shouldn’t be an imm rematch—Condit’s next opp should be with usain bolt.
by thuggis on Feb 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
kidding aside, even as a diaz fan, i’d rather see some different matchups, say, diaz vs. kampmann, and condit vs. hendricks.
Condit vs Ellenberge(If he wins v Sanchez) And Hendricks vs Diaz
Id like to see those fights, Ellenberger is on fire at the moment and the rematch would be awesome to see, It would also legitimize his title shot should he win with victories over 3 top WW’s in Shields, Sanchez and Condit.
Hendricks has a tailor made style to beat Diaz so it will be interesting to see if Nick can finally beat a good top control fighter, If he cant then he never would have stood a chance against GSP anyway.
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Can't rec this enough.
Nailed it.
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Right now it seems like they may not even take the rematch.
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The plot thickens
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
yes
they will keep rematching until Diaz wins.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
In before Diaz haters start crying
Oops, too late.
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by IKiIIed007 on Feb 8, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
so all people who scored it for condit...
are diaz haters ? got it!
Not what I said.
Just because someone scored it for Condit doesn’t necessarily mean that person wouldn’t want to see a rematch. But the Diaz haters absolutely are against a rematch.
See?
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You Diaz lovers took all the tissues before we even had a chance to squeak out a tear lol
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So whenever a fight doesn’t play out how the UFC wanted it for their big money match we’re going to do rematch after rematch until the results are.. “right”?
by blutspender on Feb 8, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sigh
Least deserved UFC rematch, ever.
And I say that as a big fan of both Diaz and Condit.
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by skeebop on Feb 8, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Is it? Thats actually a good question……….what honestly is the least deserved rematch in UFC history……..? Hughes/GSP III?
I don’t mind Hughes\GSP III, because even though GSP stomped him once, Hughes was the most dominant WW in the history of the sport. In my book, that kind of run earns you a rematch when you lose your title.
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Actually, strange as it sounds, especially in hindsight...
Rampage \ Silva III was probably the least deserved match, at the time the fight was booked.
Still, their first fights were out of the UFC, so maybe that doesn’t count.
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by tigerlee on Feb 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought
The first fight was a great watch, who wouldn’t want to see them rematch? Esp if its only in 3 months time, maybe time for 1 more defence before GSP is back even.
:-)
maybe time for 1 more defence before GSP is back even
This is extremely unlikely, even if there is time.
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed that fight, but I just don’t see this as necessary. There are other fights for the interim title I’d rather see and that make more sense.
And it makes no sense for Condit. His strategy for beating Diaz invovles a style many people don’t like, and losing to him negates his previous win.
There are other fights for the interim title I’d rather see and that make more sense
Which fights do you have in mind?
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
So let me predict the card this fight will be on….
DIaz vs Condit
Pierce vs Koscheck
Figueroa vs Caceres
Riddle vs Martinez
It would make sense. If you have a rematch for one close fight, why not the others, especially considering the Diaz Condit fight was actually a UD and the others were split. They’ve gotta rematch all of them then surely?
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by StevenGiles on Feb 8, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Kinda different when there's a title at stake.
But hey, don’t let that little detail disrupt your logic.
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by Worldisart on Feb 8, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
terrible fight
I don’t get it at all. Condit is able to stay away from diaz off the fence, where all other guys lose to him. He’s able to ignore Diaz’s taunts where other guys get flustered and drop whatever game plan they had. he outstrikes the guy who is known to be this volume puncher and now he has to fight him again?
Let’s see if Diaz learns how to cut off his opponent in the next few weeks or if he’s just going to go in there and taunt him til he gets what he wants.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
weak teeps and leg kicks
Does not equate out striking, especially when Diaz outlanded Conduit in hand strikes. Also, a lot of the UFC fighters said that Diaz won. The only people that don’t like this match up are nuthuggers, and raging haters.
by juanchoD on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
While Diaz was throwing hand strikes, Condit threw three spinning back fists, two flying knees, more then enough head kicks and enough punches that would have dropped most other fighters. To say Condit threw only leg kicks is ignorant.
And for every UFC fighter that thinks Diaz won there are enough other UFC fighters that had Condit winning.
People who don’t like this match up might be nuthuggers and Diaz-haters but don’t forget the huge amount of people who have no hatred towards either fighter who just think the fight is completely unnecessary.
According to the UFC’s own website
http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations#14
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in © above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
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I’m not sure if this is directed to my post, but with this in mind Condit won the fight quite easily: His striking was more effective then Diaz, he controlled the fight area by dictating where the fight took place (not against the cage) and effective defense would go to him as well. One could argue that effective aggressiveness could go to Diaz but then you would have to wonder in how far his aggressiveness was effective when most of his strikes didn’t really do any damage to Condit. Effective Grappling is a tossup – Condit defended two out of three takedown-attempts. Diaz got back control and a submission attempt but couldn’t do anything with it for 90 seconds while Condit managed to sweep and gain a dominant position in the last seconds.
Condit did not sweep
Diaz tried a hail-marry-armbar, lost it and therefore gave Condit dominant position.
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A hail mary armbar?
Didn’t Nick himself say that he didn’t put much effort into the armbar but would have if he’d known he was behind on the scorecards?
That's what it was
No matter what he said (I think he said “Should’ve finished that armlock” in the post-fight interview). You could see him trying to set stuff up until he was informed that there were only seconds left, then went for the armbar.
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yes,
and I think it’s credible, but very ironic. Diaz was basically saying here he thought he had the decision and didn’t try as hard as he could have in that situation, which some of the serious fanboys have overlooked IMO.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Sounds completely illogical to me. For that, Nick hat to sit there and say to himself: “Ah, fuck those 65.000$ Sub-of-the-night-bonus I will 100% guaranteed receive for a last-second armbar win, I’ll just coast to my surefire win, because I really don’t feel like putting extra effort in this…I am STILL gonna go for the armbar though and give up the position I could use to ride out the round in dominant position”.
Do you really think that happened? i don’t.
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I think he was incredibly frustrated
I think he was feeling things he hasn’t felt in a fight situation in a long long time. Even as I write this, I acknowledge that it is speculation, but what the hell, I am polite about it and this is a blog after all.
