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Judging inconsistencies are STILL a problem in this sport.

If you are looking for an article that is going to be about how Diaz should have won, you may as well just press that little x in the top right corner. I had the fight 2-2 and no idea how to score the 3rd round, which was the deciding round in my mind. I had the ability to immediately re-watch this fight after it happened. I wanted to break it down and go round by round after two of the judges (including Cecil Peoples) had the fight 4-1 for Carlos. Round 1 and 4 were obviously Condit. I gave 2 and 5 to Nick. That being said, once the judges scorecards came out my jaw hit the floor. How did two judges score that 5th round for Condit?

When I see two guys striking, for someone to get a clear advantage they have to do some damage. Condit had two clean flurries in the round, the first of which ended with a clean high kick...but Nick walked right through it and landed some nice shots of his own. Had that shot rocked Diaz, I could see how Condit gets the round, but it didn't. Nick remained in the centre of the octagon and pressed forward through both of those flurries, and with a 1:20 left on the clock secured the back, took him down, and started working for submissions. It wasn't like Diaz hit a lazy single, and stalled in his Condit's guard....he took his freakin' back! It's probably the second most dominant position on the ground, and the judges didn't award Diaz for it. We've seen fights where guys literally take someone down and stall in the guard and get a 30-27 UD, but Diaz is able to take and hold Condit's back for over a minute and still loses the round? That's BS. Either make dominant positions worth the round or don't, but there has to be some consistency with how judges hand out points.

I'm not mad Condit won, he fought an intelligent fight and did what he had to do to win. I am, however, a little concerned with how the judges viewed the fight overall as there is no way that Condit won the 5th round if you are judging by the UFC rulebook. Dana always says "Don't leave it in the hands of the judges", which sums up the problem perfectly. If a promoter and his fighter don't have faith that the official judges are competent enough to award a proper decision, I don't know how people like Keith Kizer do. Judges have to stop being subjective and start being consistent.

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have a point ive been trying to argue to all of my friends and people online.. it doesnt matter if u thought diaz won or condit won but people cant actually say how THEY score a fight ever.. there scoring strategies are inconsistent from fight to fight… example like you said someone can get a takedown and touch someones guard and they get the ROUND but diaz gets his back for like 90 seconds and doesnt get anything?!?! and people not scoring aggression in some fights but they do in others… damage etc…… so annoying and dissappointing

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by Ahkmed on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Not only judging inconsistencies, but reffing. A 2 point deduction to Bruce Leroy for a 2nd groin strike?!? wtf!?!?

by GeeDub on Feb 5, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

and none for Koscheck?

Quietly leading Cecil Peoples Champs to victory and beyond.

All in the game yo, all in the game

by Our Bovine Public on Feb 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ya, that was ridiculous.

I could probably write another fanpost on it.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Feb 5, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Even bigger problem than refs and judging?

The rules are wayyyyyyy too vague, subjective (or objective, I never know which) and open to interetation

Quietly leading Cecil Peoples Champs to victory and beyond.

All in the game yo, all in the game

by Our Bovine Public on Feb 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

What constitutes ocatgon control? What constitutes aggression? how are they weighed vs. takedowns and ground control? It’s stuff like that which kills me.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Feb 5, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

back of the head, nut shots eye pokes etc there's just no consistently and this is the reason

Quietly leading Cecil Peoples Champs to victory and beyond.

All in the game yo, all in the game

by Our Bovine Public on Feb 5, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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