UFC On Fuel Results: Dana White On Jake Ellenberger, Inconsistencies, Tim Sylvia
by Josh Nason on Feb 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST
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Ariel Helwani caught up with UFC president Dana White for an extended interview following UFC On Fuel Wednesday night, discussing a slew of topics related to the card itself, Nick Diaz's situation and the political issues around it and his thoughts on a former UFC champion trying to get back in the Octagon.
Here are some of the topics covered in the 11-minute clip, one of the better ones Helwani and White have done in recent events:
- The future of both Jake Ellenberger and Diego Sanchez
- Whether five round fights on Fuel will now be mandatory
- What he would do if he was Carlos Condit
- His thoughts on the Omaha, Nebraska, crowd
- Dave Herman's week and what drove him nuts about his entrance song
- Aaron Simpson, Ronny Markes and not being "the blur"
- A rant against the Nevada State Athletic Commission and "being consistent about being inconsistent"
- What White has said to Diaz about marijuana use
- UFC Japan and if there will be any nod toward PRIDE on that show
- His thoughts on Tim Sylvia
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Watch the whole clip after the jump.
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I'm not going to call Dana a homophobe
but there might be some other cultural influences at play there…like homophobia.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 16, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
If Dana is homophobic, it's definitely in a Ted Haggard / Larry Craig sort of way.
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by menckenstein on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Dana is gay,
I think he’s just a homophobe.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
dude so wrong if herman would have won the fight he would have said how hilarious he finds his antics.
stop with all the dana is a homophobe Bs
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He was pretty pissed about his hairy showing before the fight.
Also, I’m having a hard time figuring out what about Macho Man or the Village People that Dana objects to, if it isn’t the fact that they are gay. Taken in a vacuum, Macho Man is actually a pretty appropriate walkout song.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, though I’m obviously ribbing you in the comment below, I don’t see a problem with Macho Man either. It’s often used in basketball games and such, isn’t it? It’s a classic arena theme.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think that Dana really hates anyone (except maybe Steve Mazagatti) but I also don’t think he’s the most comfortable with even the slightest suggestion of gay stuff (like Hallman’s terrible shorts).
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I can understand anger towards the shorts Hallman wore and I’m not a homophobic person. I don’t drop fifty bucks on a pay per view to see a guy’s nuts. I’d prefer to just worry about who is going to win as opposed to worrying about what’s going to fall out.
As for Herman, Dana does sound like he’s more disappointed with Herman just not taking his career seriously. I like jokesters just as much as the next guy, but he should have rolled through Struve tonight.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
this^
He’s upset at Herman messing around with his career and his stupid antics. Not his pink scarf or macho man entrance song.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This^ to That^^
While if I had a gun to my head and had to say, I would guess that Dana is homophobic. However, after I saw the video and how he said it, he was annoyed at the clowning and then not backing it up, not the gay connotations of a Village People song.
by SteamboatWillie on Feb 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
i dont think a person can be a homophobe on the level
Of pink scarfs annoying you and manage to be on the weigh in stage without poking out your own eyes.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just because you can't relate to something doesn't make you a homophobe.
People are nuts over this shit, and need to get over it. I can’t relate to pink scarves, just like I can’t relate to corny dragon-skull-fire-sparkle shirts. There’s an element to both “life styles” that I have zero interest in. That’s it. I don’t hate either group, just don’t want any part of those people.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the terms are to the death
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no
it shall be to the pain.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
What do YOU mean, "those people"?
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i seriously doubt he was really pissed about the hairy showing
and nothing is wrong with it other then herman lost and the stuff and antics were his claim to fame which Dana of course has to say is a no-no. Its not homophobia, its the fact that he lost
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Come on, Dana's obviously not comfortable with it.
He said he didn’t like the hair before the fight too.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
forrest is just as hairy as him and ebersoles arrow thing and tapout were much worse
He is and was fine with their stuff because they won.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forrest is just as hairy? WHAT?
Let’s compare him to Gonzaga
That’s fucking insane.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
You think we'll seeGonzaga vs. Big Country?
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big country needs an easyish win so no imo
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Based on losers fight losers, Nelson/Meathead is a fun match-up
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Bottom row of the first page, 3rd picture(I’m on a phone so bear with me if I’m off). When he doesn’t shave he’s easily as hairy as Herman.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love Kenny Florian's comment...
