UFC On Fuel TV: Diego Sanchez Vs. Jake Ellenberger Fight Results And Post-Fight Analysis
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 AM EST
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I'll get to giving Jake Ellenberger his credit in a few minutes, but first I have to ask the most important question of the evening: Why was the main event between Ellenberger and Diego Sanchez not five rounds? We were told that Diego was a win away from a title shot and we know that Ellenberger is in the proverbial "mix" at the top of the division. I fail to see how this fight didn't deserve the same treatment as all other main event fights between contenders. We were robbed of the drama of a final two rounds between two men who were putting on a great show and should have been proving their ability to go five rounds and be ready to be fully in the conversation for a title shot.
Ellenberger deserved the win, but I think rounds four and five would have proved a lot about both men and their readiness for a shot at Carlos Condit.
Update: As soon as I hit publish, Dana White said at the press conference that they blew it and the main event should have been five rounds and they will be in the future.
On to the notes from the evening:
- Jake Ellenberger looked great for the majority of the first two rounds. He is one of the few fighters where moving around the cage is actual solid and legitimate footwork, not just walking in different directions. His movement sets up his strikes and he transitions from movement to sitting down with power on his punches beautifully. He is worthy of a shot at Carlos Condit over the summer and that's a fight that the UFC should look to make.
- Diego could have mentally broken as the fight seemed to slip away, but in round three it was Diego looking to make something happen from the opening bell. He was getting the better of striking exchanges in the third and Jake got the takedown but Diego was able to take advantage of a small mistake and get dominant position and fire away with strikes. It was a bit short of a 10-8 round, but Diego made sure that he put on a performance that keeps him as a viable top-end fighter at 170 pounds.
- Ellenberger became the last fighter on the night to not understand that when Jon Anik asks what you want next, that they want a soundbyte to use hyping up a future fight. Calling out Condit in front of a ravenous fanbase would have been a great moment. Bust out a "you know I won the first time" or something. Hype up a fight and make fans want to see it.
- Stefan Struve remains one of my favorite fighters on the planet. He is flawed enough to make fights exciting, but good enough to pull out wins in exciting fashion. For all of Struve's faults, Dave Herman is just as flawed and even more vulnerable to allow other men to exploit those flaws. And that's exactly what happened as Struve managed to find his rhythm in the second round and use combinations to drop him, get mount and finish.
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- Ronny Markes looked good, but for some reason I'm still not a big fan. His toughness getting through being blasted by Aaron Simpson in the first round was commendable, but I'm still waiting to see just a little more from Markes before I'm ready to really jump on that bandwaggon.
- Philip De Fries pushes his punches so much that getting into a firefight with Stipe Miocic was destined to end poorly. Miocic's striking is not as good as advertised due to the (almost always pointless) "golden gloves champion" title, but he has more snap on his punches so he was able to finish him off.
- T.J. Dillashaw put a beating on Walel Watson that was simultaneously dominant and disappointing. While Dillashaw put a beating on Watson, he wasn't able to get a finish despite constant dominant position, it left a bit to be desired even while being impressive.
- Poor Ivan Menjivar and John Albert. Those two had a fantastic one round battle that Menjivar won with a rear naked choke but it was so early in the broadcast that it was basically forgotten by the main event, and the main event was a better fight anyway. But those guys deserve credit for going out and putting on a fun show in the broadcast opener.
- Jonathan Brookins is a legit talent. He was able to survive some early good moments by Vagner Rocha, take advantage of getting mount and then show real killer instinct. I think the next two years are going to show some real growth on the part of Brookins as he establishes himself.
- I'd rather not talk about Justin Salas against Anton Kuivanen. I though that fight was horrible.
- Tim Means looked really impressive in his fight against Bernardo Magalhaes in the show opening bout. I think Magalhaes should be released on this performance, but Means was very solid in using the knees and combination striking that just dominated Magalaes.
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diego @155
Absolutely. Diego just seems to get smaller and smaller (everywhere but the stomach) compared to the rest of the WW division. Even his hands and feet look tiny.
Sanchez vs. Nate Diaz, or Bendo, or Lauzon, etc.
all great
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by SSreporters on Feb 15, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, he looked lean at WW.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
From the presser:
Sanchez: There’s always a possibility for me to go back to 155. It’s hard for me to stay at 170. I have to lift weights a lot.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 15, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
He's the definition of a "tweener"
I remember reading about his diets to make 155, and how absolutely brutal they were. He has trouble at 170 because he is forced to bulk up beyond his prime level.
The UFC really needs to think about a 162.5 weight class
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think I’m one of the only people that digs the YUS thing.
Maybe because I really respect Anthony Robbins. Guy is a guru for a reason.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
He wasted two million dollars worth of Kanye West's time.
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Joke or not?
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Not a joke. He even apologized for it.
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by pdl on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate Kobe, but that commercial is pretty funny.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
5th highest scorer of all time, son.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Watch the whole series. It's legitimately fantastic.
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by pdl on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You're welcome.
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by pdl on Feb 16, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
White men can't jump, so this can't be real.
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Blake Griffin is bi-racial, so it's all good.
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160 is Diazweight, as seen in EliteXC.
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by VenusBlue on Feb 16, 2012 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The UFC does not need more weight classes
We can do Franklinweight but nothing more.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
195 would be great. having 10 lb weight classes as the standard would be ideal, but it would dilute the talent too much. Plus you can’t really get rid of a weight class with a dominant and popular champion.
That being said, Having more weight classes= more champions= more championship fights on PPV?
