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UFC 143: Diaz Vs. Condit Staff Predictions

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Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit

Brent Brookhouse: I keep wanting to pick Condit here and then I think of all these reasons not to. Diaz has the relentless attack on the feet and solid grappling on the ground. But there's something that just keeps sticking out for me and that's that I really think Condit's wrestling is being overlooked here. I really do think he has it in him to score takedowns and do damage from the top while being cautious enough to not get caught in a submission. Diaz is going to have great moments and absolutely could (and probably even should) win the fight. That's not hedging my bet, it's just accepting reality. But in the end I think Condit can do enough to win a very close decision by working an underrated takedown/ground and pound attack. Carlos Condit by decision.

Leland Roling: After Nick Diaz completely destroyed B.J. Penn, it's difficult to see a path of victory for a fighter such as Carlos Condit. While he does possess solid wrestling, above average striking, adept grappling chops, and toughness, Diaz is a well-oiled machine that doesn't even stop when Paul Daley lands an atomic bomb on the chin. Lemme correct that. He stops for a split second, gets up, then continues wailing on his opponent. Unless Condit can smother Diaz with positional dominance for the entire fight, I see Diaz battering Condit to victory. Nick Diaz via TKO, Round 3.

Anton Tabuena: My prediction, the fans win regardless cause this will be a great bout no matter how it turns out... As for the fight itself, I think Condit will win the earlier moments, but Diaz will be able to take those shots, then overwhelm him when he gets to set his pace, and make it a Diaz-type of fight. Nick Diaz by late TKO.

Fraser Coffeen: Though I have tried, I just can't see a path to a Condit victory here. Diaz is very hard to KO and he's significantly better on the ground. That just leaves a decision, but I don't see Condit being able to withstand the Diaz barrage for 25 minutes, much less withstand it AND outpoint him at the same time. This should be a great fight, and Condit will make it fun, but I can't see any other outcome. Nick Diaz by TKO, round 4.

Tim Burke: I see two ways Condit wins. One is that bomb he dropped Hardy with, because as much as people point to Nick's stellar chin all the time, he does get dropped a fair amount. The other is something I hadn't thought about until a jiu-jitsu guy from Santa Cruz mentioned it - Condit could stop him via cuts. Both are pretty low-percentage though. I think Nick wears him down with his relentless attack, and Condit will try and tangle on the ground in the latter half of the fight due to losing the standup. And...Diaz will submit him. Yup, I said it. Nick Diaz by submission, round 4.

T.P. Grant: Both Condit and Diaz are great fighters, but at this point I feel Diaz is just better in most regards. Could Condit knock Diaz out? Certainly, Diaz's defensive fundamentals are not present at all and Condit has the killer instinct to be the first guy to finish Diaz. But to really hit Diaz, you have to find time in between punches to throw your own. I think Diaz digs to the body wears Condit down. Nick Diaz by TKO, Round 4.

Ben Thapa: In my head, this is the kind of fight that should be one of the first few videos people cue up to their friends and make new MMA fans. People should be proselytizing with Diaz and Condit fights to begin with, but this could be the modern equivalent of the Frank Shamrock/Tito Ortiz match that got me seriously into the sport. I spent quite a bit of time rambling about narratives and the one storyline I believe has the momentum and the power to continue on in victory is that of Nick Diaz. His boxing, his tenacity, the doubtful impact Condit's kicks are going to have and the pace should have his hand raised in victory. Nick Diaz, KO, Round 4.

David Castillo: As great as this fight is on paper, I'm having trouble really predicting how it'll actually play out. I suspect it won't be quite as chaotic as people think. Both guys, despite being in a lot of great fights are more calculated then they're given credit for, and a lot of those wars have come against fighters who caught them ala Condit/Ellenberger and Diaz/Daley. Still, I think Nick takes this fight. I would have picked Condit, but after watching Diaz beat Penn, I just don't see Carlos weathering the storm over the course of five rounds. And Nick has shown some newfound instincts in being interested in preventing the takedown, and getting right back up: even though Condit isn't a great wrestler to begin with. Even so, Nick is more polished on the ground. Nick keeps the fight standing, and Condit dies by the thousand cuts. Nick Diaz by decision.

Dallas Winston: There are so many weird parallels here to Nate's fight with Cerrone, and I envision the same outcome. Condit is an aggressive, slightly stronger (physically), Muay Thai technician with sick BJJ. I just see Nick trudging into phone-booth range with his incessant and off-tempo boxing and completely owning the rhythm. This match up features a scintillating medley of impenetrable chins, fluid BJJ, technical brawling and raw toughness; I give Nick a fraction of an edge in each category. Nick Diaz by decision.

Staff Picking Diaz: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Ben, David, Dallas
Staff Picking Condit: Brent
Staff Picking the Fans: Roth, (And Anton)

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Roy Nelson vs Fabricio Werdum

Brent Brookhouse: I'd roll with picking Nelson if I trusted him to be able to fight at a high level for three full rounds. But I think we're to the point now where we need to start really treating the whole "looks are deceiving, Nelson has great cardio" talk as what it is. A myth. Nelson is fine when he's controlling the action, but Werdum was confident enough in his striking to have moments against Overeem, if he'd have not abandoned it for the butt scoot. The opening for a knockout is there for Roy, but it's a fast closing window as the fight wears on. Werdum can pick his way to an ugly decision win. Fabricio Werdum by decision.

Leland Roling: The argument against Werdum winning is rooted heavily on Junior dos Santos knocking him out of the UFC back at UFC 117. For some reason, Werdum's chin has been questionable ever since despite going 3-1 in his next 4 fights and going to decision with power puncher Alistair Overeem. Nelson has knockout power, but he's far from an elite striker. Werdum beats him wherever he wants, but I think it turns into a stand-up affair with Werdum edging Nelson the scorecards. Fabricio Werdum via decision

Anton Tabuena: Tough fight to pick, and I expect this to be a really close bout. Werdum has better BJJ, but I don't think he'll be able to keep Nelson down or submit him, and I don't think he can knock him out either. So I think his only path is to outpoint him, and while that can very well happen, I think it would be hard for him to spend 15 minutes trying to avoid that right hand. I'm going with the upset, Roy Nelson by KO.

