I'm so conflicted.
I was RIGHT in the middle of writing a fanpost about how happy I was just after Diaz-Condit finished. I was even gonna use this image:
I never thought Condit had a chance in this one. Never ever. After seeing his fights with MacDonald, Kampmann,Ellenberger, even Hiromitsu Miura and Hardy, it seemed to me that like his camp-mate Donald Cerrone, his defensive boxing fundamentals were far too poor to win against Nick. That combined with his "gameness" and eagerness to stand in the pocket and trade while relying on power punches spelled disaster to me.
And then Greg Jackson actually lives up to his reputation as a master gameplanner for once (as opposed to, say, Evans against Machida or Cerrone against Nate) and does the ballsy move of having Carlos turn the tables and get inside Nick's head. Who'da thunk it? Having the mental fortitude not to get drawn into wanting to knock Nick's head off as a result of the constant taunting and being willing to run the first two rounds (Shut up fanboys, yes he did. I'm even a Machida fan that back at UFC 70 was screaming myself hoarse against accusations of "running." Condit was running in rounds 1 and 2, he turned it on during 3-5.), it all got Nick so frustrated that by round 3 the taunts had largely stopped and he was mainly following Condit around, looking unsure of himself and throwing lazy kicks because he couldn't get to boxing range.
It was just brilliant. As much as I said that a Frankie Edgar-styled fighter would be the best suited to take Nick out, I never thought I'd see Condit implement that type of gameplan. I imagined a fighter that would move in and out, use variety in his striking and refuse to get drawn into brawling, but I assumed that good head movement and a willingness to punch at least a little inside would be necessary to back Diaz off. Even in round 1, it seemed that Carlos was swinging wild and too hard when Diaz got into range, and that he couldn't find space to implement his game. But it seems Greg Jackson realized something very important that probably should've occurred to me earlier: the most dangerous part of Nick's game is the mental aspect, but it's also the weakest.
It seems so simple in hindsight: refuse to play Nick's game, and he gets frustrated. Don't rise up to his taunts, remain calm when he "plays hood" (or however Jackson put it between rounds 2 and 3) and suddenly Nick is at a loss. It's some fairly strong evidence for what I've suspected before: Nick's street tough persona isn't an act per se...but it is a chronic defense mechanism. It's who he lives as, but he lives that way because life has been painful and scary for him, not because it's how human beings "really" are. If you learn that life will hurt you, why not take the fight to whoever's going to hurt you first? Spread your hands wide and offer your chin, and when that person (our "life" metaphor) finally takes a swing because they feel threatened, what more can they do if you're still standing? Now you're in a world you understand, which makes you feel in control, which scares the other person, which means most often, you're going to win. Except when the other person refuses to play your game. Like Condit did. Or like press conferences and other social situations that refuse to fit neatly into the fight-or-flight reflex Diaz has honed so well. And then maybe you start to question the preemptive mean-mugging when you don't get the reaction you expect, because if the person you're mean-mugging doesn't try and knock you out, what if that means you're the jerk for glaring in the first place?
I'm speaking more generally here than just about the fight between Diaz and Condit, of course you're in a fight and the other guy's going to try and hurt you in a UFC main event. Yet still, Nick's main complaint seemed to be about not understanding what had happened, didn't it? Here's a newsflash: there's more than one way to win a fight. Just like kickboxers complaining about wrestling or BJJ, or like a butt-scooter begging his opponent to come to the ground, Nick got frustrated because his opponent refused to play his game. So mad, in fact, that he claims to be done with fighting entirely.
And that's when I got a little conflicted, when I heard his post-fight interview right in the middle of writing my first sentence. As much as people have jokingly called me out as a fan during my 4-part series on Nick, I don't like him at all, despite respecting his skills a ton. And yet, given that the above two paragraphs make sense to me, it gives me pause. Clearly I have no way of knowing whether I'm right about Nick or not, whether the "I don't give a fuck" attitude is a hardened shell designed to protect an insecure man that had no other way of surviving from a young age, or if Nick really is just a jerk and that's all there is to him. My analysis up there is all armchair psychology and it would be irresponsible to pretend otherwise. Still, my experience is that most "real" people, stripped of pretense and pretending, tend to act less like Nick and more like Randy from The Wire: kind, sweet, and personable (though selfish) until forced to be otherwise. This is what keeps me going back and forth from saying I hate Nick to thinking that I feel sad that life has taught him to be so angry, and that really I hate his fans that only root for him because interacting like a sociopath seems cool to them.
I'm betting Nick goes back on his ragequit at some point, but if he doesn't I'll be a little sad that the MMA world lost one of its greatest talents. At the same time, I'm gleeful that someone finally, finally, finally scouted Nick properly and had the mental fortitude to pull it off. I guess I'm a little curious to see what happens to Nick if he does leave MMA. I suspect he'll be a lot happier without the press attention, but I'm also doubting his personality will change much, and living with that kind of spiny shell can make it very hard to get much enjoyment out of life.