But it’s his own words, and yeah, I think if he really thought he was losing he might have kicked it up a little bit more. I actually also think that Diaz in the rematch will take him down and sub him, because I think his game is way better than Condit’s there.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I disagree, obviously. Your theory makes no sense to me.
I agree though his ground game is far superior to Condits. Unfortunately I think Condit will be prepared and his TDD will be too good for Diaz. I see the rematch going like the first one, only Carlos will be more refined and win a bit more conclusively.
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I'm sure he was prepared this time
It didn’t stop him from getting drug to the ground and having his back mounted.
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Once, after several rather pathetic attempts. So I’d say, if that is Diaz’ strategy: good luck.
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Once out of 3 attempts
and took his back.
This fight is making people so crazy/bitter/mad, I don’t get it.
I think I’m gonna stay away from BE for a while.
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I'm not bitter
I’m even in the “I scored it for Diaz”-camp. I want Diaz GSP more than Condit GSP. But I can’t see Diaz outwrestling Condit. That one takedown was from Condit getting out of position or something if I remember correctly. It wasn’t Diaz taking Condit down because he planned to, but because the occasion allowed it. May not happen again.
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Its not just you
Very few people are being realistic or level-headed.
Either you think one person clearly won or you’re stupid, a nuthugger, blind, delusional etc.
Its all stupid. I’d rather not waste my time anymore.
For the record, he took his back standing and drug him down and mounted his back. Clearly intentional.
I don’t even understand how it could be seen any other way.
But this fight as that ability.
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What I meant was: it wasn’t like he cornered him, pushed him against the fence and proceeded to strategically take him down. It was more like “Condit missed a shot, turned too much, allowed Nick to take him down”. At least that’s how I remember the sequence. It wasn’t forced by Diaz but he used an opportunity that arose. Maybe I remember that wrong. I’m really not trying to spin this one way or the other. I just have a hard time believing Nicks wrestling is good enough for a gameplan that relies on a takedown against Condit. That is all.
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For one
There’s no such thing as sweeping while back mounted.
Two, being in someone’s guard is not a dominant grappling position. Especially if that someone is Nick Diaz.
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Head kicks that barely
Made Nick’s head move back,spinning techniques that never landed. If I remember correctly, Only the fighters in Jackson’s camp said Conduit won, although I may be wrong, so don’t quote me on it.
by juanchoD on Feb 8, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re wrong in terms of the fighters who thought Condit won. Don’t equate effect with intent: Carlos threw the vast majority of his strikes – including a flush head kick, flying knees, and spinning strikes – with bad intentions; the fact that Diaz shrugged them off says more about his toughness than Condit trying to pitter-patter his way to a points win.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
None of the spinning elbows or flying knees landed
They all missed or were blocked.
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I didn't say they landed
But they are relevant to thinking about Condit’s intent during the fight – point fighting or throwing with bad intentions.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but you said Nick shrugged them off which sounded like it was Diaz’ resilience that saved him from being stopped when it was Condit unable to land the mentioned strikes he threw with bad intentions. Not to say the ones he landed didn’t have power as well, but what he managed to land and the majority of what he threw were not the techniques you mention.
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Well
He did land a flush high kick and one of the spinning elbows (it went off the top of Diaz’s head). Of course they weren’t the majority of what he threw: you can’t build a gameplan around high-risk strikes, they have to be set up. With that said, the fact that he included them at all is why I have a hard time buying the “point fighting” meme.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The high kick was about as much “point fighting” as a kick like that can be. That’s why Diaz shrugged it off. No way Condit throws a “real” HK and Diaz just takes it. You could even see a world of difference between the majority of “leg jabs” Condit threw and the occasional “real” leg-kick.
And don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying Condit didn’t want to finish if opportunity arose. Those spinning elbows looked like they would’ve been nasty. But his gameplan pretty clearly was a point-fighting-strategy and these techniques were just “if you can throw them safely, why not”. But that is beside the point. I just wanted to state that the techniques in question did not land at all and that is why they had no effect, not because Diaz was so tough. That was all. No agenda, no further point.
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Dude
Trying to talk to a fan about logic isn’t worth it. If you see someone write a post in which they intentionally misspell a fighter’s name, you might as well just quit. Your talking youtube comment conversation there, and you aren’t going to convince someone who is so willing to disrespect because they’re not speaking from the mind. Other key terms for youtube commenters are “Nutthugger” and “Butthurt.” If you see those in a ost not used ironically, thinking you’re in a conversation is a mistake- you just interrupted their anger.
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by DankNabbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair point
Just trying to raise the quality of discourse whenever I can.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
GSP threw head kicks at Shields, does that mean he was going for the kill? As for landing flush head kicks, that kind of proves the point, doesn’t it? Do you really think that Condit doesn’t have enough power to knock Diaz on his ass from a full-power head kick that landed flush?
As for the flying knees and spinning elbows, if they landed, who knows? But you’re losing the forest for the trees. Condit’s primary goal was clearly to stay out of danger and go for the decision. If one of those strikes landed and knocked Diaz down or out, great, but it’s not like they were his primary goal.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. GSP was trying to finish Shields with high kicks, and I don’t think Condit has enough power to floor Diaz, period. One of the memes that’s running around in the aftermath of this fight is that Carlos has unquestionable fight-ending power on his feet and chose not to use it, and one flush left hook against Dan Hardy aside, he really doesn’t. His finishes by strikes tend to be barrages of punches, not one-punch KOs.
You’re making my point for me. If those strikes had landed cleanly, we’d be having a much different conversation, but they didn’t. The fact that they missed doesn’t mean Condit was uninterested in finishing the fight, it means those strikes (all incredibly high-risk techniques) missed. If I had to guess, I’d say that Carlos’ initial plan was to batter Diaz with low kicks and then, once his mobility was severely impaired, to pour it on in the later rounds. The fact that Diaz shrugged everything off meant that Condit simply stuck to the original gameplan.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you're getting the point
Condit’s game plan was not to set up his strikes to end the fight. They were to land low risk shots and get away. The fact that he threw potentially finishing strikes does not mean that was his primary goal (just like it wasn’t GSP’s primary goal in the Shields fight).
As for Condit’s finishing power, you say that he doesn’t have it, then you say we’d be having a different conversation if his strikes landed cleanly. Then you forgot you mentioned that his head kicks were landing flush. So which is it? He has finishing ability or he doesn’t? His strikes landed cleanly or they didn’t?