Fraser Coffeen: This fight gives me troubles. On the one hand, I think Werdum is the superior striker, the superior grappler, and should take this. But he also isn't great about protecting his head, which is bad against a heavy one punch KO guy like Big Roy. He also has a habit of fighting off his back, which is frowned on by judges. So there are a lot of ways Roy can win, and I have a tough time picturing how Werdum wins. All that said, I think Werdum is faster and has more dimensions, so gets it done, but it's close. Fabricio Werdum by decision

Tim Burke: I don't really see this is a a close fight at all. Werdum is better everywhere. Yes, Werdum could get caught by the big right hand, but honestly, Werdum has a good chin despite his defensive woes. His standup still looks sloppy, but it's a lot more varied than Roy's. If Roy works a takedown and tries out his top game, he COULD ride out a decision. But I highly doubt that. It's not going to be a pretty fight, but it's Werdum's to lose. Fabricio Werdum by decision.

T.P. Grant: Werdum struggles with elite strikers who are difficult to take down and good enough on the ground to stand back up. That is not Roy Nelson. Big Country has passable striking, but nothing special and has good top control but he isn't going to stick Werdum in a crucifix position. I think if he tries to roll with Werdum on the mat Nelson will get tapped out. Fabricio Werdum by Submission, Round 3.

Ben Thapa: I believe Roy Nelson will come out and try to implement the same gameplan he had against Two Saints. It likely has a better chance of working too. Werdum is more vulnerable to the takedowns against the cage and Nelson certainly isn't going to get knocked out by Werdum's punches. That being said, I think Werdum fights off the takedowns and barely outpoints Nelson, who'll be hunting the big right hand while recuperating from the energy expended trying to drive Werdum down without giving any limbs up for grabs. It pains me to vote against the Battle Beard, but I'm picking the rangier guy with the better ground game here. Werdum, decision.

David Castillo: Werdum absolutely baffles me. One minute he's going toe to toe with Overeem (in whatever sense you want to interpret that), and the next minute he's getting picked apart by Gonzaga (2nd fight, before the TKO), and Silva (early). I think this is a pretty good matchup for Nelson. He can avoid being submitted, and he packs that raw power that should come in handy against the still awkward-on-the-feet looking Werdum. However, Werdum has a habit of simply getting it done. I have to think he'll get it done against Nelson, who to me didn't look all that great last time. Fabricio Werdum by decision.

Dallas Winston: Big Country is a high level grappler but a master of position rather than submissions. Werdum's credentials trump Nelson's, which only leaves Nelson with landing the overhand meathook, and Werdum compensates for a lack of power in his Muay Thai with excellent quickness for a heavy. Fabricio Werdum by decision.

Staff Picking Nelson: Anton
Staff Picking Werdum: Fraser, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, David, Roth, Dallas

Josh Koscheck vs Mike Pierce

Brent Brookhouse: I think Tim nails it a few picks down. While Pierce is good, Koscheck is better. If Pierce wins I think it's only if Koscheck gets stupid and I think this is the kind of fight Josh takes far more often than loses. Josh Koscheck by TKO, round 2.

Leland Roling: As far as underdog picks go, Mike Pierce is as legitimate as they come. And Matt Hughes was absolutely outstriking Josh Koscheck until the hammer landed. So, the possibility is there for Pierce to take advantage of Koscheck's obsession with landing the knockout blow. In this fight, Koscheck must wrestle to win. If he doesn't, we could be in for a shocker. Josh Koscheck via decision.

Anton Tabuena: Pierce always has a chance to upset anyone with his style of fighting, but Koscheck is just the better fighter overall. Josh Koscheck by Decision.

Fraser Coffeen: A part of me is still thinking about Fitch/Hendricks and wanting to pick Pierce for the upset, but no. Koscheck is just a lot better, that's all there is to it. Josh Koscheck by KO, round 1.

Tim Burke: Pierce is good. Koscheck is better. Kos is still lazy with his standup and could get caught Sam The Eagle-style again, but I don't see it happening here. Kos will get 15 minutes of cage time in and move onto bigger and better things (like Carlos Condit). Josh Koscheck by decision.

T.P. Grant: I want to pick Pierce. We didn't see Kos really get hit against Hughes, and his surgically repaired eye will be a target for Pierce. That said, Kos is just a better overall fighter, and while I think the fight is competitive, Kos comes out on top. Josh Koscheck by Decision.

Ben Thapa: Knocking out Matt Hughes is not meaningless. BJ Penn gave Diaz a heck of a fight for a while and lost to Diaz 29-28. At the same time, Pierce doesn't get knocked out. He gets outwrestled and outstruck. Koscheck is capable of both, but probably not at the same time. Given his recent pattern of fights, I think Koscheck looks to outstrike Pierce and drops a round while doing it. The upset is certainly possible for Pierce if he can put Koscheck down like St-Pierre did. Koscheck, decision.

David Castillo: Fools. All of you. Well, not really, but I think this is the easiest upset pick of all time. Mike Pierce gave Hendricks and Fitch all they could handle, except both are more durable than Koscheck and can take a much better punch than Koscheck, whose knockout losses to guys like Thiago, and what's-his-face from the TUF card way back when still linger. Pierce will get in his face, and land strikes on Koscheck, who will be rattled early and often. The fact that Kos will have a hard time getting the fight to the ground, and that he loves to indulge the same left jab-right hand combo means Pierce will get his chances. I'll look stupid when Pierce loses. But not this time. Mike Pierce by TKO, round 2.

Dallas Winston: I haven't been able to mull this fight over yet. It's not that I'm unimpressed with Koscheck's wins -- but AJ, Semtex and Hughes are his only of significance and he struggles against other elite fighters. I just don't know if Pierce is elite. He can't hang with Koscheck's wrestling, but should stuff his share of takedowns or nullify a few with escapes. Pierce isn't a big power striker but has a nice in-fighting arsena, good, quick elbows and he's never been finished. I'll make my official prediction in the upcoming Dissection but will go bold in the interim. Mike Pierce by TKO.

Staff Picking Koscheck: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, Roth
Staff Picking Pierce: David, Dallas*

Renan Barao vs Scott Jorgensen

Brent Brookhouse: This is a really great fight. Jorgensen is a really rugged guy who can go in there and mix it up in an exciting fight with anyone, but he's a flawed enough fighter that Barao's game can exploit some holes. He's much less of a defensive puzzle like Cruz, but more of an attacking force that I think Jorgensen can't withstand for three rounds. Renan Barao by submission, round 3.

Leland Roling: At a glance, I'd go with Jorgensen's experience and wrestling to work over Barao. But beating down Brad Pickett in impressive fashion is no small feat. Barao showed us improvements in that fight, and I think we'll see more against Jorgensen. Renan Barao via decision.

Anton Tabuena: Jorgensen is not good enough to beat Dominick Cruz, but he's still better than almost every single bantamweight out there, and I think that includes Barao. Scott Jorgensen by Decision.

