UFC 143 Results: Nick Diaz Trainer Cesar Gracie Blasts Judges For Condit Decision
by Nate Wilcox on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM EST
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Nick Diaz made no secret of his unhappiness with the judges decision in his loss to Carlos Condit at UFC 143. Diaz went so far as to declare his retirement from MMA as a result of the decision. Now his coach Cesar Gracie has made it clear he agrees with Diaz, even if he's not retiring himself.
Gracie spoke to Ariel Helwani on the MMA Hour today
"I literally just got off my computer to watch that first round again," he said on Monday's edition of The MMA Hour. "And I thought, you'd have to be insane to think a guy chasing the other guy down, landing the significant punches, and running after a guy, trying to fight a guy who will not fight, that is scared to fight, and you lose? How do I tell my fighter what he should have done better? It takes two men to fight. If one guy doesn't fight, that should be a point deducted."
Gracie said that the judges' scoring might have been personal rather than unbiased.
"I don't think the judges like Nick," he said. "He comes off, he talks in the ring... Carlos was running at one point, and Nick slapped him in the face said, 'Quit running.' We were there for a dogfight. Carlos said he'd provide for the fans a dogfight, a great fight where they were going to go at it. That was not a dogfight. It takes two to make a dogfight. One guy running away is not a dogfight.
"I don't know what the judges were looking at," he continued. "They've never liked Nick in Vegas. They've never voted for him in a decision. The only one was the BJ Penn fight, and he almost had to kill BJ to get that one. I don't think they like his attitude, a guy that's going to go out there and talk. I think they think he's disrespectful. They're going to find a reason to judge against him. I don't think he can get fair judging in that state at all."
Mike Chiappetta has more from Gracie at MMA Fighting.
I worry that Diaz isn't getting the realistic feedback he needs from his very insular camp. Like Diaz, his teammate Jake Shields thrived in the weaker Strikeforce environment but has struggled in the UFC. I wonder if broadening their horizons a bit might be helpful to the whole team.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
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I would have a horseshoe surgically implanted in my ass just so Brock would pull it out and beat me over the head with it while I pleasure myself.
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LEt me sum this up so we can all save some time:
(Hardcore fan watches as Cain gets KOed in 60 seconds against JDS, Lesnar craps himself and quits against Overeem, Rashad puts on a classic Rashad-fest so boring that half the crowd walks out halfway through the fight, and Condit circles and leg kicks his way to a title, in addition to the LW title being held by a personality-less non finishing Smurf that absolutely no one cares about, and the FW and HW titles being held by guys who barely speak English if at all, all of which has gradually led up to the PPV buy rate collapsing to around 250k per event):
“What? Jesus, whats the problem?? Theres no problem here! This is the purity of sport, mother fuckers!! PURE, GET IT? PURELL isnt as pure as this shit, bitches!! Transitions, dont you get it WE LOVE TRANSITIONS!!We dont need you!! We will kick it old school and go back to McNichols arena in front of 2000 people, dont fucking tempt us, you ungrateful stupid heathens!!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THE BEAUTY OF MMA?”
(Just Bleed fan): “Why cant they all be like Shogun/Hendo?? We hate ground work! We hate LNP!! We hate everything other then two guys in a phone booth winging shots! Condit ran!! Put on your track shoes, pussy!! Im done with MMA, they are cheating!! Chain em together lumberjack WWF style!! Thatll fix it!!”
Does that pretty much sum it up for both sides?
by Hutchy on Feb 6, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
more like the most incoherent…
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
preach
people always gotta whine, they have already made up their mind on how the fight should happen and if it doesn’t go according to their preconceived idea, they will complain and find a negative.
on that note, after watching the fight great performance by both condit and diaz, condit kept circling left, diaz should have been able to counter that during the later rounds. props to condit, he seemed to have more energy in the later rounds, great use of more mma striking tools. diaz was to one dimensional with his boxing except for the last minute when he took condits back
Even Cecil "Leg Kicks Don't Win Fights" Peoples scored it for Condit, right?
That’s gotta say something…
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no it doesn't
Condit might have won but using the opinion of a fool to support your argument isn’t a good move.
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Thanks a lot.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 6, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Its says Cecil’s helper monkey Charles, who makes his decisions, was sober that drunk that day.
There you go.
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Please.
Diaz won the fight fair and square. I usually don’t even take time to comment cause it ain’t worth my time but seriously people. Stop trolling. I had it 3-2 for Diaz. And I hate Diaz. I mean Carlos Condit? Seriously? People who compare Condit and Machida are delusional. Machida fights like a man. Condit just ran. That’s all.
But having said all that. Diaz has been smoking too much weed. It’s affecting his thinking. Why didn’t he try harder to submit the guy? Why didn’t he change his strategy?
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 6, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
When you read the bible or Quran
do you consider them an opinion of someone? Well, the same applies to my analysis. I must humbly say :D
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with your reply is that...
so many people who cannot stand Diaz had him winning either 49-46 or 48-47. Hell even most of the pro MMA fighters have him winning the fight by these scores. My friends and I who absolutely wanted Diaz to lose and lose badly had him easily winning the fight. The only thing that we found truth in that night was a new nickname for Condit: ‘Track Star’.
1-3 for diaz? 3 was really close ,no?
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
i had it 1-3 diaz & rd 5 for diaz
altho3 was close. I had 3 friends rooting for condit & when the ended they were pissed & dissapointed…that was followed by shock after buffer said “the natural born killer”…which was followed by there a ton of laughter as the relished in the fact that diaz didnt get the decision
I had it 1 and 2 and 5 Diaz
3 and 4 for Condit. Anybody who saw the fight objectively had it that way. I am sorry. I don’t care for Diaz. I wish he lost the fight for real. I think GSP would just lay on him. But he won. You can’t take that away from him.
