UFC 143 Results: Josh Koscheck And Coach Dave Camarillo Leave AKA
by Nate Wilcox on Feb 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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After edging Mike Pierce in a hard-fought split decision, Josh Koscheck announced that he has parted ways with long-time team American Kickboxing Academy. This follows closely on the news that AKA grappling coach Dave Camarillo had also left the camp.
MMA Weekly got the scoop on the motivations behind Koscheck's departure and as you'd expect Koscheck pulls no punches:
"There's one reason I'm leaving San Jose AKA and that's because of Javier Mendez," Koscheck stated. "He's the only reason I'm leaving that gym. It almost hurts me because I love training with those guys, I love training with (Jon) Fitch, and (Mike) Swick and Cain (Velasquez) and (Daniel) Cormier, and (Justin) Wilcox and all those guys, they are my brothers, and it hurts me to have to make this decision for me because the fact that it's like splitting up the family.
"This goes back from quite a bit, and history repeats itself. Whenever you have a guy for example whenever I had the loss against (Thiago) Alves and I took the fight on short notice with him, and after the fight I had a lot of friends come up to me and calling me saying ‘have you read this interview with Javier Mendez?' and talking about me and my game plan," Koscheck said.
"So I went online and I read this interview and I started to notice after all my teammates lost, it was the same thing. They didn't listen to the game plan, that he deferred it away from himself, and he threw us under the bus basically saying that we didn't listen to him and he tries to make himself look good, so it doesn't reflect on him us losing."
Koscheck will continue to be managed by "Crazy" Bob Cook's Zinkin Entertainment and will train out of his own gym in Fresno. Cook remains an active partner at AKA. AKA remains the training home of former UFC heavyweight champ Cain Velasquez and top welterweight Jon Fitch. Koscheck plans to continue training with Dave Camarillo and former AKA teammates like Jon Fitch.
In an interview with MMA Nation, Camarillo denied any personal differences were involved in his departure from AKA, stating that he simply wished to spend more time running his two gyms and teaching classes rather than training fighters.
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They already asked Kos
And he said “good luck getting that fight to happen”. So I guess: no.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
did you read the interview?
he said he loves training with Fitch and the guy was the best man for fitch’s wedding.
they will never fight against each other.
Matt "The Terror" Serra!!!!
Koscheck the best man at a wedding?
That can only mean the toast to the couple could only have been a roast.
"He's going to lay on top of you for 25 minutes and you're gonna walk away with your cherry in tact!"
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by menckenstein on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I should have used
the sarcasm signal light. Thought it was obvious.
by SteamboatWillie on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Reminds me of MFS
Will this be the start of the collapse of AKA as a premier team?
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As good as AKA is
For whatever reason their top fighters repeatedly lose at the final hurdle. Only Cain won a title and he never defended. Kos lost his title fight badly, as did Fitch, and Swick lost his #1 contender’s fight.
If anything, I think Team Takedown could be a camp on the rise. Jake Rosholt has picked up some decent wins, Hendricks is contending, but what holds them back is Shane Roller, who has no business being in the UFC.
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As to Shane Roller...
I’m surprised he wasn’t cut after the loss to Michael Johnson, making it three straight.
In such a stacked division with an abundance of wrestlers, I have a feeling he won’t be long in the UFC.
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you guys are hating on Roller
but I thought he won the Johnson fight and is a real talent.
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Not hating on him at all.
He’s lost three in a row. That’s dangerous territory for a wrestler.
Which rounds did you give to Roller? IIRC, Johnson took 1 and 2 fairly easily.
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3 by 2 points
and 1 very close.
but agree its easy to score it for Johnson in the 10 point must, but Roller clearly won the FIGHT which is why I hate the 10 point must
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Pride format was pretty great in that regard
I really liked 10 minute opening round. Would be a lot better for high level bjj guys who complain about lacking time to work their game.
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Johnson is a talent or Roller?
Roller has lost 4 of 6 and gets stopped a lot. Five times out of six defeats.
Also, Shane is 32, if he’s still losing to unranked lightweights his ship has sailed.
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I’ve always been a vocal fan of Roller, but it’s become pretty obvious at this point that he just isn’t advancing the way one needs to be considered a real talent. You could say that even in a loss he still looks good, but you can also say that in the UFC at least even in his wins he has looked bad…
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not exactly the biggest Koscheck fan, but for once I agree with him completely. Javier Mendes lets his ego get in the way of everything and honestly, he comes off as an ass. I remember after Cain lost to JDS, Mendes basically shitted all over him saying he “lost the calm of a champion”, “he didn’t listen to the gameplan”, so on and so forth. I can expect that from Dana White but not from the head coach of a prominent camp. He should been saying instead “Cain got caught, we’ll come back even stronger next time around”. Not cool at all.
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6u69gg0krU&feature=player_embedded
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by andrew861 on Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Just watched...
Yep, confirmed douche bag!
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Especially considering
how much he hyped his relationship with Cain in all the promo material- but throwing Cain under will have more potential fallout than Kos, IMO. Maybe not immediately, but this could indeed be the start of a little migration to other camps.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 6, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was going to say the same thing
I don’t really like Kos. I think he’s obnoxious (but atleast he’s not boring)
But good for him, standing up for what he believes in. Hope he finds success in his new gym.
by HeadKickLegSweep on Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good for him!
Looks like Koscheck found a bigger douche bag than himself. :)
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions
UFC 143 Results?
There really is no boundary for the keyword-schtick, is there?
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there's still a ton of search traffic
we’re always trying to attract new readers to the community. esp to replace those we ban. like you.
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Damnit Schwinn... I told you to be careful
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a ban for that? really?
I'd rather be trollin'.
by thirdparty on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
like you
Did you really just ban him for that?
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 6, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It kind of irks me to agree with
Koschek, but I find myself surprisingly applauding him- I don’t think this is an easy transition and took some balls to make.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Swick still fighting?
He hasn’t fought for a year.
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Swick never had the talent of Terrell or the hype. It’s a shame that the esophageal disorder is keeping him out this long, but he will not go on the List of MMA’s Greatest Disappointments like Terrell has.
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by Ben Thapa on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah right dude.
David Terrell ain’t got nothing on the Swickotine.
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Any word on what camp Koscheck will be moving to?
He’ll be a good addition to someone’s gym.
Read the article..
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
by Horselover Fat on Feb 6, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I must be blind because I'm not seeing it.
I see that Camarillo says he will continue cornering him (and Fitch) but does that mean Koscheck is going to one of Camarillo’s gyms? I was under the impression Camarillo’s gyms were grappling schools versus full MMA gyms.
Well it’s explained in the full article at MMAWeekly, well worth a read. Basically he’s going to be training at his own gym in Fresno, and just bring people in for training camps
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
by Horselover Fat on Feb 6, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, thanks.
For some reason my head was thinking MMA Nation and was clicking on the Camarillo link at the bottom of the article rather than the MMA Weekly link at the top.
Not sure about this. Will be interesting to see who Josh brings in to work with him. San Jose and Fresno look to be almost three hours apart so I doubt he’ll be borrowing his friends from San Jose.
Okay, gotcha.
Yeah it’s probably not the best situation to just work out at your own gym, but as he said he does make enough money to bring in trainers and fighters. He was obviously unhappy with his situation at AKA though so I guess it’s good to change that.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 6, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
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