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Cain Velasquez Vs. Frank Mir On Tap According To Lorenzo Fertitta

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UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta isn't generally a guy that breaks a lot of news. But during a late-night twitter Q&A with fans last week, he was a goldmine of information. One of the biggest pieces of information he dropped was when he was asked by a fan who was next for former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir. He answered with just one word:

Cain.

That, of course, is former champ Cain Velasquez, who dropped his title to Junior dos Santos at UFC on Fox 1 back in November. Fertitta didn't mention a timeframe for the bout, but the yearly Memorial Day event (UFC 146 on May 26th) and Independence Day event (UFC 148 on July 7th) seem like solid fits. There will be a Fan Expo at the July event, so it is likely to have a stacked card.

Mir is coming off his second victory over Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 140, which was one of the best submissions of 2011. He has now won three bouts in a row, and has quietly crept back into contention for a title shot. Fabricio Werdum has been angling for a fight with Mir on twitter lately, but it looks like he will have to wait in line. The bout could possibly serve as a number one contenders matchup.

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That could be a good fight

Cain should be favored, but Frank could give him problems from the bottom. I’m stunned they’re not going to make Mir-Werdum though.

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by Dave Strummer on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Cain will wreck Mir.

Fertitta just hates Mir, doesn’t he? :D

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by SheepleBuster on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i much prefer this fight to Mir- Werdum only because i want to see Mir get his face punched in. (that is, provided Cain is healthy)

by phantom5691 on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Frank doesn't do well against strong wrestlers.

He leaves too many openings, going for sweeps and subs. For some reason, he is awesome at submitting other BJJ players, though.

I’ve seen Frank get destroyed from half guard too many times to take him here. Freeman, Marcio Cruz, *Vera, Lesnar, and Carwin all smashed him.

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*Yes, I realize that he still wasn’t in top form at this point.

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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont have fuel either!

I’m researching the guys online and looking at the records of the guys they fought if I don’t know them, and I’m gonna try and find some of their fights if I could. Here’s to hoping I come back with a record breaking over 105 point week. WAR BUS FEEDERS!!!!!!!

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

oh boy now im gonna try even harder!!!!

That hot bout is gonna have a lot of misses on it so I’mresearching the Fuck out of it

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you sure it was GSP?

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by TheFilt on Feb 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a great fight.

However I echo Monte fistos sentiments of shock that they did not make Werdum vs. Mir. I think I prefer that fight to be honest.

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Does your wife know you're

Posting pictures of your kid on a MMA website?

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by 40 Cal. on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

dont really have a clever response

but thats not my kid. i just googled ‘bus feeders’ and google must be broken-they didnt have our logo image.

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

winner of kongo vs hunt

Just get him a good win to get back on track. Although I really wanna see Mir fight Werdum because the thought of that ground battle would be epic. Finally someone would follow Werdum to the ground.

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that would be fun.

but cain might murder kongunt.

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

still

no real need for a rematch, since cain’s W wasn’t really anything to debate. there’s so much rematches going on i rather see som fresh matchups.

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by the guy with the big nose on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

But I wouldn’t mind it at all because I wanted Werdum vs. Mir

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This could be a pretty good fight

But I also wanted to see Werdum vs Mir more than I want to see this.

Sidenote: how fuckin’ tiny are Mir’s eyes? good lord.

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by menckenstein on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

He's asking for some intimate horse shoe removal

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by menckenstein on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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by menckenstein on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

great matchup

Although I favour Cain to pick apart Mir standing.

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by nannerb on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Same here. On the feet, Cain is just faster with his movement and strikes, and he throws combinations well. While there is a threat if the fight hits the ground, I can’t see the fight getting there.

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by chrisbboy82 on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

And if it does, it ain't like Mir has never been pounded out before.

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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hells yeah, this is the fight I wanted. There’s other challenges for Werdum but there’s not many for Mir, it’ll pose some interesting questions for both fighters.

by Superstitiousmma on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

I’m not a fan of this match-up, mainly because I think Cain will win. Also he’s coming off a KO loss, while Mir is on a pretty decent three fight winning streak. Who exactly do they have in mind for the next title shot after JDS vs Reem? Because in my mind Mir would be a great option, if he can win another fight in the meantime (like Werdum for example). To me it’s obvious they want to fast track Cain back to title contention, and they’re planning on using Mir for it. I don’t like this.