But no matter. I think he can beat someone like Kosh in a 5 rounder (maybe a main event) and then get a title shot. He will lose though. Diaz did get a bit exposed. He should have changed his strategy and checked for those legs. When is the boy going to learn?
Wouldn’t it be nice if both Nick and Nate got a title shot at the same time? Now that would be awesome :) But both won’t win it ….
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh sheeple....
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Grand Slam, right?
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Something like that…haha
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by Chris Hall on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
diaz didn’t do much in 5 except the TD and some back control. It’s not abundently clear that outweighs Carlos’ effective striking earlier in the round.
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Their striking was relatively even in the fifth. And he didn’t just get some back control. He took him down and got mount on his back. That tipped the round in Nick’s favor in my opinion.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1.back mount is when you are on top of someone’s back and they are stomach down. Nick never had that position. He had back control and a body triangle from the bottom, never any kind of top mount.
2.Nick ate a knee and a kick clean to the face. his kicks were slow and carlos clearly outworked him in the striking. It wasn’t that close till the takedown .
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
ok, i was wrong about back mount requiring top position but he still didn’t do anything with it for the minute that he had it. I can see giving him the round particularly if you value position better than landing a few more good strikes .That head kick landed pretty hard tho!
1and 2 pretty clear for Diaz. 4 for condit. 3 and 5 super close.
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by Hardy's in your face on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
So how biased is Fightmetric?
Is there where you reference the Bible or Vishnu or some other meaningless bullshit?
Your opinion is wrong. Your subjective judgement is inferior to an objective systematic analysis.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I look at Fightmetric like sabremetrics in baseball. It tells one part of the story, and at times can be extremely insightful, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not sure why you are bringing religion into this.
As I said, I don’t have opinions. If you do, good for you. I am the sound in people’s head that they don’t ever listen to and they should. But as I said. This fight was insignificant to me. GSP would beat both these guys.
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oh that's subtle.
Haha. You funny, dog.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with FightMetric.
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by BadB on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
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by Fear the RUSH on Feb 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Another classes punk
that people idolize…
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
This attitude is not in any way helpful to Diaz. Agree with the decision or not Gracie needs to break down why Nick lost on the cards and blaming “biased” judges doesn’t do that.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Of course they are going to work on adjustments. But, Cesar, like many others, thought Diaz won the fight and in an interview with Ariel he isn’t going to talk about the adjustments needed, he’s going to say his fighter won. What do you expect?
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What you expect and what you would hope for
are completely different. We all know Cesar is going to come off like whiny and enforce Diaz’s paranoid, boohoo mentality. And that’s what separates him from great coaches like Jackson, who can come out and say they thought it was a close fight but we need to make some adjustments. They are secure enough to admit it.
Different strokes for different folks
This is the public persona that Diaz and Gracie have already created.
They obviously understand the fight game at CGJJ. From the looks of things, they understand the fight promotion game as well.
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Please. You don’t know what his personal training tactics are with Nick or what he would tell him after a fight. Like that Pure conjecture and probably wrong. And he wasn’t whiny. He was defiant. As he should be if he felt the judges stole a victory from his fighter. Especially if he wants a rematch.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rage Quiting your Career
Is a bitch move… he does not deserve a rematch for that fact alone.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh shut up. I’m tired of people on their high horses about this. He was frustrated. He deserves a rematch no matter what the choir says.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No high horse
Just cant stand disrespectful punks, be frustrated, but dont cry like a bitch when you lost a super close fight.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fine. You don’t like him and how he reacted But, being frustratated because he lost a fight he thought he won in Las Vegas, where most his decision losses took place, after he just busted his ass for months, doesn’t disqualify him for a rematch, make him less intelligent, or a bad fighter.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
nick diaz isn't the first...
to be frustrated by judges/refs during or after a fight, there have been lots before him, and will be lots after him, erik silva comes to mind at ufc rio. there is no excuse for diaz’s childish behavior, that is all.
Exactly
He is his manager, after all.
He’s probably eying a rematch.
Like Diaz, his teammate Jake Shields thrived in the weaker Strikeforce environment but has struggled in the UFC.
Diaz is 1-1 in the UFC this time around. The win is over an all-time great and the loss was an extremely close decision in a title fight.
I don’t know if that’s struggling.
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by TheFilt on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He said as much when Ariel asked him
Gracie said he’d probably want a rematch.
It’s so hard to have a rational conversation here about Diaz or Gracie because the people that hate them hate them to the point of distraction. And everything either of those guys do becomes further validation of their dislike. I don’t think anything that Gracie said was that out of line, frankly. I thought Diaz won too, as do a lot of reasonable fight fans and insiders (including, as it turns out, Helwani). If I was his coach I’d be pissed also.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 6, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
And Shields
Beat a top 10 guy, lost to the GOAT at ww and lost to a top 5 guy. Don’t count him as struggling either.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Shields eeked out a decision over a guy most people think deserved the nod. The loss to GSP was forgivable because, well, it’s GSP. Ellenberger wasn’t even top 10 when he KO’d Shields though, so that’s not accurate.
Yep
Ellenberger became top 10 as a result of beating Shields.
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He also beat
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Among others between GSP and his previous loss. Shields totally deserved all the hype he got.
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by aaronb on Feb 6, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t disagree with any of that Filt. My point was mostly in the line of Cesar being an enabler of Diaz anti-social/paranoid tendencies. I also think there are better ways to campaign for a rematch than accusing NSAC judges of an anti-Diaz bias (this was my real problem with his statement).
