Tactics of Kickboxing, Boxing and MMA Masters - [Vote]
by Jack Slack on Feb 21, 2012 6:23 PM EST
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PrintHey folks,
I had fantastic feedback on my book ideas so I will forge ahead with writing and photography and should have them out some time in the Easter break, (a nice treat for yourselves while the kids or younger siblings are preoccupied with chocolate perhaps?) but your job isn't over yet!
I have amalgamated all the names that came up in discussion here and at the UG and there are a LOT. So I would love it if the kind people of Bloody Elbow would decide for me which strikers are going to have their game and tricks broken down in unprecedented detail, with instructional photographs!
These are, however, only the more interesting options - suggested by you guys. Already certain to have a full game breakdown are:
- Joe Louis
- Roy Jones Jr.
and a few others of my own choosing whom I haven't decided yet. What I need to know is who you guys find the most interesting out of the following fighters! I will take the 8 with the most votes for the book - and if it is met well I might publish another - but I won't get ahead of myself!
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Andy Hug.
Looking forward to it Jack.
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Its because he's a BOSS
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by hardlyworking on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's Spong or Hoost for me
Love the way those guys fight. Tight punching combos, brutal kicks and knees… just perfection IMO.
I’m surprised that Nate Corbett isn’t on the list, though. He’s probably my favorite Nak Muay right now
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
You mean I have to choose just one?
That’s gonna be a tough choice.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 21, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions
I'm sure you would have!
Maybe doing three polls separated by sports. Would have made the choice much easier for me. I’d probably go smething like MMA: Edgar, Kickboxing: Hug or Hoost, Boxing: Juan Manuel Marquez or Sugar Ray Robinson. Anyway this is a great initiative, I’m very excited about it.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 21, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, I’m only interested in MMA striking. I’m sure other people are different, but that’s my feeling on it.
I'd rather be trollin'.
Wouldn't prevent you from voting in the MMA poll.
Also analyzing boxers and kickboxers can be useful to MMA striking.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
This is true, I’m just saying the selection process would be biased by categorizing the voting like that. I think you should take the top 8 regardless of whether they’re boxers, kickboxers, or MMA strikers.
Boxers and kickboxers can be useful for MMA striking, but I feel like MMA striking generally shows you what you can get away with as far as striking without exposing yourself for a takedown.
I'd rather be trollin'.
MMA fighters will definitely be covered
This is simply a vote for those I haven’t already put in. Some of the ones that don’t get the votes will be covered, but the 8 that get the highest number of votes will definitely be covered.
AS and Machida are certains. And I doubt I could avoid BJ Penn even if he doesn’t get the votes!
So hard to choose!
My top two are Jack Johnson, and Samart Payakaroon (my actual vote)—closely followed by Hoost, Yodsanklai Fairtex, and Sugar Ray.
Sad that Samart—arguably the greatest striker of all time—hasn’t gotten more support.
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Fedor's style is just not so mysterious
Overhand-Right > Clinch Trip > Armbar
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by hardlyworking on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
You guys should check out Emanuel Augustus.
One of the most skilled and flashiest boxers of all-time. Imagine Floyd Mayweather with huge, hairy balls and a thousand times more style(the last 1:30 or so is the best, but its all good).
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by TheFilt on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What the hell am I watching?
Is that Drunken Boxing style? Or Capoera Boxing?
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by hardlyworking on Feb 21, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
he explains it in the video
The man is legit. His record is 38-30 or so, but he had the FOTY with Mickey Ward, put up a very hard fight against Mayweather and was robbed out of many decisions.
He also fought anyone, anytime. Some guys say that. But he really did.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
The video is also a lot better
He actually put his hands behind his back for quiet a while in a couple fights.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
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His style must be
absolutely the most infuriating thing in the world to fight against.
Watching vid now, big big lulz, that guy is awesome
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by hardlyworking on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Very hard to pick one
I chose Iron Mike (Zambidis of course!) because he is just so fun to watch.
I’ve seen Petrosyan and Andy Sower fight once each on a Its Showtime event and honestly neither one seemed worthy of the gushing praise. Of course bad-nights happen to everyone.
I’d like to add 2nd vote for Andy Hug so long as the Axe Kick features promenantly. That shit is just way too fucking crazy.
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Petrosyan and Souwer are fantastic strikers
Petrosyan especially. The man has probably the best defense in kickboxing today, which is why he’s 70-1 overall.
How DARE you??
Petrosyan is awesome.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I picked Sugar Ray Robinson because I’ve not really seen a great technical breakdown of what made him the best boxer ever.
I’d also pick Yodsanklai, Anuwat and Samart, because those are three of the best ever Muay Thai guays. Buakaw pales in comparison to these guys, but he’s more popular.
Go with the popular stuff and mix in the underrated. It’ll sell more books.
