Dakota Cochrane, Ultimate Fighter 15 Contestant, Outed As Gay Porn Performer
by Nate Wilcox on Feb 28, 2012 11:08 AM EST
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Multiple MMA sites are reporting that Dakota Cochrane, one of the contestants on the upcoming season of The Ultimate Fighter, has performed in gay pornographic videos. Cochrane is best known to MMA fans for his upset win over former WEC champ Jamie Varner last fall. The 25 year-old Cochrane has an 11-2 pro MMA record that also includes a win over four time NCAA Division III wrestling champ Marcus Levesseur.
According to gay news blog Queerty, Cochrane was outed last fall along with another MMA fighter and porn performer:
...porn blogs recently outed these two porn performers as pro-mixed martial arts fighters-a style of ring fighting where opponents use any combination of boxing, wrestling, karate, and anything else you've ever seen used in a Van Damme or Steven Seagal movie.
It will be very interesting to see how Dana White, the UFC and FX handle this news.
White went on the record last fall about homosexual fighters:
White said that while a few fighters occasionally step out of line, the vast majority -- "300-something," in his view are inspirational, role- model types to kids and adults.
Though there has never been an openly gay fighter in the UFC, White said there would be no problems for that individual under his watch.
"I'll tell you right now, if there's a gay fighter in the UFC, I wish he would come out," he said. "I could care less if there's a gay fighter in the UFC. There probably is, and there's probably more than one. It's 2012. Give me a break."
He didn't however say anything about a fighter with a past as a gay porn performer. Recently the UFC apparently struggled with the decision of whether or not to sanction Octagon girl Chandella Powell after her soft-core porn past was revealed.
Cochrane was officially named a contestant on the series yesterday when the cast list was released. All 32 contestants are expected to fight for a place on the show on the series' FX debut on Friday, March 9.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 28, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
YUS?
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YUS, indeed.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
That sums it up
Being gay? Who cares?
Having a past with porn? That could be a problem.
by Flashking on Feb 28, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
If Chandella can be let go for doing porn in the past...
and she’s just an octagon girl, what will Dana do about this? Especially knowing that if he is removed from the show (has it started filming yet?) there will be homophobic accusations
by TheConcreteKid on Feb 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
The key difference is disclosure.
Chandella didn’t
We don’t know if Dakota did either though.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Chandella didn't do porn.
That, or my standards are too lax…
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wouldn’t that make your standard for what is considered porn more strict?
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow they actually fired her for that?
Why? She’s a frigging ring girl. Having done a bit of porn in the past is like being surprised that a restaurant manager worked at McDonalds at one point.
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by Shotokanman on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Not really. Porn stars and ring girls are in the same basic business: looking hot enough to get people to pay to watch you do things you would do anyway, like wear clothes, walk around, or get laid.
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by toxic on Feb 28, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
two words,
who cares? whoever exposed this kids personal life is a douche. the NFL is full of criminals, and NBA has its share of wrongdoers, and were gonna take away a lifetime opportunity from this kid cuz he did gay porn or whatever it is that he did? let him be. the bashing he will most likely get from his peers, partners, on tuf, ect. will be punishment enough.
"is my penis really small, or are my thighs just really big?"
ehh
He did porn. He exposed himself. L&F. I don’t blame the person that recognized him and brought it up in a public forum. If Jenna Haze started fighting for Strikeforce, I think I’d recognize her and would be talking about it. But I agree about leaving him be and not punishing him.
I say let him fight, but I worry
I don’t worry about STD’s or any nonsense like that. He did a scene with ONE other person. And that person got a blood test as well (I am assuming) which makes this consensual sex about the safest sex you could possibly have.
I DO worry that when I’m watching him fight, someone at the bar I’m at will make a joke and I’ll end up in prison because I will shank him in the neck.
by FatBa on Feb 28, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
he did a lot more than 1 scene and with a lot more than 1 other person
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My bad. FatBa does poor research.
I was under the assumption that he did a single gay scene with a single partner. Since I’m at work and don’t want to google this, what kind of history does he have in ‘the industry’?
This doesn’t change my stance towards letting him fight, I’m just curious.
Doesn't make me think one way or another about anything
He’s not beating up his significant other, not beating up his kids, not drinking drunk, not dealing in child pornography, not murdering anyone. He seems perfectly fine as far as I’m concerned.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions 51 recs
*driving drunk
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know man, you are giving the general public a lot more credit than they deserve.
We are as enlightened as fuck in here, but use a Local Bar Audience as an example of how well people (men in general) accept gay culture.
People still live in the 1960’s when it comes to sexuality for the most part.
Personally i can’t WAIT for the first gay dude to gain full mount.
Of course I find great humor in these types of situations…
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 28, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
my thoughts also
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Agreed.
He looked good against Varner. Or did Varner just look really bad? Either way, it will be cool to see him on the show.
by Hart Thorson on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I’m glad no one thinks him being gay makes him a bad person or whatever…cause it doesn’t… but as a fighter, I’d be very, very concerned about fighting anyone who was active in porn (of any kind)… There is not another sport where you’d be more at risk to contract an STD, etc.
I’d rather fight a drunk driver than War Machine post porn stint.
by Diz D on Feb 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Testing for STD’s is more meticulous in porn than it is in fighting.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Yes, more meticulous, but not quite meticulous… and not all STDs can be caught with a blood test or physical examination.
It’s an increased risk. Maybe you think that risk is negligible (maybe it is), but I’m just saying I think it is a legitimate concern, sexuality aside.
man, it's a couple of sweaty bloody people rubbing their bodies together
there is a risk for all TYPES of diseases, most notably creepy gross staph infections. choosing STDs to be worried about is straight up moralizing, and if that’s your concern you better stay away from some of the known straight promiscuous guys too.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Case in point
Kevin Randleman’s staph infection. Gross.
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I strongly disagree with your label of moralizing, especially when considering all the possibilities for a serious STD being transferred and what that would mean for the sport. I’m looking at this from a purely statistical perspective… and staph infection, while gross, can be cured.
…and yes, I this applies to anyone, but I am just saying it’s an added risk if you’ve been in porn recently…
What serious STD can’t be detected by blood tests?
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd argue neither are serious except in rare extreme cases.
HPV can be contracted through sweat and skin on skin contact, but most likely taken care of by your immune system so you may never show signs or know you had it unless your immune system shuts down. Herpes can be equally controlled by a prescription. Not to play them off lightly, but it is more of the social stigma than the actual danger of the infection. But you’re right, they can’t be detected by a simple blood test. Most often you need to be having an outbreak to be tested. I always wondered what the extent of their testing is.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
So true.
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by Charles Awad on Feb 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
apparently everyone has to wear a rubber in cali now.
"is my penis really small, or are my thighs just really big?"
There is a loophole for things shot in a legit sound studio, aka dealing with crazy union fees and whatnot.
So if you got the big ass cash and can pay the dues you can get around it, or so it seems. Not sure how that will play out as far as moving the projects to new locations.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
You know
Straight people can have STDs too. In fact, I know many more straight people who have had an STD at some point than gay people.
by YPG on Feb 28, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point… Maybe thats why I said porn of any kind and included War Machine as an example?
by Diz D on Feb 28, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That might be because you know more straight people…
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by Clay Davis on Feb 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome! I know a lot more white people than black people.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
sorry i know that sounds dickish.
But that’s a common logical fallacy- equating personal experience with statistical accuracy.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they CAN
but the gay community is, in general, at higher risk for certain types of STDs.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is more urban legend than truth.
It’s true that semen is a playground for STDs but does that mean lesbians have a lower STD rate? I don’t know. I’m just thinking out loud here…
by FightFansRadio on Feb 28, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
So here is where we'll have to tread particularly lightly...
In the late 70s and throughout most of the 80s, when the AIDS virus spread like wildfire, it hit the gay community in particular. From what I’ve read, this was due to 2 factors:
1. The promiscuous lifestyle of the gay community popular AT THAT TIME
2. The nature of gay intercourse.
Because AIDS is, for the most part, sexually transmitted, the promiscuous nature of the gay community during that time period lead to AIDS spreading like wildfire through the community. Additionally, because people typically kept that part of their life secret, they were reluctant to get tested or even tell people if they found out they had contracted the virus.
Secondly, the nature of anal sex is particularly conducive to spreading the virus. A person is more likely to contract the virus through minor tears in tissue (anal or vaginal), and that tends to occur through anal sex.
So- to answer your question about lesbians, I’m not quite sure that they’re necessarily in the same risk group as homosexual men. But its far from urban legend that homosexual men are statistically more prone to contracts HIV.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
the third factor that you are not mentioning
Is the massive indifference to the plight of gay men and the willful ignorance of the medical community to pay attention to a marginalized community. There were institutional problems in engaging this disease.
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by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
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by FightFansRadio on Feb 28, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Follow Up question
“A person is more likely to contract the virus through minor tears in tissue (anal or vaginal), and that tends to occur through anal sex.”
By that logic, would a female who is having intercourse for the first time or perhaps is susceptible to bleeding during intercourse be more prone to contract the virus?
I know this is WAY off topic, but I find it fascinating and educational.
by FightFansRadio on Feb 28, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Vaginal bleeding fascinates you?
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 28, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hey no prob my man- hope it didn't sound overly douchy
The short answer is yes. But I’m sure there’s medical intricacies that I’m glossing over or, alternatively, over-generalizing.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
yes
and men who are uncircumcised are more likely to catch/spread something as well
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 29, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.. that’s the price we pay for the sweet privilege of not having our dicks mutilated
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 29, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lesbians are actually the demographic group least likely to spread stds
also the least likely to be involved in domestic violence.
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You have a higher risk of contracting a STD with anal sex. Gay or straight.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 28, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a total red herring. You have to get a physical before you fight and I’m sure that blood borne STDs are on the list of things tested.
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I’m very confident of their medical testing actually.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Even when considering that many STDs can’t be detected by a blood test and some of the most serious ones that can, can take up to 6 months to be detected?
As an aside, does the NSAC do blood tests for their medical testing and just not use it for drug testing?
That’s why Aleks Emelianenko can’t fight in the US, since he has Hep C.
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I had heard it was pretty much confirmed
http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/8/4/1604697/aleksander-emelianenkos-mystery
that’s two promoter’s who have said as such…but you’re right in that no one is sure why CSAC would not license him in 2008. Still he’s never tested again in the US & no promotion here has signed him.
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currently there are hiv tests that can figure out if you’re infected within days, I think maybe two weeks? (they’re more expensive of course, but it’s not like the six months figure that was accurate multiple years ago.)
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely, last time I was checked it was only a two week wait.
But they also say to get tested every three to six months if you aren’t with the same partner. So I would expect if they were tested before each fight to pass the physical they would be tested at least once every six months for most fighters.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
There was a similar situation with Alves not long back wasn’t there?
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by Mattyjudo on Feb 28, 2012 1:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
dude if this kid had crazy amount of various STD's that perhaps somehow got by a blood test.
I dont think he would choose a career that required constant blood and medical work. trust me.
"is my penis really small, or are my thighs just really big?"
MMA is a sport where STDs have to be a concern and they are. Hell, herpes is a concern in BJJ class.
They are tested for, but no one seems to be clear as to what level and what specific tests are used. Even with blood tests, they aren’t completely conclusive, depending on the timing of the test and the STD in question.
I think everyone ackowledges this risk. I was just trying to point out the fact that, as a fighter, one could be concerned about the additional risk that is being introduced if you’re fighting a porn star over your typical promiscuous MMA fighter and that I think it is a legitimate concern you could have without introducing sexuality.
In response to that, people have been telling me:
- straight people gets STDs too
- they test in MMA
- they test in Porn better
- the testing they do in MMA is awesome
- fighters can get non-STD illnesses as well (staph)
All of that is great, but it doesn’t change my original point that it’s an increased risk and potentially a legitimate concern for a fighter, depending on what the timelines are like between both activities. In this specific case, I doubt this is something that’s an issue because I got the impression this was from years ago… This line of thought is probably more applicable to War Machine, because of the condensed timeline.
That’s it.
i think the biggest factor is this
“Danny” did all his porn work in 2008. If he’s been able to stay away from Brokeback Mountain and has been tested he shouldn’t be any more of a risk than any other fighter.
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About the NSAC tests?
It’s cheaper and more timely to test blood for viral STDs than PEDs. Was that it?
blood transference
It is really hard to get std from blood unless you are insert it directly into the bloodstream, for you to get it in a fight it would have to be almost poured into an open none bleeding wound for it to actually make a difference, if your bleeding that blood flow will most likely carry the std or whatever out not in
It makes me think something
“this was inevitable.’
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 28, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Also:
he’s missing a huge opportunity if he doesn’t make his ring nickname Dakota “The Gay Porn Star” Cochrane.
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
meh, its whatever.
regardless, I hope he gets to stay on tuf. he at least beat the crap out of that douche Jamie Varner. and when Dana was talking about other gay UFC fighters, he was totally talking about Nick Ring lol.
"is my penis really small, or are my thighs just really big?"
You leave mah boy Nick Ring out of this.
Someone shock this fool with an “Oh No You Didn’t” gif.
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*you're, fml.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I remember Breen mentioning this on air during before a fight of his last year
If it wasnt a secret then, i find it hard to beleive the UFC didnt know this.
Also, he might not actually be gay as is the stereotype of most gay porn performers. No idea how true that statement is.
Something I’ve heard about porn: Many gay porn actors are straight. In many cases you have to do gay porn before doing straight porn. So we dont know if he is gay or not, but I for one could give a shit either way. But we should make sure him and Big Nog don’t fight on the same card and share a locker room or Nog might be offended.
I don’t think this is a big deal either way. Some dudes drive trucks, some work in restaurants, some have sex with dudes on camera for money.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 28, 2012 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
some probably do all 3 at the same time.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that sounds complicated
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and it sounds profitable as fuck, although somewhat exhausting.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I Feel The Opposite
I say put him on the same card and in the same locker room as Big Nog. I equate what Big Nog said as the same as if he said he wouldn’t work with blacks, Asians, or white people. Ignorant and ridiculous.
by prophet665 on Feb 28, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
couldve at least changed back to his real name for TUF.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions 32 recs
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 11:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
but seriously
super porntastic name aside, why did he actually use the same name for both? I am legitimately confused about this.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t you say you read the article? His porn name was “Danny”
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
mmm yeah
but I guess it wasn’t obvious to me that he was outed. to me “Danny” looks like it could just be a nickname, rather than a full on pseudonym.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
im still wondering what molletcutpurse means.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
me too
where do you see “mollet”?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
good question.
sometimes i dont read too good.
mollcutpurse doesnt mean any more to me, though.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Death by dropsy
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
fucking awesome, right?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's one hell of a way to go
If only she had checked youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1muxhJdwTE
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
oh internets
can’t you get new goldfish at fairs in plastic bags? who would expend this much effort to save one? WHY ARE THERE THOUSANDS OF VIDEOS ABOUT SICK GOLDFISH ON YOUTUBE?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
pretty gangster.
see boss, mma gay porn threads CAN be educational!
