UFC 144: Should The Winner Of Joe Lauzon Vs. Anthony Pettis Get The Next Title Shot?
I recorded a segment for Press Row with Jordan Breen over at Sherdog last night and during the discussion of all things UFC 144 and Japanese MMA, Breen posed the question of what fighters on the undercard would be likely to get a shot at a title in 2012. In my initial response I glossed over the winner of the lightweight bout between Joe Lauzon and Anthony Pettis.
My thinking was that the UFC's method of setting up title shots and handling the Fox shows had been very clear, they have two guys fight in a main event with a clear "next fight" with the current champion. In my mind that meant that the winner of the Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller fight would be set to face the winner of the UFC 144 main event between Ben Henderson and Frankie Edgar. But as we talked and Breen argued that the Pettis/Lauzon winner should get a shot, I was a bit swayed, and after sleeping on the idea? I think I'm convinced it is a great idea.
First, some of the segment from Press Row:
Breen: Walk with me for a second, Brent. Tell me when I'm spitting garbage, okay? Because of the fact that they're on the same card and therefore it makes for great timing, it makes the most sense for the UFC...so desperate for anything resembling main events and bankable stars and so forth, that the winner of Frank Edgar/Ben Henderson, if it does end up being Anthony Pettis taking out Joe Lauzon. Do that in late June, early July assuming everybody's totally healthy. Get these guys fighting. What's one of the beefs of champions in the lower weight classes (135, 145, 155)? They're making more money now but they don't make as much money as other dudes. Most of these guys are physically healthy enough to stay that active. Jose Aldo? Maybe not. Dominick Cruz's hands? We'll see. But Frank Edgar seems to be a guy who has the physical ability to fight every 4-5 months. Isn't the real step to fast track the UFC division, even if you were to grant the winner of Miller/Diaz a title shot, you could have the next title fight happening two months after that particular fight so they're waiting six months total for the next fight.
I think you have a real chance with so many cards and deeply wanting to avoid the risk of headlining cards with things like Rashad Evans against Thiago Silva again. How CAN'T you be really, really all in with trying to fasttrack as many light weight guys to fight 3, 4, 5 times a year?
Brookhouse: I think they SHOULD be doing that, but I just look at the way they've been operating and the way they like to do these Fox shows and they like to have the contender status up and have it be very clear who they're going to be fighting. And it's just...if it follows that exact path, then it goes to Miller/Diaz, whoever wins that. But in terms of what makes the most sense, I feel like Edgar gets just straight forgotten by a lot of people. Which is just horrible since he's just one of the best guys to watch in the sport.
(We then go into a whole thing about Edgar's relative place in lightweight history and his chances to be the best 155'er in MMA history by the end of 2012. But circled back to the need to keep Edgar active to build his profile.)
Brookhouse: ...it's this kind of weird situation with Edgar where everyone is waiting for that "yeah, he's really good but..." and waiting for him to screw up in some way and lose. ...I don't know if that's vulnerability shown in the first Penn fight where a lot of people felt he lost and then Maynard fights where he was clearly hurt so he's not exactly St. Pierre and Silva and even Aldo in the level of consistent dominance. He's just exciting and wins. It's a situation where I would almost hope if Pettis wins...If Pettis AND Edgar win I should say...that they would go ahead and do Pettis vs. Edgar and then do the winner of that against the Miller/Diaz winner and keep Edgar in everyone's face and try and build him into what I think he actually is. But get him that kind of recognition from everybody.
I mean, we're constantly engaged with our readers at Bloody Elbow and it seems like EVERYBODY on the UFC roster comes up more often than Frankie Edgar, which is just bizarre to me.
Breen: Well, dude! The fact that Clay Guida is ten times more popular than Frank Edgar is...not that there's anything wrong with Clay Guida and you can see how his personality resounds with people...but the general overlooking of Frank Edgar is something incredible.
More thoughts after the jump..
SBN coverage of UFC 144: Edgar vs. Henderson
It does make sense that if you are annoyed (as I am) with the way Edgar gets lost in the shuffle (even by media types like myself) you should want him fighting as often as possible. And maybe a lot of this is too based on some sort of assumption that Edgar wins a very legitimate, very tough fight against Ben Henderson. But even a Henderson win should demand Ben fight often.