Whatever the case, at least we can agree that Condit didn’t fight his usual way, right?
Agreed that he didn't fight his usual way
Disagree on everything else. At no point did I say that Condit doesn’t have finishing ability: I said he doesn’t have one-punch KO power. There’s a difference: some guys are finishers in spite of their lack of top-notch power (Condit and Diaz being two of the very best examples). What those guys have is the innate ability to sense when their opponent is hurt and pour it on.
As far as the high kicks are concerned, just about anybody should be finished by one that lands cleanly (Roop-Jung, e.g.), but Diaz just doesn’t go down.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Royce Gracie, vitor, Anderson, mayhem, munoz, lindland, Hendo, Ronda rousey, jens pulver, pat miletich, Josh Neer, Joe lauzon, cung le, ellenberger, Duke Roufus and bas rutten
All have gone on record as saying Diaz won. I guess they are all nuthuggers.
You misinterpreted me
The people that don’t want the fight to happen again, that INSIST that Conduit won dominantly are the nuthuggers and raging haters.
by juanchoD on Feb 8, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You misinterpreted me
The people that don’t want the fight to happen again, that INSIST that Conduit won dominantly are the nuthuggers and raging haters.
by juanchoD on Feb 8, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You misinterpreted me
The people that don’t want the fight to happen again, that INSIST that Conduit won dominantly are the nuthuggers and raging haters.
by juanchoD on Feb 8, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
nuthuggers, and raging haters
And rational fans who don’t want to see the same fight twice.
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i don't get it
you can gift-wrap diaz all the opportunities and second chances you want. sooner or later he is going to step into the cage with GSP, and no matter how much trash gets talked beforehand, he is going to get squashed, most likely in a thoroughly un-entertaining way. if condit can “win boring” over diaz, you really think GSP can’t? this is not fucking paul daley, scott smith or bj penn we are talking about.
after last saturday, who in their right minds wants to see gsp take on diaz?
if condit is going to fight a rematch, it should be against ellenberger.
by Clifford J on Feb 8, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thats the interesting thing about all this, its a total clusterfuck loss for the UFC no matter what. If Condit beats Diaz, more then likely its going to be with the same strategy, which will kill once and for all any marketability he has with casual fans (and yes, BE hardcores, another performance like the other night will not be stood for from 70% of the fans who buy PPVs, regardless of if it was a winning strategy or not). If Diaz wins, GSP will be able to do literally anything he wants with that guy. That will be an easier fight then GSP/Hughes III, totally uncompetitive. Its a mess.
no kidding
gsp has:
-the best wrestling in mma, or close to it
-some of the best striking in mma, from a pure “point scoring” perspective
-a longer reach than diaz
-a black belt in jiu jitsu
-a conservative, calculating personality and very little shame about out-pointing his opponents
the Diaz fans have taken the position that Nick will rush in there and FORCE GSP to engage. but if he can force condit to fight him, what chance does he have against GSP?
you are absolutely right. it will be an easier fight than GSP/Hughes III. it will just be way longer and probably won’t end with such a dynamic finish. the only way it ends at all is a cut over the eye.
of course, you never really KNOW for sure till you fight the fight. but there’s no reason to think otherwise.
You know whats funny?
Look at GSP’s PPV buys. They are higher then most other fighters. So obviously, aside from all the vitriol, lots and lots and LOTS of people like his fights. This is a quantifiable fact. The meme that GSP fights are boring and won’t sell are just demonstrably WRONG. This is one aspect of the fanbase I don’t get.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
hey dude
not saying GSP is boring, i’m a big GSP fan. i’m just saying if you think GSP/Diaz is exciting because Diaz will MAKE it exciting, you’re wrong. odds are GSP/Diaz will be whatever GSP wants it to be and Diaz will have nothing to say about it.
I agree with your point
I was commenting more “in general.” Actually, I think your last sentence states perfectly my thoughts as well.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
They're wingspan is almost equal
but Diaz is much taller so he will still have a significant reach advantage.
The taller fighter has the better angles. Punching down is much easier than punching up.
Another huge factor is that Diaz is a southpaw. GSP’s whole striking game is his jab. Jabbing a southpaw effectively is extremely difficult. Jabbing a tall one with great range is nearly impossible to do with any sort of consistency.
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those are both good points.
i still don’t see any reason to get too excited over GSP/Diaz in light of what happened in GSP/Condit, but thanks for the good points.
ts a total clusterfuck loss for the UFC no matter what
Not really, seeing as the GSP – Diaz fight would probably sell very well.
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
As would Condit GSP
or GSP anyone. Because GSP sells the fuck outta fight cards, despite the popular belief that people find him boring. Dude’s one of the biggest draws in the business, period.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
my thoughts exactly
why not another contender? I dont understand the Diaz push if White himself said he had Condit winning…
by Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
this is bullshit
I got 20 bucks that says if Carlos loses the rematch by close decision there won’t be a third fight until after GSP-Diaz…
by Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions
Of course not!
The UFC will be like, “Carlos who?” and proceed with GSP vs. Diaz like they originally wanted.
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by William Wilson on Feb 8, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Of course not. But that’s because after the second match GSP will likely be back and then it’s title-unification time. What should they do, let their cashcow Georges sit out longer till Diaz & Condit have completed their trilogy? Keep two belts around and make GSP fight somebody who is not Interim-Champ? There’s no other way than to proceed with the real title-fight unless St. Pierre is out longer than expected. If he is and if the second fight is a close win for Diaz, they might do a third after all.
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This
But look at the premise. “Cash Cow GSP.” you know why you said that? Because a TON of people love him and love watching him fight. So why do people keep thinking that GSP vs ANYONE won’t sell? I am baffled here. GSP vs Hardy would sell better than most other cards you could put together, right now. I said that as an example of a ridiculous fight to make that would be valueless and have no relevance. But because it’s GSP, it will sell. I say this because people keep trying to say that GSP Condit won’t sell. I don’t think the dropoff in sales will be anything like people think for Condit GSP
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Don't ask me
I made the same argument a bit further down :)
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my thinking is...
the build up to GSP vs Condit would sell the fight…it’s too Jackson fighters going head to head with out the stupid Jones Evans drama…
by Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
The less Malki Kawa is involved in anything
The better.