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
So good
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by Charles Awad on Feb 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
He did change his name, didn't he?
I think his porn name was Sean Cody
by LanceHardpound on Feb 28, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's the guy who hired him I think.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
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There’s a lot to this.
First of all, being in gay porn does not mean he is gay. I know this will lead to “yeah, huh” responses. But, no.
Second, I think it’s extremely weird that some people think this is a banner moment for homosexuality. Not that I have a problem with someone doing porn, but I hardly think those pushing for equal rights for gays are thinking “if only we had more former gay porn stars engaging in fight sports.”
In the end, the guy is just a guy. He’s a good fighter too. The real story is in the following:
1) Does the UFC release the guy for this?
2) How long before someone uses this against the guy in the lead up to the fight?
3) What action does the UFC take if someone calls him a “fag” before/after fighting him?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Its a fairly well known fact. I think the Ufc knew.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m pretty sure they do. And I doubt they release him over it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm very curious to see what Dana does with this.
I think his inner businessman will play this angle up as much as he can, possibly even going as far as giving this guy a Bisping-like path through the UFC in an effort to gain a new market.
The gay dudes I know would be ALL OVER the UFC if they knew a gay man was beating up straight dudes on national television.
Like, fucking bananas over it.
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I highly doubt that
Sure Dana can be a little exploitative sometimes as you insinuate but I would call that more opportunist. Bisping did have to win TUF3 to get in and Dana used that opportunity to explore globally. Would they have kept him anyway? Probably but that’s besides the point.
I seriously doubt that Dana White and Co. see huge business in the gay community but I could be wrong.
I seriously doubt that Dana White and Co. see huge business in the gay community but I could be wrong.
Are you kidding?
The gay community is massive and in terms of demographics they are more affluent and educated than their straight peers. It is a highly coveted market.
There is absolutely no need to sell mma to the gay community specifically
I know of at least one gay sports bar that shows ppvs.
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 28, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
they're already marketing plenty to the gay community
they don’t have to do much beyond attracting hot young guys to their product.
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True, but you must admit that people often look for themselves in their favorite fighters.
The “That could be me” Factor plays a huge part in popularity.
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by Shotokanman on Feb 29, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
If they released him over this, that'd be the worst PR they could ever have.
Talk about dumb. I highly doubt the UFC is dumb enough to release the guy unless he actually loses some fights.
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Yeah if i've known this for months im sure the UFC knew
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by TylerTreese on Feb 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
If they didn't, they need to fire whoever they use to do background checks.
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There is simply no way that they can’t know. They have got to have a entire department devoted to knowing this stuff. Especially when has been mentioned, this isn’t really a secret anyways apparently.
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 28, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts:
1) They better not, it’d be a high water mark for their hypocrisy
2) Whenever he fights someone with the maturity level of your average Call of Duty player
3) Fine / suspension / have to review one of Dakota’s movies.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hehehe... "Duty."
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I wouldn't be particularly offended if people made fun of him for doing any kind of porn, pre-fight
He’s made a hilarious combination of life choices. He deserves a few friendly snaps.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
an opponent coming to the weigh-in
in ass-less chaps would be pretty funny.
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
oh, shit. thats funny.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Why? Because then people can go “HAHAHA! YOU’RE A FAG!”?
Sounds hilarious.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
it was more of a visual
not condoning gay or gay for pay bashing in any way brent.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of a Tom Lawlor
type spectacle. In a totally joking manner.
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Guys play up on their oppenents personal aspects and clown at the weigh ins all the time.
Pee Wee can dye his body hair and wear a pink scarf, can’t he?
If you were fighting a gay dude wearing assless chaps would certainly go a long way towards getting in his head, one way or another.
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by KJ Gould on Feb 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That hat disgusts me.
A serious offense to style everywhere and he should be ashamed.
Now, excuse me but I have to go frown and fume in silence over at that corner.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just being silly.
Fedoras are cool. Rorschach wears one similar to that one.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
I like my hair. I like my hats, but I like my hair too.
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My amazing sixhead renders hats useless to me
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
If Tito Ortiz can wear hats
You can too
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think you could prevent a rain out at Dodger Stadium with one of Tito's hats
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are right
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
So you're saying the race delay could've been avoided altogether?
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Could've smothered the JPM fire at the end, too
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
This pic is rad.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
chaps are assless by definition.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Context is everything really
It would be awesome if they could have a good laugh over it and move past it, but I doubt that everyone in the house would be cool with it.
by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
1. WOULD BE HOMOPHOBIC TO RELEASE HIM BUT NOT CHANDELLA
2.sorry about the caps.
2a. not long, id imagine
3.suspension.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they should release him, but I would NOT be surprised if they held their fighters to higher social standards than their bimbo ring girls.
why?
they fistfight for money. ring girls dont hurt anyone.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
For the same reason that they want to get rid of fringe sponsors like the gun store and condom depot. It doesn’t matter much to me but if the UFC is perceived as a rag tag bunch of social deviants hoodlums, junkies and skin heads fixing to make a quick buck off a scrap in a cage it could conceivably detract from the quality of their product. Not every fighter has to be a GSP but a fair amount of press coverage on a handful of fighters with unusual back grounds won’t do anything to cultivate an image the clean cut image of professional sportsmen.
I wish the UFC didn’t have to work harder to create that vibe than the NFL but they definitely do.
The UFC (MMA) has enough problems as it is
why should they risk going down that rabbit hole, this news will make waves within the fighters community and considering the show will be live the probability that someone will use Dakota’s past for trash talking purposes is very high. This could potentionally get ugly, homophobic slurs, the other fighters shunning him and all that on FX in an attempt to go mainstream. I don’t think the UFC has anything to win here but everything to lose. And let’s not forget the MMA fan community is not exactly gay friendly, think of that what you will but that’s the demographic Dana has to pander to. Businesses is businesses
"Higher social standards"?
It’s fucking cage fighting, dude.
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I guess it all comes down to disclosure. Was this disclosed by the fighter? I don’t know that we can automatically assume the UFC knew = whoever did the TUF casting knew.
by Johnnynumber5 on Feb 28, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what happens in the TUF house
but I suspect the edit monster that is TUF, even with the limited time to cut up the house footage, will try to skirt around any fighters commenting on this. Having a fighter make homophobic comments is not the kind of press the UFC wants for its first TUF season on FX.
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by T.P. Grant on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was just about to post this same thing
This kind of makes me want to watch this season of TUF even more, just to see what goes on in the house with this.
I'm not cynical enough to think this was planned
but maybe it’ll increase the draw for TUF in a community where MMA isn’t necessarily represented: gay dudes. If only for the freakshow factor.
Am I the only one who wonders why more gay people wouldn’t enjoy dudes with nice bodies half-dressed grappling with each other?
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Probably not
I think that may be partially why MMA-haters label this as a “gay sport”. They probably realize the same thing and since they’re homophobic, they don’t want to be associated with that “gay stuff”.
To my surprise, the few gay friends I have have been the hardest for me to get into mma.
They lose interest rather quickly once the initial, “ooh shirtless ripped dudes” moment happens. Just my experience.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think it should be viewed as a barrier breaker if it turns out he’s gay, I don’t think conservatism is all that high in the gay community, I believe most people who are openly gay are liberals, and by nature, liberals don’t have much problem with porn and would support this kid if it turns out he’s gay regardless of doing porn.
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by Orcus on Feb 28, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Boy, that’s a really kind of ignorant stance on both gays and liberals.
As someone with multiple gay family members and friends, they’re not all “man! porn is super!” Will they support him? Sure, why not?
But the idea that gays love porn because they’re liberal and probably want a former porn star as some sort of flag bearer for the cause of equal rights is weird.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he didnt say all liberals love porn
he implied that theyre more accepting of its existence than conservatives, i believe.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say love porn
I said being okay with porn, and openly gay people are vastly liberals, and liberals are vastly okay with porn. I don’t see how a gay person would take offense of someone doing porn, you should ask your friends and not jump to conclusions on how they’d feel about it Brent.
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Well, there’s a few layers.
1) plenty of liberals have problems with the exploitative nature of porn.
2) it’s not about taking offense to him being in porn, it’s the idea that he becomes some sort of beacon for the gay rights cause. If he is gay and a fighter I don’t think the gay rights movement takes any sort of step. That’s what I said in my comment.
3) Yes, with the categorization of homosexuals as sexual deviants by many homophobes, I’m pretty sure that a guy who had sex for money on film is not at the top of the list of people you’d want at the forefront of the gay rights cause.
That’s not to say he’s a bad guy (and I mean, we’re debating over something that isn’t the case since it’s almost certain he is straight), it’s not to say that gay MMA fans (or even non-MMA fans) wouldn’t want him to win. It’s just that I think the way it’d be treated is more as “yeah, gay and a successful fighter. so what, we are human beings right?” rather than “SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH?!” This isn’t exactly the Margarethe Cammermeyer or Harvey Milk story all over again.
I just don’t think this is some sort of cultural rallying point for a number of reasons. That’s all.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brent
we’re talking about two different things, I feel.
You’re talking about how people in general might take issues with the guy doing porn (from your third point), I’m talking about the gay community as a whole who I’d suspect would have no problems with him doing porn whatsoever, and would not care what homophones would think. and I’m talking about the community as a whole, not that some individuals would take issues with it, I’m sure there would be quite a few gay people who would, but the community as a whole I don’t think would.
On a second note, I’m not saying the gay community would use this kid as a poster boy to get more equal rights, I’m talking about inside the MMA community that if it turns out that he was gay, that would in fact be breaking barriers. the world of MMA is too small to be put into the context of raising gay rights as a whole, but inside our community it would definitely be breaking barriers if there was an openly gay person inside the UFC.
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yeah who cares what homophones say
they all sound the same anyway
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
A lady type
That’s all literary and whatnot and likes fighting? Take me now Jesus, I feel my heart failin’.. or I just think I’m in love..
And if that’s offensive somehow, I’m talking about gspmademegay. Who’s the jerk now?
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 29, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Most people who are gay are forced into a liberal category as conservatives REJECT them
seriously man. All kinds of generalizations there.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
lol
how can you force someone to be a liberal? If conservatives rejects someone and they become liberal, how the hell is that forcing someone into becoming a liberal? is it because the liberal agenda is far more accepting of their life styles? therefore they were forced into being liberals instead of choosing to go where they are more accepted? that’s some crazy ass conspiracy if I ever saw one…
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well, it’s hard to vote for someone who thinks you should be cured of gayness / shouldn’t have a right to marry your partner / shouldn’t be able to adopt kids, etc, no matter how much you agree with their tax policies. I think that’s what he means.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
but that's not being forced into being a liberal
that’s choosing a political view that reinforces your beliefs, which everyone does, including conservatives. if that was the case, then we’re all being forced into a political view, which would be a moot point.
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gay rights are a very small percentage of what liberals represent. I would argue that most straight liberals in the US agree with the democratic party’s overall orthodoxy — i.e., more social services, less war, more healthcare, fewer sekrit jails, increased gun laws, whatever — and if you happen to be a fiscally conservative gay person who agrees with the war in Iraq or that you ought to be able to live tax free in some militia in Montana, you’re essentially reduced to a single-issue voter just as a consequence of thinking you have the right to the same things straight people get automatically. imo that is definitely not the same thing as identifying part and parcel with the “liberal” spirit.
I have no idea how regularly this happens, but I don’t think that someone voting for liberals, especially not a gay person, actually makes that person liberal any more than doing gay person makes someone gay.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
doing gay porn*
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
that's not being forced into anything
that’s picking your battles, what do you weight in more, your human rights or your economical and other policies. I could say, those who choose to be conservatives and are gay, are just being forced into conservatism because they agree more with their other policies, even though they don’t fight for their rights (actually fight against their rights), so they’re being forced to be conservatives… again, it’s a moot point because if we take that route, we’re all being forced into a political view…
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ok you're being too literal
someone else can take over if they wish
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
can you not see that we're all being forced into our political views?
using that line of thinking?
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I’m going to just point you to DankNabbot’s most recent reply to you. I don’t know as much about queer theory as he does, I’ve just had a lot of gay friends and read a bunch of books, but I think it is much more complex and nuanced than is possible to explain here, especially if you’re already this attached to your ideas.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
that's a strawman
this conversation has gone from the gay issue into people being forced into a political ideology (that’s your stance, not mine), we’re no longer debating the gay issue here, we’re debating how people are being forced into a political ideology… if you want to quit and run, do so, but please go quietly if you don’t have anything else to add to your ideas.
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no I was only talking about gay people. I never generalized.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would argue that most straight liberals in the US agree with the democratic party’s overall orthodoxy — i.e., more social services, less war, more healthcare, fewer sekrit jails, increased gun laws, whatever
that’s a generalization right there, again, we all generalize, sometimes it’s good to generalize because sometimes the generalization is correct.
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most openly gay people tend to be liberals
that’s a generalization I used, I see nothing wrong with it.
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I think the forcing..
is a byproduct of the system we have in place. We have a two-party system with fringe groups on the wings, but realistically the two big parties are the only ones that have the power to enact any serious change in terms of social/economic issues.
Using Moll’s example above, if you’re a fiscally conservative, gun-owner and just happen to be gay, but your policies you exclude yourself from the mainstream of either party. There are generalizations here, but there have to be for the sake of this not being a ‘argue every facet of every point ever’ response.
The difference with the element of being ‘forced’ is that I as a straight male don’t have to contend with a major sticking point of being gay, which carries many inherent inequalities in the US currently. There’s far more tied to that domestically than a lot of other factors (as much as I love mine, gun rights honestly have nothing on gay rights. If you really need to hunt or defend your house, there are other alternatives. You may not like bows and pepper spray, but no such step down exists for gay folks), and it’s not a ‘choice’; it is what and who the person is. If I’m conservative by nature but have to pay higher taxes due to the implementation of a liberal social policy, that does impact me – perhaps significantly – but only immediately as an economic issue or as an ideological ‘this offends my sensibilities’ issue.
If I’m gay and the political party I tie up with on 90% of my social and fiscal stances also believes that I shouldn’t be able to get married, nor have access to any of the benefits that being married gives, or that I shouldn’t be able to adopt or any number of other issues in that vein, that’s not just something you can gloss over and deal with like adjusting your budget to account for 2% extra taxes.
When you have a bench made out of two gnarled, warped planks that barely fit together at times, you’re going to have a lot of space in the cracks for crap to fall through. It’s not as easy as saying one plank or the other. Also, terrible analogy.
