UFC 143 Results: Carlos Condit's Camp Wants GSP, Not Diaz Rematch
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 7, 2012 10:00 AM EST
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After beating Nick Diaz by mildly controversial unanimous decision at UFC 143, Carlos Condit was put into a difficult spot. UFC president Dana White suggested that a rematch between the two might be the way to go, an idea our own Kid Nate supported.
Condit already lost his scheduled title shot against Georges St. Pierre after the UFC took it away and gave it to Diaz following his win over B.J. Penn. When GSP got hurt, it gave Condit a chance to face Diaz and the win gave him a version of a championship and guaranteed a shot at Georges St. Pierre and the legitimate welterweight title.
So for his camp, the idea of fighting Diaz again is not that appealing right now. Or at least that's what Condit's manager, Malki Kawa, told MMA Fighting:
"At this point, [a rematch] is not something we're looking to do," he said. "We're looking for Georges. People forget, Carlos waited a long time to get this fight. He was moved around, and shuffled around between fights. He won the fight. It doesn't interest us at all. I think clearly and decisively, he won the fight. Even [UFC president] Dana [White] scored it for him. All of the opinions that matter scored Carlos as winner."
They have told other sites that they're willing to wait until roughly November to fight GSP, any longer than that and Condit will need another fight to keep busy. At that point a rematch could be talked about.
Thoughts on this after the jump...
SBN coverage of UFC 143: Diaz vs. Condit
As for me? I completely understand not wanting a rematch here. Diaz is a tough fight for anyone and Condit did his job and won the bout. He has already been pushed aside because of Diaz once, why should he not get his shot at GSP (assuming he is ready in time) again?
And what if Diaz pulls off the win the second time out? Does he get a shot at GSP right away? If so, why? It would seem the only fair thing to do in a 1-1 split would be to have the rubber match. Of course, that wouldn't happen because the UFC wants a fight between GSP and Diaz, it's something they felt they could market easily and is a bigger fight than Condit/GSP.
So Kawa is completely in the right to say that they don't want to rematch Diaz. There is almost nothing to gain and everything to lose in a rematch. Condit beat Diaz the first time around by sticking to a disciplined strategy, he isn't likely to suddenly engage in a firefight the second time around, so if he wins the same fight it's not going to do wonders for his reputation with people who hated the first fight. And if Diaz can make the correct adjustments to cut the cage off rather than chase, Condit loses and almost certainly doesn't get a rubber match as Diaz gets the title shot.
I can see no reason not to hold out for his shot at St. Pierre.
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
this fight reminded me of Shogun vs. Machida 1.
I think Diaz would destroy Condit if he makes adjustments in the 2nd fight. Let’s face it. Condit hit Diaz with everything he got and Diaz still bitch slapped him. But yes. Let GSP and Condit fight. Heck, throw in Fitch and Shields in there two. All 4 of them suck.
Oh and please Dana. No BJ Penn Diaz II, OK?
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Are you serious? Have you ever seen Condit fight before Saturday? The dude is the definition of balls-to-the-wall violence in the cage.
by feniin on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well.
There is nothing heroic about what Anderson did in those fights. Condit and GSP are both very capable of finishing fights and fighting exciting fights. But they don’t. And Greg Jackson pulls all kinds of dubious moves (like pouring water between rounds on Condit). I just hate Greg Jackson. Brilliant coach but does things that really turn me off.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Condit doesn’t finish fights? How many fights has he had go to a decision? 4. (2-2). 13 (T)KOs, 13 Subs. You’re being ridiculous. Greg Jackson knows how to win fights. That’s all that matters when it means getting his fighters their money.
by feniin on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He knows how to wet his fighters.
I am sorry. I am trying to be very kind to Greg Jackson. Why is it that all his fighters are slippery? I am just curious. BJ Penn complained about it. Palharis complained about it. Many have.
Condit .. I agree with you. But he still sucks in my book.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Could you be anymore of a Butt Hurt Diaz Fan?
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by RJshock 305 on Feb 7, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
They are already covered in sweat. Do you think a little water is going to make a bit of difference. By the second round of a fight most fighters are already dripping water or not.
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by attgnp on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What is greg doing in this picture??
Just curious :)
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
he is telling carlos and mike that, butthurt diaz fanboy’s can lick on his nuts.
by carmine99 on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
I saw this yesterday...
And it made me LOL again today.
Yeah…. water, natures greatest lubricant.
Are you for real man?
Sheeeeeeeee-it
by Clay Davis on Feb 7, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
spit.... is pretty much water
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
C’mon. Condit fought ONE fight like this after destroying his previous opposition. It’s WAY too early for this kind of criticism.
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by KGNLuc on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It is never too early for overreaction.
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by Avap on Feb 7, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
dont feed him.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
you lost all credibility...
When you said condit doesn’t finish fights. You, good sir, are retarded.
Medium-rare, just how I like it.
by Sonnenmeister on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did he finish his last fight?
Will he finish GSP? We will see.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
LET'S WRITE HIM OFF AFTER ONLY HIS LAST FIGHT!!!!!!!!
HE IS A RUNNER!!! HE IS SCARED!!!! HE IS A GREASER!!!!!
BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But GSP is another thing. He couldn’t even finish Hardy for pit’s sake. But Condit. We will see. Let’s see how he does against GSP
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
you said both condit and gsp are capable of having exciting fights and finishing but they dont
You sir are very far off on condit
by benten20 on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My sarcasm was directed at your short term memory
you have judged Condit on one fight and your preconceived notion of how his next fight is going to take place.
But he still sucks in my book.
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So GSP doesn't finish Hardy but what did Condit do?
Oh yeah that’s right
but that doesn’t matter cuz Condit doesn’t finish fights
just stop
You just look like a butthurt fanboy don’t know if you are. But you are an idiot for saying Condit doesn’t finish. I hate what have you done for me lately fans. Smh
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by Bloodsport on Feb 7, 2012 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Out of Condit's 28 wins
He has 26 finishes.
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by awesomefightgreatjob on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Man... Pouring water on a fighter is a dubious move?
Where you outraged by it the hundreds of times we’ve seen it before?
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
:)
I hope it’s just water :D
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
*sigh
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by SentientAndroid on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THAT picture is awesome! The cat looks like the smarter half in this one.
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by Mr. Socko on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What the fuck do you want it to be?
