UFC 143 Results: Judges' Score Cards From Carlos Condit Vs. Nick Diaz
by Nate Wilcox on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 AM EST
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Everyone who watched UFC 143's welterweight interim title fight between Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit had their own score in their heads. Nick Diaz clearly thought he won the fight, apparently retiring in a snit after the loss. But only three people's opinions mattered and they all agreed that Carlos Condit won the fight. Here are each judges' round-by-round scores:
- Judge Cecil Peoples had it: 10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9 for Condit.
- Judge Patricia Morse Jarman had it: 10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9 for Condit.
- Judge Junichiro Kamijo had it 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9, 9-10 for Condit.
- Condit outlanded Diaz in total strikes 146 to 110
- Diaz outlanded Condit 86 to 42 in total arm strikes landed
- Condit outlanded Diaz 104 to 19 in total leg strikes landed
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So..
does this mean Cecil Peoples thinks leg kicks win fights?
Lol
He’s finally come around.
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Diaz outstruck Condit in rounds 1-3, not including "leg jabs"
And he took back control in round 5.
I score it 49-46 Diaz.
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by unambig on Feb 5, 2012 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand
you’d be wrong
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
How many steps forward did Nick Diaz take, for how long in this fight did condit spend "exiting"
also round 5 get a TD, advance position, threaten == nothing
C’est la vie
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions
That is the biggest problem I have...how was rd 5 not Diaz across the board?
Even though I understand him losing, how did 2/3 not give him rd 5?
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by Snatchl on Feb 5, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well i have a friend who's a boxing fan.
He thought the takedown wasn’t a big deal, and i understand, because he’s a boxing guy… and maybe the judges have been hearing so much shit about takedowns not being a big deal, that they decided that wasn’t a big deal.
Obviously this was a different sort of takedown, which immediately became a back mount.
But fuck.. don’t let it go to the judges!
There has to be a balance
Takedowns are offense, but shouldn’t be weighed more than strikes.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget the advanced position, to be fair.
It wasn’t like he just took him down and laid in full guard for the end of the round.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A takedown is bigger than almost any single strike. But a takedown should not be more than every OTHER strike in that round.
This did not come play in this fight, but is something that I believe in
Condit outstruck Diaz marginally in round 5
But Diaz’s back mount secures the round in my books.
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by unambig on Feb 5, 2012 3:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1 min 20 sec on the ground
1 1/2 min on the ground,leaves 3 1/2 minutes that he got his ass kicked. So if you control a guy for 1 1/2 min , you lose to the guy that controlled you for 3 1/2 minutes in my book for sure. Thats the way i saw it for real,bro!
by gotyacoldjunk on Feb 5, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why should a fighter be rewarded for walking forward
when that fighter is perpetually walking right into a hard low kick? Condit landed the better quantity and quality of strikes. Get over it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
How many of those ‘hard low kicks’ did Condit land? Do you really think ANYONE could take that many ‘hard’ kicks to the leg? So how did Diaz retain his ability to move forward? Because most of those kicks were not hard.
Condit turned the match into point sparring and was rewarded with a belt.
At least twenty,
and Nick wasn’t moving forward, or throwing aggressively in the later rounds. In fact he looked downright passive. Creep forward, get hit, lunge with wild punches, miss, rinse repeat, leg kick, creep forward, throw, get cracked, etc. That was the vast majority of the fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said, he was just creeping forward
in the later rounds, hardly throwing, passively waiting on Carlos, and getting schooled the entire time until he finally managed to get it to the ground. Where were you? Carlos landed first the entire time, and Nick’s right leg was jelly by the 4th.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
We know
He got outstruck in 4 and 5. But he won rounds 1-3 so it shouldn’t have mattered.
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He got outstruck in all five by a good margin.
Only round that’s really debatable was the fifth. Moving forward without landing is like a kamikaze charge, you look proud and brave but you’re getting carved up.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
Diaz kept moving forward
because he is an otherworldly tough motherfucker. But he noticeably slowed down the more the low kicks accrued, and the more the rounds dragged on. Carlos buckled him with a low kick in the championship rounds!