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I’m straight and the conservative agenda usually does impose on my rights, usually with their religious agenda and also racial agenda, one doesn’t have to be necessarily gay for this to happen. But this is also not the only reason I’m a lib.
what I was getting to is that we all align ourselves more towards one ideology than the other, and I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of openly gay people will consider themselves to be liberals, but I think it’s an assumption and a stretch to say that they’re usually liberals solely because the conservative ideology being against their rights, as I have mentioned there are plenty of conservatives who are openly gay individuals, they’re just in the minority. Who’s to say that the ones who considers themselves to be liberals do so solely because of what you wrote?
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Then we're agreeing on a point
In that there are hard set factors that are not a personal choice that drive people to back a particular party or ideology, though personal choices (by default) fill the remainder.
what I was getting to is that we all align ourselves more towards one ideology than the other
Well, you can’t have both, so I think that’s the nature of the matter by default.
I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of openly gay people will consider themselves to be liberals, but I think it’s an assumption and a stretch to say that they’re usually liberals solely because the conservative ideology being against their rights
I agree here – it’s the same reason I try to avoid speaking in definites. There are countless shades of gray that work down to the individual level. I don’t think I ever said ‘solely’, but you’re somewhat shoring up the point I was making – the majority are liberal, in part because the collective thought in that neighborhood matches their own, but also because it matches MORE than the next best alternative. I’m not saying conservative views DROVE them to do it as if it were whipping them away from churches full of nice, god-fearing husband/wife/biological children families, but considering the general political apathy in our country, I think it’s plausible that many people that are more liberally inclined (I mean that in their personal choices, not their ingrained political ideologies) look at any GOP presidential candidate now and go ’That’s not me, I don’t want any part of that’ and go for the next best alternative without really needing to scrutinize it heavily. Big picture politics path of least resistance.
I hate saying it, but look at folks that view Fox News (or NPR, take your pick) as the gospel. You see and hear enough things that roughly line up with your core ideologies and hear enough buzz words and phrases to keep up with your neighbors and coworkers when you’re sitting around BS’ing. Everyone wants to belong somewhere but a lot of people don’t want to really do the work to earn being there, political parties are no different. It’s how we’ve ended up with the divisive and nigh-dogmatic differences between Liberals and Conservatives in the US when – realistically – neither system as proposed by either democrats or republicans is feasible for our country in an undiluted form.
Who’s to say that the ones who considers themselves to be liberals do so solely because of what you wrote?
Anyone that based their actions off my words is very foolish indeed – I’m usually just making it up as I go.
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ha
what I meant by that last line was the reason you were giving but fair enough, I do acknowledge that me being a lib is partly due to what I perceive as my rights and therefore the conservative agenda does discourage me, but like I said, their economical/internal and foreign affairs among other policies also discourage me from their agenda, which is true for all libs. I guess that’s why I take issue with this discussion, I would never really want to hear, for example, that I’m a lib because I’m black (the majority of black people are also libs), I guess that’s why it also ticks me off when I hear people giving a reason as to why openly gay people are libs. but all in all I agree with most of what you wrote.
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There are more options to pigeon hole people if that's
really what you have to do. I myself am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I vote republican and hope Dakota Cochrane does well in the UFC and is given every opportunity if his skills and work ethic are there. This is neither paradoxical nor hypocritical
He glassed me
sure
none of us are 100% liberal or conservative, but most of us would call ourselves one way or another, because usually we agree more with one side than the other on most issues.
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In the US, this is particularly problematic
due to the limitations of a two party political system. It forces us into a polarizing binary which is not at all a good way to live a political life.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I really wish we had more political parties
I want the presidential campaign to work like a 32 man super hluk tournament
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I do not think highly of one’s decision if they’re only voting for candidates based on their allegiance to a political party. That’s one of the many problems with the voter process in America. But I digress, since this is political discussion.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Let's turn it into a ridiculous what-if scenario
What MMA fighter would you vote for if only MMA personalities could be politicians?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Kenny Florian
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dana White.
The debates would be incredible. F bombs come to mainstream politics!
MMA personalities
and that will happen when I become a politician. F-Bombs in debates
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
DO YOU WANT TO BE A FUCKING SENATOR!
Ahoy-hoy.
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Jon Fitch.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
He seems like a nice guy.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I like cheap gas
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
then Obama isn't doing his job right
/Volkmannized
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Motorcycles are the truth
I may have permanently damaged the nerves in my hands by wearing warm weather gloves during winter riding, but I sure saved a couple bucks a week on gas!
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I bought a hybrid under cash for clunkers
40+ mpg and $4k instant credit.
I am the 99%.
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My coworkers and I were laughing pretty hard looking at the list of accepted vehicles
2004 Lamborghini? $4.5k credit!!!!
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
All you had to do was up your mpg by 10
It was quite laughable what qualified.
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by Papercut Elbow on Feb 28, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think that would raise the price
We need to get Iran to agree to disagree
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Iran accepting payment in currency other than US dollars is going to do that anyway. Ask Saddam how that worked out.
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Fedor
I fuckin’ love ice cream.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
It is b/c he lives right by a Magnetic Anomaly.
This is a fact.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would love for Fedor to become involved in Russian politics
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
does he have a criminal record?
if not, he’s disqualified.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
In Russia?
I thought a criminal record was required. I mean Putin has had to have killed at least a few men in his life.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
that is my point
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
ahh I see
We need him to fight a can, now!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Does having dinner with Kadryov count?
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
haha
ЧЕЧНИЯ УБЕР АЛЛЕС
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Google fails me
I got Chechen checked.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I got:
Uber Alles CHECHNYA
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a mixmaster
chechnya uber alles
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I rec
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Russian Dead Kennedys?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
i hate sandals over socks.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Does Fedor care?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
He says " : | "
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh, i dont mean on others
i mean between my toes.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
you'll never be a ninja with an attitude like that
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NICK DIAZ.
He would have the nuclear codes.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah
I think Unabomberman wants the world to end
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Some men just want to watch the world burn...
And then hit off that shit
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
So Nick Diaz wants to turn Earth into one giant gravity bong?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
He’d say “F your mother!!!!” as he pushed the button.
This will happen on a Friday
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
He would institute macrobiotic MREs, making them somehow less palatable
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
And we'd all be screwed
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can you imagine him
fidgeting and looking down at the floor while trying to do his State of the Union Address?
He glassed me
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, members of Congress, distinguished guests, and my fellow Americans:
FUCK YOU
He glassed me
Throwing little baby pieces of legislation doesn't win votes
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
actual LOL
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is
the nicest picture I’ve ever seen of Diaz.
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Volkmannize the UNITED STATES
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god...
The United Chiropracters of America would take over.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Glassectomies for all
… :(
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
better than Obama's communist healthcare
/Volkmannized
…
I’m not very good at this
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's perfect, since Volkmann isn't either.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not very good,
or better than the real thing?
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would just like to point out that in a roundabout way
I got the topic on this thread shifted to Volkmann
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Volkmann is very thankful...
Since his fights aren’t exactly earning him media time.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Good job
but you’ll see below that I turned it into a debate about religious theology.
I saw that
and I could turn it into a discussion of who would win in a 32 religious leader super hluk tournament
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Cthulhu
/debate
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Cthulhu Sleeps
give it a listen ;)
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lol
I shouldn’t have opened that door, I only wanted an answer to a question but I should’ve known what it would turn into.
i'm female
all I have to do is post a picture of myself.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
*beef bash
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are right
Does that make Jose Canseco a religious leader?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
hes getting just about crazy enough now.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
His new superhulk tourney intrigues me
I would pay to see Shaq really fight.
Learn something new everday.
He can't be president of the US unfortunately
Holland however?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather see him be a commentator for debates.
He’ll be like “Uh oh! Returning the fav- booyakasha!”
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the thought of Rutten liver punching that sniveling asshole Eric Cantor is a pretty comforting one
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bing! Bang! Bong!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, Vic had it right.
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 29, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
How about both?
I think Bas Rutten, Barack Obama, and Mitt Romney should join the Jose Canseco Super Hluk Beef Bash 1 32 man open weight tournament. I just am not a fan of the federal government in general. A wolf is a wolf whether they are wearing a Democrat or Republican clothing. I think I would get along with this Nick Diaz fellow you all keep talking about. 209! 209!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 29, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions
Mitt Romney has already defeated Seamus the Irish Setter in a locked cage match
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 29, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Larry Craig
They are just on the D/L
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by Papercut Elbow on Feb 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
then we’re all being forced into a political view
Of course we are. Status Quo is much easier to sustain if the populace is divided and against each other.
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I think Anderson Silva should take over Brazil in a military coup
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Let us know playboy!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd allow it
can’t be any worse than the previous Military Dictatorship we had, besides, Anderson is full of awesomeness :p
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C'mon Anderson!
make it happen!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It is happening
We didn’t fully understand Vitor when he said MMA was going to take over Brazil within 5 years. He meant in the literal sense.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 29, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
they change the speech now.
they will do any thing to earn that vote.
What goes around Comes around.
really
why don’t you tell my liberal self how deceiving I am.
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You can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal
it’s called libertarianism.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 28, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
not really
there is a big difference between mainstream the way liberals and libertarians feel about the government’s role in correcting society’s ills, and/or government’s degree of participation in the economy.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that
But hardline libertarianism – despite being the system I’d embrace in a perfect world if I had to choose just one – is completely unfeasible in the USA today barring.. genocide/eugenics? Libertarianism requires folks to understand the difference between positive and negative rights while holding to a pretty strict social contract of sorts and I just don’t believe it’s compatible with our society currently or in the future.. sans Mad Max-status future scenarios.
We are already completely ingrained in social services that have set up a level of entitlement that’d take more than a generation to break and the folks that are benefitting from it the most currently have the least incentive to change anything. It’d require both a significant reduction in their available benefits as well as a massive increase in personal accountability. If you saw any of the sites keeping track of all the angst on Twitter about kids disowning their parents or hating life because they didn’t get an iPad, or because their parents didn’t give them a car, or because they got a white iPhone instead of a black one, you’re not going to find any paragons of the American ‘wild west, liberty against tyranny, stand on your own two feet’ ideology we love to cling to.
It’s called being irrelevant in the face of reality.
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There's a difference between libertarianism as a belief
and the actual libertarian party.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 29, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Which I understand
but again, that centers around the difference between belief and reality. My point centers around the belief and its impracticality in applying it to society as a whole currently, but your point regarding the party speaks to the bigger question of an individual being ‘forced’ (I’d say it’s more of a case of having to choose the best of a bad lot, or being excluded entirely) to choose a side that Moll and Orcus had gone back and forth about above.
How much sway does the Libertarian party hold in current government? Rhetorically, some sway in the hearts and minds of folks that get teary eyed about an age of freedom and accountability to one’s self, like the old west days. Realistically though, not much. Big corporations + our Government currently + powerful lobbiests/interest groups =/= a libertarian system by the farthest stretch of the imagination.
If I’m misinterpreting you, please correct me. I’d like to hear where you’re going with this.
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Rhetorically, some sway in the hearts and minds of folks that get teary eyed about an age of freedom and accountability to one’s self, like the old west days.
People really romanticize the “old west”… it was an often lawless place where might made right, and was at that time quite recently stolen from the natives. Then again conservatives really do tend to romanticize the past and the “good old days” that never really were.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 29, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
just like there's a difference between communism and the communist party?
that doesn’t really have anything to do with the discussion on hand… I was talking strictly from a philosophical sense.
and values wise- in general both liberals and libertarians are for allowing consenting adults to do as the please as long as they are not harming anyone else.
That leads to the adoption of “liberal” social policies such as legalization of drugs, prostitution, doctor assisted suicide, gay marriage, etc…
The major difference is the role of the government- libertarians are against government involvement in economic life. They argue government mandates are an affront on personal liberty and freedom- to the point of arguing against mandatory seatbelt rules. This is the biggest point of libertarianism- get the government out of the way and let people live their lives with as little government intrusion as possible. Politicians shouldn’t try to fix the economy because they aren’t that smart on one hand and are often corrupt on the other.
Liberals believe that the government can be used as a positive force to cure society’s ills- and are for welfare programs, food stamp programs, after school programs, disaster recovery, etc. The government should aid the economically disenfranchised.
That isn’t some minor difference to gloss over. Its a major difference in belief in the role of the government in the public sphere.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 29, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
this is true, but...
in US politics, do libertarians actually have any voting options besides Ron Paul, who fails at civil rights to the same degree that he succeeds at civil liberties? also, this is a serious question: are there any libertarians in the US who don’t like guns?
minor trololol in that question, lest I cue the RRRRON PAUL RRRRREVOLUCIONARIOS.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
You can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal
without subscribing to libertarianism. A lot of people consider libertarian politics too reactive (or not proactive enough).
Nah, if you're fiscally conservative and socially liberal, you're a libertarian by definition
As I said above- there’s a difference between libertarian belief, and the libertarian party
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 29, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
well, lets say you grew up ina conservative household.
You believe everything in the traditional evangelical/conservative worldview. And then you find out you are gay and your community rejects you. You might still believe in small government but your whole take on civil rights is gonna take a big turn. See Andrew Sullivan for an example.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
again
how is that being forced into something, your political views just changes, you’re not forced into becoming a lib… in fact there are openly gay people who are conservatives, they’re just a very small percentage though.
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and i think those are the real gays
i mean the one born like that .. because some ones are just for it for the open pleasure.
What goes around Comes around.
Orcus, I like you
But I am going to bow out of this conversation, because I have been studying this kind of stuff for the past four years, and frankly, I would have to do a serious two page essay to properly lay out why I think your point of view is working with some underlying assumptions which are in my view based on some perceptions of sexuality, experience, and gender norms which I do not share. It is a cowards way out, I know I should just do the work, and post a wall of text, but it would take me a couple of hours. I could point you at Foucault, Judith Butler, Joan Scott, several books of Queer theorists, but you’re not going to read them. I am going to agree to disagree and bow out. There’s room for disagreement with affection here, so good day.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
dude
if you seriously study these stuff than you are perfectly capable of making an argument for your side. you are quite correct that just naming people/studies is not going to work with me because I will not read them, that’s not how you get points across, by naming stuff, you get points across by creating arguments. that you should be able to do with a paragraph or two…
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I don't feel that it is my obligation or duty to do so.
I wish you would reread my first sentence. But the fact is that I would make a loooooong post with many arguments, and that would not be the end. You would undoubtedly challenge those points and then my entire morning would be defending them. I just don’t care enough about your worldview to spend that much effort to change it and I want to continue reading, not working on an essay. i am perfectly capable. I have taken upper division classes in social theory in 5 disciplines: sociology (actually 4 courses in sociological theory including an intensive on Marx and Weber) poltical science, cultural anthropology, feminist theory and queer theory. If you think I can easily distill that into a comment you are fooling yourself. Please take note: I like and respect you, but I am not going to summarize my BA degree for you. Also, I don’t get even that until spring. :)
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
QUESTION:
Why is pointing somebody to read some aspect of social theories acceptable so as to continue an argument?