Vodka?
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
"Condit doesn´t finish fights"
Condit has 28 wins, 2 have gone to decision.
Diaz has 26 wins, 5 have gone to decision.
NICK DIAZ DOESN¨T FINISH FIGHTS!!!!!!!
by Immortal_JL on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I will believe my eyes
Are you serious? Have you ever seen Condit fight before Saturday? The dude is the definition of balls-to-the-wall violence in the cage.
He sure as hell wasn’t on Saturday. There is no way you can compare the Lietes/Silva fight with Condit/Diaz. Lietes flopped to his back repeatedly and refused to engage. If anything that’s how Carlos fought.
Leites flopping on his back compares to Condit throwing hundreds of strikes? Hahaha. Come on now.
by taptomyarmbar on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
And he ran.
Yes. I am a big fan of Condit. I loved how he KO’ed Hardy. But he ran and ran and ran. You are only as good as your last fight. I scored the fight for Diaz 3-2 but oh well. Shit happens.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I just do not understand the logic that not standing in front of a fighter so they can hit you is running. It wasn’t like he was refusing to engage in the fight. He was dictating where the fight was taking place.
If Diaz had made any attempt to cut off his movement when he circled out, the outcome of the fight might have been different.
by davidhamilton83 on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
He was not dictating
Not until the fourth, IMO. But he basically defended well, by avoiding the positions Nick wanted to get him into.
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From the rulebook:
Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout.
by davidhamilton83 on Feb 7, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well condit had effective defense… Everything else could go to nick tho
by Armleglegarm Head on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Condit was dictating place and location by backing up from Diaz? He was reacting to his opponents movements. To me, that is not “dictating where the fight takes place”. It’s defense, like blocking a transition. From the middle of the third and especially in the fourth Condit had it down, IMO. Then he started to keep a constant “rubber band” between them, angled off nicely and wasn’t “getting out of the way” anymore. Of course he also did that before, but it was much,much more reactive than active in rds. 1 and 2.
But hey, just my opinion. This rule can certainly be interpreted differently.
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I just don’t feel that he was running away. He ducked under Diaz’s attack and then circled to get into a position that was better for him. I feel that he did it the same the entire fight, dictating where the fight took place. His circling out helped him control the pace the whole fight. His circling out helped him control the location of the fight. His circling out helped him control the position of the fight. It really just simple planning.
It would be a different story if he took a Kalib Starnes approach to it and refused to even engage the fight.
By the way…. it is nice have a normal discussion on a blog. No name calling or anything. I tend to avoid commenting on here because I hate how it always turned to a ridiculous argument because people cant accept other people’s opinion.
by davidhamilton83 on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Ducking and circling was only at the end of many seconds of backpedaling though. And I know that this is a thin line here. From the way I saw it, it was Diaz coming forward at first and Carlos avoiding him. But after Condit tuned into Diaz rhythm and most of all saw, he had nothing to stop him when circling out, he began to take over.
And that’s that, or else we will be going in circles as well. I find, I can have a rather civilized conversation here more often than not. And a little bashing is fun at times as well as long as nobody takes it too seriously. :)
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I interpreted it as Condit was the matador, and Diaz was the bull. Just because Diaz was stalking forward doesn’t mean that he was pushing the pace especially since many times, Diaz wouldn’t follow that up with offense.
If anyone knows ring generalship and how it pertains to this fight, I would love to hear it. I was under the impression that Condit was the ring general, and not Diaz, but I would like to know how that works.
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by chrisbboy82 on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To me Nick was chasing the whole fight, which makes him the guy reacting.
I’ll agree with you that Condit started to feel really comfortable with the strategy and overall flow of the fight in the 3rd and 4th.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
That's why while I feel that his gameplan worked in 1st and 2nd, those are close rounds that I can see go either way.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
What?
How can u seriously say that? Regardless of all this controversy how can you say diazo was the guy reacting bc he was walking conduit down? That’s kind of ridiculous. When one guy is walking the other down and the other guys is backpedalling and countering there is no real other way of spinnging it, the guy choosing to fight with a counter style is the guy reacting not the guy walking him down.
by bert44 on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unless Nick Diaz is also in the cage, in which case he throws one leg kick then runs, over and over again.
by Redconsensus on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
You see shogun/machida 1…what about penn/Edgar 1?
by Afrotikiman on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Penn won the fight
Shogun won the fight.
Diaz won the fight.
Now Edgar smashed BJ in the second one though.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Lol so why everyone assumes Diaz would pull a Shogun and not a penn in the rematch
by Afrotikiman on Feb 7, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We don't know that. But don't you want to see it?
It would put this issue to rest, no? That’s all I am saying. Why is Condit so afraid to take the fight when he should win by running again, right? I mean Kawa says Condit picked Diaz apart. I didn’t see it that way.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
$$$$$ but maybe Dana will offer him Anderson silva money but I doubt it. A rematch won’t excite the casuals IMO.
by Afrotikiman on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The WW-title on ice till november will excite no one
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by KGNLuc on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The logic is in the post
There is almost no upside and plenty downside for Condit to rematch
I do
IMO Condit will probably win decisively in a rematch. Nick just seems so stubborn, it’s hard to imagine him adapting and implementing a winning gameplan. But any of the two can probably win on a good night.
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by KGNLuc on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shogun used his leg kicks in that fight to initiate exchanges and catch machida moving out of range. Condit used leg kicks to avoid exchanges, counter diaz and catch him when he was coming in. The two situations are almost opposites.
by bert44 on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why does Diaz need a second fight to see...
“if he can make adjustments”? He couldnt do it during the fight, why should he get another 5 rounds to do it… I think Diaz NEEDS to beat somebody else (Hendricks, Kos, Ellinburger) before getting another shot at Condit.
You are right. He doesn't
I don’t even give a shit and for some f’ing reason I decided to leave a couple of comments here. I mean WTF. I am out. See you all next year.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Roth...?
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's the Curse of the Welterweight Gold
He who wins it must bore the fans.
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What’s the point in having an interim title if its also going to be on the shelf for 10 months? I’m not saying he has to fight Nick, but there’s definitely time between now and gsp’s estimated return for condit to defend his title.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 AM EST via Android app reply actions 8 recs
Totally agree
They should just strip GSP and make Condit the champ so he has no choice. Just hard to imagine they’d do that and it would probably suck for Georges in terms auf statistics (“longest reigning champ”, “consecutive title defenses” and stuff).