A win by Pettis presents a new challenger who was supposedly in line just two fights ago (three after the Lauzon fight). It's not some crazy idea for him to fight for the title despite losing a hard fought decision to Clay Guida in a fight that was only three rounds but would be five under the sort of "new world" rules for the UFC. If Edgar wins that is simply a great fight and if Henderson wins you're getting the Pettis/Henderson rematch with highlights galore, including maybe the MMA highlight.
As for Lauzon, if he wins that'd be his second straight win over a top ten level challenger who had been in that title challenger range. Despite earlier career failings in big fights, that should be the kind of momentum one needs to put himself in line for a title shot.
While it may break the still young pattern of the Fox shows determining the very next challenger, I think I've come fully to agree with the idea that these two UFC 144 fights should determine the next title fight with the Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz fight setting up the next challenger and establishing a clear, easy to follow divisional picture.
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If Pettis and Henderson both win then I could see it… maybe, odds are Pettis will have to win the Lauzon fight and one more to get a shot at Henderson if Henderson comes away with it.
Lauzon needs at least the Pettis win and 2 more high profile wins (probably against Maynard and someone else) to get a shot. (In my opinion).
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I would think both need one after this
I definitely don’t see Lauzon pulling off two high profile wins in a row. He is a big choker.
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Oddly enough though
He wins when he shouldn’t
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I thought Lauzon's schtick was getting spectacular finishes in fights he's supposed to win
and gassing out and getting finished in the 2nd round against the top of the division. The Guillard fight, notwithstanding.
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I feel like he easily could have beaten GSot
(GSot was considered upper echelon then) And he just choked. He gassed, sure, but he didn’t even look that great when he hadn’t gassed yet.
Then, fighting Jens and Melvin, he wins in a big way in a fight he wasn’t supposed to have a chance in.
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I can see that. And I'd actually love to see Edgar/Lauzon
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No.
Simply so that they can say that the main event of FOX will decide the next title challenger.
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that would still be true if you award the VERY next shot to the lauzon/pettis winner
I mean, miller/diaz is still more than two months away. Assuming that nobody’s too badly hurt, it would even be JUST possible to set up another lw title fight before then. In the meantime, it’s too long to wait with the top of the division in limbo.
But yeah, the real reason to do this is to fasttrack the bendo/pettis rematch, if possible.
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
eesh
Not worth the risk. I don’t like the thought of rushing title fights, and the risk of injuries also would come into play.
I would like to see the Pettis/Bendo rematch for the title, but I also don’t think Pettis has proven he should have another shot.
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yeah, putting it in Late may to early July would be more like it
and you can still call miller/diaz a #1 contender match.
Pettis would have to have a badass highlight win to get fastracked, too, I figure. But that’s kind of his thing.
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
or it was in the WEC
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully Lauzon will be willing to stand up with him
Guida and Stephens never let him get comfortable on the feet
I can only really see it if Pettis absolutely stomps JLo
A viable Pettis coming off an exciting, impressive win might be a more appealing fight with either Edgar or Bendo than, say, a Jim Miller coming off a close win in a grinding performance.
Of course if Pettis and Diaz win, I don’t see how the UFC passes on the opportunity to put Diaz in for the belt.
I think the best challengers out of those four fights, in order of fan appeal (regardless of the Bendo Edgar winner) are:
1 Diaz
2 Pettis
3 Miller
4 Lauzon
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1. Diaz
2. Petits
3. Lauzon
4. Miller
Miller’s in a sticky situation where he’s a universally acknowledged top 5 lightweight who has lost to both Edgar and Bendo, and Maynard, the last contender. It’d take a lot to convince people that he’d have a chance at winning rematches with any of them.
And if Bendo/Petits both win, that’s the obvious fight to make regardless of Diaz/Miller.
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Maybe it's just me
but I am just not buying Lauzon as a title contender, regardless of what he does to Showtime. I like him as a fighter, but I just don’t see him as an elite echelon guy, or a guy with a particularly high ceiling, talent wise.
