Josh Koscheck Vs. Johny Hendricks Set For UFC On Fox 3
by Tim Burke on Feb 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST
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PrintThe aftermath of the Nick Diaz saga has led to a lot of confusion in the welterweight division. Will Carlos Condit defend his UFC interim welterweight title before Georges St. Pierre comes back? Who are the top contenders for that bout if it does happen? Well, one piece of the welterweight puzzle was revealed today by UFC president Dana White. Josh Koscheck will face Johny Hendricks at UFC on Fox 3 on May 5th. Here's what he said on twitter:
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Dana White Koscheck vs Johnny Hendricks is on for FOX!!!
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This bout makes all sorts of sense. Hendricks is coming off of a 12 second knockout of Kos's former teammate and good friend Jon Fitch. Koscheck defeated Mike Pierce via close split decision at UFC 143, while Hendricks did the same at UFC 133. Koscheck is a natural talker who is a good fit for a Fox show, and the winner of the bout will be a clear option for Condit if he does choose to defend before GSP returns. The only bad part is that this will be a three-rounder.
In short, excellent booking as usual from Joe Silva.
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I see Kos getting TKO’d, haymakers everywhere
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Not even haymakers
Watch all of Hendricks’ fights and as soon as he gets the clinch he uppercuts the shit out of you. The guy has sick power and has excellent uppercuts, I honestly think they’re one of the best in MMA.
It’s uppercuts that he used to drop Sadollah, brutalize Ricardo Funch, and drop Brenneman the 3rd or 4th time around (1st time was a temple shot on a hook).
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This would be better as the main event
Diaz vs Miller can co-headline.
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I don't know
Koscheck seems to be starting the twilight of his career, I’d rather have 2 exciting title contenders as the ME
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No way.. you want to rob us of two rounds of Miller – Diaz?
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 12, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, not at all
In terms of having a bigger name to bring casuals in – crucial for the ongoing success on Fox – , well, Koscheck is more well known.
I really want Edgar vs Henderson on Fox, but we can’t always get what we want.
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BTW, Diaz vs Miller is a perfect 5 round main event for FX, rather than FOX
Just saying.
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 12, 2012 7:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I doubt this is set in concrete
UFC generally are savvy enough to know what match ups work best as 3 round or 5 round headliners (for television entertainment purposes).
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Very Savvy indeed however
I think for this reason they will match up all those that need to be 5 rounders on FOX or PPV. Otherwise i think they should have done Bisping Vs. Sonnen.
However only time will tell if they break what they said…wont be the first time
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, yeah, I get what you’re saying. I was a little surprised as well that Diaz – Miller was to headline FOX, but I really really love that fight being five rounds so I’m not going to suggest otherwise.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 12, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
hendricks. Kos just doesnt look hungry any more since GSP put some muffins on him
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Oh shit!
I had a feeling they were gonna put this match up together
You go out there and start acting like a terrorist, you're gonna get Osama Bin Laden'd
I think Hendricks is going to win but I like Koscheck's chances.
He said that motivation was a problem in his fight with Pierce but I don’t think that’ll be the case this time. Kos is going to come in wanting to avenge Fitch’s loss.
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by awesomefightgreatjob on Feb 12, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Hendricks should win this one. His combination of improved striking, power, and strong wrestling should get him the victory. Koscheck looked pretty bad in my opinion against Pierce. Koscheck looks to have peaked, and Hendricks is just getting better.
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Wow this could be the turning point towards the endgame for Koschecks career. Great match though.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Feb 12, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Kos Right hand vs. Johnny Left hand
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by Snatchl on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Kos goes nighty night in violent fashion
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Who thinks he's going to retire after he gets kyo'd?
That seems to be the trend nowadays, or at least a move up to middle weight?
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by .5man.5bear.5pig on Feb 12, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions
hahhaa. BAM! Kyo’d bitches!
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by TheDreadedMarco on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Both men lost to pierce by split-decision
very interesting, very close fight. My prediction: Koscheck wins by repeated eye pokes. works every time
by MuyThaiGroinAssault on Feb 12, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions
Kosh won
he should have lost
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yeah he def should have gotten a point deduction for the eye gouging
he gets a lot of preferential treatment in my opinion
by MuyThaiGroinAssault on Feb 12, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol when speaking of Kos eye pokes
you have to be specific, there have been too many
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That’s the thing, he received an official warning from Herb in the second round, as well as several other “informal” verbal warnings during the fight. Then in the third when they halted the action after another eyepoke that affected Pierce, he should have gotten a point deduction (since he had already been warned). Instead he got another warning..