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
it would become to much like boxing which is what the ufc is trying to avoid
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I’m not saying the UFC will ever do it. But a 20 lbs gap between weight classes is massive.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
its only like that between light heavyweight and middleweight
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eventually the talent pool will become so saturated that the only plausible reaction would be to make new weight classes
Cruiserweight, and something b/t Light and Welter would be my first choices
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
i doubt it will happen anytime soon
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i meant to add a "probably when we're old men" line
but that assumes you’re around my age.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
im 20
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
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I don't think he touches a title belt at lightweight
But I think he can definitely be competitive in that division, maybe even get another title shot.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I definitely like him better at 170.
He seems to have alot more energy at welter.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Until the Penn fight
I thought Diego looked really imposing at 155. I’d love to see a rematch with KenFlo at that weight as a way to re-showcase a couple of long time contenders.
Absolutely a fight that has enough name value to be a Fuel/FX headliner. Or Fox/PPV co-main eventer.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not streaming. Sadly.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought Brookins was ever good.
I figured if he couldn’t get the takedown, he was screwed, but I’m glad I was wrong. He seemed like a nice guy on TUF. Good for him.
He still isn't. Rocha is just considerably worse
Brookins is going to be a gatekeeper at 145.
is Pearson fighting anyone? I’d give Brookins to him.
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by SSreporters on Feb 15, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I like Brookins more than you, but I like Pearson/Brookins a lot.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
No need to hate me :(
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by SSreporters on Feb 15, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I would like to see Hettes vs. Brookins
Both are scrambly grapplers, so I think that fight would be pretty cool.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hettes by being a better fighter.
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True
But he did kind of gas late against Phan, so I wouldn’t be shocked if Brookins could rally late. Luckily he just beat him down so epically that Phan was even more gassed out in the end.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I like that.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
No, Brookins is good
Cerrone couldn’t finish Rocha in three rounds and Cerrone had some size on Rocha. Brookins also looked more muscular/stronger this time around, and he seemed relaxed and confident. He’s a smart young fighter, has a good clinchwork, nice lateral drop, nice ground game too.You could see he knew what to do and once the situation allowed him he finished Rocha.
If Diego drops to 155 I’d really dig him vs. Guillard
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions
Seriously there are so many fights for Diego at 155 that he could win
And become a contender again now that Penn isn’t there to snap his head around.
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by SSreporters on Feb 15, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Diego vs. Cowboy. So much.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
for sure
id prefer diego vs pettis lauzon loser or guillard…maynard & guida r both coming off loses too but guida is at jackson and maynard might be to high up
by JonBon Joey on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
A bit off topic
The only camp I can think off that fights each other is Golden Glory.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only other one that comes to mind is...
Roop and Hominick. Other than that, I think you’re right.
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Still, just saying it would kick extra ass.
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He would win IMO, too much “gameness”
by Afrotikiman on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“Ellenberger became the last fighter on the night to not understand that when Jon Anik asks what you want next, that they want a soundbyte to use hyping up a future fight.”
So true.
Diego, on the other hand, sounded like he was angling for a rematch with Diaz. Given how their first fight went, I say go for it.
Diaz is vastly improved while Sanchez isn't
But it would still be nuts for five rounds.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
But it would still be nuts forfivetwo rounds.
Diaz would TKO the shit out of Diego. 3 rds at the longest.
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At the same time
Diaz hits guys a lot more than Ellenberger, and pure volume is a good way to get to someones chin. Look at Paul Daley. He had never really been legitimately knocked out until Diaz started teeing off on him.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ellenberger, sharp as he is, throws 1 or 2 power shots at a time. Diaz swarms. Imagine if Jake had put the pressure on while Diego put his own back against the fence and traded shots for half of round 1? Diego doesn’t control the cage well, doesn’t defend punches well, and doesn’t have success with his takedowns unless you move backwards.
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Have you seen their first fight?
I think a rematch would be very competitive.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone who says different probably hasn’t seen the first fight. Diaz still can’t stop the takedown, and Diego is still a solid wrestler.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
I have seen the first fight.
Diego is basically the same fighter he was then, though he’s been having almost zero success with his takedowns lately. Like SSreporters said below:
Diego Sanchez is 4 of 59 in takedown attempts in his last 5 fights.Diaz, on the other hand, has improved dramatically since that first fight. Granted, his wrestling hasn’t been tested yet and that’s his biggest weakness, but given how anemic Diego has been with the takedown lately, given that he needs to get the other man moving backwards to mount any offense, and given that Nick is great at moving forward and keeping pressure on guys that have crappy footwork like Diego, I don’t think a second meeting would look much like the first.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Diego hasn't been successful with takedowns, because look at who he's fought-
- BJ Penn- LEGENDARY takedown defense.
- Hathaway- strong grappler, and Hathaway hurt him badly, early.
- Thiago- Diego may have gone 2 for 8 on takedowns against him, but he made those takedowns fucking COUNT. And one of those takedowns involved Sanchez running across the cage and emitting primal war cry, and slamming the shit out of Paulo.
- Kampmann- some of the most technical takedown defense in the game. Guy isn’t an easy takedown for anyone.
- Ellenberger- POWERHOUSE wrestler.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, epic fail
BJ Penn couldn’t take him down, and he is a much better wrestler than Sanchez in every way.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's actually not true.
Penn took Diaz down in the first and briefly had his back.
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That was after a knockdown wasnt it?
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Pretty sure it was a takedown.