You make a good point about Miller, but I just can’t see the UFC putting Lauzon in a title fight without at least one more really good win.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Lauzon's an elite fighter either,
I just think Miller’s going to need another long win streak to get a title shot. With an emphatic victory, Lauzon would have a case for a title shot. And as a first round fighter, a Lauzon fight all but guarantees a spectacular finish. I don’t think they’d give him a shot right away, but a title eliminator with the Dunham/Barboza winner or someone else at the top would produce a worthy contender.
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Isn’t Diaz in a worse spot, having lost to Maynard, Guida, and Joe Stevenson?
by Hardcharger on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
those are old losses
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Old losses, the Maynard decision was highly disputed, and Diaz has looked REALLY good as of late
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Diaz got absolutely manhandled
2 fights ago. He’d have to KO/Sub Miller
by HeadKickLegSweep on Feb 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, what happened to Diaz at WW isn’t really relevant, IMO. His loss to Maynard is, though… I’d like to see him avenge that loss, or beat a strong wrestler, before fighting for the title.
Am I the only one who thinks Diaz beat Maynard twice?
I know records don’t work that way, but Diaz subbed Maynard in a two-round TUF fight and out-struck him on the way to losing a bad/borderline decision in their follow up.
From the standpoint of him being a viable title challenger, I don’t see the Maynard record hurting him.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you… I thought Diaz beat Maynard the second time around… but still, he lost that fight officially, and I’d like to see him avenge that loss.
That fight would be insane if it were five rounds
Maynard’s boxing has improved since then as well.
by discoandherpes on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
If he beats Miller the way he beat Cerrone
I’ll bet you any sum of money he fights for the title next. Too much name value and too much appeal to that fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 22, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Miller’s losses to Edgar and Maynard are just as old, if not older, and that was the evidence used to argue against him. Diaz has 2 wins in a row. 3 fight ago he got manhandled by Rory at WW.
by Hardcharger on Feb 22, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Miller's convincing loss to Bendo within the past year
is the one that’s going to make it a tough sell, especially if Bendo wins. Also, it’s not a legal case. Pettis and Diaz are just imminently easier to sell as title contenders than Miller, even disregarding the Bendo outcome.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
But the Bendo fight wasn't. The other key differences between the two are:
Diaz has show noticeable improvements since his losses, his loss to Maynard was hardly a loss and he hasn’t fought Bendo/Edgar yet, so his title match/future match ups are so much easier to make. His WW fights are irrelevant IMO.
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His name is Pettis
Not ‘Petits’
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If they come out healthy
Then yes… But if they don’t give the shot to Diaz/Miller
by rscott94 on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Pettis wins, yes
If JLo wins, no
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I don't see why not.
Lauzon/ Edgar would be epic IMO. Lauzon is known for being a real sparkplug in the 1’st round, Edgar is known for getting caught early in his fights; Lauzon is known to fade spectacularly after the 1’st round, Edgar is known for making roaring comebacks after the early going. No way would that fight make it into the championship rounds
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lauzon needs...
more high profile wins, Pettis on the other hand has a win over benderson.
The Guillard win was huge.
Bigger than Pettis’ win over Bendo was at the time, from a rankings and underdog perspective.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough...
but pettis beat a guy who is fighting for the belt in spectacular fashion, and lauzon has had a very bumpy road, whereas pettis has been a force with only 1 failure. i dont even know if jlo is mentally ready for the title, never hear him talk about his title aspirations, whereas pettis has been very vocal.
i say winner of this vs winner of miller/diaz is best measure.
I just like to see fighters as busy as possible.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Lauzon/Edgar being exciting, and could totally imagine Joe choking Frankie out in the first in a blitz.
My only problem is that I don’t see Lauzon defending the belt successfully, which is kind of a stupid problem to have. My desire to see fun fights is greater though.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 23, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't count J-Lau out,
but I think that fight would look alot more like Lauzon/ Stout, with Joe starting off strong and then getting bodied later in the fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 23, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I never count the kid out,
but I think you’re most likely right in that regard. A man can dream though.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 23, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's a hardcore dream fight, but I don't think casual fans give a shit
Why make a fight that nobody really wants?