It wasn’t point sparring, it’s called striking. Diaz’ face doesn’t look like ground beef right now because Carlos was throwing little girl punches and kicks.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
He should've took it to the ground sooner,
if he was capable. Too dumb and proud to know he was losing.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think he would've subbed Condit TBH,
and Diaz isn’t exactly a takedown machine. He tried a few takedowns to no avail.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't either,
but he could’ve changed the rhythym of the fight and done some damage. He just kept on with the same tired act, even after it was apparent that Carlos wasn’t going to lose his cool. I know Nick acted like he wasn’t hurt, he won, he got “ran from” but from where I sat, he got beat on for much of the fight, lost his initiative due to the leg kicks and counters, and did little but posture while refusing to alter his tactics. Oh well, I wanted and thought Carlos would win, but I was pretty disappointed in Nick, not to mention the post-fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Agree completely.
I expected the post- fight tantrum, although I don’t want him to retire.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Hell no, me neither.
I was just getting to like him again, and there are SO many good fights for him, most of which he’ll win. Carlos composure and ability to laugh off the taunts with vicious kicks in response isn’t something too many guys will replicate.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Diaz/ Koscheck.
Timeline matches up perfectly
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, I will watch that:)
And that’ll be the hatefest Nick thrives on.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Plus, Nick always has exciting scramblefests against strong wrestlers.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder though,
Josh is the kind of guy who seems susceptible to talk, who’ll get pissed off and wade in rather than imposing his wrestling, but we’ve seen him psychologically rope-a-dope Daley that way, by keeping his cool and just winning. It could look similar, but Nick at least has the ground game to be a huge threat there.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think Kos is dumb enough to stand and trade with Diaz.
He doesn’t have the skillset to replicate Condit’s game, he needs to use a similar game to what Diego beat Nick with.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
The decisions were weird all night long
I thought Pierce won his fight with Koscheck. But it wasn’t a robbery.
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No, the Pierce decision wasn't a robbery.
I thought he lander the cleaner strikes though. I wonder how heavily the takedowns were weighed.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well, why would he think he was losing?
He was outstriking Carlos in rounds 1-3.
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"Outstriking"
Round 1: Condit- 30 total strikes (29 = “significant strikes”); Diaz- 28 total strikes (23 “significant”)
Round 2: Condit- 29 total strikes (29 = “significant strikes”); Diaz- 35 total strikes (32 = “significant”)
Round 3: Condit- 33 total strikes (32 = “significant strikes”); Diaz- 24 total strikes (22 “significant”)
Round 2 is the only round where Diaz had better #’s than Condit.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
You're counting leg jabs as equal to the power shots that bent Carlos' head backwards and caused him to run for his life
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lol at "leg jabs"
Those lead low kicks were snapping Nick’s legs around considerably. j
And do you realize that Nick only landed 8 power shots to the head? Diaz did much better work to the body than the head. Carlos actually outlanded Nick in power strikes to the head.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The stats say you're wrong.
And so do my eyes. Nick had one moment the whole fight where he beat up Carlos to the body. Other than that he landed a few good punches, while eating far more of them, and getting hammered to the leg and body to the point that he couldn’t push forward in the later rounds, and his reaction time and aggression were shot.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
18 strong leg kicks and 50 “jab” kicks
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html
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Condit outlanded Diaz in total strikes and significant strikes. In every round but the 2’nd.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
I still thought Diaz landed the harder strikes
But I can respect the decision either way, especially know that the numbers are out.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, you are a generally reasonable man,
so I’m gonna have to rewatch this. I actually didn’t think there was any doubt.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Those baby kicks completely shut down Nick's offense.
And they were enough to bust his leg up to where he couldn’t move and land anything before Carlos hammered him and disappeared.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
Hard low kicks?
Or “leg jabs”. I saw Carlos’ head getting snapped back like a pinata for the first three rounds
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People’s and jarman need to be RNCd unconscious then let’s how they judge the 5th round.
by TheMushroomWizard on Feb 5, 2012 1:26 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
Funny thing is
Diaz didn’t GET the RNC on Condit. Nor did he land any hard strikes from that position. Nor did he finish an armbar.
I don’t think a fighter should be rewarded for failing to lock in a submission, no more than a fighter should be rewarded for shutting down that submission attempt.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair your ideas on judging submission attempts are fairly extreme
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think they are.
Submissions are completely hit or miss. You either draw the tap, or you don’t. In some cases, you can crank a submission hold and do considerable damage without getting a submission (physical/ verbal tapout, or technical submission), but you still do some serious damage (Marshall breaking Vera’s arm with the armbar comes to mind, Dos Anjos’ round 2 calf slicer on Tyson Griffin that made him limp the rest of the fight).
But Diaz did zero damage with that RNC attempt. It’s not like he was crushing Condit’s face or anything.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well it goes down to the fundamental issue we disagree on
The concept of judging offense or damage.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it does then.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
It depends
if a fighter was really close on finishing a submission, I think there should be points for that. If they just do nothing but attempt at a sub but is shut down, then they get no points.