Fraser Coffeen: Like Werdum/Nelson, this one is a tough pick. Jorgensen is really good, with great wrestling and ability to control the fight. He has the skills to grind Barao down here. But so did Pickett on paper, and he got smashed. Barao has the momentum, and I think that, plus his sub games, wins the day here. Renan Barao by submission, round 1.

Tim Burke: Again, I don't see this as all that close. While I've always really liked Jorgensen and root for him, he's in over his head here (literally). Barao's too athletic and Scotty's going have major trouble getting his hands on him. I really think Barao is the guy to give Dominick Cruz a real fight, and he'll prove it here by winning a handy decision over Jorg. Or He'll catch him in a leglock. I'll go with the more likely outcome. Renan Barao by decision.

T.P. Grant: Barao's win streak is amazing, but I'm thinking it ends here. Jorgensen is still a great fighter can beat any Bantamweight not named Dominick Cruz on any given night. Jorgensen is going to grind Barao in the clinch and from top position. Scott Jorgensen by Decision.

Ben Thapa: Jorgensen is going to come in with the intent to wrestle Barao into the ground and fully aware of the power of Barao's knees. If Barao's handlers are as smart as I think they are, they had him working with Grey Maynard when he was in town for Jose Aldo's training camp. Barao's coach, Jair Lourenco, must be a brilliant teacher because I've not seen someone skip steps and go right to the finish in striking or jiu jitsu so successfully before in MMA. As good as Jorgensen is, I don't think he can ward off Barao for a full three rounds. Something is going to slip through and when it does, Barao finishes. Barao, KO, Round 2.

David Castillo: Awesome fight. I'm tempted to pick Scott because I think he do to Barao what he did to Curran. It's easy to be mesmerized by Renao's win over Pickett, and pretend he's the better fighter just because he's the hotter fighter but...no wait, yea that win was damn amazing. Still, I think Jorgensen will fight the conservative fight, and that'll make it tough for Barao, but I think momentum is on his side, along with the fact that he continues to improve while Scott is more or less the same fighter he's been for the last year or two. Renan Barao by decision.

Dallas Winston: I would've liked to had the time to scrutinize Jorg's fight with Curran because I thought there was a legit case for "Big Frog" taking the decision. I thought he out-struck him in the second and third and forced Jorgensen to freeze from the top with dynamic guard activity. Barao might have not have the same level of takedown defense, but his offense is scintillating and Jorgensen's best way to win is least favored by fans. Renan Barao by decision.

Staff Picking Barao: Fraser, Tim, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, David, Roth, Dallas
Staff Picking Jorgensen: Anton, Grant

Ed Herman vs Clifford Starks

Brent Brookhouse: I really find something neat about Ed Herman's UFC stint. He's been mostly forgettable as a "lost in the shuffle guy" or a "long injury layoff guy" but has finished five of his six UFC wins over some very tough names. Starks is going to get trashed. Ed Herman by TKO, round 1.

Leland Roling: Starks is a one-trick pony while Herman has consistently improved inside the Octagon. He has more tools, is more technical in both the stand-up and ground departments, and has fought better competition. No brainer. Ed Herman via submission.

Fraser Coffeen: As much as I'd like to see the newcomer get ahead of the veteran midcarder, I don't see it happening. Starks will want to use his wrestling to win, but Herman is too experienced, too wise to let that happen. Look for Herman to avoid the takedown, get back to his feet, and outstrike Starks over 3 rounds. Ed Herman by decision.

Tim Burke: Herman beasted Credeur and Noke, both solid fighters. As Fraser said, Starks will have to rely on his wrestling, and that's not easy against a (former) TQ guy. I like the new savage Herman, and it's going to continue Saturday night. Ed Herman by TKO, round 2.

T.P. Grant: Herman has been impressive of late and is riding some good momentum. Herman seems more well rounded than Starks. Herman may drop a round, but I think he wins at least two. Ed Herman by Decision.

Ben Thapa: Starks took that fight with Jacoby on short notice. We have not seen him at his best and he'll certainly come in this bout in better shape and with more energy than the grindfest we saw last time out. That being said, Herman has finally gotten over the knee injuries that kept him sidelined for so long and has put together some unusually good finishes. I'm hoping he can deal with the wrestling and get a leg like he did against Noke, but it may be trickier if Starks doesn't look to take many chances. I think Starks can pull off the UD and play it relatively safe. Herman won't be able to stand up or get a limb. Starks, decision.

David Castillo: Herman is the guy that manages to win when it seems like no one else is looking. No one will be looking at him or Starks. Herman is simply the better fighter, and I think he'll get it to the ground and score the submission. Ed Herman by submission, round 2.

Dallas Winston: All of Herman's UFC losses are extremely respectable. He's better everywhere but in pure wrestling and is quite dangerous from his guard. Ed Herman by submission.

Staff Picking Herman: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, David, Roth, Dallas
Staff Picking Starks: Ben

Dustin Poirier vs Max Holloway

Brent Brookhouse: Takedown, violent ground and pound, game over. Dustin Poirier by TKO, round 1.

Leland Roling: Holloway is a fun fighter, full of energy and an insane pace. If Poirier tries to stand and bang with him, it might get risky for him. If he's smart, however, he'll recognize Holloway's weaknesses on the ground. Rooting for Holloway here, but Poirier has more experience and the means to exploit Holloway's weaknesses. Dustin Poirier via submission.

Tim Burke: Damn you, injuries. If Poirier vs. Erik Koch had actually happened, the main card would have been AMAZING. Unfortunately for both of them, Poirier is now on the undercard against a 20-year-old Hawaiian (the youngest fighter in the UFC) with just 4 fights of pro experience. He has some amateur experience, but still. Poirier is way too much, too soon for Holloway. Dustin Poirier by submission, round 1.

T.P. Grant: Holloway is a blitzing banger with out much ground work. He has great hand speed and good boxing, but he just doesn't have the ground skills to hang on this level. Poirier gets him down once, the fight is over. Dustin Poirier by Submission, Round 1.

Ben Thapa: Holloway is going to want to drive the pace in this fight through the stratosphere. Poirier should be able to recognize that and plant Holloway down to keep things more sedate and under control. As that happens again and again, Poirier should be able to get a submission finish on the frenetic Holloway. Poirier, submission, Round 2.

David Castillo: Poirier is part of a very small stable of contenders to Aldo's throne. While I don't think he's ready now, and probably not ever given how awesome Aldo has looked, he's still beyond most in the division, and it's simply criminal to expect Holloway, who is completely inexperienced, to be a proper opponent. The Koch fight would have been insane. Dustin Poirier by submission, round 1.