I’m not flaming. I ask b/c there is this underlying assumption that there is some objectivity involved in the matter and, as I understand it, you aren’t necessarily directing folk to some case studies where conclusions can be drawn but rather to the underlying concepts/ fundaments of a theory laid out by other people.
And it tends to always come up in my head whenever someone does this, which I never do, b/c I’m always unsure on whether or not it is even valid.
Again, this is a question, not me flaming or.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
*for get the last 'or' *
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
it isn't objectivity
it’s like a constitutional lawyer getting into an argument with a random bar patron over the 2nd amendment. why would the lawyer bother to argue with someone who is ill-equipped to even be an interesting discussion partner, if they have no underlying urge to be a douchey didact?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are two different things.
The constitution has effect because people say it does. The end.
On the other hand, gender studies and queer theory are not defacto-true b/c of the nature of the things that they deal into. That they are accepted or widely regarded is another thing entirely; but immediately falling back on them does not even seem to imply, to me, that you are even holding the right tools for the given argument where you are trying to use them.
What I’m asking is for someone to probably explain to me what standards of argumentative value, or standards of objectivity we can place in them if we’re gonna suddenly bust them out in an argument. That’s all.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
ok I don't follow then
I thought he wanted Orcus to read things so they could be on an even playing ground with regards to knowledge about the topic, not because of some perceived lack of objectivity. so maybe I am just completely missing your point here.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm not explaining myself. My bad.
All I’m asking is why it should even be regarded as an even playing ground regarding knowledge. Given that the nature of the theories he is bringing to the table are not fundamented in objectivity the same as, say, gravity, magnetism, or whatever. See what I’m saying?
Seems to me that even bringing those concepts into the fray does not necessarily mean that he has more knowledge or understanding of the situation given that he’s failed to present an argument by making use of them. It only means, to me, that he’s undertood the fundaments of the theories themselves but is not applying them into the debate.
I don’t mena to be asinine or notpicky, but this is a particular pet peeve of mine b/c I don’t understand it, hence why I ask.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
whatever man
gravity is just a THEORY don’t you speak ENGLISH.
not but seriously I think it is just a cost/benefit analysis, and if someone is clearly determined to hold on to their viewpoint rather than learn from someone who knows more, then it is not really worth the effort, unless the other person shows some sincere interest in acquiring knowledge (as opposed to trying to win a fight).
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
someone is clearly determined to hold on to their viewpoint rather than learn from someone who knows more, then it is not really worth the effort
oh, so you just believe what someone on the internet says and you change your mind upfront with no skepticism what so ever when they tell you that they’re an expert on the issue? listen, if someone is an expert on an issue, I’m sure they’d have no problem schooling the opposing view, it’s quite easy to do so when you’re an expert. I am, quite frankly, an skeptic when it comes down to it, sure, I have my views, but if I’m presented with a good argument I will change it, it has happened multiple times, it’s not that I’m trying to win a fight as much as I’m trying to be showed to be wrong. But I’m not going to just believe that someone says they’re an expert on the internet and therefore I’m automatically wrong, no, even if it’s true that they’re an expert, they have to show that I’m wrong.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
oh my god.
Brozinho. Love it.
Almost as good as calling my soon-to-be brother in law “FabriciBro”
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Does he make a terrifying duckbill with his lips when you say that to him?
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I get it now. Sorry.
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For real? :D
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for real. With a name like Fabricio, can't go wrong.
And it was easy to explain in portuguese.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point is that giving a resume of what you have been taught in school is not proving you know more
It proves you spent money to attempt to understand a subject. Nothing more.
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I wasn’t deploying those authors in an argument. I was saying, “listen, If you want to know more, check these guys and gals out.” I also specifically stated that i didn’t want to carry that side of the debate- I am not an expert, I just did a lot of intense reading of various disciplines of social theory. If I was at even the MA/MS level, then I would say I was an expert in a specific aspect of it, and PhD would be an expert on a broader area or a much more thorough expert on the same topic. I got a lot of information, but have not yet had the practice of synthesizing broad swathes of thinking on gender and sexuality. But if I had the time, I could put together a pretty good breakdown. But it would take me hours over a couple of days to do a good job and provide cites and sources, which would be the authors I mentioned among others, and I felt it was beyond the remit of a comment post, which I think is a reasonable position to take. But in general, if anyone is interested in learning more about it, Foucault’s History of Human Sexuality is a profound piece of work examining the history of sexuality and discourse and how the way we talk about stuff shapes our experience of being human as well as how we deal with difference and create the normal.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
But I agree in point of fact with what ulf said above
Listing these things doesn’t make one an expert. I just did to provide a little background into why I think the way I do, and where I am coming from. I in no way wish to say that because I studied things I am right. it was more a way to say, I got a ton of info which would take me a really long time to put together to address a pretty long list of points I disagree with, and I haven’t spent the additional 3-7 years of writing that would make that something I could whip out in the minutes it would take to physically type it. I have a whole bunch of other stuff I have to do on other topics for actual grades, which ironically I am delaying in order to read and comment here. Kinda funny and now I should get to work on my homework. Right after I read the next few comments.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
but see
the thing is, we weren’t debating on sexuality and its demographics, the debate had shifted from that to people being forced into becoming liberals, that was my very first reply to you after you had mentioned this, then you made one argument to which did not explain this, then you went into arguing from authority. That’s what I don’t get, my only beef was really the language of “someone being forced into becoming a liberal” that’s the only issue I had with what you originally wrote, and none of you guys went on to explain this.
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I think you're taking the word FORCED too literally
Its not that some gatekeeper is holding a gun to gay people’s heads and saying “No, you cant be here, you have to be liberal”. Its that regardless of the majority of someone’s political views, its hard for a lot of gay people to identify with an ideology, or more likely a party, who thinks that they are anything from deserving of few rights than others to an abomination of God.
A better choice of words may have been along the lines of “Discouraging gay people to be conservatives/republicans” instead of “Forced to be liberal/democrats”
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by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 28, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
my point is that it's a moot point
we all identify ourselves more with one ideology over another, it doesn’t matter why we identify ourselves with that ideology, it’s a moot point because using that type of rationale, we are all basically forced to become a liberal or a conservative (or whatever else). When I said that the majority of openly gay people are liberals, and people reply with “oh that’s because they were forced into becoming liberals”, doesn’t really hold water for me because that’s true for everyone, gay or straight, it’s a moot point, it doesn’t add anything to the conversation and I wonder why it matters.
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Interesting
A very interesting idea that I’m kind of struggling to understand. I generally think of myself as Liberal (with some Libertarian tinge, but thats not important) because my personal views tend to be more toward the Liberal side of the continuum. How am I being forced into being that?
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by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 28, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
in your own words
are you not being discouraged from being a conservative due to their ideology?
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I'm not being FORCED
I disagree with them of my own free will.
But I suppose I see your point.
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THIS. IS. NIHILISM.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
brent, i have nothing against gays nor gay porn, though i have never watched them,
but let’s call a space a spade- if a man puts his sex organ into another man’s behind, or vice versa, man, he’s gay !
Probably should have added the word "consensual" in there somewhere.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Girls kiss girls in college
But yet they are still straight. The girls do it for attention, he did it for money.
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First of all, being in gay porn does not mean he is gay. I know this will lead to "yeah, huh" responses. But, no.
Well i guess it depends how you define gay. If you have sex with men you are not necessarily attracted to men which is one definition of being gay. However, there is another definition of being gay and that is if you have sex with members of the same sex.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 28, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think gay just means being attracted to the same sex, a closeted homosexual for example who lives as a straight person and has sex with the opposite sex is still gay in the sense that he/she is still attracted to the same sex, even though they live as straight people.
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Like i say depends on your definition. To say you have sex with the same sex everyday doesn't make you gay is semantics.
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well, not if the person is not attracted to the same sex. I get what you’re saying though, that to some people may view this as ‘gay’, like people who says stuff like that shirt is gay or that’s gay etc. it’s not about the act as much as it is about the desire is what I mean:
homosexual (ˌhəʊməʊˈsɛksjʊəl, ˌhɒm-)
— n
1. a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex
— adj
2. of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality
3. of or relating to the same sex
sure, the act of having sex with someone from the same sex may be gay but it still doesn’t mean the person is gay, however, the desire to have sex with someone from the same sex is what homosexuality means, not the act per se.
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You do realize that definitions 2 and 3 prove my point right? Having sex with same sex is “relating to homossexuals”. Having sex with the same sex is “relating to the same sex”. We can play semantic games all day long, they are fun. If you have sex with members of the same sex you can be classified as gay. I’m not sure what you are trying to prove. I agree that one can have sex with the same sex and not be attracted to the same sex. That doesn’t mean that people who aren’t attracted and have continuous sex of their own free will with the same sex are not gay.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 29, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
there’s a difference between adjectives and a nouns, this is why I told you the difference between the act and the desire.
I agree that one can have sex with the same sex and not be attracted to the same sex.
well that should settle it then, but then you go on to contradict yourself, so I guess not?
That doesn’t mean that people who aren’t attracted and have continuous sex of their own free will with the same sex are not gay.
sure it does, there are other factors at play, such as money…
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Also i think having sex with men repeatedly means you are sexually attracted to them
The definition doesn’t say more attracted to than the opposite sex. It simply says “sexually attracted”. Having sex with men i think fulfills the requirement of “sexually attracted”
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 29, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Having sex with men i think fulfills the requirement of "sexually attracted"
how so?
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before you go
do you think it’s possible to have sex with a girl who you are not sexually attracted to? or better yet, have you ever had sex with a girl who you were not sexually attracted to?
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There's a difference
Between stimulus-response and actual attraction. Certain things pretty much run on autopilot, especially when decision making is chemically assisted. That, or you can abstractly rationalize it about round peg to round hole and squint real hard at the other details if you have to.
I’m agreeing with you if that didn’t make any sense.
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made perfect sense brother
I’m not always out to pick a fight even though the language I use may suggest otherwise :p
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Since we're on semantics and it's getting ridiculous
I’d argue that you could engage in intercourse with someone of the same sex without being attracted to them. Hypothetical: You’re in dire need of money, there is a means to money available. You are capable of detatching yourself from the taboos surrounding things of a sexual nature. Lastly, you’re a living organism that responds to stimuli.
If you keep the three in mind and squint, it’s not impossible that he rationalized it as doing what he had to do, and then got on with his life. It’s not like he had to take whoever he was performing with out to a nice candlelit dinner while explaining all his hopes and fears before a long walk on the beach to get ready for the scene – they have folks in the industry that do nothing but get folks ready to go. Again, disassociated from the taboos either through personal belief or the nature of the circumstances, the rest is stimulus-response.
Are heterosexual streetwalkers attracted to the folks they hook up with? Why is it any different if it’s the same sex?
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Oh also
You have no idea the self-hate he has. I’m not saying he has any – hopefully he’s fully rationalized his past and is able to live a life beyond it, if it truly was something he didn’t like – but he could also have hated every minute of it and only done it because it was what he needed to do to get by.
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Or maybe the Taliban kidnapped him and made him do it. Or maybe it was his evil twin. Or maybe it was a parallel universe so while it was him it wasn’t actually him. Or maybe…..
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 29, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
You can't be all "Look at this girl's boobs in Playboy!" and then get in a tizzy over this.
Besides- I don’t care enough to look up his porn. Back to my Chandella Google search!
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Whatever your thoughts on either, Playboy is deemed more socially acceptable than gay porn
(among adults)
So as a result social reaction is going to wildly vary. You also don’t see cavities or bodily fluids in Playboy spreads.
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by KJ Gould on Feb 28, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"You also don’t see cavities or bodily fluids in Playboy spreads."
I KNOW- despite years of letters. From me.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
thought you were gonna say
‘you do after im through with them.’
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Oooooh.
You have a bingo.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s also why Playboy is dying.
There might have been a time when you’d want your porn to be somewhat arty and sanitized so when your wife or kids found the stash you had some kind of deniability.
This era ended when they came out with the private browsing feature. No more need for plausible deniability in your porn choices.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, I think mainstream cinema and television is more explicit than Playboy by today's standards
By today’s standards, Playboy is pretty tame for an adult audience.
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This is a pretty similar situation in where both applicants to a job left out important background info that might be made up to reflect negatively on the company.
If they axed Chandella, they’ve set a pretty non-rad history of doing things for how they will handle Mr. Chochrane’s case.
50/50 that he gets fired.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Horselover or someone posted a link to an article that talked about his porn career...
Said he had a girlfriend, at least when he first flew out to Cali… And that he was in awe at seeing Cali girls boobs… So I don’t think people should label him as “gay”. I mean, Chrisian Bale isn’t really Batman.
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I doubt there are internaionally revered schools of method acting that cater for gay porn though
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by KJ Gould on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gay for pay is a pretty big thing though.
I’m pretty sure the guy is married with a kid now.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, I just thought the Christian Bale comment was funny
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Maybe he just swings both ways, but likes the ladies some more.
I mean, could be.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
the first thing that this reminded me of was an HBO special where a married dude was doing gay for pay porn and his wife was giving him pointers on how to suck cock. she’d be on set giving advice. dude made primo cash and bought himself a house for him and his lady.
these things just happen, i guess.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
really not trying to be stupid here but
how do you get aroused to the point of orgasm with a member of the same sexual orientation if youre not homosexual?
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Fluffers
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
fluffers union local 157?
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And not pills either, injection straight into the shaft
I kid you not. Pills aren’t as effective or immediate.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 28, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF? I'd rather not have track marks on my dick for the rest of my life.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
People think being a pornstar would be an awesome job
But your dick takes some abuse in addition to the sex. It is not a job I’d ever want to do.
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Part time porn star?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve heard of embalming fluid being injected straight into the penis, as well as something called kaverjet or something that i think is similar to caulk.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
did you just say caulk?
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
So much caulk
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i love that gif to death. i really didn’t realize this was coming until about a minute after i typed it.
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by Dustin Luff on Feb 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
There are drugs that can keep you erect and from there it’s pretty much a fact that your body will do what nature designed it to do when stimulation is introduced.
This may sound extreme, but there are sexually abused kids that orgasm despite being horrified and certainly not “enjoying” the situation. That’s far more traumatic than being in a situation where you’re being paid quite well to do a gay porn video.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Great explanation.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
...that i wish i never read.
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Your user name keeps cracking me up for this topic.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
If more people knew this, it would be a lot easier on survivors of sexual abuse, child, adult, or anywhere in between. So much self-blame happens because of that ignorance.
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Aye, points here
Part of it comes from the puritanical taboos we have around sex in this country. When people feel like they’re outside the norm, a lot of the hate there goes internal. It’s really hard to see how that plays out on people you love when they have – for good reason – irrational barriers that impact their daily/personal lives.
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castro high, huh? :)
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Are you referring to my high school?