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pointless fight
one of these guys will lose, or both of the fighters will “clean out the division”. the fight will happen only when one of these two things happen.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I wrote a fan post a while back making the argument for that fight as one that would benefit both fighters and the UFC in terms of helping both guys become better draws. Will it happen? No, probably not, but if this PPV doesn’t do well then they need to start thinking outside the box in order to market Edgar and Aldo. 225k buys won’t cut it.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 22, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
Let them become draws on their own and get huge money on the super fight. Although, one may lose in the future (probably Edgar if I had to choose) and that could mess it up. I’d like to see two dominant champs that have beaten all comers before a super fight.
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I hope that happens
But the two PPVs that Edgar has headlined have both failed to break 270k buys. We’ll see what happens on Saturday, but if the numbers don’t show any improvement the UFC needs to consider drastic measures to improve them.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 22, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I see the benefit of it, and the winner would undoubtedly get a boost.
I just don’t see it making nearly as much money as it could if they booked that fight now and there are other ways to build them up. Edgar/Bendo and Aldo are tailor made for FOX shows so I hope they go that route.
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I would hope
They’d put that fight on Fox. If nobody’s going to buy the PPV anyway, why not just put it on free TV for maximum exposure? It sucks that these guys aren’t better known outside the hardcore community.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 22, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Aldo is probably going to fight Hioki.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
But Hioki has a tough fight with Bart
I hate that people overlook that. I just hope Bart isn’t jetlagged so he can prove everyone wrong.
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Yeah
No.
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If Edgar clears out his division, then this fight would make sense
That said, LW is full of killers and I doubt that there isn’t one guy who is Edgar’s kryptonite.
by discoandherpes on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t there anyone at LW that has a 5-6 win streak going instead of all these guys coming off losses in 2011 or late 2010? I mean, I like Jim Miller, Pettis, Lauzon and Diaz… but they all lost not too long ago… I prefer to see title fights where both are coming off lenghty streaks of victories.
short answer...nope
unless they bring in Gilbert. Siver, Miller, Guillard, Guida, Diaz, Pettis, Lauzon all have relatively recent loses. after those guys you have who? Cerrone, Cole Miller, Tibau, Dos Anjos are not even in the picture now…..so basically it’s Gil or your fucked.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Right… looks like LW is quickly becoming like MW where everyone beats everyone else and there’s no truly dominant fighter, except the champion.
Funny how the LW division went from having a backlog of viable challengers to having nobody in just a short year.
It’d be a perfect time to have Edgar and Aldo meet at 150lbs… gives time to both divisions to establish a few worthy challengers.
Edson Barbosa?
he should beat Evan. w/ 1 fight and win against a top 10 LW he should get a shot and will still be undefeated.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe… if he beats Evan, and then someone like the winner of Diaz/Miller, sure. But until that happens, it’s kind of pointless to bring him in this discussion when his biggest win is against Ross Pearson…
dude
you asked about a fighter on a streak…..he’s about all they got ’cept Gil and he has that stupid Strikeforce promotion in his way.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, fine. By the way, Volkman is on a better win streak than Barbosa… If only he kept his mouth shut in between fights, he’d be getting higher profile matchups and could be nearing title contention by now…
His style isn't helping him either.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
But his primo chest hair counters his unfavorable fighting style.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Feb 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Volkmann 5-0 at lightweight. Won't get a shot unless he wins another 15 though and even then...
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
LW is so good
It’s hard for people to go on long winning streaks.
by discoandherpes on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
fwiw
Not counting the champ, the longest streak against ufc lw’s right now seems to be Volkmann (5) and after him Barboza (4.)
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions
NO!!!
The winner of Miller/Diaz should be next and hopefully it’s Diaz because he has been rolling over people as of late and if he can beat Jim Miller then damnit he deserves the next title shot. Pettis hasn’t really done much as of late, losing to Guida then a close fight with Stephens. If this fight is close with Joe I can’t see why the UFC would give him a title shot over Miller or Diaz. Joe needs to add atleast another name before he gets a title shot even if he beats Pettis.