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It's good to see his coach doesn't set an example.
Hate to see them man up and take an honest look at their performances and lack of strategic adjustment. His cornermen are basically fluffers.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
seems his fighters aren’t prepared for the UFC
Absolute crazy talk.
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by TheFilt on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All this disrespect
directed at a man who shows up to FIGHT every time. Nick Diaz is not there to win some game within a certain rule set. He’s there to fight. Casual fans dont want to see sloppy boxing and backpedaling. You all should appreciate that Gracie is trying to keep one of the few exciting fighters left in MMA just that, an exciting fighter.
by jaybot on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
See above:
“You all should appreciate that Gracie is trying to keep one of the few exciting fighters left in MMA just that, an exciting fighter.”
because nick might become a boring fighter if left to his own devices?
wheres that ari gold gif?
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Nick could actually become a very effective point fighter like GSP and Condit this past Saturday.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 6:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm the biggest Diaz fan
But Condit won that fight… Diaz tried hard to give the illusion that he was winning and the judges saw through that like Condit saw through the Nick Diaz fighting style.
Carlos won a contest.
He certainly didnt win a fight.
Damn you sbn app for not letting me witness the gifban
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by Chris Hall on Feb 6, 2012 9:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I do enjoy it when you get on a good banning streak.
I’m pretty sure you just banned a pro- and anti-diaz rule 4 violator within the span of a few seconds.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 6, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
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I don’t want to be right.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Your sig works excellently with this.
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what is that from?
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah fuck it, we don’t need this shit
by Afrotikiman on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey guys, I think I figured out why Nick lost!
Nick Diaz is not there to win some game within a certain rule set.
"You know, these guys want to talk about God. 'Oh, I want to thank God. I want to thank God.' Listen, I'm a God-fearing man, go to church every Sunday and have since I was a boy. But if I ever found out that God cared one way or another about a borderline illegal fist-fight on Saturday night, I would be so greatly disappointed that it would make rethink my entire belief system." ~ Chael Sonnen.
Nick Diaz is not there to win some game within a certain rule set. He’s there to fight
Do you understand how MMA works?
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by StevenGiles on Feb 6, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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LOL
I like both guys, but i was pulling for Nick. Dont want to blow smoke.
I don’t have a problem with the way Condit fought. If he fought like that all the time, but this is soooo far from what we’ve become accustomed to from Condit.
Hes always been the guy similar to Nick willing to give and take. The main reason he has as many fans as he does. If he would have fought Dan Hardy the same way I would understand this. But in that fight he was willing to stand in the pocket and trade with Hardy, but not Diaz? Also Condit was giving interviews coming into the fight saying he was going to finish Nick and he didn’t even attempt to end it at any point. Besides those 2 points dont have anything wrong with the way he fought.
by MJACTIVIST on Feb 6, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's about gameplanning
Condit can sit and trade in the pocket with C-level fighters all day. Against a top end boxer like Diaz. He needed to use footwork win. It’s about winning at the end of the day. Especially when a title is at stake.
Guarantee that Cain Valasquez uses a different gameplan against Overeem than he did against Lesnar. Should he need need to apologize in advance too?
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I'd wager sometime in the next 24 months
The Point is that you don’t play into your opponents strength. You look to exploit their weaknesses.
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Gameplan
I know all about game planning, but b/c u need to do a stick and move style fight doesn’t mean u never attempt to finish the fight.
Like I’ve already said here if Condit fought like Clay Guida or Frankie Edgar all the time, this wouldn’t be a surprise. But, I’ve never seen Condit be satisfied with just winning rounds. And thats what it seemed like this fight turned into.
Hope for my enjoyment, he wont ever fight like this again. Cuz that leg kick shit wont work with GSP.
I think his #1 objective was winning the fight
And since it was a title fight that got him
1) An interim Belt
2) The ability to start making close to a Million dollars per fight
I personally have no problem with what he did. If his next fight is against Justin Edwards or Matthew Riddle. We will see a different Carlos Condit in the cage.
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What would the UFC look like if Nick Diaz stops fighting? We’d be stuck watching wet blankets like JDS, Donald Cerrone, Jon Jones, Jake Ellenberger, Anderson Silva, Cain Velasquez, Alistair Overeem, Ben Henderson, Jose Aldo, Urijah Faber, Renan Barao, Fabricio Werdum, Thiago Alves, Thiago Silva, Lyoto Machida, Rampage Jackson, Dan Henderson……
Jesus, the list just goes on. Why can’t any of these punks learn to be exciting fighters?
WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
how do you tell him how to fight better?
Teach him how to cut off a fighter in the cage maybe.
Condit won the fight pretty easily. He didn’t play into Diaz’s game of taking damage on the fence. Every one, including fighters, are butt hurt because Diaz got out smarted up and down the cage. Running? No.. condit engaged when he wanted to and escaped when diaz backed him into the fence.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
If Nick actually had some footwork he could of done that.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
foot work?
Nick ‘the flat footed boxer’ diaz knows nothing of footwork.
I can’t wait til we see him box, like he threatened before. Boxers will do the exact same against diaz that condit did, minus the kicks. Then we’ll get to hear all the Diaz apologists complain that the boxer was runnin…. What a fucking joke.
I’m really surprised all these fighters and even diaz’s fuckin trainer didn’t see what condit was doing. Instead they call it running.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 6, 2012 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a boxer with even average power would have KO'd Nick for dropping his hands and showboating
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
there are no corners in an octagon
you can only corner someone in a ring
by Jason Robillard on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
He said cut off. Don’t need corners to cut off a fighter.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Rampage totally never stalked Machida down and caught him with his improved footwork.