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
the irony of that question & your log in is just too funny. If taken completely out of context it might be considered rhetoric.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 28, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
It is extremely difficult to climax
on the typical porn set. Realize that its not just the actors, actresses, and a single camera person. You have sound guys, light guys, editors, director, makeup, etc. You have to maintain a complete control over your body, blocking out everything around you.
If I had the girl of your dreams and told you I would pay you $400 to rail her while 20 of us just watched and recorded it. You wouldn’t be able to do it, like most people who can’t even talk in front of a group of strangers, let alone go to town. Once you master that skill set, you can put your mind (and penis) into anything. One hole is as good as another, except the gay porn is MAJOR increase in pay.
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by UMBC Oriole fan on Feb 28, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I'll just re-post since you brought it up:
Found a whole article detailing his porn career and his MMA thing, on what apparently is "The Official Gay Adult Film Industry Publication". Warning for you sensitive types: there are some graphic pictures there, and some naughty language (but no d*cks or h*les showing). NSFW: http://jrlchartsonline.net/JRL2010/index.php/2011/08/former-gay-adult-film-actor-continues-winning-streak-for-mma/
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
this article is soooo cringeworthily written.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
The images seemed a bit unnecessary as well, but oh well.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, he is.
Zakkree was just kidding.
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by KatGirl on Feb 28, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's the last one Christopher Nolan is going to direct
So I’ll gladly skip the next one… IF there’s a next one
by FightFansRadio on Feb 28, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
By the way
I wouldn’t put all that much credence in the “backstory” provided by a porn website. I read it yesterday and if you bought that I think you need to talk to me about some financial investment opportunities in the bridge market.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Do you have any other info to work with?
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
So much room for silliness here, as I struggle not to make attempts to be funny
No. sigh. no, I don’t.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Christian Bale isn't really Batman? :(
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by T.C. Engel on Feb 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bruce Wayne is Batman. Christian Bale is Bruce Wayne.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ergo christian bale is batman
Case closed
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by benten20 on Feb 28, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But what about everyone else
Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney?
Definitely NOT Clooney
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 12:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
kevin conroy is batman
n00bz
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth
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Goddamn...I HATE YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF IT!
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Make it Stop!
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I say let the guy fight
If the UFC is really truly about wanting to be a “main stream” sport. Then they need to let people fight it out in the cage. Not in the court of public opinion.
Doubt this guy is the first or only guy anyway. Does’t everyone remember that one guy…..Rick Ning?
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hes not openly gay if he is gay
But his gay antics were funny regardless
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by benten20 on Feb 28, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh I don't really care dude worked in the porn industry from what I've learned most of the dudes end up doing Gay porn for work
And in the end I just don’t care which ever way he goes.
He still beat Jamie Varner and thats all that matters
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by MaZZacare on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He still beat Jamie Varner and thats all that matters
If only that were true.
by Johnnynumber5 on Feb 28, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
I watch MMA to see people fight.
by Josh Lee on Feb 28, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
This.
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by Patrick Tenney on Feb 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
There you go.
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Good thing Nog isn't coaching this season.
by Sqwibbs on Feb 28, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
God I wish Nog was coaching now.
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by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or Lesnar
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by sun yue on Feb 28, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In my brain, that season plays out like Charlie Murphy's Prince playing basketball story.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
One could only hope and pray.
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Nog is kind of like that
uncle that is homophobic, racist, old, and bigoted, yet he is still kind of somewhat liked (or in nog’s case, loved) in spite of it.
by Fear the RUSH on Feb 28, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a cultural thing.
Brazil on a whole is less accepting of homosexuality than say, the US or Europe.
based on what?
Brazil has the biggest Gay Pride parade in the world and it also has way more gay rights than the US (perhaps not Europe though). that doesn’t mean 100% of the people are ok with homosexuality, but culturally I’d dispute it being behind the US…
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by Orcus on Feb 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
'behind the us'-heh heh.
oh, and rec’d.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gay marriage is legal in Brazil, right?
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
not quite
but almost there, gay people that live together for a certain period of time get the same rights as if they were married (which is actually the same for straight people, they just made it equal to the gay community as well), but as far as official marriage we’re still working on that.
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by Orcus on Feb 28, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, ok
Thanks! Learn new things every day.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Rio de Janeiro, Tel Aviv, and San Francisco are about equal in terms of gayness, with the former two still having more gay rights.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know
but I just mean in terms of thriving gay culture that I have witnessed, i.e., social acceptance vs. legal acceptance. (I’m in Rio now and was surprised to find out it was more or less equivalent to those other two, even though I knew about the legal rights.)
although I think lolumad’s point maybe had more to do with religion/catholicism?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
as far as religious nutjobs
I think both the US and Brazil are kind of on the same bar there :p
the number of catholics in Brazil is dropping quite fast though, evangelists are taking over the new generation.
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Evangelists as in evangelicalism? “Evangelists” can be Catholic if they are actively attempting to convert people to the Christian faith.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
True story
John Paul II propagated the New Evangelization among the Catholic Youth. Along with taking down the Soviet Union with Rocky Balboa that was the major claim of his papacy. Some of this is not entirely true. Guess which parts.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
wait.
…are you telling me that Rocky DIDN’T take down the Soviet Union? HERESY
I'd rather be trollin'.
Rocky, Reagan and the Pope
That is what I assumed growing up.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
The stories of his outdoor masses from my relatives in Poland give me chills just remembering.
Learn something new everday.
In social sciences at least
Evangelical christians are protestant by operational definition, and in fact many actually object in conversation to the description of Catholics as Christians. They maintain that they are christians and that Catholics are Catholics. Crazy huh. But the evangelical movement is a protestant-based movement that grew out of the advent of evangelizing on TV. The movement was sort of the result of the split where left leaning christian activists separated their political activism from their religious beliefs, which is why the religious left is not so prominent in politics anymore. I think this all happened around the 50’s. I attended a few lectures at UCB about the separation of the religious left and right and its causes, but it was several years ago.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I refer to myself as a Catholic Christian
I love God as much as Benson Henderson does. Also I really doubt Jesus is Jon Jones #1 fan.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Just Catholic for me.
I think that Evangelical and Catholic are no less Christian than Protestant, but that’s just the way I see it.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 12:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You are apparently conflating your personal beliefs
With what are terms for a social-historical movement. Furthermore, I do not share those beliefs. I do not support their beliefs. I find the thought that Catholics, the original christians, are not considered to be true christians to be repugnant and hate based, which is actually how I feel about the current “christianist” movement. To understand that term better, read Andrew Sullivan for a while, a very popular conservative catholic blogger. Finally, I am an agnostic, so It’s all just cultural studies to me. Again, I was describing terms used in a historical process, not my feelings, thoughts, or beliefs. Nor am I trying to tell you how to describe yourself.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Should probably avoid religious discussions...
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Focus on the things at hand: pornography and homosexuality
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
It is a cultural discussion
at least as far as DankNabbot is concerned
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not necessarily saying you two are doing anything wrong...
But 9 times out of 10 a civil discussion on here that relates to religion turns into a pissing contest or people being jackasses to each other… I think it’s actually against the rules to discuss religion and politics here for that reason.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are right
We will stop. Although every time I have seen religion and politics discussed here it is highly civil. Hence why I love BE.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Understood
Sorry guys.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 1:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I will bow out of this.
I apologize to those offended by this discussion. I understand and acknowledge that having your religious beliefs be treated as history, social science, or as a subject for analysis is not pleasant or agreeable for some. I respect your opinions though I may disagree with some of them.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Well just speaking for myself
I am not offended. At my extremely religious Catholic University, we have courses on exactly what you are discussing.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Andy
And I read your comments and was less worried about you but the community at large. I enjoy good discussion on these topics and feel they relate to all aspects of social life including my beloved MMA but I understand that there is a spectrum of views here and don’t want anyone to feel marginalized. BTW, if you don’t already, Andrew Sullivan is a pretty great political writer who is also a catholic conservative and is a good read.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Oh yeah
I have heard of him
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
whatevs, homes
If I weren’t on mobile I’d have a hand extended for a shake. Everything’s very cool, bro.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with almost everything you just said
I think that if you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and adhere to the belief that he is the living son of God, died for the sins of mankind, and rose from the dead on the third day then you are a Christian. Protestants and Catholics all believe these things. But I don’t want to get into a religious discussion, I just appreciate that you understand the topic in general.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
i’d really put this more on the side of age or upbringing than just nationality.
these discrepancies can be seen in any country.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Brent mentioned it above
He isn’t necessarily a homosexual if he’s doing gay porn. It’s pretty common for straight guys to star in gay porn as the money is far greater than in guy/girl. The only guys who really make money in straight porn are on the level of Evan Stone. Basically male talent in guy/girl are usually seen as props so they are paid as such.
In gay porn a guy can make upwards of $5000 a shoot. Sure you have to get over the fact that the person giving you oral sex is a guy and the person you are having sex with is a guy, but the money is better doing guy/guy.
Now, does the UFC fire him over this? I think it would be hypocritical if they didn’t to be honest. They released Chandella because of her porn past. If they keep him around that would show they are okay with fighters (who they make money on) having a sleazy past but not a ring girl who has no ROI (return on investment).
by Matthew Roth on Feb 28, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
they released chandella?
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's so dumb. They're paid to be eye candy. They don't represent anything prestigious about the sport.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
They’re still contractors of the company, the same way that the fighters are. Plus I’d argue that they’re more recognizable w/ the UFC brand than 2/3 of the fighters currently on the roster
by Cameron Gidari on Feb 28, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see how the media learning that a ring girl once performed as an adult entertainer would hurt their organization. Especially when natasha was a go-go dancer, and the other 2 ring girls have posed in Playboy while under contract with Zuffa.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone keep making a point to say he might not be gay?
Seems irrelevant. His actual orientation isn’t the issue, it’s that he was banging guys on camera.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Why is that an issue?
Because it was guys? if so why?
If it was just that he was having sex on camera, why specify?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think anyone offended by him fucking guys
is going to be ok with it if he says it was just for the money? It’s the act that people will take issue with. Whether he enjoyed it or not is irrelevant.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
There’s just a big difference between him being gay or just having been a gay porn star. That’s all. And that’s important since people are already treating him like some flag carrier for gay rights..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Huh. That's odd.
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by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
If people are offended by him banging dudes, oh well. I don’t see the issue. He’s fighting someone in a cage. I suppose we should exile Islamic fighters because somebody in the UFC is offended he has to share a cage with a man of Islamic faith.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not defending people offended by it.
The repeated distinction is just strange to me. Doesn’t seem to be an important part of the story. Would this be any more/less acceptable if he was gay? Do we judge him differently for presumably being a straight guy? I would think that it’s no on both counts.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Because people are going to jump in and try to label him as “First successful openly gay MMAist” if he does well, and at this point from what we’ve heard, he could just be a money-hungry dude that does things he normally wouldn’t because there’s a profit.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe people shouldn’t get so offended about what other people do, when it doesn’t affect them. Not specifically you, just responding to the generic group of people you mention.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
The fact he was involved with it is the point
You cant release chandella and then not release this guy, unless it was the fact that she didnt disclose her past and he did
War Machine is still getting fights, despite his porn career
Doesn’t seem fair to punish this guy for doing porn.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 28, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
not me man, like i said, let's call a spade a spade
but i do agree that his sexual orientation is irrelevant, it’s his other job that’s probably going to get him out the tuf house
I thought they kept her on, but considered releasing her. Crazy if they did, especially considering that Arianny and Brittany Palmer did/ are doing Playboy, which is pretty much softcore porn
by Cameron Gidari on Feb 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they fired her because of the porn. I think they fired her because she didn’t disclose it.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
unless
he was upfront with them about it and she wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s the case, just throwing it out there.
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Matt
If they knew prior to signing him to TUF-which it seems likely they did as it had been mentioned before- I doubt they would release him.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I’ve gotta say, I’m really impressed with the comments on this story. MMA fans get a pretty bad rap as homophobic chest-thumpers, so to see so many people saying, ‘who cares? Let him fight,’ is really cool.
The funny thing is, he might not even be gay. Apparently gay porn is like the entry level for male porn stars, and some keep doing it because it pays well.
by Cameron Gidari on Feb 28, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions
I mean, I really hope people have better things to do than try to label the guy.
One day, he’ll probably say something about whether he’s gay. Until then, my Pokemon Red game won’t beat itself.
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by SanFranpsycho on Feb 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
That, my friend, is why you NEED a moderated comment section
Thanks to BE for keeping a high threshold. But if you want to be disappointed in homo sapiens again, go to underground or other non moderated sites.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love how they say the porn performers were "outed" as MMA fighters
lol, these dirty secrets yo
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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Feb 28, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I hope one other guy on this show is a homophobe
And Cochrane beats the crap out of him in the cage.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
KOS VS Semtex
go back to what Semtex said Prefight to KOS and what a great buildup was then to that fight.
What goes around Comes around.
This has followed Dakota around for most of his most recent fights because he was outed last year. It might not be common knowledge to casual fans, but it’s been common knowledge to those following the regional scene.
I wouldn’t put it past Joe Silva and Dana White to be ignorant to this though, they don’t seem to do their research when it comes to some of these guys. But this has been a story that’s been around Dakota for quite awhile. It would shock me if they suddenly cut him from the show because of it.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 28, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dana knows for sure.
Dana have nothing to lose by making him in the TUF teams , if he win he got some thing to say to those criticizing him for Loretta Hunt comments.
and if he loses he say he is not anti gays and he gave him his chance like any body else.
What goes around Comes around.
By outed, you mean people learned of his past career choices?
Or in regards to his sexuality? That word keeps confusing me.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
We don't even know if he is going to get into the house
This might not be an issue at all.
by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
why would you be shocked that he gets cut for acting in gay porn?
they released chandella for the pics taken a decade ago
Ok?
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kinda thought this was well-known, but i guess not.
dude is a beast though. beat the tar out of Varner. did a Browser Crasher back in October and giffed the hell out of that great fight.
by Grappo on Feb 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Cochrane is a solid fighter, makes a good addition to the house.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 28, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
At least now Varner has a good excuse for his loss
He had a bad case of homophobia and tried to run away
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Thats a nice front kick he lands while running forward.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I'm more concerned because people in porn seem to always be a little crazy
But, that might lead to more TUF crazy fun this season!
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It’s him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The article posted above had at lease one picture that would be hard for him to deny.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
And this is a story why?
He’s on TUF for his fighting skills and attributes not for what he’s done in a previous career.
To be honest, I don’t think it’s a story….UNLESS there is some sort of fallout (being released, it being used against him on TUF..etc)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
My name isn’t on the byline there.
Nate disagreed that it isn’t a story, he ran it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
I agree w/ your point that this is a non-story unless something comes of it.