The only time I agree
is a ‘saved by the bell’ situation. I think that the rules need to be changed so that a fighter has to fight his way out of a submission before they can break for the round.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Back mount in a close round usually secures the round
What did Carlos do in round 5 that wins him that round?
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Well, Condit comprehensively outstruck Diaz in the 5'th round, for one
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
That's the one he might have won. I gave him that one, as all else was pretty even in that round.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
Here's how I had it
Round 1 – Condit
Round 2 – Diaz
Round 3 – Condit
Round 4 – Condit
Round 5 – Diaz
I agree expect for round 1.
It really lookd like the second round, Carlos couldn’t get any offense going on. He just started to outland Diaz on round 3.
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The weird thing is I'd give Carlos round 3
But round 1 Diaz was just dominant
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I had round 2 as a 10-10, too close to tell, making it 49-47 Condit.
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Diaz slapped Condit IN THE FACE in round 2
lol
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by unambig on Feb 5, 2012 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Diaz bitch slap gif please
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by invinciblearmour. on Feb 5, 2012 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
how do you score rounds 1 and 2 for condit
but 3 for diaz? Isn’t the 3rd round where condit really started working his gameplan perfectly?
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I feel that two of these judges (I WON'T SAY WHICH) are painfully, and woefully inept at their career choices.
And I greatly dislike when I find out that they are assigned to important fights that I care about. That’s not an insult, as much as it is an opinion.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
By insults do you mean questioning their competence to accurately score an MMA fight?
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It was super close
I had Pierce winning 29-28 but it wasn’t a robbery like this one
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Maybe if he didn't like to kick dick so much
He wouldn’t have lost that decision. Then again, who knows how much impact those dick shots had on Figeroa’s performance?
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually haven't seen that fight.
I make it a point not to watch any fight involving Jason Reinhardt
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he did
That’s actually why I picked Bruce Leeroy to win. I thought the stand up was about even and he had a huge grappling advantage.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Alex would've won the decision without the flagrant nut shots IMO
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
But I thought taking away two points was a bit extreme.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I thought throwing sloppy ass leg kicks that lifted the guy off the mat with the impact to his groin was a bit extreme.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've never seen a 2 point deduction like that before either,
but I think it’s fair. 2 points for 2 nut shots on 2 balls in 2 separate rounds. I like the consistency
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
One of those can change a fight completely. I hate that a fighter feels forced to continue even after getting his manhood pulverized.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
Figeroa is tough, for sure.
It’s a dilemma for the fighter, definitely.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think he should have taken away a point immediatly if that was the case for the first kick
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
I liked how Herb gave him a "strong warning"
The connotation being “Look- I know that was an accident… DON’T let it happen again.”
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
I just think that two points is extreme
For an accidental foul. If it was intentional I’d understand.
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There’s a difference between unavoidable accidents and accidents due to negligence.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
If it's repeated after a warning,
it has to be a point, consistently, to buck the trend of having a few “fouls to give”, though I thought two was harsh, and a bitter pill for Alex after a pretty hugely improved performance. Dominant last two rounds.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that two point deductions have a place in MMA
You might as well disqualify the guy, because very few can come back from that.
by discoandherpes on Feb 8, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I loved that.
Herb took control all over the board tonight, though I did think Kos should lose a point. People might complain based on precedent, but Herb set it to a degree tonight. For years, the punishment for repeated illegal strikes have been ignored, with the result that people know they have a few get out of jail free cards. A few more performances like that from Herb, and you won’t see that shit when he’s in there. Hope the other refs take his lead.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t around to see the reaction on here during the live thread, but I thought he was way too overzealous with resetting fights.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
The resets were a bit too much,
but that seems like a trend in all the refs. I really LOVED him taking a strong stand against the “fouls to give” mentality some guys have. I realize most fouls are unintentional, but once you’ve been warned once, it should always be a point. You have to be accurate, and while Alex looked much improved, he’s still a wildman out there to a degree. You can’t just throw with no regard for where they land, and I hope Herb blazes the path with that. Also, the way he handled Figueroa’s time to recover, the warnings to Kos, though they should’ve resulted in a point IMO. Apart from resetting too aggressively, I thought Herb’s performance should be a standard to apply.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Had it 48-47 Diaz
1st: Diaz
2nd: Diaz
3rd: Condit
4th: Condit
5th: Diaz
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 5, 2012 1:33 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
I had it the same way.
