Article Research: Please Post Your Scores for Diaz x Condit

1st: Diaz.
2nd: Diaz
3rd: Condit
4th: Condit
5th: Diaz

First to rounds are very close, I feel like any score from 49-46 Condit to 48-47 Diaz is reasonable. I’ll probably rewatch it and rescore it later too.

10-9 Condit
10-10
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz

Total: 49-47 Condit

He got rounds 1, 2, and 5 (takedown back mount sealed it for me).

PRIDE style judging, I give it to Condit though.

Calos won rounds 1, 3 and 4
I gave Nick 2 (which really was a toss up) and 5 for the back mount

1,2, 5 to Diaz
3,4 to Condit

Nick got rounds 2 and 5.

Rd. 1: 10-9 Diaz on landing the more effective and damaging strikes (snapping Condit’s head back repeatedly, digging hard to the body) and ring generalship.

Rd. 2: 10-9 Diaz – same reasons as round 1.

Rd. 3: 10-9 Condit, narrowly, since Diaz’s output started to fall off, and Condit was landing a little bit better, though honestly I could see that round closer to 10-10.

Rd. 4: 10-9 Condit, clearly, since Diaz’s production dropped off a lot, and Condit continued to land.

Rd. 5: 10-9 Diaz, since the most significant offense in the round was the takedown and back mount.

10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz
Rounds two and three honestly could have gone either way though.

They had similar outputs in rounds 1 and 2, but I gave them both to Diaz because he landed the harder punches.

I scored round 3 for Condit because he produced noticeably more than Diaz, although neither one of them landed anything significant.

Round 4 was a clear Condit round and round 5 was a clear Diaz round.

1st round : 10-9 Condit
2nd round : 10-9 Diaz
3rd round : 10-9 Condit
4th round : 10-9 Condit
5th round : 10-9 Diaz

Condit definitely threw Diaz way off and made Diaz fight his fight.

To me Condit clearly won the fight and he also landed the more powerful shots. The head kicks Condit landed would have knocked out, or at least knocked down, most fighters. Diaz was basically just walking towards Condit the whole time throwing wild punches and kicks and not landing most of them. In my opinion, and in the opinion of the judges, walking forward the whole time doesn’t win you the fight.

I actually blame Diaz’s corner for the loss. They should have told him to take Condit down and go for a submission after seeing how Condit fought the first round. Or they should have at least told Diaz after the 3rd round to take him down and go for a submission in the 4th. But instead they didn’t tell him anything that helped him and Diaz didn’t take Condit down until there was 1 minute left in a 5 round fight. To me that’s just bad coaching/corner work.

Rounds 1 and 2 for Diaz 3,4 Condit and the final for diaz.

Cause I love 10-10s.

1st: 10-10
2nd: 10-10
3rd: 10-9 Condit
4th: 10-9 Condit
5th: 10-9 Diaz

1 condit
2 diaz
3 10-10/diaz 10-9
4 condit
5 diaz

draw. 48-48/48-47 diaz

Rd 1 – Condit barely
Rd 2 – Diaz clearly
Rd 3 – Condit clearly
Rd 4 – Condit clearly
Rd 5 – Diaz clearly

10-9 Diaz
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz

R1 10-9 Diaz( pushing the pace and control)
R2 10-9 Diaz (pushing the pace and control)
R3 10-9 Condit (land more of the counter strikes)
R4 10-9 Condit (land more of the counter strikes) also the most definitive round of the fight.
R5 10-9 Diaz (back control at the end with submission threat)

But I need to review round 2.

1 – very close 10-9 Condit
2 – very close 10-9 Diaz
3 – not quite as close 10-9 Condit
4 – close 10-9 Condit
5 – clear 10-9 Diaz

Any rounds except 5 could have been scored 10-10 IMO

Rounds 1-4 Condit, Round 5 Diaz

1 – 10-9 Condit (barely, I could see 10-10)
2 – 10-9 Diaz
3 – 10-9 Condit
4 – 10-9 Condit
5 – 10-9 Diaz

1st – Diaz
2nd – Diaz
3rd – Condit
4th – Condit
5th – Diaz

10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz

I thought you could easily give Condit the third or give Diaz the first though.