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There are other championships the UFC has at it's disposal.
GSP last defended the title 9months ago in April 2011 so what’s the difference in letting it sit until he’s completely healed instead of rushing him to get back?
If I remember correctly
before the fight, the Diaz camp said they’d elect to wait if they could, whereas the Condit camp said they’d defend it before GSP came back. I mean, Diaz didn’t really have anything for Condit, so you might as well fight him again instead of Ellenberger, etc…
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Dammit Condit
Anyone want to think of how to force the rematch?
by Flashking on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
nick can hop into the cage at the next event
Grab the Mic and call him out, WWE style.
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 7, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Threaten Condit’s family and say he hopes Condit doesn’t plan on defending them by running away this time.
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I don’t blame him. Why risk fighting Diaz again when you can hold out for a guaranteed shot at unifying the belts and a huge payday against a possibly rusty GSP who will be afraid to take leg kicks?
That said, I would like to see him defend his title around June or July against Jake Ellenberger or Johny Hendricks.
by feniin on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Controversy justifies a rematch.
Butthurt fans and fighters do not.
by UncleMax on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And you're the determining factor between which is which?
I just want to understand the rules.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 7, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I see
and you’re the arbiter of that? Do you have an office where people can submit petitions?
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I guess
Royce Gracie, vitor, Anderson, mayhem, munoz, lindland, Hendo, Ronda rousey, jens pulver, pat miletich, Josh ne’er, Joe lauzon, cung le, ellenberger and bas rutten all have no sense of what’s going on in the cage bc they all had Diaz winning 3-2 or 4-1
by bert44 on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're forgetting...
Ariel Helwani and Joe Rogan.
Obviously, the only opinions that counted were the judges, but it was a close fight which was judged on nuances of how rules are interpreted and applied…
I don’t think anyone should feel good about the way the fight was finally judged, even if you thought Carlos took it overall (I mean, Condit didn’t get the 3rd?).
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Dont bother, Uncle Max is on a crusade in every thread to discredit everything to do with anyone who last name doesnt rhyme with “Schmonfit”, and then afterwards innocently shrug and say “What? I’m TOTALLY neutral, I have no problem with the Diaz Bros!! I swear!!”
: )
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DIAZ BROS!!! I SWEAR!!
Ok Max, I posted this in another thread, but just for you, I’m gonna re post it, so MAx, I’m dedicating this one to you LOL:
LEt me sum this up so we can all save some time:
(Hardcore fan watches as Cain gets KOed in 60 seconds against JDS, Lesnar craps himself and quits against Overeem, Rashad puts on a classic Rashad-fest so boring that half the crowd walks out halfway through the fight, and Condit circles and leg kicks his way to a title, in addition to the LW title being held by a personality-less non finishing Smurf that absolutely no one cares about, and the FW and HW titles being held by guys who barely speak English if at all, all of which has gradually led up to the PPV buy rate collapsing to around 250k per event) and says……….
"What? Jesus, whats the problem?? Theres no problem here! This is the purity of sport, mother fuckers!! PURE, GET IT? PURELL isnt as pure as this shit, bitches!! Transitions, dont you get it WE LOVE TRANSITIONS!! I fuckin jerk off watching Rashad transition from striking to takedowns, do you got a problem with it?? We dont need you!! We will kick it old school and go back to McNichols arena in front of 2000 people, dont fucking tempt us, you ungrateful stupid heathens!!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THE BEAUTY OF MMA?"
(Just Bleed fan): "Why cant they all be like Shogun/Hendo?? We hate ground work! We hate LNP!! We hate everything other then two guys in a phone booth winging shots! Condit ran!! Put on your track shoes, pussy!! Im done with MMA, they are cheating!! Chain em together lumberjack WWF style!! Thatll fix it!!……….unless its Clay Guida, he’s funny because he burps."
Does that pretty much sum it up for both sides?
by Hutchy on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don’t know what this incoherant post is about.
by feniin on Feb 7, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, how does all that explain that at points in the Condit fight i felt genuine excitement at what Condit was pulling off and surprise that Diaz was incapable of doing anything about it.
Really strange post. Presuming this is “purist” versus “justbleed” is pointless and won’t get anyone anywhere.
Essentially all you’re saying is “a bunch of us are buttheart because our expectations weren’t met”.
No one is trolling Diaz fans for his loss, you can’t say the same for Condit’s victory.
Condit will fight again, Diaz will fight again. If they cancelled each other’s dogfighting out facing each other – so be it. It’s interesting, all this discussion right now is interesting.
I dont mean you in particular MAx, I mean the general reactions of fans across the interwebz seem to fall into one of those two extreme camps. BE tends to be a bit more reasonable.
Go check out those initial threads right after the fight, my post above is basically a transcript of those LOL
No one is trolling Diaz fans for his loss, you can’t say the same for Condit’s victory.
Maybe you haven’t been doing this, but there has been an immense amount of “sore winning” out of the pro Condit crowd on BE.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
first idk why but i find schmonfit amusing
Second I freely admit I dislike Nick and like Nate. After saying this I thought it was 48-47 condit and that being said I don’t think condit should have an immediately rematch with diaz. It’s not right at this point to keep trying to move him aside so that diaz can fight GSP.
by benten20 on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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by gspmademegay on Feb 7, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
and there was no controversy, imo. The judges all scored the fight for Condit, Fightmetric scored it for Condit, Dana White scored it for Condit. It’s done, Condit is the interim champ. Diaz can work his way back to a title shot the way that Koscheck did.
by feniin on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he wont have to work his way back to much
Dana wants that fight to happen, GSP diaz I mean
by benten20 on Feb 7, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup, and don't we all want to see Diaz fight?
I don’t see much gain in a rematch. Not right now at least.
When have the fans think one guy won and the other half thinks the krher guy won… Thats controversy. Dana white, fight metric (wich jas no business scoring mma fights) and the judges all thinking conduit won does not make this not controversial. Anderson silva, mayhem, vitor, royce Gracie, militech gave all said they chose nick 3-2 or 4-1. If this isn’t controversial why has everyone on BE been losing there minds arguing over it for the last few days?
by bert44 on Feb 7, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well then this def deserves a rematch
a ton of fighters i follow on twitter had nick winning 48-47, some even 49-46. I think fighters know better than computer tough guys.