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I missed the first fight
so this is welcome news. Plus, it was either this or Condit sits on the shelf until November right?
It is known
I don't understand this at all.
Diaz lost. End of story. I wrote this in a post but the door swings both ways. If Diaz is really that good then give him a fight and if he wins, then great, put him up against the champ, no biggie. Why does everyone automatically assume that since Condit didn’t finish him that he should have to “prove himself” again? He did once. Make Diaz climb his way back up.
Kind of a no brainer.
If Alvarez Aoki 2 can happen (and that was a LEGITIMATE loss for Alvarez) then a highly controversial decision is much easier to rematch. It happened with Edgar-Maynard…so if it happens deal with it or buy out Zuffa.
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Did someone mention UFC 143?
I don’t remember that. Anyway WAR Diaz!
lol pretty accurate on south korea
in korean mma forums, people are still talking about this fight and 50% support Diaz and the other 50% support Condit
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by Steve1717 on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Would you like to play a game?
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
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by Hutchy on Feb 8, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What they need to be concerned with is if people want to see part 2
I enjoyed the fight personally, but lots of people still seem mad.
stuff from middleeasy holds no power here...
people out there live in diaz’s pants.
it's from ufc.com
middleeasy took the screenshot. you may visit ufc.com if you wish to verify.
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Kinda feel bad for Condit
It was painfully obvious that the UFC brass didn’t want Condit to win, and now they’re trying to get the GSP vs Diaz fight any way they can. Condit may have accepted, but this isn’t fair to him whatsoever.
→↓↘P
I'm fairly certain that Mr Condit is getting paid as a result of this
so i’m happy for him
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Getting paid is always nice, but being labeled a coward by fans and peers isn’t. I feel bad for him because he’s getting absolutely no respect from many people. His gameplan was solid in my book, and I feel like it’s time to move on.
→↓↘P
by Dr. Octagon on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
"Getting absolutely no respect" is a total exaggeration
the mma fanbase/fighters/industry are split 50/50 over this. it’s a philosophical debate at this point.
100+% raise, high profile feud over the WW title… there’s almost nothing to pity about condit’s situation.
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please
the mma fanbase/fighters/industry are split 50/50 over this. it’s a philosophical debate at this point.
100+% raise, high profile feud over the WW title… there’s almost nothing to pity about condit’s situation.
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I’m not Trying to be be contrary , but the vast majority of Condit’s peers that aren’t associated with Jacksons have shat all over Condit. Duke Roufus basically flat out called him a coward publicly. I’ve never seen such a big victory get so completely shit on outside of the BE hardcore echo chamber. Wagenheim has an article up on another site about how Condit’s peers have basically crapped on him.
by Hutchy on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is a "Wagenheim"?
Link!
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they do
the UFC keep doing Condit wrong time after time but the thing is starting from the third round Condit looked much better than Diaz and it seemed he figured Diaz out. Now Diaz is not known for versatility and ability to adapt, while Condit has all the weapons to beat Diaz, so if I were Condit I’d be happy to fight Diaz again, coz I’d probably alreayd have enough confidence and understanding how to beat Diaz. If Condit fought Ellenberger now that would be much tougher challenge. And I wouldn’t care about casual fans, coz when you’re the champ you’re the champ, no matter how did you get there.
Your post is Phallocentric
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
to be honest, i think that played in a lil too
but the first fight was razor thin close too so i dont mind watching their rematch
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Don't feel sorry for him
He is getting a huge rub off all of this.
I love both....
I was really torn in picking a winner, but it was 110% clear that Condit stuck to his game plan & didn’t allow Diaz to get “in his head”. So, I am really confused on 1) why r ppl griping ’bouta the decision 2) why is a rematch even an option at this moment????
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by lmhw24 on Feb 8, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
1) he definitely stuck to his game plan
but that game plan was backing up and landing some counters
and there is a judging criteria in mma called “aggressiveness” which he was clearly lacking in first two rounds.
also in second round, condit landed more shots but most of them were leg kicks and Diaz outlanded in head and body shots.
2) why not? in pre-fight conference, dana said GSP hurried rehab but hes still out for long time, so condit might need a fight and this could be a great fight since the first one was too close
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1) According to the UFC’s own website
http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations#14
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in © above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
2) Ellenberger and Hendrix are both viable options instead of Diaz
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by Garbanzo on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure why everyone's down on Malki Kawa
I know as a manager people don’t exactly care for the guy, but from what I’m getting from this article, the UFC was going to have a rematch between the two one way or another no matter who Carlos’ manager is/was
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by jack knight starman on Feb 8, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions
I enjoyed the first fight
and will probably enjoy this one too.
It will be interesting to see how Diaz adjusts.
There’s gonna be a lot of shit talking from at least one camp leading up to this fight.
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More Money
I have no idea what kind of money gets thrown @ these guys to take fights that really aren’t in their best interest, but I bet it’s a bunch. I don’t believe for a second that Condit would take a fight like this with no real upside without a significant motivation from Uncle Dana. Maybe he got some PPV points for becoming champ and wants another big Payday before fighting GSP, or maybe Dana threw a million at him to take the fight, but he seems entirely too smart to take a fight that is this risky against the will of his management without something significant in it for him.
There's also the fact that it's another payday
Fighters get paid when they fight. If Condit is confident he can beat Diaz again, he’ll get paid a big chunk of money for doing that and still get to fight GSP when GSP is ready. He’ll make a whole lot more money by beating Diaz and then fighting GSP than he will by sitting around for nine months and then fighting GSP.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
It’s called prize fighting. Saying there is no upside, then talking about money is kind of silly. Money is the upside for most fights, and a significant factor that goes into the decision.
not many top fighters get a chance to make a lot of money fighting a big name guy that they actually know they can beat. This is especially true in this case because this rematch is a lot better than all the other options out there.
I guess I mean that there’s just a lot of possible downside. Fighting GSP pretty much guarantees 750k PPV buys which I’m sure will translate into a much better payday than whatever fight Condit would get if he loses this rematch. It seems really odd that he took the fight that fast against his manager’s advice without secondary motivation. Maybe he did, but it seems unlikely that he doesn’t have Dana’s checkbook motivating him. I didn’t think the decision was that controversial, and even saying it is, this wasn’t a fight like Edgar/Maynard II where I was lusting for 5 more rounds hours after the fight.
by mooseknuckle on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
You missed my point.
