UFC 143: A Look At The Ground Games of Fabricio Werdum and Roy Nelson
Roy Nelson and Fabricio Werdum are Brazilian jiu jitsu black belts. The years of dedication, practice, competition and travel between gyms have allowed them to refine their grappling skills to the point where we expect greatness of them if a fight goes to the ground.
However, we are about to watch them in a mixed martial arts bout at UFC 143 - not a submission grappling event. The rules and the traditions of the cage are different and they are not conducive to grinding an opponent into submission. Remaining hopeful as to the appearance and quality of the potential grappling that could be on display is the best approach though.
Andrew Keller of MMA Mania has a good quick look at two of the better moments in the public eye in the careers of Nelson and Werdum: Nelson's Grappler's Quest match against Mir in 2003 and Werdum's submission of Fedor Emelianenko in 2010.
The Bloody Elbow crew has Judo Chopped the Fedor triangle before with the help of Seph Smith, a Fifty/50 instructor under Ryan Hall. Werdum himself explained the dramatic submission through video in typical hilarious fashion.
Keller likens both fighters to patient arachnids, setting multidimensional traps for their opponents and pulls it off:
Watching an experienced Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) player set up a submission is a lot like watching a spider weave its web. If one is not careful, one will wander right into their own demise.
Roy Nelson and Fabricio Werdum are two of the best web-spinners in the fight game today, and grappling fans have the pleasure of watching them square off this Sat., Feb. 4, at UFC 143: "Diaz vs. Condit." Just as if two well-known knockout artists were facing off, I suggest as little blinking as possible during this potential grapple-fest.
Here's why: [Go read the article, as it has plenty of GIFs and Keller's take on the moves.]
My own complimentary thoughts after the jump:
Keller errs a bit in referring to Nelson's ground game as world class. Nelson is a difficult beastie to control or deny top position, but his forte is not in attacking for and seizing submissions. The early streak of submission victories in Nelson's career have given way to decisions and knockouts as the competition level ratcheted upwards. His game is that of dominant top control and excellent submission defense - and he may no longer want to use it much in the cage.
The last memorable submission attempt from Roy was back in 2008 against Andrei Arlovski. Nelson took the bout with just over a week's notice and nearly won the fight in the first round with a kimura attempt from side control - only to be denied as the referee, Jorge Ortiz, stood them up mid-attempt. Roy lost that bout in the second by KO. Since that fight and the subsequent Monson debacle it appears that Nelson has largely given up on his ground game and worked to improve his stand-up prowess. Knockout victories against Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve seem to have proven this decision wise, before the batterings he received at the hands of Junior dos Santos and Frank Mir left him on a two fight skid.
It is also possible that Keller underplays Werdum a bit in this article. Fabricio Werdum is the most decorated Brazilian jiu jitsu player to ever be in the UFC1. A freestyle wrestling equivalent could be Denis Tsargush (if he was a heavyweight and had Olympic medals to go along with his World titles). Werdum's multiple world titles, several ADCC gold, silver and bronze medals and lists of defeated opponents since the early 2000s make him absolutely one of the best submission grapplers in history. The success has transferred somewhat over to his MMA career, although his takedowns and top game, which hunts highly for the back take and submissions from the back, have not carried over so much. His game from the bottom is ferocious and many opponents have chosen not to engage him there.
Werdum has shown a pattern of flopping to his back against several prominent opponents and this habit seems to be boom or bust. The Fedor triangle was certainly a rousing success for the strategy, but the weird fight against Overeem showed how the strategy can go off the rails with an uncooperative opponent.
Nelson is more likely than Overeem to dive into Werdum's guard, but that certainly wouldn't happen with the abandon Fedor showed. Nonetheless, Keller's piece is a good examination at what both men are capable of and are likely to be doing when on the ground in Saturday's fight. If you go over and read the piece, let him know the quality of the article and support his future work.
1 Roger Gracie is the most decorated Brazilian jiu jitsu player to cross over into MMA thus far, although Alexandre Ribeiro is not far behind. Of course, Rickson Gracie has a comparable or better reputation than either of the three BJJ players, but his matches were generally not within the modern era of competitions.
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You know this is true alot of people r over looking roys ju jitsu here werdum may be better but don’t count burger king out just yet
by youfailme91 on Feb 2, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I love Burger King (at least, I think it's the best cheap burger joint)
… perfect nickname for Roy… can we get Bruce to announce him that way?
nice work Ben
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Good Analysis
I think Big Country wins by KO.
Btw I just saw that Nate Diaz vs Jim Miller is the main event on UFC On Fox 3
by Myke2525 on Feb 2, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Im a judoka but I found during newaza I was a lot more effective with my top game when I was 15 kilo heavier. It’s like I lost one o my best weapons when I lost most of my belly. That being said. Werdum by gogo
by peet cassidy on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Enjoyed the article.
1. Completely agree with your assessment of Roy Nelson’s jits.
2. I hope Roy Nelson starts calling the crucifix the Big Countryfix
3. Disappointed Jacare wasn’t even mentioned in the discussion of most decorated (2X absolute winner).
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Good Stuff
I’m just afraid, like Myke2525, that their BJJ is not going to play any part in this fight. I hope I’m wrong
we got a saying back home, if your coming on…come on!!!- harold howard
Werdum is active off his back, moving all that gristle might be challenging, but Fabricio has won the adcc absolute before so he is no stranger to pushing beef around.
I liked the mention of Roy’s use of deep guard sweeps if Werdum is on top, but I dont think they will be effective since Werdum will recognize this and turn his hips to pass.
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Werdum's had success
Against much bigger guys off his back in the past. He has a sneaky sweep game, especially the deep half guard, in addition to his submission arsenal.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
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I don’t know what this article is about.
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Chael Sonnen has finished 1 fight in his 14 UFC/WEC fights. Is anyone in the UFC a worse finisher than the "great" Chael Sonnen?
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see this fight go to the ground....
However I have a bad feeling it’s going to end up being a bad kickboxing exchange between the two with a lot of looping bad overhand punches
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by jack knight starman on Feb 2, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions
I think he would have a bit of an edge, your right
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by jack knight starman on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling its going to end early. Roy will graze werdum with one of those looping punches, it will go to the ground and he will either gnp a turtled werdum or countryfix him in the 1st or 2nd.
I also thought Mat Serra would not beat GSP the first time.
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i just want to mention
That Roy is using the lockdown (grapevine on opponents leg) half guard sweep the electric chair and not deep half rocker. In the gif with Frank Mur. I mentioned that on the comments section there,but since this article links to it. I wanted to point it out here too.
Point acknowledged.
However, the entry points for the “electric chair” and deep half are similar. Nelson probably wasn’t going for the banana split or the other derivative submissions the 10th Planet system goes to there. Roy was still close to Renzo at the time and not out in Vegas working with Ricky Lundell etc. and Renzo don’t play around with the deep half. You’re in, you’re out and you’re working to get better position.
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Thanks man
Im sorry, I wasn’t suggesting this is 100% 10th planet. You are of course right about how similar they are. I didn’t mean to sound like I am some sort of expert. Electric chair is just a technique that holds a place in my heart, so i felt the need to point that out. I got my first tap on a blue belt (albeit low level) with it. I really think the lockdown is the most practical part of Bravo’s game.
also
Its really cool that you took the time to answer me. I love how you guys interact with us. I really appreciate it.
Just come correct and bring the good info
and I will never, ever have a problem talking to you.
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