Anyway, this fanpost kinda got away from me, but I for one am entirely satisfied with my main event from tonight's fights and would like to invite all angry Diaz fans to please collect all of your tiny, tiny tears in tupperware containers and mail them to me, that I might bathe in them and remain young forever.
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The most dangerous part of Nick’s game is the mental aspect, but it’s also the weakest…. Nick’s street tough persona isn’t an act per se…but it is a chronic defense mechanism.
We have come at this from different angles—I like Diaz and root for him, wanted him to win tonight and was surprised when he lost—but have reached the same armchair-psychologist’s conclusion.
If people want to hate Diaz for his personality flaws, his immaturity, etc., I can understand that. I tend to find the same traits fascinating, and deserving of pity rather than scorn. I hope he doesn’t reitre, that he can use this loss to motivate him to become stronger mentally. I fear that he won’t and will remain retired and bitter and out-of-touch with reality.
If people want to hate Diaz for his personality flaws, his immaturity, etc., I can understand that. I tend to find the same traits fascinating, and deserving of pity rather than scorn. I hope he doesn’t reitre, that he can use this loss to motivate him to become stronger mentally.
That’s kinda where I’ve been gravitating to recently. I still don’t like him, but I’m feeling a little shameful for having hated on him so hard in the past.
I’m somewhat hopeful for Nick in retirement. Even though you’re probably right about him being bitter about his exit, it’s well-known that he enjoys triathalons a whole lot more. I hope he can find some joy in that while being able to make a living there.
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I loved your "How to out- strike Nick Diaz" fanposts.
I bet Jackson & Co have been lurking on BE!!
Shameless bragging, I told you so’s:
You can’t shell up with your back on the cage,
you do that, and Diaz will bash you with dozens of hooks to the head and body while you sit back and wait for an opportunity to counter that never comes. Even if you are tired and he hurts you, you have to jab him away or score an opportunistic takedown. Because once he starts lighting up your face and ribs, it’s nigh impossible to come back.
by ElliotMatheny on May 7, 2011 5:48 PM PDT
Solid post,
once again my man. That said, I have one small bone to pick, and that is the simple fact that you can’t really use Nate Diaz as an exact template for Nick because although their styles are similar, there are alot of things they do differently. At this point, Nate is still a peppering puncher, doesn’t yet have the power, the body punching, the countering ability, or the balance between volume and power that Nick has found. He also has different defensive problems, as well as a highly different grappling game (wrestles from the clinch, using more of a judo type throwing attack; Nick uses an inverted guard and favors armbars, whereas Nate uses a more traditional guard and favors guillotines and triangles).
I agree fundamentally, though. You have to use active footwork against Diaz, as you can’t afford to be stuck with your back to the cage while Nick pelts you with a whirlwind of hooks to the head and body.
Noons, Cyborg, Daley, Zaromskis, and Gomi before them have shown alot of flaws in Nick’s striking- namely that he can be hit, and hard. But for some reason, it seems that whatever energy it takes you to hit him is alot more than whatever getting hit takes out of him. You can’t stray from the gameplan and swarm him with a bunch of shots, obviously you can follow him down when you hurt him, but you can’t go nuts and miss with several haymakers like Daley did. You have to keep boxing him, and by that I mean you have to stay disciplined and smart.
In MMA, I think the guys who could potentially outstrike Nick are few. Alves is a guy who I think has the athleticism and variety to exploit Nick’s succeptibility to low kicks, and the defense to avoid getting dunked with one of those pinpoint hooks Diaz throws. Condit, Kampmann, and Penn are all guys who I think would give Diaz hell standing and could possibly beat him there, but would be well served to take him down too. GSP would beat Nick everywhere IMO.
by ElliotMatheny on May 17, 2011 11:27 PM PDT
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 2:55 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Damn!
Great call on Condit there.
And yes, no matter how conflicted I am on Diaz the person and his retirement, I’m gloating the hell out of us being right about what it takes to beat Nick.
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For real, you were fucking spot on. When Condit didn’t go for Diaz’s taunting and stuck to his plan, I actually thought to myself “oh shit, gzl said this would happen.”

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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:45 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I bump this every time I visit this post.
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Kampmann, Ellenberger, and Macdonald have to be salivating over another shot at Condit
And good job, Nostradmus.
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What did you score the fight?
I also thought the gameplan was masterful by Greg Jackson. I think perhaps the leg kicks were starting to get to him why he started to plod around a bit more in the later rounds. That’s just a theory though.
Something that surprised me was the complete lack of adjustment by his corner. It’s like he had no idea what to do if someone kept circling out against him.
Scored it 49-48 Condit.
Weird, I know. Watching live I scored rounds 1 and 2 10-10, I’ll have to re-watch sometime. You could be right about the leg kicks having an effect.