The only ppl who dont want a rematch are ppl who hate diaz period
Nooo not Malki
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by menckenstein on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
A rematch doesn’t make any sense to me either but neither does waiting until possibly November to fight. Be a Champ and defend your title (and redeem yourself for that lack of a ‘dog fight’.
I blew Richard Speck! I shot JFK! Who wants to be famous?!
he doesnt have to redeem himself for anything
by benten20 on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Condit is on a crusade to completely discredit his rep amongst everyone outside of 25 BE hardcore fan posters.
by Hutchy on Feb 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Did you even watch the fight? The dude was throwing a variety of strikes the entire fight. He pressed the action when he wanted, circled away from Diaz’s strikes, and connected with more significant strikes. I fail to see how that’s discrediting his reputation. He fought a smart fight. I would do the same in his position. Minimize the opponents offense, maximize your own. It worked for Machida for years.
Ill reply to that with this: IS Carlos saying he wont fight ANYONE but GSP? Is he saying he will NOT take, say, an Ellenberger fight this summer, after the first one was a friggin barn burner? If Carlos says “I dont want to sit on my title, I just dont think Diaz deserves a rematch quite yet. If they want me to fight (whoever) this summer, I’m down, I gotta stay busy after all”, then I agree 100%. If, however, he won the title in the fashion he won it, and is following that up by immediately stating hes gonna sit on it for nearly a year to fight GSP……..I mean, thats a smart BUSINESS decision, but as far as winning fans, I cant agree with that strategy.
by Hutchy on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you even watch the fight?
Watched the fight, cheered for Condit, enjoyed his win, collected my winnings. But it was not vintage Condit. Let’s be real here. He did not run but he didn’t do his usual best to finish either. He needs to defend that title not be a so scared to lose it (if that is his decision to wait for GSP.)
I blew Richard Speck! I shot JFK! Who wants to be famous?!
NO he did run
he actually turned his back & took off to the other side of the cage..Like he literally did run. I luv carlos but he should be embarrassed by his performance. Thats greg jackson gameplanning fir title fights tho
1 fight is a crusade
can we say, hyperbole?
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by IKiIIed007 on Feb 7, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The only people who want this fight are upset Diaz fans. The fight wasn’t controversial from the POV of scoring individual rounds. It is only controversial to Diaz fans who want to use it as a wedge to get a rematch so they can eventually see their dream fight.
That being said… it’s a long time until GSP is ready to fight again, and who knows what could go wrong. I think Condit should defend once in the early summer. I suggest the winner of Ellenberger/Sanchez (By which I mean Ellenberger).
In terms of excitement, Diaz fans (I include myself in this group, but I am trying to be rational) should be Diaz/Kos.
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In terms of excitement, Diaz fans (I include myself in this group, but I am trying to be rational) should be clamoring for Diaz/Kos
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Kos/Diaz would be good. Though, I think Diaz would have a hell of a time dealing with a strong wrestler. Not to go back to the idea that Nick can’t wrestle, but Kos is at the top of the foodchain at 170 when it comes to wrestling. Plus, Kos can strike too. So long as he doesn’t play into Nick’s game, it’ll be fun. Plus, the hype job they could do for that fight would be awesome.
i could see kos getting really pissed by the taunting and looking for the ko
by benten20 on Feb 7, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not terribly surprising
I think there’s a lot of upside for the organization in a rematch, but I don’t blame Condit and his camp for not wanting one, since there’s not much upside for him personally. If he wins again in much the same manner, its marginally positive for him and if he loses, it’s catastrophically negative.
I think a rematch is really unlikely, especially given the undetermined status of Diaz. If anyone can make it happen though, its DFW.
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No surprise here
But to be fair, unless Carlos says it himself, hopes for a Diaz rematch shouldnt be shot to be oblivion, especially when Dana White knows how much moolah that will generate.
Malki knows what’s in his clients best interest and will say the same thing over and over again, if Dana threw in the right coin number they might say yes.
GSP will win his fight vs Condit via points.
The difference is he will put Condit on his back and punish him.
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just adding to my post
With a rematch Carlos has the advantage, he could probably bait Diaz into fighting his fight again and switching gears and surprising him by trying to finish him, its definately a way more interesting match up than GSP vs Condit, but I agree on the notion that Condit deserves a shot at the real strap for putting on a performance that actually played mind games albiet I scored the fight for diaz on Nick,.
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Stop crying Diaz
Congrats Condit!
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by SentientAndroid on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
This is amazing.
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Kos vs Diaz
I just realized that a great fight for the fans would be Koscheck vs Diaz. Diaz and Koscheck are both out of title contention for the time being, but they are both at the highest level. Koscheck is a very powerful wrestler, and very explosive. But more importantly, both Koscheck and Diaz are very controversial amongst fans. Put the two together, and I think you would get a very large audience.
Condit needs to man up big time!
He told us it was going to be a dog fight and the fans were going to win – he lied through his teeth. Get back in the ring condit! Now Diaz knows you are a pussy, he’ll fight you like a pussy. Gave you too much respect in the first fight. We want a rematch!!!
hahahhahahahaha
New to MMA? How often do people say one thing, and then the fight starts and does another.
It would be completely retarded to give away your entire game plan right before a #1 contender fight.
Diaz is probably like you and feel in to believing Condit was just going to stand there and throw bombs.
People gotta be real sometimes. This is a sport, he is there to win. If Diaz couldn’t adapt to Carlos taking his back off the cage than he got what he deserved.
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Dear Dana
As you saw on Saturday night I have sold my fighting spirit for a worthless belt. I no longer care about the fans or my legacy.
Sincerely
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Wow.
because Condit fought with a gameplan and your boy Diaz was to stupid to find a way around it all of a sudden Condit sold his fighting spirit. It amazes me how you fans of Diaz just expect everyone he fights to play right into his hands. That is how Daley and Penn lost the fight, Greg and Condit saw that and game planed around it. MMA is more then a slug fest.
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It's amazing to me how UFC fans just accept anything
This is why main events suck and fighters think they can get away with duping the fans into a dog fight and then running away the whole fight.
MMA has to be about more than winning. If the UFC is going to become full of Condits, who are only out there to spar for points, then it will become about as popular as amatuer boxing.