To be clear, I don’t think it was a horrible thing to run or anything on Nate’s part. Just that it’s not exactly news of any importance.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah let's pretend a fighter doing porn isn't a story
if Ronda Rousey would have done porn it would be a big story too, porn always is. In Dakota’s case it’s gay porn which makes it even more delicate because being gay is a highly charged political issue. It shouldn’t be (my opinion) but it is and I don’t know if the UFC should risk getting dragged into a potential minefield
It's obviously a topic that people seem to be enjoying discussing.
So I’m going to go with it being good for the site.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yes this is a story, come on.
Because you know that in the crockpot of the TUF house this will be a fulcrum of conflict. Those guys can’t escape each other, and I am sure some hard core conservative or christianist – and there are a lot of those in the UFC these days- is gonna make a really big deal out of it. I’d love it if they didn’t, but remember that TUF is a REALITY TV SHOW. That’s not a place for reasoned dialogue and good faith argument a la Habermas.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I am going to address your reply in seriousness and with respect
I acknowledge that of course many gay people have been on reality TV- of course. However, I submit that the format and context of professional sports as well as mma and it’s fairly outspoken segment of conservative and christians provides a particularly challenging atmosphere for a person who has transgressed traditional heteronormative boundaries.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Does a person being gay or "transgressed traditional heteronormative boundaries"
have any impact on how well a person fights?
very few of your comments are making any sense at all today.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see why your question relates to mine.
I believe that the TUF is both a fight tournament style entertainment program as well as a reality tv show a la big brother. My point is that it is very possible that there is a particularly charged atmosphere which makes his time on the show exceptionally difficult and possibly exposes him to nasty personal attacks. I think this qualifies it as a story. I am not addressing your seemingly banal binary choice in which the only relevance to anyone is whether or not he can fight. I want him to be on the show both for his fighting ability and as a step forward, however incrementally, in the normalization of homosexuality and otherness of sexuality as in the case of gay-for-pay. So I do have an agenda. But I believe you are trying to create some conflict between us and I don’t really understand why. I don’t believe that the only qualifier on someone’s newsworthiness is whether or not they can fight. other things are relevant for discussion.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Maybe he doesn't wanna be seen as the face of "gay fighters" (whether he is or not))
Maybe he would rather be recognized for being a great fighter instead of a great “gay” fighter.
TUF is a competition to determine who is the best fighter of the 16 competitors who cares what their background is. To be honest if he makes it on the show, I hope he steps up and says “yeah it happened, I did what I had to do to get by and now I’ve moved on and I’m here to show what I can do” or something like that.
I think you and I agre on most everything but whether or not this is worth talking about.
Because I seem to agree with what you are saying almost completely, so could you restate you objection, if any, to what I am saying? Please do it in a direct statement because I don’t know what we are arguing about. :) But I like your point of view.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
This is a non-story as Brent replied to me earlier
UNLESS there is some sort of fallout b/c of it.
Only if they use "forbidden sexual technologies."
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I put that phrase into google
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Other than Roth mentioning it above, I hadn't seen anything about Chandella being released.
But she was mysteriously missing from the Japan event…
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
True, I don't pay that much attention to them, I just remember it mentioned in the live thread.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer was in Brazil
Not sure why, but I met her in Omaha and asked if she was going to Japan and she said she was going to Brazil instead.
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Probably to record TUF Brazil
The usually use ring girls on TUF, right?
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Mollcutpurse
Said she was in Brazil. She’s female. Ergo, Mollcutpurse is Palmer.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 29, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just saying that if they cut Cochrane because of this they would have to fire Chandella since they both were involved in “adult entertainment,” otherwise it would just come off as anti-gay.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Unless it dealt with them releasing the information prior, yeah.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
she's not on the octagon girl page
http://www.ufc.com/octagonGirl
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
wow, lame.
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According to UFC.com
http://www.ufc.com/octagonGirl
There are 3 Octagon Girls:
Arianny Celeste
Rachelle Leah
Brittney Palmer
Rachelle Leah hasn’t been in there for awhile right? I could be mistaken.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
doesnt she do hosting/tv stuff?
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
She did, but I don't know if that show's even around now with all the Fuel coverage.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sure she did, but how does that make her a current “Octagon girl”?
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
so she doesn't do anything anymore?
I figured they just threw her under that page
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Cochrane vs. Dennis Hallman in his banana hammock
Dana White and Big Nog as guest commentators.
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by T.C. Engel on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's one of those thigns that just irks me
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It drives me crazy.
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ah, yes.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You weren't the only one
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Didn't Carlin touch on this?
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now there’s a sentence that could be misinterpreted…
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I just want to know who was able to make the connection and instantly recognized him.
that is all.
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There is definitely some crossover. I know people who enjoy both.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Article says “porn blogs,” so it was probably a user(s) on a porn blog.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
He guys. He won nine wins. Good writing on that there blog.
But seriously folks, he’s got a girlfriend it seems? This should remind people that a great deal of “gay” male porn stars are gay-for-pay. Not that any of that matters. I have some downloading to do.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions
So just out of curiosity, I wonder how the reaction would be
If today (HYPOTHETICALLY) we found out either Tate or Rousey did lesbian porn. I think the banhammer would get sore.
I really don’t care what Cochrane did in his past life as long as he doesn’t pull that off in the house (and I doubt he does). What is going to be a concern is that with TUF live you have to assume the rest of the cast members know this. The editors will be hard at work as long as he’s in the show.
Also, Cochrane beat Jamie Varner badly, so he’s cool in my book.
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Pull what off at the house? Are you implying he's going to set up a movie shoot?
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The Mazzagatti porn stache is back, baby.
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I assume since the info is out there now, the UFC will probably discuss things with the fighters before hand about not being homophobic, and edit out anything in the worst case scenario that someone does call him out for it in an insulting way.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is
It will be edited out if anything does happen, but you know worst case scenario is that Cochrane reveals any potential homophobic or offensive remarks towards him during the show, and it’ll look like “The UFC edited this out” to the public.
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The way the show works is the fights are live
The stuff that happens in between fights (house stuff, training, etc) will be edited and formed in a package to show drama spots, background of the guys who are fighting next, etc.
They will be able to tailor that footage anyway they want to make it seem one way or another.
I’m glad they didn’t choose Chael to coach this season.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He'd be very uncomfortably when Cochrane triangle chokes him.....
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have no pitty for homophobes rolling with gay grapplers
they are made uneasy because the person might be sexually attracted to them… how do they think women who are starting out in jiu jitsu, wrestling or MMA feel? if they can get over it so can Chael and Nog.
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by T.P. Grant on Feb 28, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think I could comfortably roll with a homophobe
I’m afraid their hate might get into my eyes, mouth or open cut and infect me.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
:(
Why did you have to take the serious route towards by Chael Sonnen sub defense mocking? ;)
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think FX is more likely to kick him off the show than the UFC. I personally have no problem with this and wish the best of luck. However if Cochrane’s past became widely known it might affect the show’s ability to sell its ad inventory.
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by MattParker117 on Feb 28, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If it were an ABC station they'd give him his own sitcom.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Because in the age of reality TV the casts are filled with great human beings?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
See: Junie Browning
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
fair point
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by MattParker117 on Feb 28, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more interested to see if anybody will object to fighting him
Big Nog has gone on record of saying he doesn’t roll or train with gay people, and I’m sure he’s not the only one who feels this way. What would the UFC do to a fighter who refuses to fight another fighter because of this?
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by bcpjkell on Feb 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You do realize he's not necessarily gay, right?
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gay for pay.
Like many many male porn starts who do same sex work.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once you've been tainted by the porn industry, there's no escaping it.
The same goes for Pro Wrestling.
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by KJ Gould on Feb 28, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ask Ken Shamrock.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I'm only paraphrasing what Paul Heyman once said.
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i don't see how he's not
a straight person doesn’t have gay sex voluntarily
I think the only grounds for UFC firing him
Is if there’s something in contracts about not disclosing information like past jobs and careers. I think that’s what Chandella was fired over.
They could fire him for ‘lying’ to them if he didn’t disclose.
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I wouldn’t personally choose to cut him, but it’s understandable if the UFC wants to avoid employing a certain type of person. I’m not sure if Chandella is cut or not, but they should definitely hold their fighters to a higher standard than their ring girls.
Well, they currently employ a 'roiding alcoholic in Leben
And a convicted felon in Sonnen.
So gay porn in a past life shouldn’t really deter them too much as long as he fights well.
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since this is a new fighter acquired after the Fox deal they may choose to raise the bar, but not in a retroactive sense. They put a lot of resources into Chris Leben and Chael Sonnen. Dakota? They could quietly sweep him and any future questionables under the rug with no fuss whatsoever.
Again. I don’t think they should cut him from the show.
They put a guy with multiple DUI’s including one where he ran from the cops at over 100MPH and was lucky he didn’t kill someone on the first FX card in the co-main event.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and the co-main of the last card
Did a hit-and-run while under the UFC banner.
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
An investigation later determined that the crash did not cause Griggs to miscarry
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/3/1455976/rampage-jackson-miscarriage
When you say it the way you did, it insinuates that Rampage caused a miscarriage.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Is what I wrote wrong? Nope. He almost ran her over, and she eventually lost her baby. The two may or may not be related, who knows… but the two are true on their own.
I added that so that other people who hadn’t heard about the situation until now didn’t read your comment and assume he caused a miscarriage.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Having suffered a miscarriage with my wife I’ll say this. Ask a doctor what caused it and they are going to tell you that they have no clue whatsoever. They happen for all sorts of reasons and there is essentially no way to avoid it if it is going to happen.
Ask a hundred doctors if his actions caused it and I’ll doubt any of them will say that it did. I also doubt though that any of them would rule it out as being extremely reasonable that it might have.
Rampage might have been cleared by some sort of investigation, but there is no proof that his actions didn’t kill that unborn child.
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 28, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. It’s a rough damn time for everybody involved and I honestly hope nobody here ever has to be involved with one. It has taken a year and a half now for us to start talking about trying for another.
It’s frustrating to see people say that Rampage was cleared is all. There was no evidence proving one way or the other, but that is the norm for a miscarriage. That isn’t being cleared, it is simply not being able to prove innocence or guilt.
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 28, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but if people are going to make statements that basically blame Rampage for it, I’m going to show the other side of the spectrum so people can make up their own decisions.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 29, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
yup
plenty of fighters have actually done illegal things, endangered innocent people. To fire him over this would be beyond hypocritical.
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by merryprankster on Feb 28, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course all those criminal acts are far worse than being gay
but that’s not the problem. The issue is the potential political implications, do you really want TUF to become a battle ground for people with political agendas The UFC should really think carefully about what they do next, the whole thing has pr nightmare written all over it
They have others with a criminal past. If he disclosed it, he shouldn’t be any different.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Understandable
I don’t think it has anything to do with what type of porn he was in, but I can see how it might be a problem from a publicity standpoint to have a porn star working for you on national TV. I could care less about it as I’m sure is the same with 99.9% of fans, but it’s the UFC’s product, so I guess it’s their choice. Filming porn, gay or straight, means that some employers may rightfully choose not to employ you later on. Hopefully, for him, this doesn’t become an issue, but this is a significant blip on a resume considering how little money he probably made for it.
by mooseknuckle on Feb 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how religious people
would frown on the bad moral compass of people associated with pornography let alone gay porn & fighting…by the way all for money LOL!
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by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app reply actions
not all religious people "frown" at those things
Religious people who hate gays and are up in arms about porn are a very visible minority. Similar to how not all Muslims are terrorists and not all gay men have lisps.
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Not going to add to much to this
Other than there is a scale and the ones you seem to be referring to are the “God hates fags” crowd and you are absolutely right, a very visible minority. However, in general, homosexuality is frowned upon by (Christian) churches. Just not all of them are hate mongering assholes.
Hate the sin, love the person? I don’t subscribe to it but that’s how my mom is… lol
by FightFansRadio on Feb 28, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who is this?
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 28, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
what did he do then? or why are they similar?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
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by RolloTomasi on Feb 28, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
THIS...
BAHAHAHAHA***
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just noticed the irony...
The article is about gay porn & MMA…and you have Nick Ring (gay suspect) on Team Ortiz whom Tito is married to a porn star who did many gay scenes (Jenna Jameson) & is supposedly NOT gay? Tito has been cleared to fight without any issues…So maybe we should ask Jenna about men & gay porn starters on Twitter…Damn the dots are connecting like a motherfucker.
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The man fights and fucks for a living.
That’s a badass right there.
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by pdl on Feb 28, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
The toughest guy on earth who shares a name with a child actress
Unless the God of Thunder counts.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is she a mess yet? If she's not doing needle drugs she's way behind the Hollywood curve.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
She doesn't look like a mess..... yet
She’s only a year younger than me, so I’d still get with it.
by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck to you.
Protip: Don’t use that username when you contact her
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha.
I know right? Who the fuck likes disco anyway?
by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not me
what is that mess anyway?
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
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There is no cure for disco fever, but Valtrex can help suppress outbreaks
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
those fucking commercials make herpes look fun.
they all be hiking and shit.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's going to be my sig
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by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
can’t take all the credit for that, some dude in a stand-up routine came up with it. i just jazzed it up some.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for giving credit where credit is due
even if you couldn’t name the guy
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
not a Lindsay Lohan type
she’s been making some decent movies like PUSH (sci fi) and THE RUNAWAYS (rock n roll band movie about Joan Jett’s first band) in recent years
party on
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by Empty Thoughts on Feb 28, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a lover and a fighter
StevenGiles is a huge MMA fan and also happens to be the best person in the world. He is also hugely pretentious and loves to have sigs that make a lame effort at exaggerating his own importance
Sounds like a episode of LOCKUP.
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sounds like a Hank III song
Punch, Fight, Fuck.
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And presumably he's not a jerk, or really crazy.
Which is an improvement.
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in this day and age there is no such thing as a "hidden past"
the internet is a hell of a dru…thing
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by gxc on Feb 28, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You can easily hide your past… if it’s not on video.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
or do not create an enemy of Anonymous
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY...
Google your real name & your tag name on here will be next to it with all of your disturbing comments exploiting the real you should you end up under legal scrutiny.
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not it won’t
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what the middle eastern 10% owners of Zuffa would make of this?
Is Sheikh Tahnoon a tolerant man?
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He’s probably so busy that even if he heard about this he wouldn’t have time to care.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think if UFC go to the extent of airbrushing out Dan Hardy's Tibetan tattoo
On a promotional poster jJust to make their new Chinese customers happy (without researching whether of not that tattoo was actually offensive – it wasn’t), it wouldn’t surprise me to see them make rash decisions in other areas if money comes into the equation.
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The mainstream sponsor reaction will be more interesting...
Playboy, nudity in legit TV/movies are accepted. I can see some of the big sponsors not wanting a “porn” star involved in any way shape or form with their product.
I am not supporting it if sponsors went crazy, but it’s a realistic possiblity.
by ChicagoMMAFan on Feb 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
ITS ALL DOES NOT MATTER
UFC is about fighting .. and if this guy can fight .. lets see his skills i think there is no one perfect any how. and what’s perfect ?