Also never mind that Pierce pretty clearly won the first two rounds in my opinion
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 12, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
in everyone's opinion beside the judges sitting cageside
the true robbery of the night
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I thought Pierce outstruck him for two rounds.
by discoandherpes on Feb 12, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
He did
I think Pierce’s cut (caused by an accidental headbutt) + takedown = STOLE THE 2ND ROUND
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Both guys beat pierce by split dec.
Hendricks lost to Story.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Koscheck won that fight. Granted, it was a terrible decision.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
fun match up
Hendricks gets him I think
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Smells like
A vicious KO to me. Kos will try to wrestle, won’t be able to get/keep Hendricks down, and will eat big punches in an exchange.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 12, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
D-1 wrestling champs, when is the last time this happened in high level MMA?
I thought Couture vs. Van Arsdale but Couture was a runner up, not a champ. Carwin was Div II, not Div I. Don’t think Randleman ever fought another NCAA champ. Neither did Kerr, although he showed up old and washed up to fight King Mo (who never won an NCAA Div I title anyways). Rosholt hasn’t fought another champ.
Anybody got an example of two NCAA Div I champs in MMA?
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by pdl on Feb 12, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Was Tom Erickson a D-1 champ?
I know he fought Randleman.
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Nah, 2- time All American, though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. That's all I got.
Guess this is a first so.
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Your post made me curious, so i looked up all the NCAA champs and here is what i came up with
As far as i know there have only been 12 NCAA champs that fought in MMA
- Cole Konrad (HW) – 2006, 2007
- Brock Lesnar (HW) – 2000
- Phil Davis (197lbs) – 2008
- Jake Rosholt (184lbs, & 197lbs) – 2003, 2005, 2006
- Mark Munoz (197lbs) – 2001
- Mark Kerr (190lbs) – 1992
- Mark Coleman (190lbs) – 1988
- Kevin Randleman (177lbs) – 1992, 1993
- Ben Askern (174lbs) – 2006, 2007
- Josh Koscheck (174lbs) – 2001
- Mike Van Arsdale (167lbs) – 1988
- Johny Hendricks (165lbs) – 2005, 2006
So i guess this is the first time that two NCAA champs fight in MMA. Also, am i the only one that thinks its crazy that both Coleman, and Kerr wrestled at 190lbs even though they both fought at HW (didn’t Kerr weigh in at like 260lbs?) Also how the hell did Kevin Randleman make 177lbs, and Mike Van Arsdale 167lbs? Randleman fought at HW and LHW, and Van Arsdale fought at 205lbs his entire career.
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by darkotto23 on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is also Mark Ellis and Bubba Jenkins, but the list was probably made before they debuted in MMA.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 12, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m amazed Kerr and Coleman never fought. That’s really a testament to how short Kerr’s run was.
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if i remember correctly Coleman and Kerr were actually close firends
I got this from Kerr’s wiki page:
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So i guess that might be the reason why they never fought.
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They would have if Kerr had beat Fujita in the 2000 Openweight GP.
They agreed to if it came to it, but Fujita won then threw the towel against Coleman.
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In Fujita’s fourth professional fight he faced 260-veiny-pounds of world-class wrestling and emotional issues named Mark Kerr. Using a style of kickboxing based around the tango and signaling rescue planes, Fujita hopped around like a scarecrow in gunfire while Mark Kerr blasted him in the face with punches and knees. Mark Kerr wasn’t exactly Bruce Lee himself, but when you bench press 600 pounds, just swinging your paw through the air is going to knock salmon out of every river for two miles.
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by darkotto23 on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1993 Sylvester Terkay, North Carolina St. (HW)
you forgot that mma fighter and former WWE Wrestler ;)
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Yeah I did!
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
btw this is where i found the list of champs:
http://www.hickoksports.com/history/ncaawrestl.shtml
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this will be a UD for kos.
both have KO power, but i think kos will try and gnp his way out.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 7:42 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
had the pleasure of meeting hendricks at the fox card.
down to earth guy, and i just thanked him repeatedly for the fitch ko
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by blumpkins on Feb 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
same
awesome dude. he was jealous of my beard because he had just trimmed his, haha.
by Violent Newt on Feb 12, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
He is a very chill guy.