Also, maybe Gil Melendez has some thoughts here....
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Gil signed a SF contract not too long ago… he should’ve thought of what he was doing when he was signing that piece of paper.
I think Showtime (the TV station, not Pettis) insisted he stay if they renewed.
Therefore, you’re right. But I bet Zuffa gave him one hell of a consolation bonus to stay over there, which may have entered into his decision. Also, since we have to assume a ufc contract wasn’t offered in the interest of keeping him on Showtime, he may have thought am I going to end up in Bellator or some bullshit like that if I don’t do what these guys ask?"
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I mean written into his contract.
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
What contract? The contract he signed with SF before Zuffa purchased them? Gil’s contact is with SF and possibly with Showtime (what a mess). Why would Gil have to make a decision about anything? He’s at the mercy of his contract. He had no option to leave for the UFC.
I'm pretty sure his most recent contract is after Zuffa bought SF, and he was a football in the negotiations with Showtime.
But my lunch hour is over, so I’m dropping it.
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by some schmuck in texas on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Considering that Diaz vs. Miller is a little ways away... If the champ wants to fight before that I say do it.
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i know ppl will disagree
but if Edson can get an impressive win over Dunham, then he should get the next shot, or at least a no. 1 contender match. i know Dunham isn’t top 5, but Edson is undefeated (both UFC and in general), an exciting and well rounded fighter, and if he beats Dunham he will have the best streak going in the division (unless Christmas hugs Sass for 15 minutes).
Pettis, Lauzon, Miller, and Diaz all have recent losses which doesn’t disqualify them automatically from contention, but if there’s a better alternative, imo they should take it.
way too early for Barbosa
why rush him
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
because no one else in the division has as much momentum (IF he beats Dunham)
except for Henderson. Edson has all the tools. he fights smart (unlike Cerrone who had a similar streak and was in title conversations). we’ve seen so many contenders lose their shots when they were just one fight away.
Miller, Pettis, Lauzon, and Diaz all have recent loses. it just makes sense to me to go with the undefeated fighter. even if Barbosa loses, it’ll be good for his carreer. plus he always makes for an exciting fight.
its true we’ve seen a lot of fighters get one fight away then lose but I think its because LW is the deepest divison with more high quality opponents than any other division. Still think its better that if someone gets a shot after 2/3 quality wins than rushing a prospect that could benefit from fighting more and improving their game, even if its means they might lose in the meantime
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Barring injury, it troubles me how seldom the UFC has its champions fight. It certainly didn’t used to be only 1-2 times a year that a champion would fight. One fight every 4 months is too much?
Which champion has been fighting too infrequently without injuries being the cause? Anderson’s always injured, GSP has been injured often recently, Cain was injured a year, so was Lesnar before him, Edgar was injured in between his Maynard fights, etc.etc. Aldo fights pretty frequently, and so does Jones. I think UFC title holders fight frequently enough when they’re not injured…
Wow, you’re right. Looking back there are A LOT of injuries befalling champions. I guess I didn’t realize how frequently they seem to happen. The belts are clearly cursed :)
i think it has to do with fighter injuries in general
fighters often fight injured. champions are less reluctant to fight injured because a) they have substantially more money than non-champion fighters, for the most part, and b) because they want to be %100 to defend their title. for the majority, guys who aren’t champions on average don’t make as much but are still full-time fighters who depend on it for an income, so are more reluctant to miss a fight due to an injury.
I say yes the winner of Pettis/Lauzon should get the next shot..
Have it headline the July 7th card barring any injuries the with Faber/Cruz 3. Would be sweet.
What's Eddie Alvarez's contract situation?
I know he’s currently at an impasse with Bellator, but when is he a free agent? If he were to come over to the UFC, he’d be “in the mix”, probably 1-2 fights away from a title shot. All this is assuming Gil Melendez stays in Strikeforce. If he were to come over, I think he jumps over all those guys and gets an immediate title shot.
idk if he'd fight Edgar
bc they’re long time training partners.
he'd not get a shot right away
he’s come off a loss against a previously unranked fighter. he would get a set up fight w/ a top 25 fighter like Siver or Wiman and then he’d get a top 10 fight (which he’d lose).