That is why Rampage never managed to strike him that fight and hence lost all three rounds on the judges’ cards…
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 6, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
oh man..
Im a Diaz fan and that is seriously grasping at straws. The judges dont like him so they dont give him the round?? Come on..
On a side note, that bitch slap in the 2nd round cracked me up
*sigh*....shut up Cesar
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by dgonz on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
The best part of this gif
it’s not in slow motion. He just really took a long time to say Oh My God.
The only problem I have with this is that it has no basis in reality.
by castleeb on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
could someone please give their opinion
of who won diaz v. condit, and why? im just suprised no one on the internets has an opinion on the fight.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
But he was great in "Drive"!
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10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
In my opinion Condit was able to implement his gameplan and throughly outstrike Diaz for the majority of the fight.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
the problem with that
is that outside rd 4 most of his strikes were baby leg kicks that didnt do shit. Diaz clearly won the 1st 2, even dana’s dumbass thought so. How ppl didnt score the 5th for diaz was insane. Nuthin significant ahppened on the feet & diaz got a takedown & tool condits back with 2 sub attempts…If that was GSP he woulda got a 10-8
Grr
Of course they would be angry that someone who is known for fighting a certain way (entertaining) would be totally changed by Jacksons into someone that is totally different. Something that most people dont want to see. Condit didnt get a title shot for running away… Its anger towards Jacksons for exploiting MMA rules… Like when someone in a video game finds a glitch and decides to exploit it to his advantage.. Its cheating. But when it comes to Condit. Whats better to win or to be a great fighter that entertains the fans? he just about the money now?
Anyway remember Machida running away and winning, while everyone knew Shogun won… what about this? He ran away way more… Rules need to be changed because what is a fighter supposed to do? run a triathlon to catch up the this guy to maybe find him wiling to fight?
awesome idea!
bring a bike, and some running shoes, and…oh thats right, NICK DIAZ FUCKING LOST-GET OVER IT!!!!!!!! GODDAMNIT!!!!!!!!
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by Jason Robillard on Feb 6, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Increasingly so, yes.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Diaz could have used footwork to cut the cage off?
Maybe Diaz could have incorporated jabs or leg kicks to halt Condit from turning off the cage?
Maybe Diaz could have mixed in takedown attempts before the later rounds to force Condit to change his own plan?
Naw, you’re right dog, Condit just ran away and that is totally cheating! Nothing to be done about it except change to rules. Maybe I can suggest that Diaz and Condit are shackled to a bench and have to punch each other in the face until one is unconscious? That will prove who the better Mixed Martial Artist is for sure!!
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well
Looked to me like he was trying all that… but the problem is that you cant corner someone in an octagon right?
by Jason Robillard on Feb 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
No he didn't
#1: I am assuming you have seen Rampage vs. Machida, right? It is totally possible to cut off the Octagon despite its lack of corners.
#2. No, he didn’t bother cutting off Condit’s ability to escape at any time, he just waited for him to shell up, which never happened.
#3. What takedowns? 3 attempts in a 5 round fight and none until the 4th round… that isn’t going to force anyone to change their strategy man.
To paraphrase the Simpsons, Diaz tried nothin’ and he was all out of ideas!
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by Enmascarado on Feb 6, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
3 attempts in a 5 round fight and none until the 4th round…
I could have sworn Nick opened up the fight with a (horrible) attempt at a single leg, and when that failed, feinted another one immediately afterward. (I’ll concede my short term memory isn’t the sharpest tho…)
Nick tried to get the fight to the ground. He just has horrible TDs and Condit has good TD Defense.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit you don't how to read?
Cut off doesn’t mean corner. If Diaz used footwork to cut off the cage (like Rampage did against Machida) he wouldn’t had to chase Condit the whole night.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 6, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
know*
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 6, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
So...
People are not allowed to wrestle with Diaz and use top control because wrestling isn’t fighting and is predominantly used by homies that are scared.
People may not employ leg kicks and sound strategy as to provide them with the best chance to win.
No… The only way to fight a Diaz is toe to toe or whichever way gives them, personally, the greatest chance at a W.
Gotcha.
by TMadeBurner on Feb 6, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions 14 recs
watched the fight twice..
didnt see him, prolly hanging out with the ring girls, i know i would if i was cornering diaz bros coz they do their own thing no matter what.
God I love that Krogan SOB.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
part 3 is coming out soon!!!
Bioware ftw!!!
Go Wings!!!
by KGW on Feb 6, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
demo’s out next week. and i will probably soil myself in amazement.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 6, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a fan of either Diaz or Condit, but I find it hilarious that Diaz basically got schooled by Condit, and now everyone says he cheated? Look at Anthony Johnson vs Dan Hardy, Johnson said he was gonna stand and trade, but wrestled Hardy to an easy decision. Where was the outcry there? Condit and Jackson outsmarted Diaz and Gracie, Diaz had Plan A, to brawl and nothing else, Condit outsmarted him and won. Gracie and Diaz should learn to have a Plan B, not accuse Condit of cheating, saying he is a disgrace, and saying how he fought was shameful.
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I was really disappointed with that fight
You remember how the Rumble-Spaniard fight went? I’d bet Rumble could have done that to Hardy, if he felt inclined. And I don’t think Hardy could have put Rumble down. We were “treated” to three rounds of Rumble pinning Hardy, and not trying to finish lest Hardy scramble back to his feet.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Everytime I get angry about Cesar Gracie's delusional rants
I just remember this and feel happy again.
by blutspender on Feb 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Cesar had no business being there
Ridiculous, and hilarious.