He was always working with Gil Martinez around the same time that I took Muay Thai at Xtreme Couture, and the few times I talked to him he was very cool.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 12, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
This gon be a dawg fight
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 12, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anyone else ready for a KO?
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by chavez_26 on Feb 12, 2012 7:57 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
I see one rec here
Must be from zakkree
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 13, 2012 5:16 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh
That Fitch one breaks my heart every time. Insane recovery time though.
Breaks your heart?
Do you root for Klitschko, the Spurs, The Redskins, The Yankees, etc?
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure who the Spurs or Redskins are
but I don’t follow boxing and base ball is boring. Besides if one of my favourite fighters is getting knocked out then usually it’s Mir. Fitch was a shock.
by Quick Ben on Feb 13, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All those parties I mentioned are good fundamentally, and get wins-
but are boring as all get out. Why anyone would be heartbroken about a guy like Fitch getting KO’d is beyond me. The guy has gamed the system for years
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
He seems like a really good guy.
Tons of fighters have dispositions I’m not fond of.
Plus he just screwed up majorly. He left his hands too low against a guy that was known to throw hammers. He could have done better.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
More or less this
It helps that I don’t find his fights boring too.
I don't hate him as a fighter,
but I certainly don’t like him that much. And yeah, he seems like a good guy, but that’s a very small consideration for me, unless I actually know the fighter.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Spurs are fun as fuck. Also the requisite:
LINSANITY
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I actually don't dislike Wlad
but c’mon dude. He’s not exactly thrilling to watch these days. He’s similar to GSP in that way.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just because he finishes the fight early
Doesn’t mean his fights don’t suck. I’ve had a ton of bad experiences that have ended prematurely.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
First Fitch wins a close fight with Pierce, then gets knocked out by Hendricks
Then Koscheck wins a close fight (even though I think he clearly lost) with Pierce. If Hendricks knocks out Fitch I’m going to find a beautiful poetry to this situation.
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If he beats Kos
He has to fight Paulo Thiago for the right to that name.
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Really? I missed that.
That would have been a good fight. I’d probably go for Hendricks were it to happen, but Paulo is a crafty one.
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Paulo's gas tank is miserable
I think Hendricks would’ve handled Thiago in the 2nd and 3rd.
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The Sanchez gassing out
came because of a broken nose sustained at the very end of the first.
Thiago went three rounds with Fitch, Volkmann, Kampmann and Sanchez. Only the third round of Sanchez was really bad.
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Three rounds with Mitchell too
Although admittedly he was in cruise control for most of that.
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Going three rounds doesn't mean good cardio
He gassed in the Kampmann fight but he was already getting dominated anyway.
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by SSreporters on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, lots of people taking Hendricks here
I’m glad to see people have finally stopped sleeping on his talent (I picked him to beat Fitch) but Koscheck is a talented veteran, in no way in this a gimme for anyone.
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I think if Kos comes in and fights like he did against Pierce, there’s a real good chance Hendricks can lay him out.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 12, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow I doubt it.
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by Horselover Fat on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Koscheck hasn't looked dominant against anyone relevant since Paul Daley
And dominant was dull.
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I didn't think that fight was boring
Koscheck was passing guard, tagging Daley, and going for subs. It wasn’t as bad as everyone made it out to be.
by discoandherpes on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Aside from the 3rd round where Kos really was riding out the decision, I totally agree
At the end of the first two rounds Kos was very close to finishing with an RNC
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What'd Hendricks ever do to you?
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 12, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
He knocked out Fitch.
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Oh yeah, I forgot ZK was a Fitch fan.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 12, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot ZK was a the Fitch fan.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
There are 3, actually. Him, me, and Jon’s wife.
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I would make fun of that but Fitch has 3 more fans than I do
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I got Fitch as well. Don’t really understand all the hate. He’s really active and up until the Hendricks fight the most consistent fighter in the toughest division in the sport.
How do you mean "active"?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
He fights at least twice a year
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by SSreporters on Feb 12, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh
I thought he was a beast on Wii Fit or something
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think his take downs are exciting. He looks to pass guard fairly often. His punches are damaging but that doesn’t stop him from throwing a bunch of them. It seems a lot of people want to hate him just because he’s got position before submission on his mind.