What goes around Comes around.
No he is not, that was Chris Benoit
This man right there is Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig
Benoit didn't shoot anyone
Benoit was Bare hands and Bowflex.
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by KJ Gould on Feb 28, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
After the asshole went psycho he finished by hanging himself from his bowflex
Allez les Glorieux!
by monkeystyle on Feb 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
he maxed the weight on the boflex..put a rope around it and let the weight go..hung
Whimmy wham wham wozzle
It's one of the saddest stories ever
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well that ended up grim. Sorry guys didn’t mean to be a downer.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's terrifying
It’s like some fucked up horror movie.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't further tests show Benoit had depression
And other mental issues as a result of steroid use?
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was the perfect storm of mental illness, PEDs and stress
I think the WWE tried to blame it on chain shots.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
chair*
damn fingers/bad brain (not band)
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
Unprotected chair shots to the head, plus that idiot diving headbutt he did every single night played a huge factor regarding his brain damage.
Allez les Glorieux!
by monkeystyle on Feb 28, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
The things people do for money :(
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Killed a lot of my love for wrestling when that happened.
I still watch and it’s definitely improved in terms of safety but there are still a lot of things that are just stupid.
A lot of the indie feds still don’t bother stopping their guys from taking unprotected chair shots to the head and that just pisses me off.
Allez les Glorieux!
by monkeystyle on Feb 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Unprotected chair shots to the back of the head...
He was one of the few wrestlers who would take them. Its just crazy thinking about it when you realise how dangerous strikes to the back of the head are.
Just remembering this whole episode makes me sad too, my love for wrestling pretty much died after this.
Like what?...gay porn?
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The tests apparently showed that
he had a brain that resembled an 80 year old alzheimer’s patient. He had sever damage to all 4 lobes.
On the night in question he had also been drinking and there was evidence of stiff painkiller use as well.
None of that really matters though, nothing exonerates him.
Allez les Glorieux!
by monkeystyle on Feb 28, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing exonerates him...
but it clearly shows diminished capacity. The fact that he was able to function at all is frightening with what the brain scan. I honestly have never seen a scan that fucked up on someone who was living on their own. His violent actions are actually quite similar to Alzheimer’s patients except they don’t have the ability to kill as typically they are old.
What bothers me is that there is no way that he wasn’t displaying problem behavior before this event. Concussions are nothing to fuck about with.
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by UMBC Oriole fan on Feb 28, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's "hanged" not "hung"
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Finished his wife via alarm clock though
…And my bus to Hell is here.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Are there pictures of this? I’ve been afraid to look.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
I don’t want to look though, especially because his son might be in one.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Such a sad story. God damn. Pro wrestling is such a perverse business behind the curtain.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah yeah I know but I didn't wanna paint the gruesome picture like everyone else had no problem doing
but sadly enough Mr. Perfect is gone as well.
benoit didnt shoot his family..he choked them to death then hungh himself
sorry to be grim but its facts
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He was a WWF guy; left right before the brand change.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
COCAINE IS A TERRIBLE DRUG
to do alone in a hotel room of Brandon, FL in 2003…just saying.
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i love you, you magnifecent Dutch bastard.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
WHY ?
Keep asking why how when what you mean????
are you just pushing for some one to get ban :)
What goes around Comes around.
Guess it gives another meaning to
he’s got the back right here joe, looking for the finish
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by inthepipes on Feb 28, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
“He’s taking some hard shots to the face”
“He’s looking for a quick way to finnish this”
“He got both hooks in”
Everything will be funny in this guys matches.
by blodpalt on Feb 28, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OH! HE'S HURT!
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
This is how much I care:
On a sidenote: Dakota Cochrane is a really porn-sounding name, and this thing seems really coincidental given that the guy did porn himself.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sally Fields?
Man, she was super hot back in the day. And classy.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
She's pretty nice looking today
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by SSreporters on Feb 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
She’s no Meryl, but still.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Meryl Streep?
Streep had nothing on Sally Fields, man. Mind you, Streep is super talented, but she was never super hot, or super cute, was she?
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
gravitas is sexy
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Looked around. Ms. Streep really wasn't one to show teh skin in her younger years. Fields, on the other hand, did some pict taking here and there.
Fields wins by virtue of lack of material for comparison.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 28, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Huh. Not bad, dude.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I bet he will not be cut
Regardless if the decision to cut him was just based of his involvement in porn, many would assume the cut was a result to his homosexual actions causing a major back lash from special interest groups which could hurt the UFC image and bottom line. This and the Chandella incident will probably set the precedent that the UFC should should not take action on incidents from the past which are perfectly legal.
I'm more offended by his name
He should look into changing that.
by eyeIess on Feb 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He should change it to Dolph Ziggler.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sad thing.
Exposé on corruption in one of the biggest promotions in history. Only 16 comments
Fighter does dudes on film. Over 300 comments and counting.
by Steve W on Feb 28, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You can't even watch the video talking about corruption in Pride
Spike took it down for some reason. Sad Thing.
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
^This
Hard to discuss what you can’t watch.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Out of the "over 300 comments" this is probably the 2nd most worthless one^^^
Congratulations you win my scorn!
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
What is the most worthless one?
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
szanpan's "im really disgusted"
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
it doesn’t even make sense. im very conservative, and i really don’t care. i do think his past profession could be an issue but whatever
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the sentiment.
As long as you follow the golden rule in life (don’t be a dick) I really don’t care what you do.
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by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
That is the perfect golden rule for life
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuck in texas
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That was just bad. Poor girl had no chance here.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
So is she banned now? I missed that. What a worthless thing to say.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
szanpan got banhammered!?!!?
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We suspect so.. at least her comment got deleted, and we haven't seen her since.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
SHIT
Well.. Someone has to make up for her, right LOL :D:D:D:D:D:D
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Yes! I was more upset with her break from character than anything else.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It almost shocked me. I had assumed her rant about racial language in the Jeremy Lin thread was due to being a non-American, and how sensitive we can be about these types of things. I mean our ancestors did some dumb stuff, and we don’t take kindly to people behaving in that manner, and I thought she just didn’t understand the cultural and historical background.
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
europeans have all kinds of seriously fucked up racial history
her comments there were inexcusable, as were her comments here. (not saying you are claiming the opposite, just that I personally find it impossible to be forgiving or understanding in either situation.)
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, shit, I missed those too.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh ok
Maybe she didn’t understand the slurs impact as english could and probably is a second language?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
wow.did she cry?
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by gspmademegay on Feb 28, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think this post outed you as a complete neanderthal and troll.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
it was a reply that went wrong
and i did it again …i keep missing the reply thing.
btw.. DON’T GO OVER YOUR HEAD.
What goes around Comes around.
But then we wouldn't have ketchup hulk with the power to brake(sic) faces in both hands
It’s a tradeoff
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or mmaintellegence in general
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
isn’t the lack of editing how we got ’let’s mutherfukers’ and that F.U.B.A.R post about Rampage at that club?
i say we keep this as is.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
At BE your shame lives forever
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LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve seen people say that, where’d that come from?
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
SBNation controls that stuff.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dude…I don’t care about your reply fails. I care that you called Lodune Sincaid “gay” for his behavior on his stint on TUF. Facetiously calling someone gay hasn’t been funny since middle school.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*Nor should it have been then either, but just making a point as to how sophomoric that is.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh .. i was not following that.
sorry if i did .. i thought he was . i did not know that he is not .
bashing fighters is what i don’t wanna do .
i would delete that comment if i could
What goes around Comes around.
Well, if you don’t know, now you know, (redacted)!
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all good. No one can keep track of others’ comments unless there’s a VERY consistent theme to them, like psychoblack or Subo.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What did Dave Chappelle say?
“Just cause I am dressed like a police officer, doesn’t mean I am one…”
by fallenidol2012 on Feb 28, 2012 6:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
oh it was a reply that went wrong
not a troll at all……….. don’t go over your head .
What goes around Comes around.
As someone who enjoys trashy reality-TV, this is a pretty great situation. Former gay pornstar who is also a bad-ass cagefighter? SOLD! Definitely going to bring some more eyes to the show. Should be fun.
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YES!!!
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I haven’t really seen the US versions, no. But we do have a fairly popular series based on it here in Sweden, called “Swedish Hollywood wives”. Basically it’s stupid blond trophy wifes who now live in Hollywood, spending their husbands cash. It’s pretty fun :)
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds AMAZING.
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by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I have not! Might have to try it out now.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Its the trashiest women in the world
Grouped together in the house.
They bite, punch, pull each other’s hair, and engage in general jackassery. Its…wonderful.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds pretty awesome actually! Just check out any season, like the newest?
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
well honestly, I've only seen the newest season (8)
But in 3 episodes, I’ve seen multiple fights, shit being thrown in the pool, nonstop callings of “bitch” or “bitch you mad?” or “gonna have to hit a bitch” and “that bitch is fake”.
A new girl came into the house and they opened her suitcase and poured a whole thing of ketchup, mustard, and thousand island dressing. “Bitch got a tossed salad!”
Also they’re all whores, so that’s cool. Did I forget to mention that?
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
man after typing that I can't wait to go home and watch it.
I love trashy tv.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. Yeah that sounds great! I’ll definitely check it out.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
He may not even be gay
A lot of gay performers are actually straight guys who need the money. They often perform solo masturbation scenes or at most be the recipient of oral sex.
Regarding the potential health risks that he could bring into the cage because he was a porn performer, i think those risks are already there today. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a significant number of straight MMA fighters who have promiscuous unprotected sex. I bet most of them have had or still have sex with hookers. I think everyone regardless of sexual orientation and history needs to be tested diligently for STDs and other health risks.
If Dakota is in fact gay (again, not all gay performers are actually gay), then it would be a great progressive development for MMA.
This has already been covered. Apparently he has a wife and kid, so he’s assumed to be “gay for pay”.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
In a way, that’s disappointing because having diversity is good for the sport.
lol I felt the same way to a degree.
Personally, I think DFW is the best suited of all sports commissioners to deal with a gay athlete. Because he will fucking truck everyone who disagrees with him.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
This topic came up a long time ago...
And it turns out, there’s really not that many LGBT people involved in any of the major American sports…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lesbian,gay,bisexual,_and_transgender_sportspeople
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing all of those pro wrestlers on there is sad in the sense that those guys take a major ribbing from everyone. Pat Patterson was always made fun of in a tongue-in-cheek manner by J.R. on-air.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I was too young at the time to even notice.
I guess J.R. kinda deserves some of the insults about his cerebral palsy, from a karma standpoint then.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I deserve them
I am a really a-hole sometimes
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, now I feel like a dick for forgetting that from your twitter page.
Is it something that still affects you these days.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Learning striking is getting tedious but it is coming along, BJJ is coming along easier than I thought though. It will probably be near a year before I am ready to take a fight.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha. I've never really known much about the condition...
I’m pretty ignorant about medical knowledge in general, and I’ve never known anyone afflicted by the condition.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
It makes strength, flexibility and coordination more difficult
I lucked out in that it is mild for me, and I have a non-spastic type, and only affect the right side of my body, so I just have to work harder to get good at this MMA thing
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
you have Team BloodyElbow on yourside.
you can demolish walls with your cock if want to with that kind of power.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
I really can’t see the practical use of this in relation to a MMA career but if I need to, then good to know.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
using my college education sounds more fun
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 29, 2012 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not really sure if Pat Patterson had a problem with it or whether he gave the go-ahead, but it shouldn’t have been done out of good taste.
Also, apparently good ol’ J.R. is not exactly squeaky clean. He just has the power to wipe away anything that is on his slate. He supposedly got accused of sexual harassment by Terri Runnels…but she is pretty nefarious as well.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Something about him always seemed sketchy to me.
But I have always wanted to try his BBQ sauce.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah…takes a really crazy person to get into that business. And if you aren’t crazy going in, you’ll be crazy going out.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
A bunch of my family used to live there.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah i'm just finishing up school now
I love it here but some of the people can be shitty
I had zero idea that Liz Carmouche was lesbian.
How about that.
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by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone in the porn industry
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if it´s your sexuall preference I get it
I would never do it but I can somewhat understand it, if you are selling your body against your sexuall orientation my understanding stops right there
Maybe for him
Sexual orientation isn’t a binary choice between men and women. There are plenty of people who are attracted to both in varying degrees.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
recced for rightness
just because we have a label for something doesn’t mean that the label is the reality. It’s just a sign for something we see in the world and try to understand through language. Sexual preference, straight, gay, bi, these are all words used to describe the phenomenon, not the phenomenon itself. The reality is more complicated.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
we are talking about gay for pay
bi – sexuall by definition means your attracted to both sexes, so you are not going against your sexuall orientation, but if you are straight and you are taking it up the butt for money than I don’t understand you. Like I said before I rather go homeless
There's so much wrong with this statement
We have no idea – none – whether Cochrane felt any attraction to the men he had sex with. The fact that he was paid for it doesn’t give us any more information either way; ever consider the possibility that male pornstars acting in heterosexual scenes might not be attracted to their sexual partners, but did it because they needed an immediate paycheck? You’d rather go homeless and hungry, that’s wonderful for you, but I’m willing to bet a lot of people’s sexual preferences are malleable enough comfortably accommodate a little ambiguity.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 28, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You are missing the point I was trying to make anyways.
Which is that you, feiwongfu, have a word you are using- Bi-sexual- and you think that that word as you understand it is the reality out there in the world. But your understanding of what sexuality is is not some absolute fact, it isn’t that reality. It is a label you have to apply to the world. Just because you understand a definition of a word does not mean that that word is necessarily encompassing what Dakota feels in regards to his experiencing of his sexuality. Your implied position- that you can be gay, straight, or bi and that’s it, is a limited understanding of the reality of human sexual experience. Recent efforts to legitimize sexual “otherness” by equating it to a genetic expression are understandable as a tactic to get a foothold for acceptance, but is essentially a reductive view on sexuality that is easily understood and therefore tempting to use. Certainly, your genetics play some, perhaps a large role in how you experience your sexuality, but in fact at other times in human history and indeed in other cultures, sexuality is indeed NOT experienced the same way the majority of westerners envision it along some gay, straight, bi separation of categories.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
i’m surprised and slightly disappointed that the possibility of him being bisexual wasn’t really brought out like this until this far in the thread. it’s still speculatory until we get his side of the story – in the meantime, rec’d.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about a specific scenario
that may or may not be relating to Dakota. If you are straight and you are going gay for money, I can’t relate. Not if you are gay, not if your bi sexuall or if you have any kind of interest in homosexuality. Our sexuality however it is constructed is at the core of our identity and if you are willing to sell that out, you are willing to sell pretty much anything. It’s not the sexuall act that bothers me but the fact of doing anything for money
i understand
my statement was simply about how nobody had factored in the possibility of him being bisexual. i get the argument you’re making about selling out. perhaps the mindset of ‘if this person does x, they’ll do anything’ really applies to people on a case by case basis.
however, the argument of sexuality being the core of identity is not something i agree with.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
How could it not be at our core?