Dallas Winston: Holloway's insanely frenetic striking should make him a fan-fave. Still, this is a cat with four fights being thrust into the limelight against a top-ten featherweight. Also, Holloway goes by "Lil Evil" and that is borderline blasphemy. Some things are just sacred. Dustin Poirier by submission.

Staff Picking Poirier: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Ben, David, Roth, Dallas
Staff Picking Holloway:

Alex Caceres vs Edwin Figueroa

Brent Brookhouse: Yeah, I'm not believing in the Alex Caceres improved ground game thing off one fight. He's still weak there and he'll get finished. Edwin Figueroa by submission, round 1.

Leland Roling: Incredibly, Caceres made us all eat crow in his last outing against Cole Escovedo. But that doesn't change anything yet. He needs one more test, and Figueroa should provide that. I can't get on the Cacares bandwagon yet, but that could change if he beats Edwin. Edwin Figueroa via TKO.

Anton Tabuena: Yes I'm picking Bruce Leeroy. I know it's probably a stupid decision that will lower my prediction percentage, but Figueroa's lone UFC win was against Jason Reinhardt, and Caceres just beat Escovedo. I will probably regret this pick a few seconds after the fight starts, but I'm still picking Alex Caceres by Decision.

Tim Burke: Figueroa is a beast on the feet. He hung with Mayday for three rounds in a hell of a fight, and blasted Jason Reinhardt (not much of an accomplishment, I know). Well, Cacares is Reinhardt-level of opponent to me (ie. punching bag). Cacares is a much better standup fighter than ground fighter though, so at least he has that going for him. Still though. It's Alex Cacares. Figueroa drops him and submits him. Nighty night. Edwin Figueroa by submission, round 2.

T.P. Grant: Really? Alex Caceres? Really? No. Stop it. Edwin Figueroa by TKO, Round 2.

Ben Thapa: That MacDonald fight is why I'm picking Figueroa here. Lots of spirit, better technique and more savvy movement. Caceres has a charmed streak going here and it was more Escovedo being awful than Caceres being good in that match. Figueroa, KO, Round 1.

David Castillo: I'm not on the Caceres bandwagon like everybody else, but I can't deny the improvements in his game. Even though Escovedo was a zombie in that fight, I was still impressed with how he dominated Cole when it got there. Figueroa beating Reinhardt means a lot less than Cacares beating a foot in the coffin Escovedo. I wouldn't mind being wrong, but watching Edwin indulge with MacDonald makes me suspect he'll indulge with Cacares' silly parlor tricks. Alex Caceres by decision.

Dallas Winston: I just see Caceres as a diamond in the rough that is slowly being polished. He's tough as nails and has always shown great instincts for the game, and now his frame (5'9") and length (73" reach) is an advantage at bantamweight because he's still lightning quick. It could be uncharacteristic in retrospect, but I keep imagining the ghastly haymakers Figueroa was hurling in round one against McDonald, whose hands were too fast. The glow ... Alex Caceres by decision.

Staff Picking Caceres: Anton, David, Dallas
Staff Picking Figueroa: Fraser, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, Roth

Matt Riddle vs Henry Martinez

Brent Brookhouse: I guess I'm picking Riddle, but good god...the horrors of his stand-up game. Matt Riddle by decision.

Tim Burke: Martinez is a natural lightweight out of Jackson's camp. Riddle is a large welterweight with good wrestling and bad standup. I'm just gonna go with the bigger man. Matt Riddle by decision.

T. P. Grant: Still waiting for Matt Riddle to do something with his physical abilities and I wonder about his maturity. He started out 5-1 in the UFC and looked to be a solid prospect but it has been a year and half since a win for him. Riddle may be fighting for his job for the first time and I think he may finally be fighting hungry again. Matt Riddle by TKO, Round 3.

Ben Thapa: The size differential is too big here. Riddle should hopefully not be fighting a hallucination of an opponent who stands three inches closer than his actual opponent this time and showcase his wrestling and standup. Riddle, decision.

David Castillo: What everyone else said. Riddle is the much bigger guy, and will be able to bully Martinez. Riddle is never a sure thing, especially with that Billy Blanks crap, but he doesn't need to be sharp to egt the victory in this one. Matt Riddle by decision.

Dallas Winston: MMAMania juggernaut "Ain't No Sunshine" threw me off when he said Martinez, a Greg Jackson product, had a pile of solid wrestling/grappling credentials and was a BJJ black belt. "This is our concern, dude." I give Riddle a little leeway for losing to two deceivingly game newcomers in Benoist and Pierson and respect his resilience for turning it around in the third against Benoist. By God, he will not abide another toe, sir. Matt Riddle by decision.

Staff Picking Riddle: Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, David, Roth, Dallas
Staff Picking Martinez: Fraser, Anton

Matt Brown vs Chris Cope

Brent Brookhouse: There are some really, truly bad fighters (from a "fighting in the UFC perspective") on this card. And Cope is probably the worst of them. Matt Brown by submission, round 2.

Leland Roling: Seriously.. Joe Silva must LOVE Matt Brown. Matt Brown via decision.

Tim Burke: U-G-L-Y, this fight ain't got no alibi. It's ugly. Cope has never shown a submission game. Brown's been submitted nine times. Guess that one's out. Brown likes to take guys down if he can. Cope's only real skill is takedown defense. Okay. So we're got a standnbang. Who wins? I'm not gonna go with the TKD guy, that's for sure. So...Matt Brown by decision.

T.P. Grant: Do I really have to pick between two TUF washouts? I'll go with Brown based purely on experience. Matt Brown by Decision.

Ben Thapa: I suspect if I pick against Brown, I may not come back from the PPV party I'm headed to on Saturday night. Jamey, this one's for keeping me safe in your house that night. Hopefully, Brown has wised up to his own atrocious submission defense and keeps this fight standing where he can let his natural craziness go and do something that leads to a win. Brown, sub, Round 3.

David Castillo: Matt Brown may be a journeyman but he's a journeyman technician, whereas Chris Cope is just a journeyman. From TUF. Matt Brown by submission, round 2.

Dallas Winston: Damn ... tough crowd. I will continue to call Matt Brown "The American Kazushi Sakuraba" even though it makes absolutely no sense. He's a killer on the feet, he roasted John Howard in the clinch (and hit a nice foot sweep on him), Hume has improved his offensive grappling but -- obviously -- his sub defense needs some work. Cope can't exploit that, but he kind of grew on me as a poor man's Chuck Liddell for his methodical sprawl-and-brawl. Plus, I respect the comments he gave on Brown leading up to this fight. Matt Brown. "Like water." Matt Brown by TKO.