Um wow simply WOW!
If the UFC is going to become full of Condits, who are only out there to spar for points, then it will become about as popular as amatuer boxing.
Carlos Condit has been to 4 count them 1, 2, 3, motherfucking 4 decision’s in his career!
He has finished 26 out of his 28 wins. That is a percent of 92.85 finishing rate. Tell me of another fighter that has a finishing rate that high. Your stupidity in that post was shocking.
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That was the old Condit
The new Condit spoils huge main events againt legit warriors, who want to fight with him. The new Condit persuades fans to lay down $60 promising a dog-fight in the main event and then runs away the whole time. The old Condit, who you describe, is no more, he threw it all away for worth-less hunk of metal.
After one fight really?
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You've apparently been misinformed. MMA is a sport, allow me to redirect you to an attraction you may enjoy:
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by Machiel Van on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I know it's a sport
But it’s not all about winning, that’s my point. There is winning and there is winning. I think Condit abandoned some of his principles, just to win that belt. And I’m disappointed in him for doing that. Condit Vs. Diaz could have been a fight for the ages, but it wasn’t.
Don’t redirect me to whatever that is. It’s not about watching guys bleed, it’s about staying true to yourself man.
I love you throw all of this on Condit and his corner yet not one of you Diaz fan Boys ever mention his failed attempts to even try and adjust his gameplan at all.
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That’s a low-stakes attitude, and this was a high-stakes fight.
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Basically, at this point in his career and at this level, Condit can either choose to attempt to appease fickle fans who won’t remember or care about this fight in a few weeks by fighting in a fan friendly, strategically unwise manner, or he can do everything in his power to win, increase his earning power and make the rest of his entire life easier financially. Hm, wonder which choice I’d pick.
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Point taken
You keep on defending that point of view, and I’ll keep supporting the Nick Diaz and BJ Penns of this world. That’s fine.
Easier to be a BJ Penn or a Nick Diaz when you get twice as much as Condit with just base pay.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
By winning fights. Being exciting played a part, sure. But they got there by winning fights.
Also I said that mostly to point out that for Condit, the difference between winning and losing, was 55 000 dollars and the promise of a big money fight after that. If we’re talking that kind of difference when I have a wife and small kid, I can’t care less what some guys on the internet will be bitching about. Besides I thought the fight was awesome, but that’s just me and I understand the disappointment that Condit didn’t fight the way he was “supposed” to fight but the bitching is off limits IMO.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason it is high stakes is because the guys before him built the UFC into what is is today. Fighters like Randy, Wandy and Chuck, who put it all on the line; fighting to win the fight, not fighting to impress judges. There would be no big prizes for Condit to fight for, if the fighters before him fought like Condit.
Ya because he always fights for the judges.
I have already shown the cold hard facts that Condit is the very definition of a finisher. Can you name me one person in the UFC that has a finishing rate higher then Condits who has at least 20 pro fights? Dude game plans a fight gets a UD and all of a sudden he is a coward and always fought safe.
"Dont take anything for granted when your fighting me. If you assume you have an edge here or that your gonna dominate me there, you know you better think again man Cause Im gonna FUCK YOU UP!!!"-Carlos Condit Champion 2011
Who cares? None of that matters at this point. GSP fights in a conservative manner, yet is still one of the most popular fighters in MMA history. He absolutely changed his fighting style when the stakes got higher.
Via MMATorch: "The idea that Condit is deserving of consternation for circling off the fence and back to the center of the Octagon is asinine. It isn’t as if Diaz was looking to keep the fight in some sort of neutral area and exchange punches with Condit; Diaz wanted him motionless and trapped against the cage.
Considering the stakes of the bout, why would anyone give Diaz the kind of fight that he needs to succeed?"
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I’m no champion of GSP, but he does a fantastic job of representing MMA outside of the cage. Condit will never be that guy.
Condit did a good job of running. But running is what he did. I hope someone does the exact same thing back to him one day. But I can tell you one thing, I will not be watching, and I’m guessing a whole lot of other fight fans won’t be watching too.
How long have been watching MMA? I don’t mind if it’s a short period of time, I just wonder if you’ve ever seen Condit’s previous fights?
Not sure exactly
I remember when I got hooked and that was the Randy Coutore vs.Gabriel Gonzaga. I could not believe the it at the time.
But I don’t watch every PPV. Only, when the guys I like are fighting, like Nick or BJ or someone with that warrior spirit that reminds you of an old Jean Claude Van Damme film or something like that. When it’s about pride and spirit and rising above your limits. You know what I mean?
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Before I even clicked on this page
I already knew the comment section was going to be full of a bunch of bitching from butthurt Diaz nuthuggers.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
by attgnp on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Wow great post. You managed to use “nuthuggers” and “butthurt” in the same sentence. 2 gold stars for you.
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I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Grow up.
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by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Condit vs Hendricks in July makes sense. Let’s see if either guy can handkerchief a much different style matchup.
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Damn phone. Handle, not handkerchief.
by Hardcharger on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer Condit-Ellenberger 2 if Jake beats Diego.
But I got no problem with this either.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Let Condit have his fight Diaz fans can GTFO and STFU.
If GSP is not ready by November then have Condit and Jake fight if he can beat Diego. Then you can have Kos fight Diaz. Would like to see how Diaz would fare against Kos wrestling.
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This is why interim titles are bullshit
And have no doubt, Condit, who I am a fan of, isn’t the champion of anything.
So you put an interim title in place, that way it can be out on hold until GSP is healthy, rather than just waiting until GSP is healthy. What a joke.
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I’m not saying there HAS to be a rematch, but he should definitely fight someone.
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He should fight Ellenberger if / when he beats Sanchez.
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If he fights again
they should just give the winner the for reals belt. No more of this limbo business.
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makes sense to me
Honestly, Diaz should just campaign to fight whoever is next high ranking and just smash them and make a statement that he wants the winner of GSP/Condit.
WW is a pretty deep division, I can’t see the UFC giving someone a title shot right after a loss.
No need to fight Nick again, but the UFC should push Condit to defend.
The point of an interim title belt is to keep the division moving while the champ is out. If the interim belt is going to be on hold until November, they might as well do an interim-interim belt. I mean really, what is the point of such a belt if not to be defended during the champ’s time off?