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Making your MMA debut against one of the best fighters in the world ain’t shit in the 209.
Flash forward a few years:
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by TheFilt on Feb 6, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Would you rather debut against frank shamrock or bas?
by Afrotikiman on Feb 6, 2012 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bas
Take it to the ground and have some chance
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The diaz/condit fight is the kind of fight that slowly chips away at the at the guaranteed 300,000 PPV base that UFC currently gets. Fans pay for a fight but they get a chess match instead.
On another note. How many PPV buys were lost when the GSP/Diaz match became GSP/Condit? Any guesses?
by terzergoss on Feb 6, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just a good example of what i mean. I told my brother who only knows of mma through what i tell him (hes an nba guy)
“Go watch Rashad/Evans on fox its free and itll be awesome!” -me
“Eh that was kind of boring” -bro
“Sometimes that happens, but the next PPV with Diaz and condit those guys are gonna bring it no matter what”-Me
“Meh it was all right i guess”-Bro
by terzergoss on Feb 6, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why does condit owe me an apology? he fought pretty well, i just feel bad that it didnt live up to fight expectations.
a reasonable response? in this thread?
just dont understand all the hoopla, i enjoyed the fight.
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He owes something because the shit he was saying to sell the fight wasn’t close to what he showed up with. I know fighters say shit to sell fights but Carlos was heavy on the “this is gonna be a brawl, war, dogfight, etc.” and that’s not what he delivered. He got the W but turned off a lot of fans in the process. Now he gets to get taken down for five rounds against Georges and has the point game turned against him.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
At least we got see this
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by TheFilt on Feb 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Nick is a brilliant tactician
Its crazy that Carlos was able to keep his composure.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Lesser opponents would have taken the bait
see this all the time in other sports like basketball, football, etc. Diaz walks the walk, no doubt about it. But he ran into someone as mentally strong as he is.
Pure Ghetto Shit. If he’s so tough he should have cut the ring off, used his angles and knocked Condit out. He didn’t do it because he’s a moron. It takes smarts to be a great fighter. These Diaz brothers are total idiots and that is going to catch up with both of them real quick.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Diaz is a great fighter
hes at a higher level then most fighters will ever achieve.
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
No, not buying it...
Actually he coasted through Strikeforce and their subpar fighters. This guy has to be one of the most over rated fighters ever in MMA. Sure he’s top tier but on of the best ever? Give me a break. The dude has no mental fortitude, he broke mentally in the cage and broke mentally when the results were read. The dude needs some serious head work. Hopefully he gets it.
P.S. I have no respect for fighters like Nate that thinks its cool to slap people and taunt your opponent when you dont like the way the fight is going. Shows just how weak the guy is. GSP would have destroyed him.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
The best win he has on his record is a bloated, washed up BJ Penn
Not my idea of fighter at a “higher level then most fighters will ever achieve” but thats just me.
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The best win Carlos has
is Nick.
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This is true
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by Chris Hall on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
How did you score it, Chris?
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Check your email
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I never started making fallacious claims like "Condit is at a higher level then most fighters will ever achieve"
So that basically null and voids that point.
Besides id rate Ellenberger over Diaz and Stun Gun and RoryMac are solid wins and a helluva lot more impressive then Daley, Cyborg or KJ Noons.
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Calm down
I don’t even know what you’re talking about, but its not that serious.
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You don't sound any smarter yourself
Judging by the way you talk about people you never met.
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by TheFilt on Feb 6, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guarantee I have 50+ IQ points on Nate…. 100+ on Nick.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
So easy to do...
I mean, it’s not like Condit’s a good fighter or Greg Jackson’s a good coach or anything…
That was the exact moment I realized Nick was going to lose. If you can get slapped and still stick to your plan, nothing’s going to get you riled up.
This
I sat in a room full of laughing Diaz fans and told them all “shit talk doesn’t earn you points, he’s getting tagged.”
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Lol, best gif ever. It’s easy to spot how intimidated Condit was. That half assed leg kick was pathetic also, like 99% of his strikes on the fight.
To give him the win was a disgrace. Worst champion EVER!
He was so intimidated he continued to slam Diaz in the face with punches and chop his legs with kicks
He must have been shitting himself lol
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In that particular round
Carlos did look pretty tentative.
He got a lot more comfortable in the 3rd.
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lets not skew the numbers
While Condit did land more total strikes he landed less to the head and body then Diaz. And very few of the leg kicks would described as “chopping”.
Condit landed 12 power shots to the head & 43 jabs, 14 power shots to the body & 22 jabs, 18 power shots to the legs & 50 leg jabs.
Diaz landed 8 power shots to the head & 54 jabs, 22 power shots to the body & 27 jabs, 3 power shots to the legs & 3 jabs.
So as u can see Diaz landed more to the body and head.
43% of Condit’s landed strikes were leg kicks, and only 11% were with power. 34% were to the head, & 23% were body shots.
Carlos Condit didn't have that many fans to begin with.
Winning UFC title > appeasing unrealistic expectations of entitled MMA fans.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Feb 7, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I was and always will be a MASSIVE Condit fan.
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Condit changes his game for every fight. Period.
He fucking won. In every way.
Excuses, excuses.
Although I’m not the biggest fan of Condit not engaging Diaz for any length of time, Condit outstuck Diaz.
Hell even Compustrike had Condit land more strikes then Diaz did. If the facts are there for all to see, other then his figther losing he doesn’t have a lot to back up his claims on regarding the judges
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by MSEMCEE on Feb 6, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Shouldn't be a surprise..
where Nick gets his sore loser mentality from. Honestly, this is so wrong. If Condit was running and not there to fight, how did he out strike Diaz? Why was Diaz looking worse for the wear after the fight?