Staff Picking Brown: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, Ben, David, Roth, Dallas
Staff Picking Cope:

Dan Stittgen vs Stephen Thompson

Brent Brookhouse: Drag that this one isn't going to be on the FX portion of the card. Stephen Thompson by TKO, round 2.

Leland Roling: Scouting Report, holla! Stephen Thompson via KO.

Tim Burke: Thompson has like 738 straight victories in kickboxing, and 5 in MMA. Great standup. Trains BJJ with Carlos Machado too. Stittgen is a grappler that trains with Clay Guida. How good is Stittgen's wrestling? Dunno. I'll go with Thompson though, since he isn't your average straight kickboxer. Stephen Thompson by TKO, round 1.

T.P. Grant: Most BE readers have heard about Thompson's kickboxing background. An elite striker who also is receiving top notch grappling coaching, Thompson is lethal when he finds his timing and range. Stittgen has a tendency to blitz opponents, but I doubt he can keep up that pace for three rounds or finish Thompson. I think Thompson survives early assault and then finishes after Stittgen slows down. Stephen Thompson by TKO, Round 2.

Ben Thapa: Like Grant says, Thompson has to get past the blitz and then settle into the groove. I think he can do it and we will see one of the better striking exhibitions for a round a half before Stittgen succumbs. Thompson, KO, Round 2.

David Castillo: Thankfully this fight will make the telecast because this fight will end early given the violence the two men's games allows. Stephen Thompson by TKO, round 1.

Dallas Winston: Odd that Thompson will get a clean sweep by the staff, because I think the match up favors Stittgen. Thompson's kickboxing is not the type that transfers well to MMA: it's an upright, hands-low, kicking-centric style that's deadly from the perimeter. Stittgen is a mean, stocky little bull with good boxing and power in tight quarters, plus he seems to be a savvy submission wrestler. I think he's the safer pick, but we all want to see "Wonderboy" go all John Makdessi in his debut. Stephen Thompson by TKO.

Staff Picking Stittgen:
Staff Picking Thompson: Fraser, Anton, Tim, Grant, Leland, Brookhouse, David, Roth, Dallas

Rafael Natal vs Michael Kuiper

Leland Roling: I was ready to pick Kuiper, but then I remembered... he wasn't exactly our highest pick for the Scouting Report before he was signed, and that was mostly based on the fact that he's unproven against better competition. He's crushed every can in Western Europe, but can he blow away an improving Rafael Natal? I can't take a chance yet. Rafael Natal via decision.

Tim Burke: I've been high on Kuiper for a while now. Wow, that sentence sounded weird. Anyway, I used to think Natal was quite good, but he doesn't really fight up to his skill level. Kuiper's judo will either keep it standing or put him on top if he so chooses, and I think he can win the standup over a somewhat-sloppy Sapo. Say that three times fast. I'm calling the upset. Michael Kuiper by decision.

T.P. Grant: After watching Kuiper I was quite impressed at how well rounded his skills appear to be. I think Judo guys have a very tough transition to MMA between taking off the gi and the restrictive rules of modern Judo but Kuiper appears to have navigated it quite well. Natal presented the biggest challenge Kuiper has faced and on the ground I think Natal enjoys a sizable edge, if he can get to top position. I think Kuiper works a stand up fight, keeping things on the feet, but mixing in a few throws to keep Natal honest. Michael Kuiper by Decision.

Ben Thapa: Going with the Brazilian decision machine here. As long as he worked his wallwalking skills, Natal should take this easily from Kuiper. I do like Kuiper's long term potential (The kid's 22 years old!) and think that his attitude of focusing on his striking will help him progress faster than if he went the other route and tried to judo his way up the ladder. Too bad he has to run into Sapo this early. Natal, decision.

David Castillo: Natal has thankfully shored up what holes his game had. That doesn't make him a great fighter, but it does make him a deceptively well rounded fighter. He throws with authority on the feet, and is seasoned on the ground. Kuiper's no pushover, especially for a guy like Natal, but I think he'll pick up the competitive win in this one. Rafael Natal by decision.

Dallas Winston: Kuiper has big power on the feet but I'd say Natal, especially when restricting himself to short, controlled bursts, probably has the more polished striking. Kuiper also looks really smooth for a young purple belt and his newaza is strong, yet he was still taken down a few times fighting on the European circuit. The key for Natal is to refrain from dropping his hands when throwing those four and five-piece combos that get a little sloppy and respecting Kuiper's power. I think "Sapo" can latch a sub in a scramble. Rafael Natal by submission.

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by menckenstein on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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yeahhh… I spelled it wrong didn’t I

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by Hendo_One-Shot on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Both Condit and Diaz

Are aggressive volume punchers who turn to submissions when they get taken down. Diaz throws more punches and has a better BJJ game, I really don’t see where Condit has an advantage here at all.

by MrPants on Feb 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

One punch power ain’t an advantage when it’s against Nick Diaz.

by sheikybaby on Feb 3, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz gets dropped a lot

I wouldn’t be surprised if Condit landed something hard that dropped Diaz, Condit swarms and the ref decides to stop it.

Diaz has amazing recovery and I don’t think hes going to get ko’d tonight, but I could see a ref jumping in to stop it when really he could have probably recovered.

I’m picking Diaz to finish it in the 3rd or 4th round though.

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by Tats16 on Feb 3, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So does Condit

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No one at WW has Ellenberger's raw power

But Rory Mac dropped him too and Diaz surely isn’t out of that realm of striking power. Plus, you’d think people would finally stop discrediting Diaz’s punching power by now.

He’s never had power but still walks through every striker or compensates with his chin.

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I never got that

He KO’d Robbie Lawlor(with a single shot) and Paul Daley.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This idea

Of the “Stockton slap” is getting out of hand. Yes, both Diaz brothers throw a ton of punches; no, this doesn’t mean that they don’t have power. Like you pointed out, Nick has legit one-punch KOs on his record, and I’d challenge anybody to call his body shots “slaps”.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It takes him less then a second to recover though.

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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He has no power.

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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz has no power?

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Reply fail. I was replying to something else.

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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

who?

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by Tats16 on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

See above.

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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

His opponents always have the power advantage over him

because he has too much.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of versatility I'll be interested to see if Condit tries to win this fight with leg kicks.

Cyborg was doing a lot of damage to Nick with them before the sub.