I really thought Nick landed very few solid punches, particularly to the head. There were several in the first three rounds that connected well, but Nick was running into stiff punches and getting stopped in his tracks throughout the fight. He ripped off a few good combos to Carlos’ body as well. I was surprised at the controversy. Carlos was landing kick combos to the head, to the body and the legs throughout the fight and Nick just couldn’t find him and was pretty disappointing in his ability to change things up. Looked to me in the third as if he toyed with the idea of trying to let Carlos come to him, but got quickly lit up and couldn’t stop himself from bulling forward. When he tried to throw kicks, he got countered hard with punches and was beaten to the punch in a way he couldn’t match vs. Carlos’ kicking game. I understand people saw it differently, and that’s fine, but for the record I was rooting for Carlos, but am a fan of both. My ire at Nick was for behaving like a chump afterward, not because he fought a one-note fight.

For being a conduit of awesome
2 to Diaz, rest of the rounds to Carlos.

R1- 10-9 Diaz- I counted Diaz gettin more power shots/combos and oct control
R2- 10-9 Diaz- as above
R3- 10-9 Condit- Condit put it in high gear. Started landing a little with body shots and some jabs and basically didn’t let Diaz get a chance to get off even the small combos
R4- 10-9 Condit- As above
R5- 10-9 Diaz- Take down and gettin his back

10-10
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit

R1 Diaz 10-9
R2 Diaz 10-9
R3 Condit 10-9
R4 COndit 10-9
R 5 Diaz 10-9

Pretty much the opposite of Cecil Peoples (which I’m proud of)
10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9 for Condit.

I don’t know what fight People’s was watching but it clearly wasn’t this one. Serioulsy the 3rd to Diaz? Cecil went the full retard on this one.

Rounds 1,2,5 Diaz
Rounds 3,4 Condit

Yes, I am a Muay Thai mark and that is probably an exaggerated score. But the only round I could conceive Carlos losing on the cards is the 2’nd. The 1’st round could’ve been a 10-10.

Round 1 to Diaz
Rounds 2-5 to Condit

I can’t give Nick round 5 for 1 minute of back control after losing the other 4 minutes on the feet.

1st: 10-10
2nd: 10-9 Diaz
3rd: 10-9 Condit
4th: 10-9 Condit
5th: 10-9 Diaz

Random thoughts:

I thought the 5th was a bit even on the feet before Diaz got back control. The amount of anger surrounding what was a razor close fight perplexes me a bit. This is definitely one I’ll have to rewatch.

Round 1 Diaz
Round 2 Diaz
Round 3 Condit
Round 4 Condit
Round 5 Diaz

Don’t have a problem with the fight being scored in favor of Condit. Do have a problem with Cecil Peoples scoring it in favor of Condit after he stated that “leg kicks don’t finish fights”. I feel like anyone with that take on leg kicks would have for sure given Diaz the fight.

With Diaz only taking the last round

But this thread reminded me of the excellent article by Matthew Roth from a few months ago called Bellator 59: Through the Eyes of a Ringside Judge. Anytime I see a fight and wonder “What was that judge thinking!?!” I remember that they’re scoring it live, their views are not always the best (or even the same as each other’s), they have individual interpretations of the way the scoring rules apply, and their perceptions are going to be influenced by the sounds and energy before and around them.

(I’m not looking to open the can of worms that’s involved with instant replay or the use of monitors by cageside judges.)

48-47 Condit
Round 1: 10-9 Diaz
Round 2: 10-9 Condit
Round 3: 10-9 Condit
Round 4: 10-9 Condit
Round 5: 10-9 Diaz

Round 1: Diaz, he outstruck him in everything but “leg jabs”
Round 2: Diaz, dominant and even slapped Condit in the face
Round 3: Diaz, but I could see an argument for Condit
Round 4: Condit, mainly because Diaz seemed to get tired of chasing a running man
Round 5: Diaz, losing striking but winning back control and seeking a finish

1st: Condit 10-9 10-9, Condit
2nd: Diaz 10-9, 19-19
3rd: Condit, 10-9 29-28, Condit
4th: Condit, 10-9 39-37, Condit
5th: Diaz, 10-9 48-47, Condit

I remember giving Condit the first because I had the impression that he landed a bunch of solid kicks without getting tagged himself.
I gave Diaz the second because I remember him trapping Condit and flurrying him against the wall.
3rd had Condit, and what was most memorable was when Goldberg and Rogan said that Condit finally looked comfortable. He seemed to land a lot of nice kicks and elbows.
I don’t remember the 4th.
In the 5th, Diaz took him down and offered some very nice submission attempts.

rounds 2 5 for diaz the rest for condit

1,2, and 5 for Diaz

3, 4 for Condit.