“and in the white trunks and brown sweater we have Herman.”
by Hart Thorson on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not the fact he lost. If it was he'd be busting Lawlor's balls
for his elaborate entrances and gassing out by the third round. Does Dana hate gay people? No. But he does live and see things in a heteronormative/homophobic bubble.
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he stands feet and sometimes inches away from guys in tight short shorts
And many a time has to stand there while they remove them from a weigh in. Homophobic behavior at its finest there.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not debating Dana's possible homophobia...
I’m really not. He may or may not be. But to state that the fact he has no problem being near naked or almost naked men is a sign he’s not a homophobe is just nuts. What the hell does one thing have to do with the other?
that was a reference to the comments about hermans pink scarves and the macho man song
just like those comments are being twisted to make him a homophobe, im doing the exact same thing
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Except it doesn't work that way. And I would hope that you'd be smart enough to know that.
It’s like defending Michael Richards’ infamous diatribe, using all of his non-psychotic interactions with black people as evidence. And MMA, in general, is a hypermasculine performance so that stuff isn’t tied to homophobia.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Dana is a homophobe
But I do think he’s worried about the image of the sport. Those who know nothing of MMA, and don’t want to know anything of MMA, have at times referred to fighters in the sport as “a bunch of sweaty guys rolling around in a cage” or view the sport itself as being “pretty gay”. Dana simply doesn’t want people tuning in to UFC for the first time and seeing someone like Dave Herman coming out to Macho Man, he feels it sends out the wrong message about MMA.
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The fur coat he had on was scarier than the pink scarf! Is he the illegitimate son of George “The Animal” Steele? Holy cow, he should have shaved the Zanfief from Street Fighter shape into that mess! Fun card, otherwise, though.
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by Mr. Socko on Feb 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So do I, but Dana actually has a point
Plus, I love the fact that he gets so worked up like a regular avid fan, which ultimately is what he is.
by SteamboatWillie on Feb 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
thats an upside and downside.
He’s a huge fan and I really believe he let’s his emotions rule his decision making way to much. This has positive and negative effects right now but as the sport grows it’ll only cause problems.
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It’s utter BS that they’re letting Floyd fight on that date.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Miguel Torres would agree.
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come on dana dont be scared of the bottom line homie
the judge kissed mayweather’s ass because he brings in MULTI MILLIONS to the las vegas economy every time he fights
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It does make the commission look like a joke though, and it’s egregiously unfair to other athletes.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
which is once a year. How much does zuffa contribute to the economy annually?
by Phildo on Feb 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he only thinks it isnt funny when the guy loses and isnt popular.
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It's interesting about Condit.
It’s cool to see that he can understand Condit waiting for GSP. Hm
bit harsh on Markes/Simpson
Didnt think it was the worst fight?
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 16, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions
ya the salas fight was worse
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yeah that was forgettable
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
wasn’t even that bad. The uppercut from hell was pretty cool. We’ve definitely seen way way worse fights.
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agreed
wasn’t the best fight I’ve ever seen but to go out of his way to criticise it was weird
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, wasn't the best fight ever but that wasn't a terrible fight.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
true but i think obviously less memorable then the simpson markes fight
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We've seen much, much worse.
The overall high quality of the event made those fights seem worse than they were.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
we know sylvia isnt gonna be in the UFC anytime soon
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Yeah they don't have a super heavyweight division
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by menckenstein on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
thats true as well.
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he made the 265 limit on his last bout.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
interesting.
seems like hes really serious about getting into the UFC
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I need sum Timmay in my life
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this one better work
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I wouldn't mind seeing Sylvia get one last stint in the UFC.
I see some epic losses for him though.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see him back
He would have probably made it back too if he didn’t get ko’d by that guy from tuf who got his head split open.
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
i wouldnt mind either and the fight with Abe Wagner was stopped early imo.
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He looked decent against Buentello
Better than Struve did, anyway ;)
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by menckenstein on Feb 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
lol thats not saying much as timmay uses his reach usually
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Struve vs Sylvia would be kinda cool.
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lol that would be funny to watch
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know Tim Sylvia is a joke to a lot of people, but he’s still probably more skilled than guys like Rob Broughton, Phil De Fries, Mark Hunt, Christian Morecraft, Ben Rothwell, John-Olav Einemo. I don’t know if Sylvia’s ever looked as bad as Rothwell looked in his last fight.
Also, a Struve vs Sylvia fight would probably be more competitive than people are willing to admit.