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by lowellthehammer on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd bet

That they’ll be the centerpiece of Condit’s gameplan.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cerrone fight features lots of leg kicks, so I imagine another Jackson trained fighter will implement a similar strategy against a Diaz. Cerrone couldn’t get anything else going but maybe Condit can.

by Pillowhands on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Cerrone

Had success with them later in the fight, and Condit’s much better at sticking to a game plan than Cerrone.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But he also not nearly as good at Muay Thai, IMO.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Also true

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

In MMA I believe his MT is better. In pure MT then Cerrone of course has the edge

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by AintNoSunshine on Feb 3, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit seems to get himself in trouble with kicks

Both Rory and Jake caught them and dropped him. I don’t know if it’s because the kicks don’t have enough mustard on them, but I expect Diaz to walk through them and make Condit pay.

by Pantherhare on Feb 3, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

How is Condit more versatile?

He throws more kicks, but that’s all I can come up with.

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

His style. His thai boxing gives him more in his arsenal then Diaz will have. Diaz hits insane angles, throws monster combos and pushes an insane pace but Carlos as a Thai boxer has more technique and skills to end the fight striking. His guard game has shown to be more dynamic in terms of scrambles and sweeps. Not saying his BJJ is better because it is not but it also opens up alot more doors for him.

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by AintNoSunshine on Feb 3, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

GSP said it perfect

On the ground, Carlos like to create chaos. Diaz like to be in control.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With respect, I totally disagree

I understand the essence of MT is using 8 limbs, but Condit rarely throws kicks (and often gets countered when doing so) and I can’t even remember him throwing elbows. He uses knees but only slightly more than Diaz.

While Nick will generally handle things with his right and left hands, his boxing is so successful because of its drastically diversity.

Strongly disagree with the guard comparison as well. I think Nick has one of the most dynamic guards in terms of sweeps and scrambles in MMA. What is the basis for saying Condit’s more dynamic? Especially against the top-shelf opposition in the UFC since crossing over?

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Carlos is more dynamic at all

He just has far less technique so he has to rely on scrambling. Whereas Nick has top shelf technique in all aspects of jiu jitsu, especially scrambling.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Just watched the Condit Kampmann fight. He throws quite a lot of kicks and elbows

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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 3, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit throws standing elbows consistently, and he surprised and hurt Kampman early in their fight with one. That’s around the time that Kampmann changed gears and looked to suffocate Carlos for the last two rounds. He also hurt McDonald very badly with elbows while on top. He’s been vicious from that position recently. I give Diaz the grappling edge, though — I actually fear that Condit will be unwise enough to challenge him there and get caught.

by Charlie Custer on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The way to beat Nelson is on the feet. Werdum cant do that.

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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 3, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Why not?

He’s way more polished than BC, who predictably charges forward and chucks haymakers IMO.

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Look for Werdum's

Inside low kick/straight right combo all night long.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised all but one are picking Werdum...

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by Zachary Kater on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

As a fight fan I'm as excited as I've been in ages to see this main event.

As a Diaz fan I’m nervous as hell. This fight isn’t the gimme many seem to think it is. There’s going to be a point where Diaz’s chin and ability to recover from big shots fade just a little bit and he’s going to end up on the wrong end of a stoppage since he relies on those attributes so much. Hopefully that time isn’t tomorrow night.

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by lowellthehammer on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

One thing that sticks out to me is the Rory fight. Rory was hurting Condit with the standup, especially w the jab. I think Nick isnt going to have an issue landing repeatedly. I’m more concerned w Nicks unwillingness to try and avoid punches, because he is insane.

by Pillowhands on Feb 3, 2012 3:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

nick diaz ate bombs from daley and gomi and still won those fights. I doubt condit hits harder than daley or gomi

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by yellopanda on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Precisely

Daley had the chances but, instead of going down to work a finish, he let Diaz recover.

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by Erasedhead on Feb 3, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's pretty close in power,

the question is whether the damage Nick takes will catch up to him. Carlos has survived some bombs, but nowhere near the amount of punishment Nick has.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm picking condit by tko.

Diaz relies on his chin too much. He gets away with it cause the guys that rock him don’t want to follow him to the ground. When condits rocks him he gonna jump on top and finish.

by C.A.M. on Feb 3, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Werdum nelson should be a pretty lackluster kickboxing affair.

I’m going with a mike pierce upset because hes tough enough to not get finishned and that gives him 3 rounds to find josh’s chin. Going with bruce leeroy cause I like his fighting style and the last dragon was my favorite movie as a kid. Don’t care about the rest of the card.

by C.A.M. on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

you guys should also do buyrate predictions

Outside of the outcome of the fights, I’m always interested in what cards do what numbers based on promotion and hindsight.

I think Condit’s smart enough to not let Diaz get inside his head. I’m going with an upset Condit TKO rd 1 or 2. Diaz is gonna be playing patty-cake and Condit gives him a front kick followed up by gnp.

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Standings for staff picks por favor?

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

You are ahead. FOR NOW!

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Standings

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

T.P. Grant predicitions

slightly better than a coin flip!!

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by T.P. Grant on Feb 3, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me just repeat myself for a moment

You should all be picking fights on MMA Playground. Not just because BE has a Civil War going on but mostly because it’s a great way to keep track of the consensus.

When someone writes “80% knew that Weidman was going to take an ugly decision” it’s nice to be able to respond with the fact that 68% of the BE civil war camp picked Maia (61% overall on Playground and 5 out of 9 BE staff members). Too many wins are discredited by hindsight so it would be nice to have all your picks logged for eternity on a site where you can easily browse through them.

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Yeah, but…that’s not our site.

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Buy it already!

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by KGNLuc on Feb 4, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

While I don't think you should underestimate Condit, this is probably the best prediction of what will happen.

After Nick Diaz completely destroyed B.J. Penn, it’s difficult to see a path of victory for a fighter such as Carlos Condit. While he does possess solid wrestling, above average striking, adept grappling chops, and toughness, Diaz is a well-oiled machine that doesn’t even stop when Paul Daley lands an atomic bomb on the chin. Lemme correct that. He stops for a split second, gets up, then continues wailing on his opponent. Unless Condit can smother Diaz with positional dominance for the entire fight, I see Diaz battering Condit to victory.

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by killphil on Feb 3, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Diaz did not destroy Penn

the first half of the fight was even, and THEN he put a beating on him. Its not like he ran through him, which seems to be what a lot of people are suggestion. Condit also has no history of gassing out like BJ does. More or less the same thing happened to Penn against Fitch, but instead of pummelling him, The Blanket gently caressed his hips into Penns tummy.