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Sugar Ray was great because he was so dynamic and versatile
Fast as hell, ample KO power in both hands, moving in any direction, to the head and the body. Ray could fight however he needed to, also- he could be the aggressor or the counter fighter, depending on what worked best against his particular opponent. He had a great chin, fleet footwork, was fast as hell (but didn’t lack stamina), had very good head movement and defense, and fought all the way from 135 lbs (lightweight) to 168 lbs (LHW). He was pretty tall for those weight classes, and was able to exploit that with a great jab and thunderous power punches. Sugar Ray was tough as hell too, often times fighting multiple times a month.
He was honestly the perfect boxer.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What he said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VLWBVpL23k&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLE95C5594FB0DAB63
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GuoYpmbJo
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Know the name of the song? It's stuck in my head and won't leave.
I’ll need to listen to it nonstop until it is exorcised.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
frak, reply fail. I meant the one above...
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by Unabomberman on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
The xx-Crystalised.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, man.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 23, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
why is rampage on the list and not anderson silva??
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In all seriousness, I voted for Jack Johnson. I might be looking at it from more of a historical and cultural lens, but I think it’d be interested to examine boxing in the era immediately following Reconstruction and seeing the various ways black athletes were delegitimized in a much more overtly racist cultural body.
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Will you be discussing styles generally, as well as specific fighters?
For example, I’ve heard people talk about a ‘European’ boxing stance. I don’t know what this is specifically, or what the alternatives are.
its alil more upright in stance with a focus on 1-2 combos.
that’s a overly simple view of it but its a jist
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 22, 2012 5:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This book is really going to be focusing on specific tricks of individuals
I will also be releasing the most in depth guide to using angles in striking to date.
If those are both successful I’ll see about making a comprehensive guide to striking, and that’ll talk much more about generalities. =)
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because why the fuck not?
...he also sends me messages saying "Prepare your soul, only god and jiu jitsu can save you and god isn’t listening". -Patrick Tenney
Top 8 right now:
Hoost
Hug
Buakaw
Diaz brothers
Mayweather
Edgar
Zambo
Dos Santos
Didn’t expect Zambidis to be that high.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions
I'm happy to see Zambo get some love and he's definitely interesting to breakdown.
Just didn’t expect him to beat Penn, Cro Cop or Aerts.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Do you guys know what happened with that broken jaw?
I stayed up late to watch the fight a few weeks/months back, and after taking what looked like a nothing swing, Zambidis took a knee.
Broken Jaw. And even in the replay over and over it looked like he didn’t even get touched.
Did it fracture in sparing/practice leading up to the fight, and that last shot just did it in?
His facebook updates are almost always in greek… so unless they bother to translate I never know what he’s saying to the fans
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by hardlyworking on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I've no idea what's up with him at the moment, I've had a hard time keeping up with K-1 in hibernation =(
But jaw breaks can look like nothing, it doesn’t take much to dislocate one if it’s not clenched.
Jack Johnson, the originator of the slip n' slide style of boxing!
I don’t expect him to win, but I made my choice and I will stand by it.
El Santo inspired me to be a submission grappler.
...my knee jerks and kicks a strawman right in the junk. :(
Please make sure you have a strict Muay Thai guy
Like Por Pramuk! Thanks
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Buakaw is actually more of a Muay Thai/ K-1 hybrid.
He, of course, has hellacious knees and good elbows, but K-1 really boned clinch fighters in that respect, so Buakaw had to focus and improve on more punching and kicking than a regular Nak Muay would.
A truly “strict Muay Thai” fighter would be someone like Saenchai or Yod.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
That Saenchai clip
where he handstand-kicks that dude in the head and KOs him during sparring is my favorite.
BOOSH
Oh, you mean THIS clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_8q3VQ13heg#!
Total BAMF
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 23, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Pet peeve of mine,
I love Pro Pramuk, but he’s best success has come outside of pure muay thai. IMO, he doesn’t compare to a Samart or a Dieselnoi.
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Yeah, Buakaw didn't win anything like Lumpinee or Rajademnern stadium titles in Muay Thai.
He won the Omnoi stadium title IIRC, but that’s a cut below Lumpinee and Raja.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta love Buakaw
He’s a refreshing break from the same old Dutch Muay Thai that you see in kickboxing. Also, have to throw in Semmy Schilt. He’s a big man, but it takes more than height to be the 4-time K-1 champion.
It's extremely hard for someone as big and tall as he is to fight as skillfully as he does.
But he really killed himself to develop a solid jab & teep that works for him, and his style is imminently disarming because of it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
He should have a sitdown with Srefan Struve, talk some sense into that thick skull of his so that he can end the latter's war against self preservation.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 22, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't get why Struve hasn't flown his ass to Schilt's gym
bowed down to the master, and pleaded Sem to teach him how to fight tall.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 23, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
The question I ask myself anytime I see Struve fight.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 23, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
BUKAW!
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by Unabomberman on Feb 22, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The Diaz brothers?
C’mon people, they have way too many votes. The tard quotient on this page is bad enough.
I voted Mayweather.
by Scott Whitaker on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 PM EST reply actions
Maybe this could be saved for 146
But do you think you could do a comparison of striking in MMA vs purely striking based forms of competition?
Another great Hug HL..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83aB3JgVrQY
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