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by purplehazelett on Feb 5, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
the first roud is very close. No reason to cry robbery.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 5, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
2nd round wasnt even close. Condit all day
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Hm, you sure about that
Round 2:
Diaz 35-29 in total strikes
19-9 to the head
15-9 to the body
Condit got 11-1 in kicks, 7 of which were leg jabs.
10-9 Diaz, easily.
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the pitter patter shots go as jabs
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Yeah, coming from a guy whose username is "sweet scientist."
You’re a good poster, and I’m not personally attacking you, but it’s obvious that you have a bias for boxing. Which is fine, we all have our preferences.
But I don’t think there’s any doubt that Condit landed the harder, cleaner, more numerous strikes throughout the fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
That's a fair point.
Honestly I’m not bitching about the decision, and it’s true that I tend to weigh boxing a bit more. Anything from 49-46 Condit to 48-47 Diaz is reasonable for me.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Good to hear.
I knew you were a reasonable man. I can understand why a queensbury rules pugilist might score the fight for Diaz.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
WAIT A MINUTE!
There’s such thing as a friendly argument that doesn’t dissolve into name calling?
….I’m disappointed in both of you…
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by flyingkneetoface on Feb 5, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, Sweet Scientist is a gentleman and a scholar.
Normally when I call someone biased, I’m all like
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Hart reference?
That’s a rec
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Laugh at My Pain was epic IMO
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly had it the same way
Although I did watch it at a sports bar, and Ive always found that watching it again at home leaves me with a completly different view of the fight
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This is exactly right
Although Diaz might have eeked out the 3rd as well. Oddly the judges seem to feel most strongly about the 3rd for Diaz
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
1, 2, 5 – Diaz
3, 4 – Condit
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by DK_Monster on Feb 5, 2012 1:33 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
1 and 2 were close
but I slightly favored Condit in the first one.
Diaz nuthuggers
2,3,4 to Condit , 1,5 Diaz.
by CyLoke on Feb 5, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wasn’t round 2 better than the first one for Diaz in term of punchs landed ?
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seriously to say diaz had 3 damn rounds in this fight is just laughable come on you cant be this up someones ass
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
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Isn't a stretch.
anything from 49-46 Condit to 48-46 Diaz is reasonable.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
No,
no score giving this to Diaz is reasonable. Moving forward doesn’t matter when you’re getting owned nearly every time you do, unless you’re Leonard Garcia.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing you roll in here late to desperately troll every sensible comment in this post,
makes Carlos winning SO much sweeter. I thank you for your weak, stalking patronage!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
This is coming from a guy who's been waiting to say "Fuck you Nick Diaz" for some time.
Clearly unbiased.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
If you eliminate Carlos' dubious 50 "leg jabs"
You get 62-55 for Diaz in head strikes
And 49-36 in body shots for Diaz
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
To give Condit the 5th round is pretty bad in my eyes. I scored it 48-47 Diaz, with him winning 1, 2, and 5. I could see giving Condit round 1 or 2, as they were pretty close. But round 5 to Condit?
Condit may not have "won" but he definitively didn't lose.
Fighting is like champagne. It goes to the heads of cowards as quickly as of heroes. Any fool can be brave on a battlefield when it's be brave or else be killed.
On the UFC website I found this
xxvi. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury
Ref should have issued warning for Condit turning is back and running.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 AM EST reply actions
That wasn't running for the last time
Did you want him to just stand there with his back against the cage where Diaz is best?
He slipped Diaz’s punches and countered to get away, that is not running.
God you are annoying.
Nothing but complaining and instigating all night.
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If Condit was avoiding contact
he wouldn’t have landed the dozens upon dozens of hard low kicks, high kicks, and punches that he landed.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Go away with your silliness.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not falling into your opponents game plan ≠ timidity.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
Seriously.
Moving blindly straight forward is no measure of “winning” in any form of combat, from large scale armies to hand to hand, in any of human history. In fact, it’s been shown to be utterly stupid when confronted by an equal opposition. Carlos just sniped him while Nick bitched, talked and took a beating.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good thing
Condit isn’t guilty of violating any of those points.
by AusEagle on Feb 5, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious. This might be the most idiotic comment I’ve read on this website.
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by T.C. Engel on Feb 5, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You must not be a fan of ketchup.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
I've always enjoyed reading the comments on this site
But the comments after this fight have been excruciatingly bad.
by Violent Newt on Feb 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's fucking ridicuous.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
You would be better off walking around your house punching some walls to let off some steam than to come on the internet and quote the unified rules in an illogical and incongruent fashion to support your trash hypothesis and make a fool of yourself.