Dana’s checkbook is NOT secondary motivation. It is the primary motivation for every fighter. GSP guarantees 750k ppv buys in 9 months. A big fight with diaz guarantees him a lot of money in the interim, and a win makes the GSP fight even bigger.
I understand that it’s the primary motivation, I just think that there was probably more “motivation” thrown in with taking this fight in addition to his contracted motivation.
by mooseknuckle on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to bet
That Carlos agreed to the rematch in return for a PPV cut. If he didn’t, then Malki should be fired immediately.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
You mean the Malki that was probably bypassed by the UFC?
If the speculation in the article is correct, Condit is an idiot. If the UFC calls him directly, his only words should be: “Talk to my manager”. Because that’s why he has a manager.
Plus: Negotiations aren’t over, they will agree on the money-side on friday.
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by KGNLuc on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Condit negotiated in any way without his manager
he deserves what he gets. Seriously, if you manager is really a personal assistant, you’re missing the point and paying too much.
This last event, of Condit apparently accepting a fight directly with the UFC without his manager, is totally fucking stupid and self defeating. In every way this reflects badly on Condit, and here is why:
There is a reason to have a manager.
1: If you keep a manager, and pay him manager money, then if he is bad it is your fault. You are the boss and traditionally in other areas managers get 10-15%, which is a lot of money at champ level ppv. If you keep a manager who sucks, you are making a mistake. Fire him and hire a personal assisstant or a bookkeeper. Save money.
2: If your manager is good OR BAD, and you endgame him, you are taking money out of your own pocket. Good or bad, you just undermine his negotiating position and that means you get less $$. It’s a whole different conversation if your manager gets to not even have the rematch on the table when he starts dealing. If he comes to the table and it’s a done deal except for the details, publicly accepted via internet, AND they know that the fighter doesn’t respect you EITHER- enough to let you do your job that is- what do you have to work with? Jack Shit. Look, Condit still will get a decent deal, because I think Dana White isn’t gonna lowball a guy who has been a total classy team player, but he is being totally fucking NAIVE about how he handled this.
If your Manager is GOOD, and you do this, then you are just a dupe.
This is how he should have done it. He gets a call from Dana. He says, Dana, I will put you on with my guy, thank you for the offer and the call, I respect you, but this is a business and I let my business people handle that. This is all in a calm, clear, polite tone. Then you call your guy and scream and yell, laugh or cry, get excited or pissed off, and you let him know what outcome you want, and then YOU LET HIM GO GET IT. THATS WHY YOU PAY THEM.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't agree more
Agreeing to the fight without involving your manager puts a huge dent in your leverage in terms of the contract negotiations. On the other hand, Malki’s not exactly a rocket scientist, so maybe he wouldn’t be losing much if anything.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah
my point is that he needs to fire this guy ASAP, or else pay him half of what he probably is. I don’t recall seeing a breakdown of manager percentages for UFC fighters, but I am pretty sure it’s high enough that having a guy you don’t think is good is a big business mistake in itself and for a guy in Condit’s position, that’s serious money left on the table.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
That's pretty much the state of fighter management in general
A lot of these guys, but especially Malki, aren’t qualified to be managing the careers of high-level athletes.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta think
that for around maybe 5-10 fighters there is enough money at play to have real agents come and play. Seems weird.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Yeah
GSP is the only guy repped by a real agency, IIRC. Other than that it’s the Mike Kogans, Ed Soares, and Malki Kawas of the world. You have to think Anderson, Aldo, Bones, Junior, and maybe even Frankie are all lucrative enough to interest real agencies.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't Anderson at least in relation with Ronaldo's agency?
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 8, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, it sounds right
But I’m not sure. I know Ed Soares is his manager, but I have a hard time imagining that he pulled off the huge sponsorships that Anderson’s gotten over the last year or so.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure I heard Gracie say during his MMAfighting interview that
“both he and Condit’s manager want the rematch”
But then it was Cesar Gracie talking..
And Carlos will win again
We saw it with Edar Penn. We saw it with Machida Shogun (even though Rua technically lost the first one). We saw it with Edgar Maynard. Its really tough to get to the top of the heap in the UFC. But certain guys have what it takes to be a UFC champ. They’ll always win. If its Diaz, then sure, he’ll win. But I don’t think so. I this fight is gonna look like the previous three immediate rematch championships we saw in recent years. Note, also, in instances where there were rematches for a title (or rubber matches) and the outcome differed, most of those guys took fights in between (mir/ lesnar; couture/ liddell; pulver/ penn – even though their rematch wasn’t for a title, and I’m sure there’s more). I think there’s something about barely beating a guy – but indeed, beating a guy – and than having it constantly questioned by media and fans, that really motivates a certain kind a fighter. The fight will be very similar to the first, no doubt.
by miked612 on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But I think it’s more in the nature of the immediate rematch. It favors the fighter that has found the right gameplan to beat the other, because of the short turnaround. It’s easier for Condit to do the same thing, only better than it is for Diaz to “solve” Condit and implement a new strategy.
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Will Nick Diaz actually have some footwork this time?
Don't follow in my footsteps I walk into walls
that’s like asking, will carlos taunt and throw birdies in nick’s face this time ?
by carmine99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t mind the rematch. I still think Condit won that fight but it was really close, so no reason to be all adament that it shouldn’t happen. Both of these guys need a fight before GSP comes back, the UFC needs another PPV headliner at some point in the year (something they REALLY need) and it will be a good fight again. Not exactly sure why some of you are so pissed off about this.
I hope Condit gets paid well for this
Because if he loses, he probably won’t get a rematch.
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by pud333 on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
he was paid 55 and 55 at 143
nick was paid 200 + PPV points
for the rematch, he must be getting paid at least as much as nick. so a 100%+ pay increase is pretty damn good IMO
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Gotdamnit
Fuck him up for reals this time Condit! I guess kicking a guy in the face multiple times and receiving less damage from your opponent than you give him means shit in a fight.
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by SentientAndroid on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions
I don't see how this is a bad thing for Condit
if he loses, it sets up an obvious trilogy (either before or after GSP) and it doesn’t knock him that far down on the standings. If he wins (much like when Frankie clearly won the Penn rematch) it solidifies his position as top dog until GSP gets back.