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by Horselover Fat on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

But its weird cuz the UFC always used to try and get Mir to a title shot.

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think the UFC brass thinks

Mir has a better shot at Cain then he does against Werdum.

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by 40 Cal. on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Winner/loser matches aren’t nearly as rare as people like to claim, especially for a fighter coming off a title fight. And while Cain will be rightfully favored, I wouldn’t count Mir out of this either.

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by Chris Hall on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Well, either way I don’t like it. I think these two fighters should be kept on separate paths to a title shot. And really, I’d be fine if Mir got the next one just by his last three wins. Instead they kill one of them for the near future.. and as I mentioned I don’t see who else is out there right now with a good case for a shot. What happens if Cain wins, you want to throw him in there again for the title with just one win? That would suck.

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by Horselover Fat on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

They’re making that fight because they want a main event that will sell, simple as that. If you put Werdum instead of Cain, you might get 100 000 less buys or whatever. Multiply that by 50$.. 5 million $.

by Kenya_MMA on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Good point.

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by Horselover Fat on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Odd that this happens

But I completely agree with both of you.

Sucks though, I don’t like this fight either. Big Nog was beating Mir on the feet, and Nog does not have anywhere near the range of tools standing that Cain has.

I can’t see Mir taking Cain down, and honestly I expect this fight to look like Mir’s fight against Carwin. Hopefully I will be proved wrong.

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Cain is going to T(KO) Mur like Carwin did!

Maybe not in as devastating fashion as the uppercuts Shane landed but I believe he’s going to put him out rather quickly. Big Nog was easily beating Mir to the punch and had him rocked pretty bad before the beautiful sub Mir pulled off and Nog’s striking is pretty slow compared to Cain’s.

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by 40 Cal. on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

ya this might happen

Or Mir will pull off another crazy submission. If he can catch Big Nog he can catch Cain

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cain won’t make the same mistake Big Nog made. Cain will continue punching.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

After seeing what Big Nog did to Mir on the feet

I can see Cain destroying Mir.

I think Mir vs Werdum and Cain vs Carwin would have been much better matchup’s.

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by Chin Check on Feb 13, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He could do it but I don't see Cain trying for a

Sub when he has him rocked but it’s possible.

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by 40 Cal. on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Good Fight

Do not sleep, this could easily go the distance.
Well there’s always Velasquez’s wrestling.

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by VeeisAnimated on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I could see Frank doing good

but even Big Nog was lighting him up. I think Cain by TKO in the 1st.

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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Cain > Big Nog standing
Big Nog > Mir standing
Cain > Lesnar
Lesnar > Mir

Cain wins MMAMath.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Mir Ko’d nog and ripped his arm off

by Afrotikiman on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah. I’m not counting that first fight. Mir lost the standup in the last fight.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Kongo and JDS have touched Cain’s chin. I have to think Mir should land something big and unlike Kongo, he will follow Cain down and get a Sub

by Afrotikiman on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow I guess I’m goin with Mir :-/

by Afrotikiman on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but he won’t. Just like any grappler that finds moderate success in the stand-up, he thinks he can take anyone on the feet and wants to “test” himself. He thinks he is better striking than he really is. He needs to realize that sometimes, it’s just better to stick with what you’re good at.

by BeefSupreme on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

All the way back to Ken Shamrock!

But even if Mir wanted to take it down, I just don’t recall him having anywhere near the explosiveness needed to take down a Wrestler of Cain’s caliber. Cain dictates the location here, IMO, and that means bad things for Frank.

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by DankNabbot on Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree about his bottom game.

Mir is a real feast- or- famine guard player. He either gets the sweep/ sub, or gets pounded out. I think Cain is strong enough to avoid the sub/ sweep, and will pour it on Frank with punches and elbows.

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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Frank's 5 losses

are all KO/TKOs. He’ll go down.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Mir's chin isn't that bad

Heavyweights hit really, really hard. And of those five, I think only the Carwin fight was an according-to-Hoyle knockout. The rest were TKOs where he retained consciousness. And Carwin can knock anyone out.