Not 100% tho.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
BJ doesn't have the kind of endurance at 170 that Diego has.
When he was fresh, Baby Jay got Nick on his back.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Diaz might be looking at a year long suspension
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He might be able to challenge and get it reduced to six months
I wouldn’t be shocked.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
this incompetent commission
if chael can, he can
i hear all you have to do is turn up and they’ll reduce it
then again i love diaz so i’m happy with this for now
I didn't hear much of Diego's post-fight speech.
I muted when he started complaining about his ankle.
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I think it's somewhat silly to
A.) Even think Sanchez was close to a 10-8 round based on 90 seconds of a five minute round. Especially since prior to Ellenberger losing position he took Diego down and then after Ellenberger survived the punchfest he escaped Diego’s backmount and landed two flush strikes to close out the fight.
B.) Assume that Diego would likely win rounds 4 and 5 in a hypothetical five round fight. Bar one or two exchanges, I don’t think Sanchez clearly won any striking battle on the feet. It could have changed if Ellenberger’s hand is supposedly injured, or Jake could’ve crushed him with knees. Either way, I would’ve liked to see this go five.
Also, if every main event is going to be five rounds from now on, I highly doubt they can do it to Alves/Kampmann and they legally cannot do it for Lil Nog/Gustafsson.
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They'd get arrested for accessory to manslaughter if they gave Gustafsson five rounds to punch Lil Nog.
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because lil nog can’t box
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Gustafsson uses his reach really well, has sick power
And yeah Lil Nog can box, he just only does it with one hand. His right hand is trash.
Gustafsson probably can get a TKO if he wanted but I’m thinking he’ll take a decision
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I think Nog's boxing technique will win him that fight.
He does tend to overuse the left hand, but he’ll find plenty of openings on gustafsson, who can get a bit wild at times.
Gustaffson hasn't been wild at all in his last two outings
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Nog's pretty hittable too. I'll be picking The Mauler on this one
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Gustaf has good boxing credentials himself.
He’s significantly bigger than Rogerio, and is the fresher athlete at this point.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ellenberger looked to be visibly fading more than Diego to me. I can’t guarantee Diego would have won 4 and 5. But I think they would have been damn good fights.
And why not do it for both of those fights? They’re great fights and should be 5 rounds. Honestly…probably 50% of UFC bouts should be 5 rounds.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
There's no way they would change Alves/Kampmann to five rounds on 16 days notice
And Sweden doesn’t allow five round fights.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot that fight was so close. So..yeah
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'm down with the idea that was floated before
If you’re on the UFC maincard, its five rounds.
If you’re on the undercard, 3 rounds
ME/Title Fights should be 7 rounds
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
How about title fights with 10X3 minute rounds and 30 seconds of break between the rounds? It adds essentially a 5 minute round with a 1 minute break
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
if we're gonna go fantasy
I’d rather 7 minute rounds or something to that effect. 3 minutes isn’t enough for the BJJ guys to work their juju
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
juju? lol
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Troof.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'd love 10 minute rounds for title fights.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 16, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
No, 3 minutes is far too short for MMA.
5 rounds main card fights
7 rounds title fights
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Same.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Are you trying to kill all heavyweights?
7 round fights are probably gonna look ugly for MW and up.
Title fights.
I think the top guys can handle it.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
I also agree.
But save the 7 rounders for special occasions. Or leave an option open to go 7 if the fight is close.
My opinion is keep it at 3 rounds but do 3, 10 minute rounds instead. More time for each person to work in there respective art.
Part of the reason that MMA has less classic fights than boxing is that we're limited by time
If you look at a lot of the best fights during a year, a large majority of them are five rounders for a reason.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Problem with that is
1. It will ultimately lead to less fights per card
2. Less fights per year
3. Less fighters on the UFC roster
4. Fewer opportunities for guys to make a living being full-time fighters
Also, for every fight that would have been a classic with two extra rounds. You will see six fights where guys paced themselves and had to drag through two gassed, sloppy rounds.
Part of the reason MMA has taken over boxings market share is that it’s decided quickly. And it can hold our shortening attention spans. I hate to see the UFC mess up a good thing by over reacting to one fights outcome every three months.
As Chael Sonnen said himself “25 minutes is too long for someone to sit around and watch anything”.
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totally agree
most fighters don’t have the conditioning to go for long fights like that
countless fighters gas in 3 rounds and the state of affairs hasn’t improved in years, so it’s hard to say that more rounds will force cardio evolution
I agree with your first point
but not the conclusions you draw from it.
It might not impact the number fights per year at all- the UFC could just do the same number of fights over more cards. More free cards on FX and Fuel, saving the best of the best for PPV.
It wouldn’t necessarily reduce the number of fighters on roster either.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Another couple of possible consequences then
Is that we will see fewer fights per card. So that might lead to cards being less what would have been the best fight on the card.
We also might run into a situation where a card having 8 fights instead of 11 will lead to a short night of fights if you end up with a night of really fast stoppages.
Also, you run the risk of just prolonging out and making much worse some boring fights. For every fight where you really wish there was an extra couple of rounds. There will be several that we wished were shorter.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
I conceded your first point, I think that will happen if matches are longer
there will always be boring fights though. I don’t think longer matches will necessarily lead to more of them. I guess I’m biased cause I came into MMA fandom as a boxing fan, and am used to watching the best boxers go 36 minutes. There’s still a “wtf” moment when I see a 10 round fight on HBO/Showtime or especially ppv. In my opinion, alot of the real fights are just beginning at the 15 minute mark.