Awarding an interim title to avoid stagnation in the division, just to have the interim title holder put himself on the shelf seems a little silly (why wouldn’t it just have been a #1 contender match?). And of the options for Carlos at WW, I would bet that he likes his chances against Diaz best, since a lot of the other guys up there are the kind of wrestlers who give Condit trouble.
Immediately after the fight I thought: “well I don’t want to see that again,” but after getting a little distance on it, I think it’s the best fight for all involved. If Condit can implement the same game plan again — and even improve upon it — that will be great for him, and if Diaz can adjust and gameplan himself, that will be an interesting thing to see as well.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 8, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
The only potential downside
Is financial. If Condit agreeing to take the rematch didn’t result in him getting a new contract with a PPV cut, then he could end up only making 60k if he loses to Diaz the second time around; a fight with GSP would almost certainly have included points on the PPV for Condit given the fact that he’s now the interim champ. If his manager didn’t ask for one in return for taking the rematch, he should be fired immediately.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
this is all assuming that Uncle Dana sweetened the pot to get the fight he wanted.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
This doesn’t get mentioned much, and it’s slightly off-topic, but the massive disparity in fighter pay between the very top guys and the rest of the pack gives Dana a massive carrot with which to entice fighters into doing what he wants. This situation is a perfect example.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
regardless,
If he had a good manager and he didn’t undermine that manager, he would get more money. You’re not going to ever, ever convince me that Dana White is gonna just put his best offer on the table and thats gonna be—- look.
If I was the manager, and I had the Promotion begging for a rematch, and I didn’t think it was the best thing for my fighter, I would make them pay through the fucking nose. I would get him way better than terms they were offering. Come on. Negotiating 101 here Joe. Carlos lost money by doing it this way, and that’s a fact. And with this sport, that’s a really bad thing, because careers can end instantly. You need to always squeeze the most out of every deal because it can very easily be your last, not to mention the long term health costs you will be dealing with.
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by DankNabbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The two things play into each other
Bad managing and a disparity in fighter pay reinforce each other in terms of Dana White’s bargaining power.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he should just set on his belt, but it would be nice to see him fight another contender. I will buy the next Diaz fight, but it just doesn’t excite me that much to see a rematch of what I witnessed Saturday night.
by mooseknuckle on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the fights for Condit are rematches,
although personally I would rather see him fight Hendricks or Koscheck in the meantime. Fighting a guy like Diaz again does very little to prepare him for a fighter like GSP. Fighting a strong wrestler would be a good tune up for him.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 8, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Diaz vs GSP for the title
and then winner vs Condit.
Since we’re trying to screw Condit, why not do it that way?
by djfivenine on Feb 8, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
i really could care less what this means for diaz or condit
I’m am sick of the ufc doing these instant rematches when they don’t get the result they want. There are too many fresh fights for Condit other than Diaz
by troyd on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just don't get why anyone wants to see this fight...
Does anyone actually think its going to play out any differently? Is Diaz going to master cutting people off and faster non plodding footwork in 3 mo? I just see it being pretty much the same fight… I don’t know why Condit would do anything differently it worked just fine last time out.
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I doubt Condit uses exactly the same gameplan
Considering all the flack he took. I actually think he’ll go for the finish and will be favored to do so, due to the mental edge he now holds over Diaz.
greg jackson is no short of gameplans...
he will brew something new and fresh to annoy diaz and cesar this time. fresh material and new reasons for them to whine and bitch about after losing for the 2nd time.
Of course he will. That camp always finds a reason to bitch about something…
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 8, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is FUCKING BULL SHIT!!!!!
How many damn times are they gonna screw Condit out of his Title Shot!!
After the fight against BJ Diaz calls out GSP (When Condit has the shot to fight him) GSP then really wants to fight Diaz and Dana is like well Sorry Carlos better luck next time. Then Condit fights Diaz winner is Interm Champ and will fight GSP when he returns. Carlos wins, Diaz starts bitching and throwing a temper tantrum, retires from the sport, and UFC once again can’t make the Diaz GSP fight they want. So what do they do? Carlos fight Diaz again so we have a third chance to make this Diaz GSP fight. Because we clearly don’t give a FUCK up about you.
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by RJshock 305 on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Pretty much, this.
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timid people like condit get walked all over, that’s the gist of it. had he been more vehement about his feelings with his performance, and defended it with more enthusiasm, it may have worked in his favor.
Nobody is forcing him to sign the bout agreement. He’s the champ, not Nick, so he pretty much holds the cards regarding that fight. I think Condit won in a non-controversial fashion, but he is taking the fight because HE chooses to.
by mooseknuckle on Feb 8, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
you are not familiar...
with uncle dana are you ? he calls the shots, not condit!
This.
the man with the money calls the shots. always.
If Condit says no, everyone, including Dana White, will say that Condit declined the Diaz rematch and is essentially ducking him. If Dana didn’t want this rematch, he would’ve come out and clearly said that Condit had other guys to beat before Diaz got his rematch. Dana clearly wants this rematch to happen, and has put pressure on Condit to make it happen.
That's funny cause
at the press conference Dana clearly says he thinks Condit one that fight.
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dana is a promoter....
he puts on a front way too much to be taken seriously, most of the times he says stuff, and does the opposite. he also thought bisping beat chael. :)
I know. But Dana is easily influenced by the media and fans, and there’s a lot of Diaz fanboys out there…
strangely no Shnak fanboys though
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by tigerlee on Feb 8, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well done.
But as a Condit supporter and a person who believes he did enough to win the first fight, I am loving this rematch. More than anything, it’s the anti-Condit slander that has enraged me most. He is literally one of the most violent fighters in the sport of MMA and he happens to be (by all accounts) an amazing person as well. The guy achieves a peak in the sport with the absolute pinnacle in sight, only to deal with an avalanche of shit from the vultures circling above. I’d rather Condit regain universal respect and the admiration he deserves than see some silly belt hung around his waist. I personally believe he’s going to go in there and somehow get the best of Diaz — who is one of the most cerebral and dangerous fighters alive — again. I only hope he’ll be given the credit he deserves when he does. If he loses so be it. Some of these guys are fighting for the riches, but at bottom, Condit is a guy that would do it for free.
by Charlie Custer on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but he won the title...that was a title shot
interim or not, its a belt.