I though that rounds one and three were tossups.

R1 10-10 condit showed distance and a steady output of offense, daiz coming forward and trying to trade also body shots.
R2 9-10 daiz, he managed to get off a few flurries but it was a close round with carlos getting off good counter punches and kicks.
R3 10-9 condit, he took over the fights and was outlanding diaz i quite badly.
R4 10-9 condit, again he just turned up the pressure and was leading diaz around well feeding him a stead diet of kicks and punches.’
R5 10-9 condit, condit was winning the stand up and the take down w/ back mount while significant didnt lead to any damage or near submissions ( the RNC wasnt close)

Round 1: Condit
Round 2: Diaz (Close, but won it mostly on the strength of that nasty body combo)
Round 3: Condit
Round 4: Condit
Round 5: Diaz

Im of course going off of what Ceasar Gracie scoring cretique….10-0 Being Nick Diaz

Rounds 2 and 5 to Diaz (not by any huge margin) and the rest to Condit.

1st 10-10 (if I had to choose I’d go 10-9 Diaz)
2nd 10-9 Diaz barely
3rd 10-9 Diaz barely
4th 9-10 Condit clearly
5th 10-9 Diaz barely

I didn’t take either pushing forward nor running away (which nobody did, dammit) into account. I just thought Diaz hit the better shots. I honestly think any score from 50-45 Condit to 49-46 Diaz can be reasonably arrived at and defended by a knowledgeable person. People need to chill out.

1st: Diaz – Constant aggression, managed to catch Carlos against the cage and got off some nice shots, Condits leg-kicks looked totally inconsequential for the most part (one or two were solid and if all of them had been like that I could see giving him this razor-close round). Could also see a draw. Actually, what you shoud be doing is a Judo-chop on Condit’s leg-kicks examining of how much consequence they likely were because IMO they are the deciding factor in the first couple of rounds.
2nd: Diaz – Pretty much like the first, Condit’s kicks still seem just aimed at breaking Diaz’ rhythm and hardly doing anything, but damn is Diaz doing a bad job at cutting him off. He lands one of his best flurries though and I think he edges Carlos. IMO Condit is not controlling the range, as it has been argued, but gets pushed and pushed and just reacts opportunistically whenever he can get off a quick kick. He’s starting to land though.
3rd Diaz – Condit started to find his groove here. Leg kicks looked good now and he tried some mixed combination although most of them were blocked. Diaz also got off some of his best hits in the whole fight though. He hurt Carlos in that round, IMO (somewhere in the first 2 minutes…) so I gave that to Nick again. Plus: Carlos butt-scooted to safety! How can you give him the round after that! ;)
4th – Condit – Here Condit really has things under control IMO and he looks not like somebody who is avoiding Diaz and tries to squeeze in his own punches but somebody who controls the distance of the fight. The often-GIFed combo of his that ends in the high-kick is a thing of beauty.
5th – Diaz – On merit of the takedown and dominating Carlos on the ground until he gave up position for a hail-mary-submission. Standup before that was in favor of Condit, but IMO not by such a wide margin that it could cancel out fighting for survival the last minute.

RD1- Condit
RD2-Condit
RD3-Condit
RD4-Condit
RD5-Diaz

We can see from this loads of people scored it differently so it was therefore obviously a close fight. Even if you think Diaz won he wasn’t robbed of the decision because he didn’t do enough to earn a clear decision

1 – Diaz
2 – Diaz
3 – Condit
4 – Condit
5 – Condit

It’s happened before and it’ll not be the last time.