You are 100% right about what happens if 6 of the 8 ppv bouts are finished quickly… and I got no answer to that :-\
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get
Why nobody realises that fighters fight differently in a 5 round fight compared to a 3 round fight. Saying “Diego would’ve won that fight if it had lasted two more rounds” makes no sense – “that fight” only lasted 3 rounds. I happen to think Diego could beat Berger in a 5 round fight but it makes no sense to assume that a 5 round fight would go Diego’s way based on Ellenberger gassing late in a 3 round fight.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Sports fans always do that
“If Tom Brady hadn’t been called for intentional grounding in the first quarter, the Patriots wouldn’t have let the Giants score at the end of the game.” Except the circumstances of the game would have been different and no one knows if things would have played out the same way.
I agree, we have no way of knowing how Sanchez or Ellenberger would have approached the fight differently if they had known they had to go for 10 more minutes.
Having said that, I sure wish we could have seen a fourth round!
by MichaelDavidSmith on Feb 16, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
so agree
I was looking like my dog does when I talk to him you know head cocked sideways, when I saw the 10-8 thing. That’s a Cecil right there.
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by Bloodsport on Feb 16, 2012 12:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They can do it for Lil Nog and Gustafsson...
if they agree to a modification of the contract.
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Sub-Menjivar
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Agreed.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
Sucks for Albert
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
it really does btw is he jewish?
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How?
He lost fair and square. The only thing that sucks is that Sanchez and Ellenberger was awesome. If it wasn’t, he and menjivar also would’ve gotten FOTN.
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Albert-Menjivar
Was way better than Ellenberger-Sanchez.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, but I think they got it due to length of the fight.
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Which is bullshit
If a longer fight is almost as exciting over the course of 3 rounds then by all means it should be FotN, but when Sanchez-Ellenberger was sort of good and Albert-Menjivar was ridiculously awesome it’s an easy choice for me.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
At least he got it right with Brandao/Bermudez.
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I wonder how many 1 round fights have won FOTN?
Off the top of my head: Belcher/Gouveia, Bermudez/Brandao, Silva/Griffin.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
i think they also like to give main events fotn if possible
gsp-kos was an exception, for some reason dana wanted to give it to pierson-riddle, which was a disgrace
Personally, I though Brookins deserved the KO.
It was vicious, it was a surprise, and most saw a Miocic KO coming.
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I'm kinda glad Diego lost.
I’m fine with fighters thanking god and all, but he kinda bugged me tonight with the way he carried that cross to cage.
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by SSreporters on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm curious what your score was for this event.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
30-26 Satan
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Lol,
but I meant your playground score.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
60 points.
I did fucking awful tonight.
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You still did better than 60% of BE
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
i got 40
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It was a really hard card to call.
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the hot bout saved my ass to be honest
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Yeah.
I can’t believe I almost picked Anton.
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10/11 for 67. bitchesssss
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by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
How the hell can you get 10/11 out of 9 fights?
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I beat average again?
Awesome. I’d love to meet Dallas in person and give him a hug. His breakdown and the knowledge of Salas’ collegiate wrestling pedigree and Anton’s gas tank were the reasons that I switched from Anton by tko to Salas by UD.
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Everybody had Salas UD
Most everybody got the rest wrong, though.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Struve by second round tko and Brookins by first round KO.
Who the fuck would’ve thought?
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
368.
Ahoy-hoy.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not bad at all.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by PistonHyundai on Feb 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think I got 55
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t figure out what was going on with Struve in the first round, but I almost wonder if he was just buying his time and letting Pee Wee wear down. In the second round, Dave looked really out of it and Struve came out way stronger and putting together combinations instead of single strikes at a time.
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Struve is a slow starter
and is one of those fighters that I’ll never really figure out.
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Matches to make:
Ellenberger/Condit
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I doubt Florian's recovering.
He’s already in talks of retiring. Plus, he doesn’t need it, with UFC Tonight, the commentary job, and he runs a very successful gym.
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Kampmann (If he wins) vs. Ellenberger sounds nice. Winner getting a re-match with Condit.
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He needs to be locked in a room for a month and forced to watch film of Semmy Schilt. His coach would not speak to him except to say the words “jab” and “front kick”.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, he needs to be locked in a room and forced to watch Paul Williams.
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Also acceptable
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get why Struve has never tried to train with Schilt.
Or at least brought him in as a training partner. That said, Struve honestly didn’t do that bad, trading with Herman. He DID rock him with that uppercut, and provide the opportunity for the fight ending mount.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I was impressed with the way he turned it up in the second round and started putting his combinations together. What’s frustrating, though, is that he could be much, much better than he is right now. Schilt is a bit reclusive in his training, so maybe he’s not open to working with Struve, but even if that never ends up happening I hope that his trainers really emphasize using his distance.
Side note: Struve’s progression is starting to look eerily like Overeem’s, minus the sojourn at 205 and against a lower level of competition. As he’s gotten bigger, his chin’s improving, and his striking is catching up to his grappling.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's a matter of his chin improving,
but a matter of him not getting hit hard and flush like he has in the past. Barry and Herman both tagged him a few times, but nothing like what Cigano, Nelson, and Browne hit him with.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
His defense is getting better
But Junior, Big Country, and Browne all hit him with heavy single shots that either clean KO’d him or led to a barrage on the ground. He took some big shots from Barry and Herman, and I don’t think Country and Browne hit any less hard than those two. He’s not getting hit as many times, but I’d argue that his ability to take a single shot has improved.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
*harder, not less hard
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
looks like Nick Diaz thought diego won. This is from his twitter account:
Diego Sanchez won regardless what the judges think that’s what the fight showed !