Unbelievable.
Attention, attention!
I would like to take this opportunity to plug my fanpost where I have transcribed most of what was said in Nicks corner during the fight with Condit:
It will show you that the camp is very well aware of “what to tell the fighter to do better”, that Nate thought Carlos was cheating with water and how incredibly sure he was about Nick winning that fight which probably contributed a lot to Nicks disappointment.
Also Cesar Gracie is talking BS all day. Especially when he’s talking about Nick, it seems.
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by KGNLuc on Feb 6, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Cesar is just being a good manager
and promoting a rematch.
People don’t get that.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Good managers aren’t supposed to fill your fighters up with delusions of grandeur. He should have been in his corner telling him to take Condit down or use angles to cut off Condit’s escape.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
They get their fighters title shots
Just because you don’t understand what’s going on doesn’t make him a bad manager.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
So you believe you know more about fighting than Cesar Gracie?
Only an fool would believe his corner didn’t know what to tell him.
In fact, there’s a fan post here on BE transcribing his corner during the fight.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
And what an outstanding fanpost that is!
Whoever wrote it must be very handsome and intelligent, wouldn’t you say?
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He should be fucking realistic and know that this fight could have gone either way. Not blame the judges and blame Vegas cause they dont like Nick. (ignoring the fact there is good reason not to like the dickhead) Ceasar should be teaching Nate what he did wrong, not bitching to the media about being robbed in a razor thin fight. It’s classless, but I wouldn’t expect anything less from the Diaz camp.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that
That just means he has good reason to be talking BS all day. ;)
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Exactly
Its his job.
He is a professional BS factory.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I worry that Diaz isn't getting the realistic feedback he needs from his very insular camp
Irony….
So…u feel dumb now?
by njrp77 on Feb 6, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Lol
Na only the opinions of the experts here on bloody elbow count….
Might as well be the BE opinions
since only 3 opinions count, and they had it for Condit. This aint american idol.
yea I really look to people that have trained with someone
for their “unbiased” opinion.
yea. not really.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 6, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
yea
I usually just go off of people on bloody elbow’s opinion, I mean they know so much about the sport being that everyone on this website is a professional fighter….
if you could offer a more neutral list of fighter tweets,
i could have validated your argument, not like this. everybody is fanboy deep down, even professional fighters, lets not kid ourselves.
Not entirely unbiased
But there’s plenty of fighters who scored it the other way.
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Wow seems to be quite the controversy, I don’t get it…I had Condit clearly winning 4 rds…1 guy walked forward the other landed strikes..
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
yep
give me 10-15 neutral opinions like that, then we have something, but that’s unreal, most people in life are fanboys, kids, adults alike, my mom prefers her brand of yogurt over my aunt. bias is everywhere, even among professionals.
and these journos are no better, the guy is throwing helwani’s name like he is immune to bias, he is not better than gareth davies.
Helwani trained with Nick?
after Nick threatened to beat him up for having an interview? Ariel’s tougher than I thought.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 6, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
yes... i already addressed that
got anything for the other 10 people we’ve talked about?
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 7, 2012 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that two guys fought in the same fight promotion
or that they live in the same state, or that they shared a cab to the airport once, or whatever, is not a particularly strong reason to invalidate their opinion.
I don’t know exactly what the OP was shooting for, but I think he was providing evidence to contradict the notion that the only people scoring the fight for Diaz were “fanboys”. And if that was the goal, I think he provided a very strong representative sample.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 7, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not all those dudes train w/ Nick Diaz,
at least I’d be VERY surprised if Pat Militech ever trained w/ Cesar Gracie dudes.
It was a close fight, not sure why rational people (watching in real time no less) can’t score it different ways.
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Wouldn't it be much simpler
if this was a very close fight knowledgable people scored different ways?
Maybe it is just me, but that seems like a cleaner explanation than “bias” from a bunch of guys who aren’t on the same team, don’t live together, didn’t grow up together, and have no reason to state anything other than their opinion.
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cant take the SF people seriously in this matter....
there is obvious bias here, he is after all their golden boy! and joe lauzon is a total penn/diaz mark.
obvious bias?
Yet you only mention Lauzon, what about hendo, lindland, helwaini? all bias?
obvious bias from SF ppl!
mmafighting had a similar story with these tweets, almost all SF ppl including honda housey picked diaz, not really a shocker! hendo/lindland = SF, helwani has been a diaz fanboy for long, if you watch his radio show, you would know.
last i checked
hendo has trained with them on small occasions in the past, them both being not a far drive from each other, also another SF guy. I trust lindland’s opinion about as far as I can throw him on anything UFC related, he’s also fought for SF. I can see people going 3-2 for Diaz, but saying “I had it Diaz, have to rewatch” is about the least fiery remark up there.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 6, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hendo
Had never seen Condit fight before, and picked Diaz beforehand. Whether he was aware of it or not, I think there’s a little confirmation bias in his scoring.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well done, sir.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i gave it 48-47 to diaz
but i could understand carlos winning by a round but i definitely believe that nick diaz’s antics might lead a judge to giving a close round the other way. then again the three judges scores indicate they might’ve just tossed a coin to decide the winner of each round- jarman and peoples got 4 out of the 5 rounds wrong in my opinion,
The third and fourth I can see going to Carlos. I don’t see how he lost the 1st, 2nd, and 5th. The fifth was the closest to me but Nick’s take down and getting his back pushed that into Nick’s favor, in my opinion. It was close. Nick should have tried harder for the sub at the end of the 5th. I want to see a rematch.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ben Henderson: “Wow seems to be quite the controversy, I don’t get it…I had Condit clearly winning 4 rds…1 guy walked forward the other landed strikes..”