Condit did NOT avoid contact (he landed hundreds of strikes on Diaz, more than Diaz did in return) and he sure as shit did not spit out his mouthpiece or fake an injury.
Avoiding damage while inflicting it is not against the rules. So tell me, why the fuck should the ref have issued a warning again?
by BiscoBisco on Feb 5, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except all the time he ran away with his back to Nick Looking over his shoulder.
Jackson MMA has turned these fights into humping or running matches. Enjoy Ultimate Legkick running if thats what you like, but i believe he was breaking the spirit of that rule I listed when it comes to timidity. First thing he did was timidly explain it was all his corner’s idea after the fight too.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
49-46 condit
That’s what I saw.
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by We All Hate Caleb on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep. Wasn't hard to score.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
If GSP is out till November, can we just do this fight again in July?
by xDieseLx on Feb 5, 2012 1:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Diaz winning. Please Homie, not even
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I had it 49-46.
Talk about making somebody quit! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 AM EST reply actions
Oh and FUCK YES!!!!
Nick can smoke through a bong full of tears till the sheep come home.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I noticed your crazy...
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree, but no way it mattered in the decision.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
So many lurkers popped up out of no where to complain that the fight was a “robbery”. I think I found the one thing I hate more than Nick Diaz. His stupid, fucking fans.
Nick Denis is me.
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by kreally on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Ouch
I’m a Diaz fan, and I thought we were now bros.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not you.
The stupid butt hurt ones that are complaining about a robbery.
Nick Denis is me.
Huge mutherfuking fan of Jon Fitch and Jon Jones.
I got you
MMA fans are too jumpy with the word robbery. Any close fight is a robbery according to them.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, I was a fucking Diaz fan too.
Then he bitched about the loss and said he was going to retire. Come on.
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Speaking of the prospects, how'd you do?
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67
Not too good.
For some reason I changed Natal by UD to the other dude by tko. I thought he was going to do it in the third, but it just wasn’t meant to be. I also picked Pierce, and that backfired.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, fucking hilarious.
I changed Kuiper from tko in the second to Natal by UD. Talk about coincidence. I walked away with 98 points tonight. I lost on Caceres (I thought he won the decision) and Nick.
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That is pretty funny
Congrats man. Good stuff.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, bro.
Should I expect the prospects update in the fanposts tomorrow?
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Wonderfulspam is including them in his recap
So I’ll be sending him the results tonight.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
i think i fount something even worse
someone who cries about something stupid and basically is doing the same thing lol
You must either be a Diaz hater yourself, or have skipped a good 25% of the comments post-fight on here.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
I was a huge fan of his right up to that post fight speech.
His hardcore fans that want to proclaim this a robbery are the ones getting on my nerves.
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And the hardcore Diaz haters are doing the same for me. There is a middle ground, people!
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 5, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
rec X a million
i don’t hate Diaz, but his fans are just unbearable
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Hopefully DFW says he doesnt agree with the judging
Sets up an immediate rematch and Diaz figures out a way to counter or keep Condit from escaping to the left with his head down eveytime he’s pressed against the cage.
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by ScoreCardOTN on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dana just said he agreed
Diaz rounds 1 and 2, condit rest of the 3.
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
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by discoandherpes on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Why, Diaz turned bitch, took his ball and went home.
Get over it. He got owned in every way. Carlos landed more good punches, and kicked the shit out of his legs. Done.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Diaz landed the cleaner shots.
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Nah. I saw the punching as slightly favoring Carlos,
plus fifty wicked leg kicks. Game over.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't really see Condit committing too much to his punches
by discoandherpes on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
I can't comment on his committment LOL,
but they were landing and stopping Nick in his tracks for the majority of the fight. Nick snapped Carlos head back a few times, and beat him up to the body for about ten seconds total, but he also ran into plenty of hard jabs and elbows. You can criticize Carlos committment and metaphysical sense of their impact on Nick’s being, whereas I can just say that Nick missed most of the time.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
For the record in punching:
Round 1: Diaz 27-14
Round 2: Diaz 34-18 (not even close)
Round 3: Diaz 23-18
Round 4: Condit 20-10
Round 5: Condit 21-17
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
Yeah Carlos' hair was sore with all that wind.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
Those were landed strikes
You saw what you wanted to see I guess. Personally, I saw Carlos running for 3 rounds. He settled down in 4-5 and fought well. I’d give it 48-47 Diaz to be fair to his leg jabs.