Sad night for old Jake E had this been real shit he would be dead!
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except what nick thinks doesnt matter at all
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Once again fighters make the worst judges
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
not the worst per se
there is just alot of possibility of bias towards their fighting style imo
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
he isnt biased, hes nuts
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by benten20 on Feb 16, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
oh nick
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Diaz doesn’t have a twitter account, its pretty well known that the only way to contact him on the internet is through his youtube account
by jammin.. on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hilarious if true
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
so they are!
an eclectic set of tastes
the man’s fascinating
also who knew he was a brotha lynch fan
Diaz is a G from Cali and
Who the fuck isn’t a Brotha Lynch fan?
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true, brotha lynch fell back on quick
last two albums were sick
hasn’t released anything since coathanga strangla, right?
dunno why i assumed diaz would be into some more rock-y type stuff
Hmmm
Don’t know what happened. The post was something along the lines of
“lol
literally listening to Lynch’s “Dinner and a movie” right now."
lol
Literally listening to Lynch’s “Dinner and a movie” album right now.
He’s had some duds, but Lynch still puts out some good shit.
I see Diaz still hasn't stopped hitting the bong
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Whether he really said this or not
I can see the “Diaz scoring system” slowly becoming a meme.
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Matches to make
Ellenberger vs. Condit
Sanchez vs. Edgar/Hendo loser
Struve vs. Kongo/Hunt winner
Herman vs. De Fries
Markes vs. Dollaway
Simpson vs. Dan Miller
Miocic vs. Mitrione or Barry/Hunt loser
De Fries vs. Don’t Care
Dillashaw vs. Denis
Watson vs. Papazian
Brookins vs. Pearson
Salas vs. Don’t Care
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throwing him in vs bendo or edgar is a bit much for his first fight back at lw
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If Diego was a top 5 LW with a title shot without ever beating a top 10 fighter
They’d gladly throw him Bendo or Edgar.
If you want to give him someone easier than Guillard, Pettis, or Lauzon.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Guida was not a top 10 ranked fighter at the time they fought
I’d totally be down for a rematch, though.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
are you sure? he was on a 3 fight win streak at the time which was topped off by nate diaz
plus diego fought him after fighting stevenson who just fought penn. he mustve been top ten at the time
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nevermind he fought and lost to florian before that
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Yea thats wut i was thinking
thot he lost the diaz fight tho
by JonBon Joey on Feb 16, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Quick check of the Sherdog June and July 2009 rankings
Suggest neither Sanchez nor Guida was ranked in the top 10. This was the case before and after their fight.
Lemme check BE rankings.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
makes no sense as diego go a title shot right after
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Makes perfect sense
It was one of the best fights ever and they wanted to capitalize on Diego’s war. Didn’t deserve the shot at all, but from a marketing standpoint it did great on PPV
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
i guess thats true
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Well, and the rest of the top ten was splintered between DREAM, Bellator, and Strikeforce.
Two years passed, those guys mostly passed their prime so it’s easy to judge now, but Diego was legitimately the best LW available to the UFC at the time.
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They could've given it to Edgar straight away after the Sherk fight
But Diego is….Diego.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
The leadup to Penn/ Sanchez was awesome
And then Penn almost put Diego down in the first minute, and Diego spent the next four rounds hugging BJs leg
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Best part was the PPV promo
“In his mind, Diego Sanchez is already champion……”
And then his head turned into a vagina.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fightmetric stats on that fight were terrible
no takedowns, and like 8 strikes total landed for Sanchez right?
A guy with awesome takedown defense and precision boxing is a complete mismatch for Diego.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
BJ Penn slapped himself in the face to celebrate the win
more times than Diego actually hit him in the fight. Real stat. 
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This Penn?
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aren't they both with Jackson though?
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
YUS
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I wouldn't
Sanchez beat him down ten eight status in the first and won every round after that.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Guida barely did anything in that fight
The first round he got destroyed. The second round he got a takedown and got his face pounded in with elbows. The third was closer, but I still gave it to Sanchez.
Guida is probably the worst offensive fighter in his division outside of taking the back once or twice in a scramble.
by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Finnish dude will stay
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by AwkwardBoner on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
uhh
Herman vs. De Fries
De Fries vs. Don’t Care
Three man cage match.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
who was the top 10 at that time?
not trying to call u out but im kinda interested to see the rankings ffrom then compared to now
Here we are
Sanchez #12 and Guida #19.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Its crazy looking back
on that now & seeing how awful the rankings look in this day in most the weight classes
I lost points on Herman, but I'm so glad he got his shit rocked.
He referred to jiu-jitsu as “gay”. Glad to see Struve pound him out from full mount.
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Same
Although it was the “jiu-jitsu doesn’t work on me” comment that annoyed me.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
He repeatedly rips on it.
If he knew some fucking jiu-jitsu, he could’ve gotten back to half guard and saved me some points.
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by kreally on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he shoulda gave up his back and snuck out the back door again
but I think he was too gassed/rocked to flip over with struve on him that time.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think this will be the last time I pick against Struve.
Dude almost always finds a way to win.
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Except when he loses.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
And loses badly
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well obviously.
That’s why I said “almost”. He was losing to Stojnic, Morecraft, McCorkle, and Herman and still came back to finish them all.