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anyone else getting.....
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by carmine99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I did. Thought it was funny as hell.
by the4thsign on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its been pretty bad for me this whole time
I think ever since they integrated MMA Fighting..
Yup.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 8, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Too much speculation, Brent
He won’t even sign without Malki by his side tomorrow, so he hasn’t been roped into anything.. Something out of nothing.
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
Being at his side
Is way way different from “after seeking his wise counsel.”
And I’m not sure what you expect from a blog if not some speculation
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Everyone wants to see Diaz win badly....
the fans, the media, and the ufc bosses, thats the only thing that stands out to me from this whole fiasco.
People complain all the time about Diaz Fans
but the Diaz haters are FAR worse. How can anyone say this rematch is not deserved? Has your hate for Nick clouded your judgement that much?
As DK said above, IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT! Between possibly the two best WW fighters outside of GSP. I see no reason this fight shouldn’t happen when you consider how split the MMA community AND the fighters were about this decision.
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Sure, it was close
But if every close fight had an immediate rematch, we’d get nothing but rematches.
I personally would be fine
If every really close title fight got an immediate rematch.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
This is stupid. I hope Diaz wins a close decision so that they need to do a rubbermatch right away and screw up the UFC’s plans to unify the belt with GSP’s when he’s ready to fight in December.
Look, I wanted to see Diaz win that fight so that we’d get the GSP/Diaz fight…. but if Diaz needs two fights to beat Condit, he doesn’t stand a chance against GSP. GSP is the master of following a game plan. And it’s pretty easy to beat Diaz with the proper game plan… just don’t back straight into the cage when Diaz is pressuring you, and you’ll be just fine.
I wonder
I Diaz won the decision, would the UFC even be looking to book a rematch?
Backing up or running or not, Condit used a gameplan that kept him from getting beat up while doing some damage of his own.
by the4thsign on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Rematch because no other contenders
To me, the rematch is necessary for a combination of 2 reasons: 1) the fight was very close and 2) there aren’t any other fighters deserving at this point.
You could make a claim that Hendricks has earned it but he’s not a big enough name and honestly, he’ll get steamrolled by either Diaz or Condit. If (and it’s a very big one) Ellenberger gets by Diego, I think he could make a claim to being a viable candidate but he’s the only one at this point.
Exactly
When Jake Beats Diego coming up, have Jake fight Condit, and feed Diego to Diaz. Your got Condit active and bar brawl with Diaz and Diego
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With a win over Sanchez, Ellenberger deserves a shot more than Diaz. Beating Sanchez and Shields in succession is better than what Diaz has done recently.
Beating Ellenberger would be that big win. Guy’s top 5 at the moment.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Would Condit steamroll Hendricks? Not so sure. At least we would find out, and give a brand new style matchup. Both Condit and Diaz need a different fight to test them in new ways.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He talks shit like its second nature and incites anger/interest as a result
Condit is respectful, Which sadly doesnt sell to your average “JUST BLEED!” casual fan.
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And yet, Diaz sold less than 300k in his fight against BJ Penn in a fairly high profile fight, and while the numbers haven’t come out already as far as I know, I’d be surprised if UFC 143 did any more than 400k buys, despite being a superbowl card. Diaz just isn’t the draw many people make him out to be… he just isn’t. Nobody relates to him, I certainly don’t. I like to watch most of his fights, especially when he’s fighting good WW competition (as opposed to blown up LW’s), but he’s not a very big draw, and with how things are going, I give it another 2-3 fights in the UFC before he leaves again…
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by menckenstein on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
im serious....
diaz is more volatile than ever, if they dont go easy on him this time around, someone is going to get hurt. also i bet he skips atleast 1 or 2 media events leading up to this.
Malki works for
Carlos Condit. Not for us, not for the UFC. His only responsibility is to his client and what’s in his clients best interest. I agree he does come off a little abbrassive but that’s part of his job to take a hard line in negotioations and in the PR game. The whole PR thing is a game that is played between managment and the UFC in an effort to get every dollar possible.
A rematch is the best
thing for everyone involved including Carlos Condit. Not only will they have the upper hand in negotioations with the UFC meaning a huge payday, it will also give him the opportunity to prove himself to the fans which is something he will need to do in order to become a superstar in the UFC. Walking away with this controversy and the idea that he is not a “true” fighter would be a mistake and it sounds like his team realizes that. This rematch is a win win for everyone involved. The fans, the UFC, GSP, Diaz, and Condit. I’m really impressed with the UFC’s ability to snap their fingers and make these things happen. We are really lucky.
If this fight didn't happen
We’d have to wait till November for a Condit/GSP fight?
Hopefully this will be Diaz's new gameplan in the rematch
by terzergoss on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Diaz throws head kicks
Like a hipster wears lame 80’s T-shirts.
Ironically.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
only if Condit actually turned his back towards Diaz and ran.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Feb 8, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
pics! it does exist
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All i see is Diaz missing 5 attempts at punching Condit
How dare Condit not drop his hands and stick his chin out….. lol
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The notion that Dana facilitated this rematch because he wants Diaz to win is BS
Dana White said he scored the fight for Condit. If it was his plan to sell a rematch soon, why would he do that? Plus: He can not force Condit, only persuade him with money et. al. If White tries to muscle him, Carlos can always agree and then unfortunately get hurt.
And why would he be really THAT worried? He just put Condit on a Primetime-Show and had him headline a PPV. Condit’s highlight-reel is nothing to shrug at. And in the end, it’s GSP who will sell the card in question. Diaz is no Brock Lesnar, he was “just” a Strikeforce-“Star”.
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by KGNLuc on Feb 8, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
disagree.
diaz has 3 times the fanbase of condit, having him on PPV means $$$ for dana. when he said he scored it for carlos, it was evident on his face that he didn’t really believe in what he said. the uproar following the fight only gave him more confidence to book this fight and put all the blame on diaz fans, and remove suspicion of his greed.
seeing from his angle, its a no brainer, this is main event material, they build an entire PPV around it, until GSP recovers, that’s one extra PPV revenue out of a close fight, not a bad deal. considering condit is only a interim champ, im pretty sure dana has some sway in the matter.