Jon Anik: “Carlos Condit’s championship execution would be lauded in any other pro sport. Diaz is outstanding. That’s how you beat him.”
Stephan Bonnar: “All I gotta say is #followingthegameplantoaT . Congrats to the natty born killer!”
TJ_Grant: Props to the underdog … He deserved the fight. Great performance #ufc143
EddieWineland: CongratsCarlosCondit! Looked great buddy!! RossTheRealDeal: @FightersOnly @joelauzon @dukeroufus @jonfitchdotnet @bisping I had condit wining a silky pants kickboxing match 3rds to 2rds Gareth A. Davies: "ufc 143 @ufc no issue with the winner myself carlos condit had great game plan and executed it. refused to stand in front of diaz" Jon Fitch: "jonfitchdotnet: I think condit won"
Miesha Tate: “@mieshatate: I thought Condit won the fight I know Diaz is pissed but Condit had a solid game plan that worked, I thought he won for sure”
Josh Gross: “48-47 Condit on my card. Wish we got more grappling.”
Brian Stann: “@carloscondit won that fight in my opinion, so happy for him, put a belt around his waist!! He is a great person & father”
javiershowtime: Diaz won the 5th but Condit won 3 rounds to 2
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Aaron Simpson: “I scored the same…but real close. RT @KevinI: How did you score the rounds last night @aaronsimpson? I gave Diaz 1-2 and Condit 3-4-5”
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by MattParker117 on Feb 6, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Most of these fighters and experts
Unlike those who scored it for Diaz, have zero relationship with Carlos.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure some of them have the anti-Diaz bias that many of the pro-Diaz have in the other post. The bottom line is this could have gone either way. That’s evident in how each judge scored the rounds.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
I don’t buy any argument that says either guy dominated the fight. I had Condit 48-47 and stick by it, but I see a 48-48 draw or 48-47 Diaz as totally defensible scores depending on precisely what criteria a viewer employs.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why I’m hoping Dana and Joe can get them to rematch. I love the idea Ariel talked about today of having them headline the UFC on Fox with Nate fighting as well. I think that’s brilliant.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to see that
We could lay this crap to rest. I’m so sick of people hating on both Condit and Diaz; Condit fought a smart fight, Diaz kept it close but didn’t adjust to Condit’s movement and game plan, and it was incredibly close regardless of one’s actual scoring.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
it will be like edgar/maynard 2
condit will prove that is a BAMF by pulling out another UD, nick will gogoplata joe rogan out of frustration, then they will both hang and smoke some MJ.
I’d pay to see that.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
then why did you say they were related to Condit if you didnt know?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
That a massive overstatement,
most of those guys above have minimal to no relationship w/ Nick.
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Google is unaware of such a site,
to what are you referring?
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Where are ya njrp77?
i gotta wonder if you feel dumb now.
i mean, its like you went on twitter and only looked up those who had your opinion, but who on the internet would possibly ignore opinions that contradict his own?!?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
why would he feel dumb? The point is that the result was viewed as controversial and there were people in the business who question it. That doesn’t change the result, but it definitely calls it into question. Gracie is known for backing his camp to absurd levels, but apparently many in MMA are agreeing with him on this one.
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by tigerlee on Feb 6, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can conclusively say
you all spend way to much time of the twitter.
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Funny. I don't see a single judge.
So, with all due respect, I don’t give a shit what these guys think.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 6, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
I admire your deep respect for the opinion of the karataka
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Instead of Schrodinger’s Cat maybe we should experiment with Schrodinger’s Cecil Peoples.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn...
idk know what the fuck I was watching, but I CLEARLY saw Condit winning the fight…along with Rogan. I saw Condit pressuring, briefly trapping Condit against the cage and landing a few flurries/combos, Condit escaping and using a variety of strikes and leg kicks. Basically for every one cage flurry that Diaz landed, it seemed to me that Condit landed 2 flurries along with a few leg kicks. MMA judging be damned because I really didn’t see Diaz winning that fight at all!
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by SentientAndroid on Feb 6, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with Diaz and Gracie
Is that at its highest level of expression, machismo is indistinguishable from stupidity. Seems like an all too common malady among many Brazilians and thugs from the 209.
disagree on the brazilieros.
they are far too often to side with reason, andy is sometimes crazy like that, but he has all the rights in the world to be so.
i was really impressed with erik silva, and the way he gracefully accepted that B.S call from mario.
That’s a silly, borderline xenophobic, statement. Cesar believes his fighter was robbed and he is defiantly standing by it. As he should. If his manager isnt going to stand up for him, who will? I don’t know how you throw Brazilians into the comment as well. Ridiculous.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The actual fight & the response to the fight remind me too much of Trinidad vs De la Hoya
I hated that fight and I hate this one.
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If this were a boxing match
People would have been in agreement that Condit is stinking up the joint. Larry Merchant would have chewed him out after the fact asking Condit if he thinks he won any new fans. MMA fans would have said “This is what’s wrong with boxing.”
I felt like Condit pulled an Andre Dirrell last night.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 6, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Live I had it 49-46 Condit, on rewatch I have 48-47 Condit
Nick won 2 and 5. Condit won 1, 3 and 4.
If Nick won this fight that means that means that circling off the cage when you’re getting walked down is a sign of passivity, and that’s simply not true. Circling off the ropes/cage is a key element of combat movement.