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He's a really slow starter
Which is why they can’t give him any HW in the top 15 because they’d make his brain cease functionality.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hopefully he starts using that jab more... it was a damn effective combo opener when he threw it like he meant it instead of just as a range finder
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
He has such long limbs and such potential to be a decent striker, but he's so awkward on the feet.
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He looked a lot smoother tonight than he has in the past. He’s like a puppy growing into his body.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
team quest
always has slacked on the jiu jitsu:
Couture got styled on by Nog
Sonnen and triangles
Hendo is a turtle when put on his back
Lindlad is the best grappler of the bunch but he still gets tapped by elite grapplers.
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Ed Herman is/was a Quest guy, right? He’s a solid grappler. The exception that proves the rule maybe?
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by VenusBlue on Feb 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it depends on which Quest gym
because Vinny used to train with one of them and actually got some of them grappling pretty well.
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I watched his fight with Bustamante the other day: man, Murilo looked awesome in that fight. It’s a shame he didn’t stay in the UFC instead of pretending to be a light heavy in Pride.w
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by VenusBlue on Feb 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jon Anik and Kenny Florian were weak tonight
And Florian is the main problem. He does more play by play than Rogan and thinks every punch has someone “in huge trouble”.
Anik has got to be more assertive and make some good calls instead of letting Kenny run the show. I think I want Couture as analyst or an Anik/Rogan test run.
Oh yeah, Anik is still better than Goldberg and he certainly doesn’t handle criticism of his commentary like Mikey does (actual tweets from Goldie):
https://twitter.com/#!/MFG16/status/168596269818851328
another keyboard coward..grab a headset or shut the fuck up…good talk
dumb ass..my kids are on twitter and have more class and education then you do…grow the fuck up
Oops, just actually read a bunch of your tweets, u r just a dumb fuck, good talk’
The UFC hires some classy folk to be on camera, don’t they? Can you imagine Jim Nantz telling people to suck his cock?
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What they were tweeting to him was hardly constructive criticism.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Most comments on Twitter aren't constructive
Doesn’t mean you have to reply to them.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Right, not at all classy by Goldberg, beginning to think Cory or whoever was right about him being drunk.
But there’s a difference between criticism and flat-out insulting someone.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oh they're definitely insulting
But if Joe Buck came across a comment on twitter saying “Buck sux he’s boring as shit” and Buck replied with “blow me u dumb fuck” it would be A.) The most exciting thing Buck has ever said and B.) Completely out of line for a professional to say.
I mean, among Dana, Rogan (although he makes crude statements as a job), Goldberg, and the Fertittas the UFC has to have the worst knowledge of how PR works. Ever. The shit they say wouldn’t fly in any other industry in sport/entertainment.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
It’s sort of a chicken and the egg thing. Is Zuffa allowed to get away with these things because they don’t have full mainstream media coverage, or are they not fully accepted into the mainstream because of things like this?
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'd tend to side with the latter
Because they’re mainstream enough that the Anonymous hacking made the news and their fight results and news are updated on ESPN’s ticker.
I think for the most part their biggest employees acting like idiots on the internet hurts them. Imagine if they did go “full mainstream”, Dana White won’t stop. Joe Rogan won’t stop. Goldberg might stop but who knows?
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I really wouldn't have cared that Goldberg did this
except for the fact that he comes off like a little kid trying to talk shit.
Anik wasn't better than Goldberg tonight
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Did Anik say inane shit like Werdum's knees are reminiscent of Anderson Silva's?
If not, he’s better.
Anik had an off-night. It’ll take time.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think Kenny said Ellenbergers counters were like "anderson silva stuff" or some such
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Goldy says multiple indefensible things every event.
He said nobody in MMA knew how to be damaging with knees in the clinch before Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin. Like Wanderlei Silva and Shogun never existed.
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by Austin Martin on Feb 16, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Mithch Hedburg,.Green all day every day!
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Goldie makes a ton of mistakes
But he’s still my favourite PBP guy because of his ability to keep things going. Ranallo is insufferable, Sean Wheelock is terrible (Jimmy Smith is decent, though) and Anik has had one good and one bad event.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Goldy is terrible at his job. Legitimately awful at it.
He has a pretty voice but zero content to communicate and no grasp on the action. In addition, he speaks with terrible grammar, flow, sentence structure.
Mike Goldberg is ignorant and incompetent. His commentary is bad and he should feel bad.
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by pdl on Feb 16, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Goldy doesn't even do his job
Rogan does it for him most of the time.
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by Tats16 on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh Goldy does his job
He advertises stuff like the next PPV and sponsers. Thats all Dana wants him to do, convince people to buy shit with his pretty voice while Rogan carries the fight commentary.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 16, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Anik's debut
Was excellent. Tonight he seemed bereft of confidence – he relied on Goldberg-esque “90 seconds to go” calls and obviously read from a script most of the night instead of calling the fights.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how to explain it, but there’s something good about Goldie that Anik doesn’t have. He’s got a natural charismatic TV voice, basically. As long as he sticks to what he’s good at, basic info, set-up questions for Joe to explain things to casual fans, and plugging sponsors, I think he’s fine. People here complain all the time, but it’s not like the majority of people watching UFC events are actually dwelling on some weird fantasy that Goldie is diminishing the quality of the fights they’re watching.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Anik doesn't have a deep voice
Or a classic broadcasting style that you hear from old boxing clips.
I think that’s lacking in most sports, though. So clearly we need a British voice on the UFC.