That's a bit misguided.
DW seems to wear his heart on his sleeve when it comes to discussing his thoughts on the outcomes of fights. If he says he thought Condit won, I’m inclined to believe him.
Of course the rematch gets made for the money
But it’s because it’s better money than Condit vs Hendricks or possibly Ellenberger and the circumstances luckily allow for a rematch. Not because Dana White wants to give Diaz a win. If he wanted GSP vs Diaz so bad, why did he pull him form the GSP fight over a few missed press conferences?
It’s GSP that sells. Condit or Diaz don’t matter much in this.
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Poor Carlos...
I really hope he wins this in a decisive way so he can…
1) Ruin Danas special day
2) See an even bigger Nick freakout
3) Shut people up
I still really want to see GSP vs. Diaz so hopefully that will still happen in the future no matter the outcome.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 8, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
GSP
apparently said on UFC Tonight that he’d relinquish the belt for a fight with Diaz
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Why not?
He’d get to beat the shit out of Diaz and have that belt back in a heartbeat anyway lol
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gazing into the crystal ball again, eh? Many seers said Fitch would dominate Hendricks, so predictions are fallible. But he did smack BJ around quite a bit, I’d see why you want revenge.
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Bahaha nice try but im over it
BJ is a bloated LW at the end of his career, No shame in losing to Diaz.
Besides he did something Diaz will likely never do and that is hold the belt, in 2 divisions no less. His legacy is cemented and the HOF beckons. Im sure he’ll sleep just fine at night
And honestly you dont need a crystal ball to know GSP would UD the shit out of Diaz, His historic inability to beat any wrestler or top control fighter has the writing on the wall. What chance does he possibly stand against the best MMA wrestler the world has ever seen?
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Both fighters are warriors.
I’m a fan of both and can’t be the only one. BEEN on the Condit wagon, BEEN on the Diaz wagon. I respect and love watching Diaz and his "let’s find out who beats who in a real fight, fuck your point fighting " mentality. I respect the strategy Condit implemented against Diaz because that seemed like the only viable way to win against him. Considering how Diaz fights, that was probably a tougher plan to stick with than most people think.
Good luck to both.
by Shake Zula on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Man,
your comment was waaaaaay, waaaay to sane for this type of thread buddy. Recced anyways, cuz I feel the same. Hooray for overtime!
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
apparently condit hasn't been f**ked over enough the past 4 months..
if diaz wins, they won’t give condit a rematch
stockton crybaby gets his way again
You must defeat me to stand a chance.
its more posturing i bet.
cesar wants more clauses added ? bring gil over ? cut from the PPV revenue ? of all the managers, cesar sure knows how to play ball with dana and co, the shit he pulled with that boxing gig was genius.
Is he missing again?
Cesar should really leave that baby gate up when he’s not watching him.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
huh ?
according to diaz, he never lost any fight that went to the judges, the judges hate him like damian maia hates BJJ.
Is it just me.........
I hated when coaches and managers talk as if they are in the Octagon and that they are receiving and giving punches. Hate when they say “when they hit us”, “need to do what is best for our team”, “we will not accept the fight”, etc. It should only be about the fighter. I’m hoping Condit did talk his Malki Manager into accepting this rematch because at the end of the day, no one is talking or will remember about Maki or Jackson’s strategy(MMA sucks). We or at least I will remember how Condit cheated us fans. As Chael says, you are a FRAUD if you don’t attempt to at least deliver what you say your going to do. You can’t say it will be dog fight if you keep running around. Be honest and say you will have a Jackson’s MMA strategy. But that is in the past and I respect you Condit and will remain a huge fan of yours by accepting a rematch with Diaz.
^lol condit brought up the rematch not diaz..so diaz has to accept
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This was a close fight IMO
The Shogun/Machida 1 decision really pissed me off because I thought Shogun took 4 rounds decisively in that fight (and his leg kicks were actually effective), plus Shogun was being more aggressive. The rematch was definitely warranted in that case.
I had a problem with the game plan Condit employed in the Diaz fight. Fucking Greg Jackson is going to kill the sport with his shitty game plans designed to win an MMA fight by actually not fighting. Knowing what the judges look at I figured it would be close but that Condit would most likely get the nod. Had Diaz been given the nod I wouldn’t have been mad and I wasn’t mad the other way around either.
My only issue is the way in which Condit approached the fight. I know that he’s within his rights to do it, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. I think it was a dishonest performance, for lack of a better word. It’s a betrayal to what the Japanese call the “budo spirit”. And yeah, up to this point Condit had been finishing lots of people and that’s one of the reasons I was a fan of his.
I just don’t like that the unified rules along with the fact that the UFC is very cut-happy both incentivize this kind of safe “fighting” whereas with PRIDE you had fighters going all out all the time to impress the Japanese fans with their fighting spirit. So what, there’s an entertainment factor to MMA. Same with every other fucking sport out there, like when the NBA was evolving in the 80s and 90s for example
Bottom line is that I’m glad if a rematch happens even if I wasn’t clamoring for one. Now that Diaz knows that Condit really won’t go balls to the wall to finish him, he can adapt (hopefully). Also, I don’t see Condit having anything for GSP but stylistically I think Diaz will give him problems or at least bring the fight out of him.
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Condit was forced to ask for a rematch
They stated publicly they didn’t want a rematch at first. So why would Diaz request one if Condit’s Managers and Coaches didn’t want to.
that's before they got offered a huge pay bump
money talks.
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AFAIK, Diaz stopped “crying” about it, aka making any kind of public statement whatsoever regarding it; right when he exited The Octagon.
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oh really..
because that doesn’t seem to be the case.
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“BREAKING NEWS Carlos Condit vs. Nick Diaz II will NOT happen,” Brian wrote. “An issue arose from Nick’s camp last night. Nick will NOT be able to compete. I will not go into nature of why [Nick] Diaz can’t compete in a rematch against Condit.”
He added that Condit is still on his way to Las Vegas this week sign on for the unification bout with Georges St-Pierre.
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Let’s talk Edgar v Henderson then! That fight needs mass attention.
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Then it’s settled. No crying Diaz, no Condit rebuffs, no Gracie/Kawa strong arming…all the senseless comments of armchair managers & promoters are null & void.
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