Nick certainly had no idea how to adjust mentally, but his corner definitely deserves some blame. Nate’s an idiot, at the end of round 4 he’s telling Nick that he’s up 3 rounds to 1.
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I could definitely see the first 2 rounds as 10-10
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way the first two rounds weren't 10-9 Diaz
Aggression and Octagon control people.
The 2 least important categories,
and the 2 most often misconstrued categories. “Effective aggression” counts as a fighter walking forward AND LANDING A LEGAL STRIKE.
And if you think that Nick exhibited better “cage control” than the guy who was dancing circles around him and picking him apart with low kicks, you’re high. Sure- Diaz backed Carlos against the cage a few times, but Condit got out immediately every time.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Octagon control? Um Diaz had none of that. Just walked forward and let Condit spin out and reset in the center of the ring. Id say Diaz has no idea was Octagon control is. I thought he was supposed to be some great boxer? He had little to no footwork, just plodded forward. Like a dumb Rhino…
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that much.
Diaz definitely knows how to cut off angles and pin the opponent into the fence. I think that in a ring he would be deadly, pinning someone into a corner and getting off his high volume combos.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 6, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree.
And I think Diaz’s problem in trying to cut off Condit is that he’s used to being the bigger and more rangy fighter, which he wasn’t for the first time in his career against Condit. His reach and height advantage usually scares fighters into not being able to circle out for fear they’ll get caught. Given that, it took Nick too long to switch from trying to hit Carlos as he exited, where he presented almost no target, to trying to grapple with him, where he couldn’t defend a takedown.
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Condit did what he needed to win that fight and get the title shot that was taken from him.
If Nick wants to complain then Dana should feed him a steady string of dominant wrestlers instead of opponents that played into his superior skillset.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Feb 5, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions
MMA is Evolving You Babies
As a person of a certain age
I well recall all the cybabies that hated Tunney, Robinsin, Pep, Moore, Ali and more
that “wouldn’t fight” but instead “ran” and used the ring and scoring to win fights
Now we can all o look back and see that those “runners” were some of the greatest boxers of all time
while many of the fighters who stood and traded punches are just footnotes at best.
The same will happen and is happening in MMA
many of the pioneers and early champs couldn’t touch a belt today,
that’s just a simple fact
anyone that only uses one skill will never touch a belt again
and we will all live through it and enjoy watching MMA grow as a sport.
I wonder if Diaz is still interested in boxing
Because I suspect if Condit can use his footwork against Diaz that effectively, there are many boxers who will work him that way too.
I really hope Diaz comes back to us MMA folks. He still has tons of tools and could easily work his way to a title shot with one or two wins. His mean-mugging ass is still marketable as evidenced by how much Condit got booed at the end of that fight.
Thanks.
I’m really interested to see how Diaz does in boxing.
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I think MMA strikers
all think boxing will be like MMA minus the takedowns. I don’t think they realize how much higher the skill level is in the standing department when the standup is all there is.
by Scott Whitaker on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree.
I think having kicks and knees taken away will be a big deal too, because boxers (even lower level ones) are way better at head movement than MMA fighters since 1. There’s just a lesser number of skills to learn in boxing and 2. No need to worry about ducking into a knee. Good head movement and punching from it is the only way you stop Nick via strikes.
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Truth
MMA requires broad adaptability like Condit showed to have consistent success, but boxing requires minor tweaks to a gameplan all the time, especially because the differences in style are all about minor tweaks. Diaz is going to have to learn to adapt his boxing to different situations to actually box.
by Scott Whitaker on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
If he can't deal with Condit's footwork...
…how is he going to deal with the footwork of a pro boxer?
by Sabate on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure
Although being in a ring makes it easier to walk an opponent down. Mostly I’d be excited to see how Diaz reacts when faced with that kind of adversity, fighting against opponents that can not only avoid the traps of his style, but can actively punish him meanwhile.
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That's a good point regarding the ring.
I still think Diaz is going to have trouble with the footwork of a pro-boxer. They’re on a whole other level.
True.
But neither are there guys who need to maintain kicking distance.
by Scott Whitaker on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Great post.
I loved this fight for the very reasons you articulate. Condit showed he is a top-tier fighter who is able to smartly adapt his game to defeat his opponent. He displayed changed or new footwork, counter-striking and control of range.
Condit’s ability to switch his game up make me a lot more excited for his fight with GSP, perhaps more than I was for a Diaz-GSP fight.
Nice post but
you seem to contradict yourself claiming Condit “was” running in rounds 1 and 2. How was he running if he was executing a brilliant game plan? Refusing to stand and bang is not running. So sick of people saying that.
by NorCalTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions
I suppose I do.
Watching it live, I thought it was both: running, AND a valid tactic. It frustrated the hell out of Diaz, and then Condit struck once Diaz started to fade mentally. Taking some second looks, I failed to appreciate Condit’s punching on the exit against the cage, and how he moved immediately to the center of the cage instead of just getting away from Nick.
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