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by pud333 on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If GSP isn't ready
Hendricks vs. Condit. It’s a fresh match up and you get a new contender either way.
Diaz could fight any good welterweight coming off a loss (maybe a Rick Story or a Mike Pierce) or if they just want to match him up, put him up against Alves.
Alves has crushing leg kicks, but also has terrible ring generalship. I would be a great fight for Diaz to show why he is a bad mutherfuker.
Condit should defend
Why bother having an interim title to then hold that up for 9-10 mths?
I guess what we need now is an Interim Interim belt. Diaz can fight for that.
I think the point many people are missing
is the reason he is catching so much flack for his “tactical” approach.
Lemme explain, before Saturday night, I was a fan of both these guys. This was a dream match-up for me. No matter what happend I was gonna have a blast.
Imagine my disappointment after the fight… I was a fan of Condit for his violent style and his bring-it mentality. Seeeing him ‘tactically outrun’ Diaz, was even worse for me than to see him take a beating. I loved to see Carlos Condit fight before Saturday night, but by just throw all the things that made him an exciting fighter out of the window as soon as there was more money on the line really made me reconsider.
So, without even worrying about Diaz losing or the incredibly inconsistent judging, I was sad to see our sport lose yet another great fighter.
And Malki Kawa, don’t forget the most important opinion of all: THE FANS !!! We want to see a rematch !!!!
You know what? You know freakin what?
I do want a re-match. That fight sucked sack, big time. I am annoyed with Condit and Diaz both. Condit looked like a ferocious pit bull with no teeth and a muzzle, and Diaz…Christ almighty, adapt bro, adapt! It wasn’t until there was one minute left in the fight that he remembered about his jits. I love your boxing style, but c’mon Nick, you aren’t known for your one-punch KO power (cue someone posting the Diaz/Lawler KO gif). When it’s obvious you’re behind, the thing to do is try to finish, which you did, but too little too late. Grrrr.
That said…..REMATCH!! WAR DIAZ! DON’T BE SCARED CONDIT!
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Bust his chops! Oh, that hurts my parts!
this thread is like a collection of nursery school children
diaz lost.
get over it and stop with the crying and bellyaching
This reminds me of another fight but there wasn't as much uproar about it
Rumble vs Hardy
We all know Hardy’s gameplan for all his fights and Rumble said in all the prefight video packages that he was gonna KO him, stand and bang, etc etc
“I wanna stand with everybody cause I think that’s where you show yourself the men and the boys” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5_CcOZoTg)
I don’t remember anyone getting as upset that Rumble “went back on his word” and took Hardy down for 3 rounds. I remember people being upset about Rumble “lay and pray” the whole time. Rumble executed a gameplan to exploit Hardy’s weakness.
So why is this any different?
Because Anthony Johnson
who I don’t like as a fighter either btw, at least didn’t run backwards. Lay’n’pray (which I really hate, bring back those yellow cards) at least offers the other fighter the opportunity to attempt submissions, attempt to get back up, attempt to do damage from the bottom.
Running away simple ruins the fight. It means youre opponent cant do anything, I means you cant do anything (which is why Condit threw 68 legkicks without Diaz noticing, for comparison Cyborg Santos threw 5 and you could see the effect), and worse of all, it means the fans are at home watching a boring game of catch.
That match-up shoud have been a draw imo. You can’t declare a winner if there has not been a fight.
Without Diaz noticing?
Did you watch the whole fight? He’s was noticeably slowed.
And Apple Crumble laying on Hardy is more interesting that Condit, who got of bad spots and utilized controlled-agression?
And are you fucking joking about “he can’t do anything”? He could, he was repeatedly told what to do, and he didn’t. Tough shit.
by Violent Newt on Feb 7, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
If you throw 68 legkicks
and you’re opponent is still standing, they we’re not good effective legkicks.
I liked Condit a lot before this fight, and I in no way counted him out using the skills he usually employs. But the gameplan he implied here ruined the fight imo.
I didn’t even get the feeling Condit got to showcase his any of his best skills here.
Diaz doesnt deserve a rematch
He lost that fight 4 to 1 rounds on my card, and he handled the loss with no sense of maturity.
That said, Condit should fight before GSP’s return. I think Jake Ellenberger, with a win over Sanchez, is the most deserving choice. Johnny Hendricks should get the shot if Jake loses.
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by sitnam90 on Feb 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
LOL @ People being upset that Condit didn't fight against the cage
He maintained the centre of the cage and avoided being against the cage.
What Diaz fans SHOULD be upset about is the fact that Nick COULD NOT ADJUST to Condit’s movement and modify his plan of attack accordingly.
He could’ve stopped stalking him, allowed Condit come to him and work his counter striking OR attempt to find a way to get the fight to the ground.
HIs 1 dimensional approach prevented him from winning the fight.
Live with it.
Nick Diaz is the new BJ Penn
1). A fight style composed primarily of BJJ and Boxing.
2). Surrounded by “Yes” men, who tell him what a bad-ass he is.
3). Completely unwilling to accept any loss and take any sort of accountability for his own failings.
4). Full of apologist fans who don their tinfoil hats after every loss.
On Saturday night I saw a razor close fight between two elite level fighters that really could have gone either way. Neither guy really did any major damage to the other, and neither fighter really pressed for the finish.
Both guys followed their game plan all night long. Neither made much in the way of adjustments. Personally, I thought Carlos won, but I wouldn’t have been surprised to see Diaz get the decision.
Then give Nick a rematch and see what happens
I guarantee that Diaz fights “smarter” next time and takes Carlos down by the second round and eventually wins by submission…Diaz’s BJJ is Carlos’s running/avoiding
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If he had thought he had a good chance to win that way, he would've done it repeatedly.
He did take Carlos down and was unable to submit him.
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That's a pretty good comparison
I thought the fight exposed Nick’s limitations. At least BJ started mixing effective takedowns somewhat into his game plan. Diaz doesn’t seem to have the ability (he tried and failed against Condit and Condit doesn’t have the best TD defense). And he doesn’t seem to be quite willing to pull guard.
I kept thinking back to Silva/Leites, Overeem/Werdum, and Quarry/Starnes: It’s bloody hard to fight someone and look good while they’re disengaging frequently. Actually, Overeem/Werdum had a bit of the same aspect of striking volume vs dominant positioning, and a bit of the same disappointment among fans.