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
He was running, and outstriking Nick the whole way,
so you trust the stats, but not their conclusion. LOL. You’re clearly distraught, so I’ll just leave you to that. Don’t quit like your boy.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
Although in my mind I'm 100% sure Diaz won that fight I also accept you saw it different
So I’m fine leaving it there. Clearly opinion is divided down the middle. If I were crazy it would just be me. But that’s not the case.
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
Actually you couldn't be more wrong if you tried
He was outstruck. He landed more leg jabs.
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
It was a toss up on rd 1 for me.
Rd 5 was his though.
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Wait, so Condit could have gotten the Herb Dean two point deduction and still won? Crazy.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Yeap...
49-46, GSP, easily.
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by Captain Beyond on Feb 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
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There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Diaz won 3 rounds to 2 although I could see it going Condit's way, also 3 to 2.
My only issue is with the 49-46 scorecards. I don’t think either one of them did enough to win four rounds in that fight.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions
I thought 48-47 could go either way but when I heard 49-46 read out I was certain Diaz won
Since Diaz clearly won one of the first 3 rounds and the 5th.
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
People need to realize
avoiding getting cornered while consistently landing strikes (including several headkicks) is not running
Turning your back after landing said combo
is running though…. that is my point. Back turned and all.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yes and spinning backfists are illegal attempts to interfere with the atmospheric pressure in the area of the opposing fighter...
you sad hater!!!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Obvious troll
is obvious.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yes,says the guy who wants every fight stopped
when a guy gives up his back. We know who the troll is, but you make yourself feel better. Go ahead, it’s common.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
A-S-S
Are the first 3 letters in assumption.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
LOL makes a similar sound as the beginning of logic.
Now get some. You post is stupid, and you know it is. I hate it when a guy cries in front of me.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 5, 2012 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
Still trolling 3 hours after my post?
Get a life.
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by Ionnes on Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
to the 5% who voted 50-45 either way...
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by darkotto23 on Feb 5, 2012 2:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i actually gave all 5 rounds to condit
then got on BE and i see i’m pretty much alone on this one….
i need to rewatch it!
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by invinciblearmour. on Feb 5, 2012 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
really?
I thought Nick won the 2nd, and i also gave him the 5th because of the back control and sub attempts
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I rewatched it
Diaz 48-47
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Diaz 48-47
by invinciblearmour. on Feb 8, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
i loved nick's hissy fit
and on really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion.
by Johnathan Willis on Feb 5, 2012 2:40 AM EST reply actions
I had Diaz winning
Close enough fight, Shouldn’t be able to win a title pretty much in retreat. How many watched the fight with no sound?
Me and felt that Condit one pretty soundly
by Afrotikiman on Feb 5, 2012 3:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The weirdest thing about the scorecards is that the third round was the least convincing round Diaz won
Diaz won Rounds 1,2 and 5. That the judges scored 1, 2 and 5 for Condit literally makes my head explode.
Diaz vs Condit, MMA robbery of the century
Interestingly, if we judged this fight on Nick’s own criteria (i.e. who’s face was more fucked up after the fight), surely Diaz would have to concede that he had the bigger shiner under his right eye?
by BiscoBisco on Feb 5, 2012 5:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just thought he was sponsored by nike
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 5, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Man I'm done this this game, I quit, man, yknow, I don't need this shit
What are the odds he has a fight before Condit does?
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I really want to see him fight Koscheck.
Or maybe rematch Diego, their fight was epic.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty even fight, and pretty dissapointing
In that neither guy really did a whole lot of damage with their power shots. At the time, I thought Condit should have won, but that the judges would favour Nick for walking forward. Condit did a good job circling away from the power shots and chopping away at Nick.
The way I see it is that aggressiveness is only a deciding factor when it is effective. This fight was the equivalent of two fencers going at it, one swinging for the fences and the other picking his shots.
"Speaks well of a man to need a little something in this world. I wouldn't trust a man who could git through it cold sober."
--Harry Crews
I said it last night, before the fight,
Diaz lost half the fight to BJ kind of like how he lost last night (his opponent moving away from his grizzlie bear attack), until he finally backed BJ against the cage and could tee off and use his volume punching to great effect. Condit must have watched the tapes and knew to stay away from the pocket at all costs.
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I felt the decision was right...
As far as Condit winning, but the way the individual rounds were scored was a joke.
Condit will be such a great track star!
What is his distance anyway?
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