Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit Shouldn't Have a Rematch
by joeshowradio on Feb 7, 2012 6:03 PM EST
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One of the most talked about topics over the last 48 hours has been the potential for a rematch between Carlos Condit and Nick Diaz, with the majority of those favoring this rematch being Nick Diaz fans. I myself am a Nick Diaz fan but I don’t find myself really craving to see this fight again like so many others seem to be doing.
My fandom for Diaz is pretty intense. I make it a point to let others know that my only MMA apparel is MiddleEasy's t-shirt that pays homage to Nick's infamous catchphrase and when Diaz is on a card I send out mass texts with the message ‘Don’t be scared homie!’ to my friends so they know that they need to be watching the fights.
The reason for my Diaz fandom is quite simple, Diaz actually fights. In a time where MMA is constantly evolving, Nick makes sure to never turn his back on what this sport is truly about, fighting.
This reason is also the reason why I'm not a fan of Georges St. Pierre or any other fighter for that matter that implements the fighting style dubbed as ‘point-fighting’. Why I bring up GSP in this piece is because the way I felt towards the at-the-time-inevitable fight between him and Nick is the exact same way I feel about a potential rematch between him and Carlos Condit.
In my opinion GSP doesn't brandish the characteristics of a fighter that has a passion for what he does. Fans call his style smart fighting and I honestly can't say that I blame GSP for doing what he does; after all, it's working for him. Regardless of how effective his fighting style is for him though, I don't find what he does entertaining or passionate and therefore I don't care to watch.
This goes for a fight with Nick Diaz as well. I look at a potential fight between GSP and Diaz as taking away a great fight the fans could get from having Diaz face another opponent that is willing to fight him. Nick by himself is only one man, and in the fight game you need a dance partner in order to put on a show. When it comes to this aspect of the game I think it’s fair to say that point-fighting equates to having a partner with two left feet.
After the dust settles people remember fighters over titles. When fans talk about Corrales vs Castillo 1 they don't talk about the WBO and WBC belts that Corrales unified, they talk about the heart and gameness Corrales displayed by stopping Castillo after being floored twice in the same round. Fighters like Corrales and Diaz are cut from the same cloth, and to me these traits more important than any belt ever will be.
This brings me to the highly discussed Condit vs Diaz rematch. If the same Condit that showed up on February 4th is going to show up the second time around I have little interest in seeing the fight. This isn’t because I don’t think Diaz can win; after all, I thought he won the first fight. I just don’t want to see him in a fight where his opponent doesn’t have an interest in fighting to finish.
I was very excited for their first fight because I, like everyone else, thought that Condit was going to show up to put on a show and entertain the fans. Instead, he and his camp devised a plan that was focused around point-fighting and evading as much interaction with their opponent as possible. This isn’t what I want to see when I watch combat sports and it’s not what this sport was intended to become.
I’m not trying to argue whether what Condit and his camp did was right or wrong. Obviously, it wasn’t wrong because in the eyes of the judges he won the fight. The only point that I’m trying to make is that as a Diaz fan I don’t want to see him in a fight where his opponent isn’t going to show up to fight. You can call it smart game planning, you can call it evolution of the sport, you can call it whatever you want, but it’s not what I envision when I think of fighting.
To me, whether either of these men should fight Nick Diaz isn’t the question; the question is whether Nick Diaz should fight them. Judging by what we’ve seen recently from both Condit and GSP my answer to that question is a definitive no. If they want to go down in history as fighters that negatively altered the way athletes in MMA had to fight to win then so be it. But rest assured, Diaz will be remembered as a fan’s fighter, and that’s all that matters.
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Awesome piece
Seriously, I didn’t think in this perspective and it makes total sense. I thought Diaz won 48-47, would like a rematch, although I know it’s probably not happening. But the prospect of seeing Diaz in a great fight is more entertaining than him fighting for the belt.
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There are plenty of fresh match ups to make
Would anyone really complain about Hendricks vs. Condit if GSP isn’t ready? Or Diaz fighting anyone else really?