I think Nick made some decent efforts to cut Condit off and take him down, but got met a couple times with Condit (literally) jogging off. At that point I think you either have to tackle the guy like in football or sprint after him…
And that’s kinda the heart of the fight, IMO: if you feel, as Nick Diaz apparently does, that being the aggressor and forcing your opponent to back down and occasionally run off outweighs eating some lightly-damaging strikes, then Nick was well ahead and was forcing the fight by coming forward and didn’t need to go crazy. If you think that strikes landed is the primary measure of a round, then you saw Nick Diaz behind and not making the big plays to really get Condit down until the last round. We know how the judges feel.
It is difficult, but not impossible. Three different fighters have beaten Machida, who is the master of that technique.
As you pointed out, octagon control doesn’t mean much in comparison to strikes landed. Diaz shouldn’t be upset in that regard as he should have known this from many examples of other fights. Where he might have a beef is that he may have landed the more significant strikes.
All that aside, I just thought it was a good point to bring up that Diaz has some limitations that, had they been addressed, might have resulted in a different outcome to that fight.
In all seriousness
Since the fight was so spectacular, why not do it again? Who wouldn’t want to see those two killers engage in another dogfight?
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who felt that way ?
some scored it for carlos, some for diaz, but all thought it didn’t live up to the expectations, that said, some of those expectations were forced upon people by themselves, following this sport as long as i have, i learned not to go in with that feeling no matter who’s on the card, there is too much uncertainty in this sport, and nothing is guaranteed.
I enjoyed the fight and was very impressed with Condit’s performance. The key is to try and not allow yourself to be shoehorned by the hype and have no expectations about each bout; just let them unfold before your eyes. I had no idea what to expect from this bout, like I never have any idea of what to expect from any MMA bout. Sometimes you walk away disappointed and sometimes you feel privileged to have witnessed an epic fight; either way I’d rather have my experience determined by the actual fights, not by preconceived notions of what the fight “should be.”
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It’s called human nature and real life. Most people cannot divorce themselves from previous experience — those that can, I think we’d call stupid (someone who doesn’t learn from past events). In this case, Condit and Diaz are guys who were technical but also fearless and willing to trade. We didn’t get that and thus were disappointed. I don’t understand how this point can be debated.
by Pantherhare on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Another"? As if, we saw an actual dogfight last week?
I’d rather have them fight other people to be honest. I am not blaming Condit, he fought a smart fight, and Nick deserved the loss, but I don’t want to see another 25 minutes of this.
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I think he's just saying his opinions.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 7, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
The willingness of the Internet to complete write off a guy after one fight
continuously amazes me.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
So many examples of this
Werdum, Fabricio (after the second Overeem fight)
Henderson, Dan (after the Anderson and Rampage losses)
Silva, Wanderlei (before the Bisping fight)
Fighters lose, and sometimes they don’t look good. That doesn’t mean they’ve suddenly become awful overnight, but it’s easier for fans to latch onto a “this guy sucks” narrative than it is to actually try to think through what went right or wrong during a fight.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, so, we are all fans and we all have favorite fighters. If you are a Diaz fan, it has been a long road to get back to the spot Nick was in Saturday night. He lost a decision that could have very easily gone one way or the other. Very easily. It is not unusual for fans to want to see a rematch. Or to be upset about the outcome. But, can we please stop with the juvenile, junior high, homophobic, butthurt and nuthugger insults. What is this? Fucking Sherdog?
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Name-calling
Is such a crutch. If one disagrees, rationally explain why; formulate an thesis and present evidence in support of that argument. The fact that we’ve seen so much low-level discourse in the aftermath of this fight is perhaps understandable, but it’s getting ridiculous three days after the event ended.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Three days of this is enough. It’s time for folks to grow up.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
I for one am sick of it there has to be something else to talk about . I thought Diaz one but I really don’t care anymore.
lmao @ "warrior spirit that reminds you of an old Jean Claude Van Damme film"
Anderson’s got that Steven Seagal spirit
You must defeat me to stand a chance.
You do realise we're discussing something here called the "Ultimate Fighting Championship"
So don’t laugh at me for being chilldish. There’s nothing wrong with evoking childhood memories of movies like Bloodsport, when discussing a sport which is so clearly inspired by those types of film.
No rematch.
It will look exactly like the first fight who wants to sit through that again. Since Diaz refuses to adjust mid fight and Condit/Jackson already figured out the perfect strategy to beat him. I would much rather see a rematch of Shogun/Hendo the best MMA fight of all time. I think it will be announced soon haven’t heard anything about either one of them for awhile.
That fight isn't happening.
Shogun and Hendo want to live into their 50s.
Ahoy-hoy.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 7, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Of Course
the Condit camp doesn’t want a rematch. There is a lot to lose and not much to gain. This doesn’t mean that the rematch doesn’t make sense for the UFC and for the fans which are basically one in the same. I see no reason to bench Condit for 9 months plus, and there is no one else who should be ahead of Diaz in line for a shot at Condit.
only the dumbest of the dumb
209ers actually believed a rematch could/would/should happen. Condit has nothing to gain so he will not be interested in a fight he just won. Geez – we should give Lesnar a rematch with Reem – you know – cuz so many people wanted Lesnar to win and that now appears to be the new rematch criteria: U
FC Rule 9(a)-1-22B – “If a large enough portion of the fanbase are rooting for one combatant to win a match, and said popular combatant loses match, and immediate rematch should be booked to appease fan sentiment. If said popular fighter resides in the 209 area code, combatant should be granted as many rematches that are necessary for that combatant to secure a win. Approval of rematch will not be required from winning combatant, as he will be mandated to take fight.”
GEEZ.
by TREY JACKSON on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lesnar got his ass and liver handed to him. Nick lost a controversial decision. If you can’t see the difference I don’t know what to tell you. Did Shogun warrant a rematch?
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did Shogun Warrant a rematch?
In which fight? Obviously int the 1st Machida fight. He also warranted a rematch in the Hendo fight. The difference between Shogun and Diaz and a rematch is that Shogun doesn’t lose rematches he comes in with a new and improved strategy we haven’t seen Diaz in to many rematches besides KJ Noons but if the rematch happens do you really see the fight being that different from the first time around?