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
he’d lose
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by F'n Clownshoes on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
coming off a loss to an unranked?
4-5 streak minimum
by HeadKickLegSweep on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
The debate is moot
There will be a Edgar-Bendo rematch after a too close decision in the upcoming fight.
If you ask me it's really an obvious choice what happens next.
Should Bendo and Pettis win Saturday, it’s Pettis/Bendo II. Should Pettis lose however, regardless of who wins between Bendo/Edgar the winner of Diaz/Miller fights for the title.
Pettis' win over Benson is his biggest chip
He beat the guy who beat the #1 contender and his last defeat.
If Pettis wins, he should get the next shot.
Also, Where’s Maynard? Guida? That’d be a good match.
by HeadKickLegSweep on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions
exactly
if both Bendo and Pettis win, how is it not logical to make a rematch, who else if not the guys who BEAT the champion and coming off a win and who was promised the immediate title shot not so long ago should have the right to the champ? The winner of Diaz&Miller would be next in line then
It was also an amazing fight
And Pettis is an obvious threat to Bendo if Bendo wins, so all is good.
by discoandherpes on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’d really hate to have the Edgar/Bendo winner have to wait til September or something to fight again. Don’t we all hate that? If Dan Hardy can get a title shot, the winner of Pettis and Lauzon should be more than acceptable. Let’s just call a spade a spade. We all know that the challenger isn’t some world beater, but it accomplishes two important things- gives us a fun fight, and the LW Title holder isn’t sitting out for over half a year. Plus giving the LW title holder as much exposure as possible before the Fox fight is huge. Having Edgar vs Pettis wait for the Miller/Diaz winner would be just as long of a break as waiting for champs to coach TUF, and you all bitch (myself included) that when they decide to have champs or number one contenders coach TUF.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 22, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Pettis and Bendo both win...I think that's the most likely of it happening.
But really, if Lauzon wins..thats 3 in a row, 2 over very legit competition, one of them a massive upset….so I could see it.
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The Pettis/Lauzon winner should fight the Diaz/Miller Winner for #1 contender.
I just don’t think that either of them has a vastly more compelling argument for getting a title shot. Pettis getting the shot based on a win over Lauzon seems like a bit of a gimme. With all of the fights happening in such a close span of time, I see no reason not to have an invisible 4 man tournament to decide who should get the next shot.
so you'd have us wait a year to see another championship fight?
I don’t think that’s viable, unless the champion gets injured.
The fight could happen between September and November
Depending on how everything turns out. I guess that is a bit of a long stretch without competition for the belt. Perhaps that would be a good reason to bring Gilbert over for a unification fight. If I had to pick one guy to get the title shot, I’d pick the winner of Diaz/Miller, as I think that person will have had the better run of all 4 of them. I just feel like giving it to Pettis or Lauzon is a little undeserved.
Giving a shot to Miller is what would be undeserved
If he beats Diaz he’ll have only won 2 in a row and already lost to both Henderson and Edgar. You can’t sell that match. Nate Diaz would make a good contender, but that would mean waiting 3 months for him to fight again.
Here’s my thoughts: if Bendo and Pettis win, and no one’s injured there’s your match. Pettis already beat him and the fight hypes itself. If Lauzon wins and no one’s injured, there’s your match. Guillard and Pettis are big wins. If someone gets injured, Pettis/Lauzon can fight Miller/Diaz for the shot. Champs should be fighting several times a year, makes no sense to intentionally wait 3 months for a fight outcome, unless someone is injured.
I hope Lauzon trucks Pettis
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by underrated ground game on Feb 22, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
He got submitted in that fight.
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by underrated ground game on Feb 22, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100% with this post. I think UFC should take it one step farther and get Edgar, or whoever the LW champion is, onto a FOX card. Edgar was in 2 of the top 10 fights of last year, and can’t break 325K PPV buys. I just think people don’t know what they are missing at this point. Get him in with the Pettis/Lauzon winner, and then stack the Diaz/Miller winner in behind him. It is a win-win for UFC.
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