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by Erasedhead on Feb 3, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Condit's got this.

That Penn fight turned a lot of people onto Diaz. But Penn looked like a chubby mess and wore down quickly. Daley was too emotional and didn’t take advantage when he had Diaz hurt. He threw wildly throughout that fight and it cost him. I think Condit will be more composed, much more dangerous in a variety of ways than Diaz’s recent opponents, and will use his wrestling to keep Diaz guessing. He’s also going to land some kicks, particularly to the legs which could help him in the later rounds. How does this fight last five rounds? I say Diaz bleeds out from gashes near his eyebrows and cheekbones late in round 4.

by Charlie Custer on Feb 3, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

He had surgery since then.

Eyebrow cuts didn’t happen since the Pro Elite fight. And that was a long time ago. Obviously that doesn’t mean he can’t suffer cuts, but I think Condit would have to use knees and elbows for that. Diaz did not bleed that heavy from cuts in that area since the Noons I fight.

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by killphil on Feb 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I was only kidding about Diaz bleeding out, but I really do see damage accumulating for both fighters. If his body reacts well to the enormity of the moment, than Condit’s got the fitness, brains, and tenacity to reach the final bell with Diaz. Diaz may make it there too, but I just see Condit’s elbows reaching him a few times and possibly doing structural damage. I have no idea how this fight ends. I just don’t see Condit standing there taking Diaz’s shots for minutes at a time ala Penn and Daley. Those guys had such limited options. The thing about Penn is that he’s one of the greatest fighters in the world for about a round and a half. Then he’s just exposed to all the elements. I will say that Carlos seemed a little nervous during the presser while Diaz seemed ultra-calm. To me, the big stage is the wild-card. I know Diaz will use it, but I have my (slight) doubts about Carlos, who seems a little more human.

by Charlie Custer on Feb 3, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't about the bleeding out...

but as far as Diaz’s record, i have to agree. BJ is a natural lightweight with notorious gas tank issues. Daley a one-dimensional puncher. Santos, pretty mediocre talent imo. Noons, decisioned (and lost to previously). Sakurai, good for Japanese mma but not ufc level talent. And on and on down the line…

All of the dudes Diaz has fought previously aren’t at Condit’s (or GSP’s or even Kosh’s) level. Not saying Diaz did not earn his way to the top, but I’ll jump on the Diaz bandwagon if he beats true elite level competition like Condit.

by Kid Kimura on Feb 3, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

BJ is an all-time great and former UFC WW champion. Condit isn’t on his level. Or close to it.

Even Daley has bigger wins than Carlos.

Carlos’ biggest win is Dan Hardy or Stun Gun.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ellenberger?

Trigg, back when Trigg was good?

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not the one writing off future HOF fighters as cans.

I’m just being realistic.

BJ has held two belts in the UFC and just took Fitch to a draw a year ago.

I don’t see how anyone can seriously say that Carlos has fought the tougher fighters or has bigger wins. Its not even close, IMO.

I forgot about Ellenberger, which was a SD that looks better in retrospect, but Diaz has convincing wins over big names, including three of the best fighters in MMA history.

Gomi was in his prime and BJ was clearly still an elite fighter.

If those wins don’t, what does?

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Diaz has faced a better fighter

But that Gomi fight was years ago and in a different weight class. Still, I agree. I just rewatched the Diaz-Penn fights and though Penn arguably won the 7:50 minutes of the fight and then decisively lost the last 7:50. Penn was doing okay until he gassed (a Penn staple; it happened against Fitch too, and Diazs body shots no doubt helped). Halfway through the second, BJs corner tells him to go for a leg, which he does in lazy fashion, and then is beaten up against the cage for the rest of the round.

It is foolish to practice revisionist history and pretend that Penn isnt a great fighter, but WW BJ is far from a lasting fighter and I dont think Condit will gas like that.

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by Erasedhead on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You really don’t think Condit would beat BJ? Wow…

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by NickaG on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don't

But its a good fight.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the BJ of today @ WW

gets beat by Diaz GSP Condit Ellenberger Kampman Koscheck etc… But thats just my opinion.

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by NickaG on Feb 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's easy to say

But let’s not pretend we’ve seen some steep drop off in his skills. Because there hasn’t been.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Skills are there,

But the hunger isn’t. I truly think Penn could beat anyone if fights were one round long, bu they’re not and he breaks down quickly. His ability is legendary, but his will is unreliable. He almost seems content to lose sometimes when things get hairy.

by Charlie Custer on Feb 3, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You have good points

That said, he’s always had those problems and still ran through all the but the elite of the elite in two divisions.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fighters are much more skilled now, though. They’re also more advanced athletically. Penn would have had to put in the consistent effort to stay ahead. From a distance, it seems like he chose not to. It remains a testament to his inherent talents that he has stayed so close to the top, but we can definitely stop looking at him as a threat to the very best in any division. He could hit it real hard and make one final run, but let’s be honest…he just doesn’t seem desperate enough to make it happen.

by Charlie Custer on Feb 3, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Daley doesn’t have bigger wins than Carlos. The guy above you is underselling Penn, but you’re underselling Condit.

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos has Ellenberger

Daley has Condit.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant

Daley has Kaufmann

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit

Kampmann :P

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Daley beat Sarah Kaufman?

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

After the bell

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

In all seriousness

Condit has yet to beat a top 10 fighter.

Ellenberger was ranked around 15 or 20 at the time he beat him.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And that fight should have been a draw

Or, at least, there was no decisive winner IMO.

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by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You could say the same for Condit/Kampmann.

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by Tim Burke on Feb 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

"In this clip, there's thirteen ways to say you're sorry."

by Dallas Winston on Feb 3, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Daley said Diaz didn’t have the bottle to stand and brawl, then after Diaz flattened him, Paul claimed it was because the fight turned in to a brawl!
Carlos Condit isn’t going to present any problems Diaz hasn’t encountered before, but Carlos hasn’t been in with a guy like Stocktons favourite son.

by sheikybaby on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

That's shit's too funny

Nick Diaz Nominated as ‘Stocktonian of the Year’

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to be shitting me. I guess it is the 209, though… small pool of potential candidates.

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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Could they find a better person to represent the area?

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The other candidates include an eighth-grader, a group of three elementary school students, and a guy who’s been dead for 66 years.

by crazybones on Feb 3, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a wrap

He’s got this.