I bet he is beast at wii fit.
People hate him because he has position and zero attempts at a finish
Throwing 1500 pitty-pat punches is what people criticize Fitch for. He does that to stay active.
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I don’t think it would be hard to make that argument. I feel like Fitch is fighting for a finish. He says he is, he doesn’t have any reason to lie about it. He’s probably pretty bad at that aspect of the game. If finishes are important to you, he’s not your horse.
He doesn't try to finish
He rarely postures up in guard. Makes minimal attempts to pass. And almost never works to set up submissions. I don’t know what would make you think he’s “trying” to finish.
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It looked like he was trying to finish BJ. However 3/5 sentences I wrote concerning Fitch’s vain (and to some frustrating) attempts to finish indicated that his finishing abilities were poor, an argument could be made that he doesn’t even try, and that if you liked finishes you should stay far away from Fitch.
With that said reasons that I DO like Fitch are a little south of this comment.
I dunno, he was definitely throwing harder than usual against Penn, but he never attempted to pass guard and it’s very difficult to finish with GnP from the guard.
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You just insulted Jones with that implicit Fitch comparison.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Fitch has attempted 11 submissions in 16 UFC fights
That’s not trying to finish.
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so he attempts a submission in 80% of his fights.
nice.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nope
Fitch has attempted submissions 11 times but in in only 7 of 16 fights, so not even half.
According to FightMetric he passed to a better position 40 times, and passed guard at least once 13 of 16 fights.
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by SSreporters on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so it's not that he doesn't try
he just can’t.
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by Chris Groves on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
I completely forgot the 80% reference
Shame on me.
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by SSreporters on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
How many of those fights occured in the North of England?
That is what is important.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I also like watching the grind game. Stand up or on the ground. It’s subtle but there are moments in fights like Condit vs. Diaz where you can tell Diaz doesn’t want to be in the ring with Condit, he was broken. He stopped throwing as many punches, stopped taunting and became complacent.
Fitch did the same thing to BJ Penn. It’s pretty crazy to see a multi-time champion like BJ Penn laying on the ground accepting 149 strikes while only offering 2 in return!
Because he takes people down (exciting)
And then stops being exciting.
Not that you shouldn’t be a Fitch fan, but I don’t understand the argument of “Watching Fitch hold grown men down is so exciting” and probably never will.
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Mazzagati could have guillotined him as well but blew it.
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by Zachary Kater on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I would have forgiven all of the stupid shit Hot Tub has done over the years if he would have just pulled guard and wrapped Fitch up with an arm in guillotine.
Worst case scenario, Fitch just lays on him for another four and a half minutes so no big whoop.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
So once Hendricks KO's Koscheck
I’ll consider that Hendricks 2 AKA members 0 even though Kos left.
It’d be Hendricks and Paulo Thiago who own the shit out of AKA fighters.
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Fitch beat Thiago.
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Yeah but he subbed Swick so he's 2-1 with AKA.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but Thiago took the 1st and had a deep RNC on him but couldn't finish it
Also, Thiago is 2-1 vs. AKA!
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Going 2-1 against something or someone isn’t “owning the shit out of them”.
Just sayin’.
And it was a guillotine.
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You’ve more than proven your point.
Thiago was brought in pretty much to build Koscheck back up as a contender and that failed. Then he fought Fitch which was ill-advised but competitive. Took on Swick and was a +175 underdog and dominated him.
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Kos is still an AKA member
just not the original one. He’s training out of one of the AKA gyms he built.
It's getting renamed
I’m pretty sure Kos has no more affiliation with AKA at all anymore.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, having guys like Phil Davis and Johny Hendricks on these cards
Are exactly the type of thing the UFC should be doing as far as showing their up-and-comers.
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except putting Phil Davis up against Rashad was the opposite of a showcase
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Give me a job, Joe Silva!
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you are probably too tall to work alongside him
people will think he is your pet.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 5'11
Which to him means I might as well be Manute Bol.
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He could be your Billy Crystal
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
koscheck gettin KTFO if....
he shows up like he did against Pierce, Hendricks is hungry…and he looks like a terrorist with legit dynamite in his left hand….