Something similar to this commentary of Khan/Prescott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think Anik would be better suited for what Glazer is doing now.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 16, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Here's how I'd handle UFC on FOX
Anik as host (dump Menefee), Couture as analyst. Goldberg and Rogan do their thing as announcers. Hell I think there’s a legit case to do this for PPVs like boxing does for major cards.
Smaller cards let Anik and Couture commentate with Todd Harris as host and a rotating wheel of pro fighters as guests.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Goldberg.
Hire Quadros and Bas.
I wish they would fire Rogan too, but I appear to be in the minority as a Rogan-hater.
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by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Feb 16, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
really? i thought he was good yesterday
Anyone is better than Goldie at this point. Just the fact that Anik spoke in full sentences, and used proper grammar was enough to put him over Goldberg in my book.
Not to mention he doesn’t say half the crazy shit that comes of out Golide’s mouth.
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Wow, if I did the math right
Diego Sanchez is 4 of 59 in takedown attempts in his last 5 fights. 1-15 vs. Kampmann, 0-1 vs. Ellenberger, 0-27 vs. Penn, 2-8 vs. Thiago, 1-8 vs. Hathaway. That has to be the worst percentage in UFC history.
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Jesus and didn't he fail at like 27 attempts against penn?
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That's why I said 0-27 vs. Penn
Yep.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
But wasn't it something crazy,
like missing 27 straight TDs against Penn?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Feb 16, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I remember him missing at least 26 of them.
Can’t remember if he got the last one or not.
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by gzl5000 on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Scanned too quick and saw Hathaway was the last one you listed, so I thought they were in chronological order.
Either way, that’s ridiculous.
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That's awful.
I doubt Sanchez can compete at the top of the division anymore, but with all the FOTN bonuses he makes, at least he can pay off his debt and possibly retire early.
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He probably would have won a 5 round fight tonite against a guy who should be challenging for the Interim title in his next fight.
I’d say that’s competing at the top of the division.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's batting .500 when he should be 1-3 in his last 4
With a woeful blowout loss to Hathaway, a comeback vs. Thiago, an ass kicking against Kampmann, and for the most part an ass kicking vs. Ellenberger. He was knocked down in all of his recent losses and then the Kampmann fight.
The top of the division would nuke him. Hendricks would wreck him. GSP isn’t even a debate. Alves probably would chop his legs off. Kampmann already beat him but the judges were as blind as Diego was in that fight.
I think if he goes back to LW he can be an instant contender again. But at WW? Too many fighters who will stifle his aggressive style and too many power-punchers who would hit him again and again.
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying he's gonna get the title. Ever.
But he’s definitely competitive with the top of the division, even at WW. Basically a WW Clay Guida.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's actually a great comparison for him.
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True, but he still has that loss to hathaway and should've lost to Kampmann.
I don’t think he’s suited for welterweight. Lightweight he could probably challenge again.
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Did anyone else think it was possible that Ellenberger broke his hand in the second round?
I thought I saw him shake it out really quickly. Then he seemed hesitant to throw the right that he was countering with beautifully all night. When he took Diego down and started unleashing those hellbows, it was just added evidence in my mind. But he never said anything like that after the fight so who knows. If any of you rewatch the fight soon, look for that in the second round. Then Jake becomes really hesitant to throw any with his right hand.
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He definitely didn't seem as willing to strike and was really pressing for the elbows on the ground at the end of the 2nd.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if he did break it.
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I even forgot to mention he threw a standing elbow from clinch range. Just adds to my thought.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, Jake doesn’t seem the type to list off all his injuries whether they happened in the fight or before the fight. /cough Diego /cough
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I mentioned this in the BE Radio thread
But it’s pretty clear to me that most Greg Jackson fighters are extremely flawed strikers, offensively or defensively. GSP exempt, look at Guida, Jardine, Sanchez, Garcia, Cerrone, Rashad from the Machida to Rampage fight, and Jon Jones don’t have significant problems with one of:
- Offensive boxing (Jones especially, Sanchez, Leonard) Defensive striking (Guida, Jardine, Sanchez, Garcia, and Akiyama is new but add him)
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- Head Movement (Sanchez, Jardine, Cerrone, and Garcia have none) Footwork (Jardine, Jones, Sanchez)
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It’s become fairly noticeable in the last 4 months or so. What keeps these guys going is that everyone except Jardine has a pretty good chin, and I think it glosses over the weaknesses they have and why guys like Sanchez and Garcia lose the exact same way every fight.
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DAMN YOU STRIKETHROUGH TEXT!
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by SSreporters on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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Condit also has no headmovement.
Actually, I can’t think of a single Jackson fighter that has good head movement, GSP included. I can recall him making punches miss because his head moved incidentally during his superman jab-leg kick combo, but rarely does he slip punches otherwise.
Jackson really seems to try and work with what his fighters come in with, but it seems to end there. I think the biggest example would be not changing Jardine’s stupid fuck style because it makes him “unpredictable.” It works to a point, but then a fighter stops improving if you don’t push them to do something new.
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I think Jackson looks at his fighters and their opponents and draws up intelligent gameplans
That’s what I give Jackson the most credit for.
But as far as actually improving the guys he has, I don’t see anything to suggest his camp is good at doing that. He tries to make his guys win with what they have, not improve upon weaknesses so they can win more.
Jones and GSP are exceptions and I think much of their improvement over the years is down to them as individuals.