Those kids better not fuck this up! For their sake’s.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

In Stockton

Assault rifles are like 9mm’s.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

In ABQ

they make the meth that keeps Stockton afloat

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by merryprankster on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nonsense

Stocktonians only ingest the finest local amphetatmines.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

on cue

He’s not even at a gun range.

He’s chilling in his bedroom. Sweet bong next to him.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm picking Condit,

because I just think one of these two guys was born to finally break the other, and I think Carlos has more capacity to do that. Interested to see how his reach advantage affects Nick’s range finding jab, but either way we all win. And if no one gets finished, I don’t see how Carlos beats Nick based on the volume of strikes he lands. If there’s ever a fight to try to convert new fans to the sport with, this is absolutely it.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

I want Diaz to win. But I can't shake the look on Condit's face right before he went out and beat Rory in the third round.

That is straight up will power.

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by pud333 on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i think there is a solid chance

condit wrestlefucks diaz and this turns out to be the most disappointing fight since werdum/overeem.

hoping for fireworks though! that’s probably the most likely outcome … probably.

by Clifford J on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

when has condit ever wrestlefucked anyone?

He has only one win by decision (against ellenberger) and that fight was awesome back and forth

by C.A.M. on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

just sayin

it’s for the belt, and he might play it safe, especially if he gets roughed up in the first round.

by Clifford J on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

on mmaplayground i picked nick to win. but he’ll have to defend the td.

by Clifford J on Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never seen Condit play it safe.

It’s one of the big reasons why he’s one of my favorite fighters. Guy will give up save positions for the finish every time. Because this is for the title, I think he puts it all out there. Hey, even GSP did so when he was challenger. It’s just when he became champ he became risk averse.

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by pud333 on Feb 3, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have zero fear of this.

I don’t think you’ll see at takedown unless he’s hurt, or maybe to try and steal some style points from the judges.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Werdum, Figueroa and Riddle parlay is a nice little payout

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by aaronb on Feb 3, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Wanna front 90 for me?

Don’t be scared, homie. I’m good for it.

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by Erasedhead on Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I love me some Matt Brown, Matt Browns sub defense not so much

by couchjitsu on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

For some reason, my gut tells me Condit is gonna TKO Diaz

I just remember all the times Diaz has been rocked while fighting pretty weak competition in Strikeforce. Of course the man is a beast, and he takes punishment like no one else, but Condit is a killer (da-dum-chi) and I think if he hurts Diaz he will force a stoppage. Now, everything else points to Diaz winning—-style, ground skills, toughness, experience, volume, etc…—-but I just don’t know how many of Condits shots he can take.

There are other issues, of course. Condit is probably the toughest fight Diaz has had in the last four years, so he might not come in with that stupid and exciting style he employs that allows his opponents to find his chin. Hopefully he’ll come in composed and fight a similar fight to what he used against BJ.

There’s also a lot of talk about Nick’s propensity for purposefully falling to his back whenever he gets hit hard, which gives the false impression that he gets dropped a lot. This might be true, since Diaz has a good ground game from the bottom and feels confident off his back. He’s also very good at avoiding strikes when he drops down (think: The Daley fight, where he sort of shimmied around on his back). This all might be true, sure, but I don’t think Condit will be afraid of following him to the ground to work for a TKO stoppage like Daley and the others were. This might be Condit’s undoing, of course, since Nick has very slick jiu-jitsu and might crank and arm.

My brain says Diaz, my gut (and testicles) say Condit.

Diaz has all the tools to win this but for whatever reason I see Condit dropping him and pounding away until the refs steps in (maybe prematurely, God Knows).

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by Erasedhead on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Condit doesn’t stand much of a chance in this fight but I think if he can crack Diaz like Daley did, and follow up with scary ground and pound he will do what Paul Daley could not.

by castleeb on Feb 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

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by Earl Montclair on Feb 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Surprised so many expect Diaz to stop Condit

Didn’t Noon last 5 rounds? I know MMAth doesn’t work but I think Condit is a pretty sturdy fighter

by Frank Lee on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

iirc

Diaz wanted to only box in that fight, to prove he could outbox the pro boxer. Not expecting him to limit himself like that this time.

This is an oule.

by some schmuck in texas on Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

One Nelson Pick?

Seriously? He matches up so well with Werdum. KO I’d say.

Regarding Koscheck, he’ll probably win. Yeah, some flash knockouts… but he’s performed rock-solid of late and I feel he’s in the right place to beat just about anyone, save GSP or Diaz.

by superflat on Feb 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Roy Nelson has what, 1 win over a top 25 fighter?

The novelty is fine, but Werdum is a legit top 10 HW.

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by SSreporters on Feb 4, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Since Strikeforce, Diaz still hasn't beat anyone UFC-elite

Decisioning Welterweight Penn doesn’t count. Condit’s got everything to beat this guy.

by Kibitz on Feb 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Since Strikeforce, Diaz still hasn’t beat anyone UFC-elite
Decisioning Welterweight Penn doesn’t count.

so the guy who disproves your theory doesn’t count, i get it.

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by T.P. Grant on Feb 3, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, because...

…one win, four losses, one draw. That’s Penn’s UFC Welterweight record. Diaz taking that to a decision doesn’t convince me he’s ready for someone like Condit.

by Kibitz on Feb 4, 2012 6:29 AM EST up reply actions  

2-4-1

keep in mind those four losses are: (2) GSP, (1) Matt Hughes, (1) Diaz

and he was the most competitive fight Jon Fitch has had in a long, long time. Are you telling me you legitimately don’t think Penn could clean up against Matt Brown, Dan Hardy, Brian Ebersole, Mike Swick, or other midlevel welterweights?

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by T.P. Grant on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don't know with Penn

He impressed the hell out of me with his performance against Fitch—one I still think goes somewhat unappreciated by fans. Then again, he’s so inconsistent. There are fights he shows up for and you can tell he’s just not ‘there’. His conditioning remains a question mark. He seems unwilling or unable to utilize his full skillset (the Fitch fight being an exception).

That being said, I think he could beat all the mid-level welterweights you mentioned, except perhaps Ebersole who might give him some problems. I’d actually like to see Penn/Hardy at welterweight.

Anyway, I honestly think that people are legitimately taken up by the hype surrounding Diaz’s personality and the tremendous amount of media and journalistic focus directed at him in the build-up to this fight. They’re forgetting that on paper it’s easier to make an argument for Condit winning this fight, at least according to the level of competition he’s faced from his WEC days until now.

by Kibitz on Feb 4, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

That is all.

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by TheFilt on Feb 3, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it wasn't just a decision

it was an ass whooping.

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by Tats16 on Feb 3, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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