1. Condit
2. Condit
3. Condit
4. Condit
5. Diaz

49-46 Condit.

First four to Condit, last one to Diaz for 49-46 Condit.

The second round was the closest, and I can see any of 10-9, 10-10, 9-10 for that. They landed with similar frequency, but I thought Condit’s were slightly better strikes. I thought three and four were pretty clear for Condit. Some people scored the first for Diaz, which doesn’t make much sense to me, but isn’t totally unreasonable. Condit didn’t have enough of an edge in the fifth to negate giving up his back. If he had escaped 20 seconds earlier and enacted some ground strikes, he could have taken back the round.

I love that after losing the decision, Diaz claimed he would have, you know, bothered submitting Condit if he didn’t already know the fight was his. Like otherwise it just wasn’t worth the energy expenditure.

Diaz edges Condit with higher work rate and more significant strikes in rounds 1 and 2. Then his offence drops off a cliff as he starts getting tagged repeatedly in 3 and 4 which are clear Condit rounds.

Round 5 was difficult for me. Maybe even a 10-10? Most of round 5 was one sided with Diaz not doing much, and I didn’t think the back take negated that.

FIrst four to Condit, fifth to Diaz. 49-46 Condit

My cock rages on for the vast number of responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VCTg1URxko&feature=related

I was going to tally the variance in scores for each round, but this really shows that everyone is all over the board here in 1-3 but in general agreement (somewhat) on 4 and 5.

Many, many thanks for all of your answers.

If so, I remember disagreeing with your scorecard, but shouting out a good ol’ atheist amen for the rational behind it.

If not, then this just got awkward.

Am I the only one who thinks this fight wasn’t even close? If anyone has the striking stats by round, can you please post them, I think they paint a pretty clear picture of who won. Coming forward doesn’t necessarily mean you’re winning a fight, especially when you’re walking in to crisp counter striking from your opponent. Condit 49-46. Diaz is a one dimensional fighter and Condit exposed it.

First of all I want to make it clear that I’m still pissed off with this shit from Saturday. In a perfect world it would have been a draw, or a Diaz victory. For some reason the asshole judges decided Conduit and his running man tactics were to be rewarded in this one fight, and it still angers me. I’m angry about Conduit and his tactics, and I’m also angry at Diaz for his lack of ability to adapt to game Conduit was bringing. I’m also angry that I’ve been teased with rematch rumors today, only to hours later hear it’s apparently going to shit. God dammit.

With 10-10’s I have it

10-10
10-10
10-10
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz

= 49-49 DRAW BITCHES!! NOBODY DESERVED THE VICTORY IN THAT SHITFEST!

Another approach is from my Diaz fanboyism, and also ignoring 10-10 rounds for some reason:

10-9 Diaz
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Condit
10-9 Condit
10-9 Diaz
= 48 -47 VICTORY DIAZ!!

I can’t see Condit doing enough to win the first two rounds. At best they’re drawn, at worst Diaz victories. In my opinion it was only the fourth round that Condit clearly won. On the same note, I’d say the fifth is the only one Diaz clearly won. Moving backwards and employing a stick-and-move tactic is fine, but most of the time Condit looked straight up scared to get into any exchanges against Diaz, and this was not only against the cage but at all positions of the octagon. There is a point where this just gets too much, and it reflects badly upon Condit – he looks scared and timid. His whole game plan was basically move backwards, get in a few leg kicks, and when your back is against the cage you run to the middle and start the sequence over again. I have a hard time respecting that. The few close exchanges that they did have, Diaz definitely won most of them.

This is the first week in over a month that my balls aren’t on fire with a frantic schedule. It’s been batshit crazy for me so I’m catching my breath and didn’t post on this yet (besides the round table comments).

The results of this were interesting. The first round was almost a dead split. About a half-dozen scored it 10-10, which is a really small number considering the total and how divided the first round scores were.

It all came down to the first two rounds, because everyone was almost unanimous that Condit won 3 and 4 and Diaz won 5. Interestingly enough, and contrary to those results, the third was the ONLY round that the two judges that scored it 49-46 for Condit gave to Diaz.

I’m going to shape this up into something tomorrow with a bunch of scattered thoughts. Thanks again for the input.