There's so much turnover at WW right now
That it doesn’t make much sense to do the rematch. Diego/Ellenberger winner vs. Condit for the interim, or Hendricks if neither guy impresses or the winner gets hurt. Kos or Fitch vs. Diaz would be fun.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
The good thing about Diaz
Is that you can put him up against a guy like Kos or Fitch, or if you just want an entertaining beat down you can always have him beat the shit out of Dan Hardy (or maybe a dude like Duane Ludwig) or something.
The only problem is, to put Diaz in a three round fight would be a travesty. He should be main eventing.
by discoandherpes on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Those would all be fun fights. As far as Hardy and Ludwig, though, Diaz’s contract is so large that it’d be tough to do anything BUT put him in the main event, and then we’d get the benefit of seeing his unreal gas tank.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I always say elite fighters should fight five rounds
I’m going a bit off topic here, but think about how small the total amount of five round fights there are in MMA and the amount of FOTY contenders are five rounds. There aren’t a lot of five round fights in MMA, but the small amount there are tend to be great. Sure they’re going to be lame five rounders, but five rounds for elite fighters will give this sport those highs that boxing tends to have by the sole virtue of being longer.
by discoandherpes on Feb 8, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I like that five-rounders feel special right now, but you’re right, there are so many more opportunities for amazing things to happen in a five round fight.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
welp, looks like the rematch is happening, lololololol
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This is one of the dumbest things
I’ve ever seen posted on this topic. So GSP and Condit should be the ones bowing down to the alter of thug bravado? GSP and Condit are now symbols of MMA becoming a sport despite MMA being a sport, instead of street fighting? Or something?
Where’s the Jordan Breen rant so we can just copy and paste it in response to every thoroughly idiotic notion that Nick Diaz is somehow more of a fighter than Condit just because Condit didn’t fight to Nick’s strengths? It’s time to get over this idea that Diaz “fights”, and everyone else doesn’t. Nick employs just as much strategy as anyone else, hence his need to get fighters against the cage in order to exchange. He has the option of standing in the center of the cage so that he can be even more of a fighter. Or they can both take off the gloves, and go bareknuckle to prove he’s not just some kind of noble savage, but that he’s practically a freedom fighter. A rematch would be awesome because the first match was a close fight between two of the best, most dynamic fighters in the division. The fight itself may not have been that dynamic, but it’ll allow both fighters to adjust, and if Nick isn’t as dumb as some of his fans, he’ll adjust instead of whining about what his opponent won’t let him do.
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Sorry. Didn't understand a word you said.
I was busy bowing down to the altar of thug bravado.
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SHIT!
This looks racist, right? FUCK!
This was supposed to be a Nick Diaz spoof, but damn, this really looks racist. My bad. I was looking for the word ‘thug’ in Google and searching for funny images and ended up finding a picture for a book that read “Thug Matrimony,” and figured it looked funny so I took a peek inside, and the overview seemed way funnier. But, on reviewing this, and coupled with looking at the picture above (the one of the chimps), this really comes across really, really bad.
This was really stupid. I dunno if this was a faux pas or what, or if I’m overreacting, but I dunno. It’s not my culture but I don’t want to fuck with people’s sensibilities on this.
Shite. I dunno what to say now. I’ll leave it to you guys to judge.
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Interesting.
Normally I expect pieces like this to grace the site of Blood Stain Lane. Just out of curiosity, you do know that Condit has an over 95% finish rate right?
this is an opinion piece on what I like to watch...
…so of course I don’t expect everyone to agree with what I wrote. I simply laid out why I’m a Diaz fan and why I only want to see him in certain types of fights.
As far as his finish rate is concerned I’m really not concerned with that. My only concern is whether or not the Condit that fought Diaz is the Condit that’s here to stay. Right now we honestly dont know, so until we know the answer to that and see how he’s handles all of this I don’t want to see him fight Nick again.
Again, this is my opinion only and of course I dont expect everyone to agree.
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