Not to say that sexuality is the only thing at our core, but it’s a very important part. I don’t think any psychiatrist would disagree with that notion
ok then. i thought you meant it was the only thing.
we can certainly agree on that.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
if it’s the sex for money that’s the problem, are you equally upset by prostitutes and other porn stars (including “faux lesbian” porn stars), or is it some kind of men faking gayness for cash that is specifically morally repugnant to you?
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
too much nuance, FH, too much nuance
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Orientation is an odd thing
There are some people who are attracted to femininity rather than females. They can’t get off on a woman who isn’t feminine but can if a guy is a convincing transexual.
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by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
we forget how varied and diverse us humans are so very often.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
FART
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uha9CPiHkec
by Bonedoctor on Feb 28, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i wonder if they've started filming the season yet
even if zuffa keeps this guy in the house..he might not last when actually in the house lol re: other fighters ragging him 24/7
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I'd assume no, since the debut on March 9th is people fighting to get in the house.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't start until March 9th
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's quasi-live this season
so they definitely haven’t started filming yet. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. I wouldn’t want to be “that guy” who is on the show insulting Cochrane for all the world to see. This MIGHT keep the trash talking at bay… for maybe a few weeks.
if he does get casted in the house
if they start making fun of him, it’ll look pretty bad for the sport.
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Unless it'd during a live fight, it wouldn't be aired.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder who the first one to call him out on it will be. I’ll take Cristiano Marcello.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Gay porn fighter?
big whoop. He probably did it for the money. And if he were gay, who gives a shit.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 28, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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his opinion means less to me than crust under a crackhead’s feet.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
There's a video of an English comedian about how having sex with a man is tough instead of "fruity"
It is hilarious but I don’t remember the name of the joke or comedian. So someone do the work for me and post it.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would just say, "Who cares?"
But that ignores the precedent set by the UFC with the Chandella situation. I still think it should be disregarded, but who knows how the UFC will respond.
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She didnt get fired, did she? She came out and apologized or her [ast, which she deoesnt have to. She did anyways.
People do dumb shit in their past. Whether its posing for some softcore porn of doing hardcore gay porn. I personally dont think any of it should matter.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 28, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Was there never a final word on that? I know the rumor was that she was fired.
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She has been removed from the UFC website :)
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
So Dana definitely knows...
Michael Mc @irishrebel311
Chandella is an ugly dog @danawhite but how can u fire her for what she did yet ur new cast of TUF has a gay pornstar? #DakotaCochrane
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@irishrebel311 go fuck ur self douche
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@Elan_TheDragon @TheBlackFedor @LetKalleLift dana blocked me cuz he accidently hired a gay pornstar for TUF and I pointed it out
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@irishrebel311 blocked u for being an ignorant POS! Talkin shit about chandella u fuckin puss. U seem very interested In the new TUF dude
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He's always so classy
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Not the best word choice
but I’m glad Dana is sticking up for Chan.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 28, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
4chan?
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
oh dana, what is your inner world like
with those 150 or so words in english that you know
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
140 of the words are "fuck"
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by Jonathan. on Feb 28, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
way to go Dana.
Shoot yourself in the foot… I want gays fighters coming out! But ohhhh. You seem a little toointerested in the new gay fighter. You must be a queen.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 28, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Fucking stupid.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 28, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:( He's already making the chalk trajectory markings for when the bus comes
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
So, I gather two things from that. 1. Chandella is probably still hired. 2. Dana is a fucking buffoon outside of the fight game.
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by mountaineers101 on Feb 28, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Horselover says she's been removed from the UFC web site though...
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Of course Horselover would be monitoring Chandella's status.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
rec'd for taking the words out of my mouth
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, so wrong.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Funniest comment ever on this site?
Possibly.
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I wonder why Dana is sticking up for her…maybe we found out what ring girl Dana was allegedly having relations with!
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I like how I’m your new source of information around here!
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Arianny's bio says, "Professional hot chick since 2006"
Is that when she underwent all the surgery to become hot? Interesting that she has a build date.
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by Jonathan. on Feb 28, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
2. Dana is a fucking buffoonoutside of the fight gameon twitter.
by Machiel Van on Feb 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it was correct before.
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that last dana tweet made me cringe a bit.
by Superstitiousmma on Feb 28, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
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GOSH DANA I WONDER WHY NO FIGHTERS UNDER ZUFFA CONTRACT HAVE COME OUT AS GAY BEFORE?
U seem very interested In the new TUF dude
WHAT A FUCKING MYSTERY, HUH?!?
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Just so everyone knows
there’s a link to the episode in the comments thread of the MMA Uncensored Live article so we can watch it. Some people seemed disappointed in the lack of discussion there.
The link doesn't work
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I went in and read the comments and nobody had said anything about it working.
They even said you couldn’t watch it on Spike.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
http://ironforgesiron.com/2012/02/video-spike-tvs-mma-uncensored-live-nick-diaz-dan-henderson-interview-the-fall-of-pride/
It should work, I’m using it right now.
Here ya go
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I saw this as a reply to himself under the link though and thought it wasnt the full interview.
Can’t seem to find the uncut interview anywhere else though :(
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
There’s two videos the article is talking about: 1.) the episode of MMA Uncensored Live, which is linked above, and 2.) the complete, unedited interview with Miro Mijatovic, which I could not find a link to and doesn’t work on Spike’s website.
The interview is the only thing worth watching, IMO. The show pretty much sucked
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
True, yes. I want to watch it too
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
As do I. Besides, I think we made Kid Nate angry.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nate posted this story though.
That and the videos not working killed it.
So, a story, slightly related. A guy from my hick-ass hometown (I didn’t know him, he was older than me by a few years) apparently told everyone he had been in California doing “modeling”. Somebody did some digging and found out that he had actually done some gay porn. They made a point to pass the video around to as many people from town as possible and make a huge deal of it. Said guy was apparently gayforpay, he was shacked up with a girlfriend at this point. Anyhow, he was pretty strongly ostracized, apparently almost committed suicide, all this crap.
So, kind of a sad story, but I think the real point is that he was really into girls and just did it for the money. But that didn’t give anyone any pause in calling him a fag and whatnot. So I can definitely see this guy having issues with people in the house if nothing else.
I'd rather be trollin'.
What I'm more concerned about is whether Cochrane can make weight
He’s supposedly a lightweight, but he has fought at catchweights in his last two fights. I think he came in overweight against Jamie Varner.
For the safety of both fighters...I hope he wears his cup
that’s why the ref ‘checks’ (asks, technically) to make sure he is protected
by Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku on Feb 28, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Oh they might be
this is where flags come into play
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's a stupid thing to say.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, man. Just... why?
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 2:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why? Did he have a poisonous snake grafted onto his groin?
…BRB going to Prague to receive dangerous experimental surgery.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
how Cockfaesque
…
i’m sorry
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Franz definitely would've approved
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
waaaa waaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa
still, any Kafka reference is awesome.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
THATS OFFENSIVE TO PRAGUE!!
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by gxc on Feb 28, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Offensive to herpetologists and urologists too.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah you gotta watch out for the urologists man then will rally up..such a rowdy bunch
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Does anyone know when his last scene was?
If it’s been years ago or whatever then he would know if he had HIV/AIDS or any other diseases that are transmitted by blood. Which I’m sure he would have to disclose before fighting. This would take care of any talk of disease spreading.
as brent said up top..testing for porn is way more intense than testing for fighting
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I understand that but people will still speculate
This would just kinda put the lid on the coffin
Is that Colossus?
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
i’m afraid so, homie.
and he’s still more terrifying than Bob Sapp.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure its been posted, what with there being 800 some odd comments that I missed one
but i’mma say it anyway.
DO YOU WANT TO BE A FUCKING FIGHTER?!
ahem
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 28, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
You're the first
Shame on all of us for missing that.
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dakota Cochrane
nodding head "yeah…I think I do want to be a fucking fighter
this has nothing to do with homosexuality, ufc wants these fighters to be role models and if u have a past involving porn it compromises that, so yeah he’s a great fighter but to be in the ufc u need to be more than a great fighter, plenty of time ufc has cut great fighters for stupid mistakes they made.
...and then hired them back so fast they didn't even finish cleaning out their metaphorical desks
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 28, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter if he is or isn't
Just the PR mess to worry about. I like that this article was written because it’s kind of a heads up for us so if God forbid there ever is a s-storm on the media about all this it won’t take us by surprise, we’d be ready for if the shit goes down. Liking the level of maturity here too, guys.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 3:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I doubt the level of maturity would be as high
if kid nate wasn’t swinging the ban hammer as loosely as he does (which i mean as a compliment)
Still, you guys are awesome
I can post somewhat comfortably and potentially have a discussion with you guys and not get dismissed as a “white belt” or other crap like that. Thank you.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 3:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not gay?
lol wot?
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I’ve never needed money that bad nahmean?
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by RolloTomasi on Feb 28, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sayin....I'm just sayin.
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by RolloTomasi on Feb 28, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
just checked his wiki
Ultimate Fighter and Gay Porn
Dakota Cochrance has been revealed to be a homosexual and to have participated in gay porn
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You forgot skinhead!
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by menckenstein on Feb 28, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bob Arum joke.
For me, I look at the UFC audience and the boxing audience as being two different audiences entirely. Our audience in boxing is ethnic. Hispanic, Filipino, Puerto Rican, Mexican, and the hardcore boxing fan who can’t watch … like me … can’t watch UFC. UFC are a bunch of skinhead white guys watching people in the ring who also look like skinhead white guys.
For me, and people like me, it is not something they ever care to see. They’ve watched it. It’s horrible. Guys rolling around like homosexuals on the ground. It is not a sport that shows great, great talent.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
For me, and people like me, it is not something they ever care to see.
I have to admit I don’t know a lot of 80+ year-olds who are MMA fans.
how do you know a lot of 80+ year olds at all
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nursing home stalking
it’s a great way to score candy money.
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by RolloTomasi on Feb 28, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh I can't read
:( he said he doesn’t know them
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 28, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't get the reference, my bad
could you imagine: cagefighter + gay porn + skinhead, dark ages hear we come again
This is what my gay friend posted on his Facebook a while back
So, yeah.
by D Squared on Feb 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
You cant see it, but the power bottom has his P up the guy’s A.
And in the other one, two guys are fighting.
by Ricardo Arguello on Feb 28, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
and you guys shun my reply
I see no lack of subtlety here….carry on gentlemen
by Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku on Feb 28, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
His is making fun of homophobic MMA fans. I don't see how yours is similar.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Baggage
anyone watch the TV game/dating show Baggage? there was an AVN-award winning guy among the 3 bachelors, and he brought his trophy… hehe he :)
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Well
I honestly don’t care. One of the dummies in the house will probably try and use it as some sort of insult (and look like an asshole), but if it has been known for a while I’m pretty sure the guy has gotten enough shit for it as it is. I hope he wins and has a great stint in the UFC, he looked awesome against Varner
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Only basing this off the first 400 or so comments,
But, I am really impressed with how unoffensive the discussion has been.
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by Robert V-U on Feb 28, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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and a great example of how moderators make the community better. Thanks BE!
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everybody give yourselves a hand, for real.
You’re all great, as I said above.
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 4:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Better yet, everyone give yourself a handy.
Old-fashioned.
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna make a circle jerk joke
but I though better of it.
Shame on you.
Well done.
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Yep, shoulda seen that one coming.
But you know what I meant, right?
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 5:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
sigh...
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 5:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
just kiddin brudda, just kiddin.
or am I? fap fap fap fap
by Body Triangle on Feb 28, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Last time I ever say any heartfelt words here, lol
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 5:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not taking anything from that man.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 28, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
You try to take from Paul Harris
Paul Harris takes your limbs
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
that's some good offhand typing.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
Well, that's no fun:
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also
Shouldn’t Zachary Kater be banned I mean, isnt posting a link to MMAmania on here like posting a link to something obscene
by HerbDeansBraidofhair on Feb 29, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
well
their articles aren’t obscene, just the comments section
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 29, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He should still be banned, im super serious
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Fuck... Self-banned.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 29, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
you don’t see how this can in any way affect the sport and the public perception of it?
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, assuming that your a “hardcore” MMA fan, when has the public perception of the sport ever held any significance to those who actually follow it such as you and me? The sport itself gets mauled by critics because of the violent nature of it alone, throwing the matter of sexual preference or past encounters relating to into the media will do nothing but create more uneccesary drama from “the public perception” and in return, have no beneficial value to the sport, as well as the people who follow it.
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by MrTechnique420 on Feb 28, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
i see your point, but this isn’t mere gossip. this is something that whether you or i like it or not is going to impact this kid’s career. this isn’t TMZ with their ridiculous sensationalism and baseless accusations with goofy bullshit attached.
also, we have to admit we are powerless before the fact that the public perception of our sport is important for it’s growth, advancement and overall success. you might not think much of it, but my father-in-law refusing to have anything to do with MMA due to having misconceptions of the sport isn’t the same as say Fox Sports writing it off.
this guy’s past is important. questions about when he did what he did, how strict his testing was and how to handle the matter to prevent a public relations nightmare are important. treating this with professionalism, tact, and decency is important. he was going to be outed anyway, and whether you or i care or don’t care, you can bet that many others fans or not will.
this matters. BloodyElbow is not TMZ.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is a pretty short-sighted statement.
You should care because the general perception of MMA is what limits it from expanding. The perception of lawmakers in NY is that MMA is dangerous and shouldn’t be in their state. You should care because you can work to assist in changing that.
If the UFC hadn’t diverged from the original ‘the only rule is there ARE no rules!’ mindset they had originally under SEG before changing to a 10-point must system with unified rules, it’d never have gotten as big as it did today. The face of MMA today would have been vastly different had folks not cared about the public perception.
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good gravy
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by TheDreadedMarco on Feb 28, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions
are you surprised?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 28, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
That many?
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 28, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
haha I guess you’re right. I had a little faith, I should’ve known.
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by TheDreadedMarco on Feb 28, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
We should go and rec them in spite
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by discoandherpes on Feb 28, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
No thank you, I'll stay in here in civi- nevermind
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by dajulzta on Feb 28, 2012 11:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Fallout?
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 29, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Relevant
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by Fistbeard on Feb 29, 2012 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Love everything Fallout
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Been there and done that. They get all pissy and it ends up being less fun than you’d think.
by Empty Thoughts on Feb 29, 2012 5:58 AM EST up reply actions
Only 10 if you follow the original comments replies.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
*comment's
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 28, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
i noticed that as well
I like mania but sometimes the level of immaturity on there pisses me off and than I come here and read intelligent comments :)
by HerbDeansBraidofhair on Feb 29, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
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