Condit outlanded NIck 3 to 2, and controlled distance in the face of a guy whose plan was closing distance. If a guy is trying to take you down and you stop him, you get judges’ credit for stopping takedowns. If a guy is trying to walk you down and pin you against the cage, you should get credit for not allowing him to do that — especially if you’re outlanding him along the way.
Condit won this fight.
that's pretty much how all non-diaz fanboys scored that fight.
i saw it on mute the 2nd time, seeing how joe can get fanboyish at time, but no, i thought carlos nudged him, and earned his UD.
I’m a Diaz fan, but I scored it for Condit, although it was razor thin. Others that watched it with me had it 49-46 or even 50-45 Condit, while some had it 48-47 or 49-46 Diaz, that was a very hard fight to score because there was absolutely nothing definitive about it. No knockdowns, no staggering blows, no ground game, hardly any clinch…not your typical MMA fight.
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thats why i gave him rd 5 and rd 2
rd 1,3,4 were all condit, and therefore the fight.
at the very end yes, but far too late…no punches and a slim chance at a RNC then an armbar with like 15 seconds left, I think maybe minute of ground at the end out of 25.
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Couldn't have said it better
Live I had it absolutely the same 48-47 Condit,
Nick won 2 and 5. Condit won 1, 3 and 4.Although I was uncertain about the 1st round.
But overall it felt anti-climactic…it wasn’t a great fight, or a decisive win for Condit.
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There is a very strong case that Nick won the 1st and even the 5th, especially after he took Carlos down and got his back. The opinions are all over the place on this because it was close and could have gone either way. Carlos got the W. Another set of judges might have seen it differently.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 6, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny thing about all the ppl who think condit won is
that 1 will say, diaz got rds 2 & 5. or he only got rd 1, or he only got rd 5..No, he got 1,2,5, & maybe even 3. From wut i hear rogan was all over condits nuts just like he was for bisping v sonnen & for florian vs aldo. Too many of u ppl are brianwashed by Joe & i like Joe
i watched at a bar with no way to really hear Rogan
Yet I scored the first four rounds for Condit. Joe’s brainwashing must of completely mindfucked me
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by sitnam90 on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i watched it on mute...
and scored it for condit, lets hold off on calling us folks who scored it for condit brainwashed. 2 ppl can have differing opinions w/o either being retarded.
I watched the fights with Italian commentary
and scored it for Condit, 4 rounds to 1
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 6, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I've watched it three times
The last time on mute, and each time I scored it 48-47 Condit (1,3,4).
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's because those rounds were close.
I could see it go both ways and scored it differently the first time and when I rewatched it. It was a close fight, Condit won, deal with it.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Meh.
Real talk. The fight could have went either way, it’s incredibly easy to make a case for 48-47 Diaz, it’s also incredibly easy to make a case for 48-47 Condit, however it is much more difficult, but ultimately possible to make a case for 49-46 for either of the two. What does that mean? We had a really close fight, that basically came down to what you considered effective octagon control, and how effectual you thought Condit’s leg kicks were. Calling people blind, delusional, stupid, and any other example of hyperbole in this case is not only uncalled for, but makes you look bad. Stop.
A little more real talk though, I’m not a Diaz fan, but Diaz should have won that fight. It wasn’t the judges that robbed him though, it was himself. He could have pushed the pace more to make Condit appear to be Starnesing instead of simply getting out of the way which likely would have swung those close rounds to him. He could have attempted to change up his attack by swinging and kicking into the predictably circling opponent ala Hendo. He could have attempted that expert move to back control take down one of the other 35 times the situation presented itself in the fight. He could have done one of at least a dozen other things to adjust to Condit’s game plan and he did none of them.
That’s all on Diaz, and possibly his coaching staff.
Congratulations to Condit and I’d love to see a rematch.
by Jacob Hayes on Feb 7, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Diaz was TRYING to push the pace;
Condit was just stopping him in his tracks. If Nick had been any more aggressive I think he would’ve ran into some seriously hard counters.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't though...
At least not to Diaz standards anyway. You know what Diaz actually pushing the pace looks like? Go back to any fight he has been in where his opponent was hurt and he rushed in. Those following flurries are what Diaz pushing the pace looks like, punching while moving forward while loading the next shot. He might have ran into some counters, but I honestly doubt it since Condit was so intent on getting away from the cage he was rarely ready to throw a counter it was simply one punch to create distance and run back out to center.
Diaz’s normal pace is what most peoples pushing the pace looks like, but he definitely has another gear that he just rarely went into in the fight.
Carlos had the more meaningful strikes,
but I gave every round for Diaz on account of his mean-mugging.
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Dana White gave round 1 and 2 to Diaz, Condit gave round 5 to Diaz, This means in Dana and Carlos scores Diaz won round 1, 2, 5 .Thats says it all,
What are you haters gonna say now??
That the judges gave it to Condit and that's all that matters.
Also, Georges St. Pierre is the REAL CHAMPION. Condit is merely the REAL INTERIM CHAMPION.
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Combining score cards? by your (absolute lack of) logic I can combine the cards the other way and Condit won the 5 rounds… It was a close fight, Condit won, get the fuck over it.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
naah!!
So you accepting you are HATERS? Because i was calling out the haters and you appear with your “smart” comments.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOTCHA, HATERS ARE GONNA HATE
Diaz won the fight
I bet Carlos ran a lot in his training camp hahahahaha, and obviously in the fight as well. Even Greg Jackson said that they didnt wanted to make it a fight because Nick Diaz is to dangerous for his runner. Run Carlos Run was what Greg Jackson was screaming all the time hahahahahahaha. Is that the way to beat Nick Diaz? Running away from him? Thats sounds like roach strategy for not getting smashed…
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