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by Dave Strummer on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if I’m remembering correctly but I thought he was out against Lesnar in the second fight.

by BeefSupreme on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a terrible fight for Mir in every way. I know he beat Big Nog, but if Cain hits him the way Nog did, he will be out by the time he hits the ground. Cain has way faster hands than Mir and I don’t really see how Mir wins

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by StevenGiles on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think he’ll be awake by the time it hits the ground. I thought he was out in the last Big Nog fight. I was surprised it wasn’t stopped.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Mir can’t take Cain down. Mir will go down from Cain’s punch. From there, Mir might have enough awareness to pull off a submission.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you. It’s amazing that he’s been able to promote himself so well despite that fact.

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by sexysassytravismmafan on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone else keep scrolling up

just to see that picture of mir?

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

so douchey.

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by gspmademegay on Feb 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think it's something he's worked on along with his martial arts training?

Or is it just natural to him? I try not to watch/read interviews with him on purpose because then I’m blinded by hatred and ignore the fact that he’s actually a pretty damn good fighter.

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by menckenstein on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA

That quote comes trolling my mind every time I hear about Mir.

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by spectaa on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

SIGGED

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by Piru P on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Frank's Next Camp...

He better realize that his first fight with Big Nog inflated his striking ego alot, and thats been his strategy ever since then. His freak KO of Kongo did it even more. He abandoned what made him successful in the first place.

If Frank re-focuses on BJJ without spending so much time or gameplan on strategy, with his natural strength he can become the single most devastating submission artist in MMA history.

If he tries to stand with Cain he will get annihilated.

If he gets the fight to the ground, Cain would be in tons of problems, and probably get subbed rather quickly.

by TriangleChoke99 on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

It’s been his strategy because his takedowns are shit-awful. He has the weakest wrestling I’ve seen this side of Nick Diaz.

by crazybones on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Annihilated on the feet?

I don’t see where people get this from…

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by warren305 on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. He gets overwhelmed quickly and doesn’t take punches too well.

by TriangleChoke99 on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think Cain has the technique to overwhelm Mir with volume

Or the power (al la Carwin), th overpower him with strength. I see Mir winning the standup battle as he is more well rounded and has better muay thai

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by warren305 on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we are at an empass

Sig bet? I got Mir

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by warren305 on Feb 14, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is so bad for Mir

Unless Cain tries to grapple with him the entire fight…but even then, I’d bet on Cain pounding him out.

Hopefully they’ll put Cain in with JDS again. That’s a fight that could go many different ways if Cain survives the first knockdown.

by crazybones on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

M.Bison…YES!

Lets go Mir! I see some people being surprised, some people saying “Cain was never that good” etc., etc., after this one.

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by warren305 on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Mir via TKO rd. 1

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by warren305 on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

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by glib_mf on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not the rd and tko

But I got Mir. I think Cain’s good, just not as good as Mir. In fact, he’s my fav HW (other than Alistar)

Sig bet?

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by warren305 on Feb 14, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way Mir wins this fight

Is by getting it to the ground. That being said if he does win then he gets a title shot no questions asked. However if he faces Dos Santos then he will be knocked out, because I don’t think he can take him down. Against Overeem, he might have a better chance.

by benten20 on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great match-up...tough to pick a winner

I’ll go with Leonard Garcia via split-decision.

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by Baba Booey on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He looks like Penn’s little brother or something.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Feb 13, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Great fight

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by RolloTomasi on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one that thinks Cain dismantles Mir easily?

I don’t think this will be close at all.

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by Tim Bernier on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Cain is way, way too fast and his TD’s are way too good for Mir to let his hands go.

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by TheFilt on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think Mir will mind getting taken down.

I hope he can win this fight, as he’s one of my favorite fighters, but stylistically it’s one of the worst match-ups in the division for him.

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by Loot on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cain would land a few shots,

take him down then let him up.

Rinse and repeat.

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by TheFilt on Feb 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cain will use his wrestling defensively to keep the fight standing, and bank on knocking Frank out.

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by Horselover Fat on Feb 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mixing it up makes it all more effective

I don’t think Mir could last with Cain’s pace, so I could definitely see him scoring the KO, too.

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by TheFilt on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly think Mir would look really stupid even thinking about trying to take Cain down.

He couldn’t get old Cro Cop to the mat.

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