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by RagingNoodles on Feb 16, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hunt would ko him
but I agree with the rest.
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did you watch his fight with abe wagner?
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes but
Sylvia looked pretty bad versus Wagner, early stoppage or not, and his bout with Ray Mercer was an absolute disgrace.
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by SteamboatWillie on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got skill, but think about this: before he left the UFC, Tim was one of the slowest, least athletic heavyweights out there. He’s now almost 4 years older, and is even slower and even less athletic, AND hasn’t faced top level competition for years. Guys like Cain and Dos Santos would eat him alive. I think Struve would be too much for him as well, but that’d at least be an interesting match-up.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
He looked awful against Wagner, and against Mercer. But with the right strategy and conditioning, he could beat a lot of the lower level fighters in the heavyweight division. If Sylvia is smart enough to take Hunt down, he could beat him down easily there. If it stays standing, it’ll be ugly and I can see it going either way to be honest.
The heavyweight division still isn’t that good, no matter how much people would like to pretend it is. It will never be as talent filled as the light-heavyweight division, let alone the welterweight and lightweight divisions.
I did not bring up Velasquez or Dos Santos, I brought up the lower tier level guys. The few elite guys like Dos Santos, Overeem, Velasquez, and Werdum would all murder him. Also guys like Kongo, Mir, Schaub, Browne, and Lavar Johnson would beat him badly too. But the UFC heavyweight division has guys like Joey Beltran, and it wasn’t too long ago that the UFC had Paul Buentello on main cards. Anyone want to argue that someone like Beltran and Phil De Fries are guys that are great that deserve to be in the UFC?
Also, I’m far from a Sylvia fan. Probably the happiest I’ve ever been watching a UFC fight was when Couture ending his boring title reign at UFC 68. Also, watching Fedor destroy him was pretty awesome stuff too.
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by RagingNoodles on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran was cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut De Fries as well after last night. Not saying he deserves it that’s just what they do sometimes.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Also
lol Tim Sylvia. The only reason they’d bring him back is if Brock wanted a tune up bout to come out of retirement.
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Yup, I'll be fine never watching Sylvia fight again.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Diaz vs. Diego Sanchez in 6 mos.?
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Try 12 months at least.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I have a suspicious feeling that the NSAC is going to go easy on Nick.
Sure, based on precedent he could get a year but with Dana on his side, (he clearly is) I just see it going in Diaz’s favor.
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Dana said that Diego has never been finished
but his fight with BJ was stopped, albeit due to a cut, but it was stopped nonetheless and is listed as a TKO loss. Not that big of deal, as I think Dana was just hyped and got carried away, but he was wrong.
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i noticed that to i was gonna comment on it but figured it would be pointed out by another fine be member
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a doctor stoppage. Dana probably doesn’t consider that “being finished.” Diego was worse but that’s like saying Belfort “finished” Couture at UFC 46.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I was at the fight in Omaha
and just to clarify, nobody in my section was booing Struve. We were all shouting “STRUUUUUUUUVE.” I think when he was leaving the arena he was getting more high-fives than almost every other fighter from that night. He was a definite crowd favorite.
Also, we could see the FOX platform where Glazer and Stann were broadcasting from. It was telling that Stann was constantly turning around to watch what was going on in the octagon, but Glazer couldn’t give two shits what was happening.
I didn't realize that
I guess it’s like how Boston fans go “YOUUUUUUUUK” for Kevin Youkilis.
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 16, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
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"Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist."
transcript with extreme artistic license
Intro: Ariel introduces himself and Dana while Dana stands there looking like an angry sunburnt penis
Ariel: (question about fights that just happened)
Dana: so-and-so was the toughest dude so-and-so ever fought
Ariel (question about fights that might/will happen in the future)
Dana: we’ll see what happens, who knows
Ariel: (question about fighters)
Dana: lol I never talk to the fighters
Ariel: (question about basically anything on earth, from the past into the future)
Dana: (Slytherin-style lip-licking) who knows, we’ll see what happens
Ariel: (question about controversial topics)
Dana: WE GETS NO RESPECT. SO-AND-SO IS INCONSISTENT. HEH HEH THEY’RE CONSISTENT AT BEING INCONSISTENT!
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by mollcutpurse on Feb 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So guys..
New vampire nicknames for Ellenberger? The Daywalker?
And how about Sanchez.. Vampire Hunter D-iego?