I do. I think he checks those leg kicks, he counters as Carlos circles, and most importantly he goes to the ground more. The adjustments he needs to make aren’t that dramatic, it seems he thought what he was doing was working. And mostly it was. It was a close fight.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is possible...
but its Greg Jackson we are talking about here that was 100% his game plan Carlos just followed it perfectly. All they would have to do is come up with a new game plan this time it would probably be the old tried and true take him down and lay on him for 5 rounds. That was worked against Diaz plenty of times before.
Nick would tap Carlos with that gameplan. The gameplan they used was a one off. It won’t work again because now Nick will be ready for it. Carlos isn’t going to roll with Nick. That leaves him with trying to finish him. Have at it. That’s the fight we all expected till Carlos went the point route.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It would be pretty much on par with BJ's rematch with Edgar.
Maybe not quite as controvertial (Diaz’ fans are much more vocal about their disappointment)…but similar. I thought Condit won but I thought it was a good fight and wouldn’t complain about a rematch. That said, Condit would win a rematch too and I think in a more convincing fashion since Nick seem to gameplan properly.
"If Tyson Griffin was a girl, I would say he has a badonkadonk." -Joe Rogan
what? I meant Nick doesn’t seem to gameplan properly.
"If Tyson Griffin was a girl, I would say he has a badonkadonk." -Joe Rogan
Carlos is not a point fighter. Nick gameplanned for a guy that was different than who showed up. Carlos fought a smart fight to work out a decision, certainly not to finish. If that’s who he is going to be I think it would be very easy for Nick to adjust to Carlos the point fighter as opposed to Carlos the finisher.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Shogun fight was razor thin though. Diaz won a couple of rounds, sure, but when you look back at the fight it’s pretty obvious that Condit won.
Well, obvious to anyone with any knowledge of how MMA works.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 7, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
There are lots of people who know how MMA works that thought Diaz won. It was razor thin, especially the 1st and 5th round.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and the thing is I don’t want to see a rematch and I doubt any of the casual fans that were promised a war and got whatever we saw Saturday would be dumb enough to shell out the $50+ for the PPV you know the old saying fool me once……wont get fooled again lol and as far as Cesar Gracies rant about the judges hating Diaz think of Shogun look at his 2 decision losses in the UFC he got flat out robbed against Machida in the first fight and the Hendo fight was close to he should have won or at least got the draw if anyone had a right to bitch about judges it would be Shogun.
DUH!
That is the point. There are some people that believe Diaz got his ass kicked. Did you see his face? What about the fight stats? Based on your criteria – why are you not screaming for Mike Pierce to get a rematch with Kos?? That was a much closer fight – heck – Pierce was robbed by a bad decision. This whole farce is nothing but blind fandom. If any of the people spouting on for a Diaz rematch honestly believed it was the right/fair thing to do – you would be spending as much, if not more time defending Pierce. Based on this flimsy “my fav fighter lost a close match so he deserves a rematch” criteria – I could list dozens and dozens of matches that were every bit as close that no one yelled rematch. Move. On, OR spend some more time talking about how Diaz would have finished Condit with a choke in the 5th if he knew he was behind. I have never laughed harder at a dumber comment than this – and yet I have seen no less than a handful of people actually saying Diaz chose not to finish Condit because he believed he was going to win a decision. Funny. Funny. Funny! Fandom can be blinding.
by TREY JACKSON on Feb 7, 2012 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s funny how you keep talking about blind fandom when your blind hate clearly has you missing simple logic. No one, NO ONE, was saying Nick got his ass kicked except people who hate Nick. And the reason why you look for a rematch in this situation, and not Kos/Pierce, is because it is for a belt. Just like Shogun/Machida or Penn/Edgar. But, it makes no sense trying to convince someone who is so blinded by hate they can’t even see a glint of reality.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nate: “Don’t change a thing bro – unless you want to, or don’t. You got this bro. easily 4 rounds to 1. That punk Condit may be throwing twice as many strikes and landing a lot more than you, and yeah bro – yóur face is a little busted up, but dang bro, you are straight walking him down. You are straight repping the 209 bro!! 4-1! 4-1! You got the badest walk down in mma bro and believe this – the judges see it! ! When you walk him down with that badass 209 mean mugging walkdown, maybe you can try throwing a few strikes at him – or don’t – its toitally up to you bro, cuz your agressive walking easily won 4 rounds. Damn bro – you gotz the most aggressive, mean mugging walk down ever. Just keep doing what you are doing!! Keep walking bro. Let that punk Condit throw all the strikes he wants to. Every butt in these seats came to watch the 209 walk down!! 4-1 bro! 4-1!”
by TREY JACKSON on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Condit vs Hendricks
Do it. Do it now.
by rockyman500 on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
on a side note
i thought it was a decent card and the new intro was pretty cool. FINALLY THE GLADIATOR HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!
HOW COME no one is taking about the new intro or did i miss something?
i’d gladly watch a rematch just to see the intro again.
and to all the nuthuggers of Diaz
Was I the only one not impressed by the new Intro?
I mean it was nice and all but i heard they spent an absurd amount of money on what looked like to me UFC action figures busting up some drywall and a lot of key fighters/moments where missing. For instance BJ’s flying Knee on Sean Sherk it was cool and all but I can think of about 10 better moments to put up beside that one.
by nickrodamous on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
they had to do a lot of photoshop
and I think the UFC was trying to put up more recognizable fighters since they did start with Royce and Shamrock>Tito vs Liddel>Randy Couture vs Sylvia>BJ or whatever the order was. I think it was more of a “natural progression” of the sport instead of just the “wtf moments OMG DO THAT AGAIN”
This is so frustrating
Not even as a condit fan but as a logical human being. Nick Diaz is probably the most disrespectful unprofesional fighter in the ufc and its not like he even shows love to his fans. But people ride his dick like there is no tommorow. He is the new Fedor, people love him and make excuses for him no matter what. The fight was not even that close, Condit clearly won. His gameplan was engage, attack, counter, and not be there for Diaz’ counter by slipping and getting back to the center of the cage. He did not run. Nick is certainly a great fighter but he lost. Let him fight his way back to a title shot like everyone else.
I don't understand
According to many fans Condit kicked the living shot out of Diaz why would Condit not want an easy big money rematch
apparently they ARE having a rematch
holy shiiii—-
several tweets about it from Dana. apparently Carlos is the one who wants it (lol @ Nick wanting it the same night): https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite
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