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by discoandherpes on Feb 16, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Dead on
But it could also be argued that he’s taken guys who would otherwise be relatively mediocre and maximized their talent through excellent game planning and excellent cardio. The only guys who trained there consistently who could really be classified as good athletes, Jones and Evans, have both won titles and markedly improved their skill sets over their time training with Jackson. I don’t think Jackson can take a whole lot of credit for GSP.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 16, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Jackson/Grudge fighters.
Carwin’s striking is very rudimentary. Marquardt is skilled offensively but doesn’t have good defense at all. Schaub has pretty awful striking both for defense and offense. Then there’s Elliot Marshal who… is Elliot Marshal.
The Jackson team (outside of Firas’ guys) have a really strange training philosophy that I’m working to decode. I may have it but I need more time and certainty before I commit to anything.
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Arlovski is Jackson's isn't he? We know his story.
Brandao is also a Jackson guy and went from comfortable win to nearly KTFO’d to armbar win in about a minute to win TUF.
I don’t think Stann is good defensively either and a prime Cantwell slept him.
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I wouldn't call Stann or Cantwell in the WEC "prime".
They were still very much new fighters.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
I like how Diego is in every category you mentioned.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 16, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
MMA Junkie article says Kampmann/Alves and Gustafsson/Lil Nog are remaining 3 rounds
So I guess this takes effect starting with Poirier/Jung.
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Doesn't surprise me
Those fight contracts are already signed
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Yep. Sweden doesn't allow 5 rounders anyway so that was out of the question
Isn’t it weird after the Alves/Kampmann fight there are zero UFC events until the Sweden show? That’s six weeks apart!
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6 weeks????
I can’t handle that
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Seriously?
When was the last time that happened? I feel like that is going to be terrible.
We'll get by
There’s a Strikeforce, plus Bellator every week and live Ultimate Fighter every week.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Feb 16, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s fair to take too much away from Dillashaw. He’s still young and learning. I would definitely have liked to see a finish, but Watson seemed tall enough that he could cover up his whole head (except for the out-of-bounds back of the head) and Dillashaw couldn’t really get any solid shots in. Personally, I think the back of the head rule is stupid and builds bad habits.
I do think he should’ve maybe tried something other than the RNC over and over again, or adjust his execution, cuz a couple times it looked like he should’ve been able to get it.
I'd rather be trollin'.
Dana and the Fertita's keep dropping the ball on this mainstream deal
First they dont choose to skip Guida vs Henderson only to wind up with 60 seconds of JDS destroying Cain and now this, A fight between two title contenders that was about to turn into a war but was cut short because the powers that be decided it was worth of the 5 round treatment.
Two chances to make a huge impression with new audiences gone straight down the gurgler.. Thats gotta hurt.
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What were your thoughts on the live statistics?
by FightFansRadio on Feb 16, 2012 2:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The only one I saw was after the second round of the main event
Saying Ellenberger had 23 ground strikes while Diego had 1. That was a particularly useless statistic.
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They were shown throughout the whole night and I found them quite tantalizing. Quite.
by FightFansRadio on Feb 16, 2012 3:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I saw Luke's Beard tweet something about them
But I only caught the last two fights and that was the only one I remember.
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It was a nice improvement
They gave head strikes/ body strikes/ ground strikes/ distance (?) strikes counts throughout the fight.
Nice.
Seems like if they use it right, it can be a nice lil addition.
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Everytime I saw them, it was the most lopsided statistic
In the Dillashaw/Watson fight at the start of RD2 they showed time on ground in dominant position and it was like Dillashaw: 4:18 – Watson: 0:00. Or it was like the one you mentioned.
It’s nice I guess but it’s obvious that Ellenberger was outstriking Diego on the ground when we were watching it. So why not throw up stats for “TD’s / TD’s defended” or something that may not have been so obvious.
Who cares about the fights?
what the hell was that epic music Brookins walked out to? I NEED TO KNOW!
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 16, 2012 3:10 AM EST reply actions
M83
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
Midnight city
BECW season 2 member of the Intellegent Northern English Picking Team.
Draft number: 72.
by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
“Stefan Struve remains one of my favorite fighters on the planet”
that is probably the first time in history that this sentence has been written by anyone
by phantom5691 on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Like Brett said, he's a fun fighter offensive fighter with glaring weaknesses
that make lesser opponents look good. It makes for exciting fights and nice comeback finishes.
Together we are Ruining Your Special Night. Twice.
love me some struve
He’s an exciting fighter who doesn’t go to decision, and when he loses he doesn’t it in spectacular fashion, he fell like a Slinky against Roy Nelson
by Sonnens Political Adviser on Feb 16, 2012 8:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Calling out Condit in front of a ravenous fanbase would have been a great moment. Bust out a “you know I won the first time” or something. Hype up a fight and make fans want to see it.
But he didn’t win. Was it a terrible decision by the judges?
Chael Sonnen has finished 1 of his 14 UFC & WEC fights.
by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 16, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions
Yes, yes it was a terrible decision by the judges. Ellenberger won that fight against Condit, and he’ll beat Condit again.
disagree
I thought Condit won but could see it being a draw. Plus Condit took the best shots Ellenberger could give and survived. If it was 5 rounds he would have finished him
Quietly leading Cecil Peoples Champs to victory and beyond.
All in the game yo, all in the game
by Our Bovine Public on Feb 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Close as fuck. Thought Condit won though.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Skyscrapper vs. Bigfoot
They need to make this fight at some point. I think Bigfoot takes it.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by Deadp001 on Feb 16, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
With all the talk about Ronny Markes not looking good, who ever does against Aaron Simpson? He is a grinder and it is very difficult to win in exciting fashion against him.
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