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
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Menckenstein:
(noun)
Definition: a traditional doll crafted from the stomach hair of obese, unkempt, typically diabetic men who suck at fighting. This type of doll is commonly crafted in the deep South and seems to be exclusively purchased by fans of the NBA franchise the LA Lakers, who believe the dolls give them the power to be as cool as Celtics fans.
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by menckenstein on Feb 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NICE
YUSing, though.
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sylvia
Bring him back. I’m no fan, but he was a big part of the UFC’s success and he can still sell tickets in certain matchups. We need to remember, most people still remember him as the hulking UFC HW champ and have no idea about his struggles since leaving.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get Dana’s problem with Herman’s hair, scarf and walk-out music. It seems they want guys to show some personality, but only if it’s inside their accepted norm. Definitely smells a little of homophobia to me.
Also I’d like Tim Sylvia back.. he’ll never be a top 10 fighter again, but he could serve as a gatekeeper. He does still have a name, and I think he’d be a tough fight for a lot of guys in the UFC. I think he could beat at least Broughton, DeFries, Einemo, Herman, Rothwell, Griggs, Morecraft, Russow. Those kinds of guys. He’s almost 36 years old though so it has to happen now or never.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions
I wonder...
… if it’s more that Dana feels like Herman is mocking MMA as opposed to just making jokes.
I didn’t see the weigh-ins or walk-in’s so I’m not sure. But just because you don’t fully embrace and rub your face in the oiled, sculpted, shaved, six-pack abs of homosexuality doesn’t mean you’re a homophobe. People love to throw that term around any time you say anything most heterosexual males would say.
by Tacoknight on Feb 16, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trust me, I’m not too worried about that stuff generally. Just something I feel like I’ve picked up on in regards to Dana. It’s open to interpretation, since he doesn’t really make clear why he found it so offensive.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 16, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
its simple he lost if Herman won we wouldnt hear about this at all
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Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. Tim Sylvia would be a good gatekeeper, and he would definitely beat that lower tier of the heavyweight division.
I think the only thing that could probably keep him away is if Sylvia’s asking price is too much. Don’t know what his price tag is but Breen was recently talking about how financially well off Sylvia is at this point and how smart he’s been money-wise.
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by RagingNoodles on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn’t made any big purchases other than the Rascal.
I would have a horseshoe surgically implanted in my ass just so Brock would pull it out and beat me over the head with it while I pleasure myself.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Please let him KO Rothwell outof the UFC. He’s just terrible to watch.
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by Machiel Van on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure I'd like to see Tim back in the UFC just yet.
Like Helwani and White discussed, he hasn’t really beaten any name opponents since leaving the UFC, unless you want to count Paul Buentello. He was knocked out by Ray Mercer and just last year he was knocked out by Abe Wagner. Plus, his last fight was just awful to watch. He’s walked into almost all of his recent fights at over 300 lbs. and just looks to be in terrible shape. He still looks 300+ lbs. in the video he put out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qxKYiJysDnI
If he wants back in, he needs to fight and beat at least one more top name and drop all of that fucking fat. Maybe then I’d like to see him return and possibly face Stefan Struve.
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Huge mutherfuking fan of Jon Fitch and Jon Jones.
he made 265 in his last fight
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There aren’t a huge amount of credible opponents out there for him to beat. The Wagner fight he shouldn’t have taken, it was on short notice and he was very out of shape. I think he has looked fairly good in some of the other fights I’ve seen, good point though about his last one. Either way he still has some name value, and could serve some sort of purpose in the UFC (at least for a few fights). I think there was even more of a case for it before they announced the SF heavyweights coming over though, now it’s not as valuable but I’d still like to see it.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
its not homophobia seriously this is getting annoying.
its simply the fact that he lost and doesnt take anything seriously.
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That’s just your opinion, man. He clearly had a big problem with the body hair, scarf, and song. Why? He even said something about it before the fights. The fight and his performance there is a completely different issue.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
if he won you wouldnt hear a word about it
the body hair is bullshit simply because of this
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when has dana said a word about this^
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I don’t see how that’s relevant. I’m talking about Dave Herman, not Forrest Griffin. It wasn’t just the hair, it was a pink scarf and a Village People song that he didn’t like either.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 16, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt like those because he lost thats its
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And yet he likes Tom Lawlor's entrances that have caused Lawlor to gas and lose fights?
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