Koscheck's striking is vastly overrated
Offensively and defensively. He only outstrikes guys who are hopeless at striking like Dustin Hazelett, Yoshida, and Trigg. Then you pair him up with elite strikers or boxers like GSP and Alves and he gets his ass kicked. Defensively, Hughes was landing his jab often, Paulo Thiago isn’t a good striker and he still KO’d him with an uppercut, and Alves lit him up. It was two weeks notice, but Alves would beat him healthy, too.
I think Hendricks keeps this standing and wrecks him.
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Same. The underdog bonus was sweet though.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Of course my entire night was ruined by Donald Cerrone vs. Nate Diaz
I had Cerrone by dec. If I had Diaz I would’ve been 10-0.
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Same again.
Although I picked Nam Phan to beat Hettes so ended up 8-2.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nam Phan?????
damn dude, I think even subbevil picked Hettes in that one.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know... I got blinded by my disdain of Caceres.
Bah, aside from that, I’m doing pretty good overall in the civil war.
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I'm happy for you
I am god awful this season.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was leaning toward Hendricks for the upset, then I rewatched the Story fight...
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In an unrelated story
I am hanging at the University right now waiting for my gf to get done with some group project for her Masters and these med students are studying near me. The dude is blowing it, he could have totally smashed this chick, closed casket funeral status and he just said bye and let her walk off. I feel like I should help him since I am so old and wise.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could laugh at his failure
Whatever makes you feel better
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
This Fight Should Make Hendricks a Star
He’s got a good personality, and some main stream exposure here would go a long way in cultivating interest and a following for him. He’s been an outspoken athlete since his college days, and will be a natural in the build up. The obvious storyline of the Kos/Fitch/Pierce/Hendricks quadrangle of MMAth makes for an easy sell for the UFC and the fighters. As for the fight, Kos’ last performance is obviously a red flag. He’s never looked comfortable after that GSP fight, and I’d imagine that’ll make him mighty cautious of Hendricks’ left hand. I see Hendricks by TKO after Kos turtles up after a haymaker and followed strikes by Hendricks.
throw in Rick Story and you have a Pentagonal Clusterfuck
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
for Condit?
how is a fight that takes place 3 months after Condit’s win over Diaz a “clear option” for Condit….there would have to be at minimum a two month layover from that fight so proly sometime in July, and what if the winner comes out hurt and then GSP is ready and doesn’t have an opponent
Well, if Condit does choose to defend it likely wouldn’t be until July/August anyway. If GSP is out until November, as some believe, it might make sense.
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If Ellenberger crushes Diego, would you give him the shot at Condit?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I would
No hesitation.
And there will be no “if” for Ellenberger, just simply “how long will it take?”
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by SSreporters on Feb 12, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would too.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
As I said in my HKL post
There’s no reason to have an interim title if your not going to keep the division moving in the meantime.
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Plus
Both Ellenberger and Condit have historically been fighters who like to stay busy; assuming Ellenberger comes out of the Sanchez fight with no injuries, we could be looking at June for a potential fight.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 12, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
June would be perfect and give plenty of time for the winner to prepare for GSP's return at the end of the year
Even if Ellenberger loses, the UFC could probably push Sanchez to challenge Condit as well.
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Sanchez is viable, or they could just pull Hendricks from the Koscheck fight.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was going to suggest Hendricks, but with the one announced I discounted him as a possibility
I supposed they could pull him, but it seems unlikely.
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Hendricks needs one more win.
That is really all there is to it, and since Georges is coming back, probably two. Maybe the winner of Kampmann v. Alves if Big Rig beats Kos
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
But a win over Condit qualifies him to face GSP. I don’t think he’s the best 1st choice, but I could see it happening if there’s an unfortunate rash of injuries.
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or any other kind of unfortunate rash
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
They should consult TheFilt in that case
I’m pretty sure he’s an expert on those kinds of rashes.
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I once came down with some kind of odd…….occurrence and The Filt told me to mix Coppertone SPF 45, beeswax and 3 ground up porcupine quills as a salve and it cleared me up in 14 hours.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you acquire porcupine quills?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Did someone ask for me?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Andy Anderson...is that a Cherokee name?
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by Chris Hall on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
My great grandpa Jimmy was named James Anderson when he was sent to a Jesuit Boarding School that the Gov’t sent him to after he was born on the Seneca Iroquois reservation. He had a Native father and a Black mother, and interestingly enough the boarding school is also somehow the reason that my family is Roman Catholic.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
that whole story you told should be your nickname. I can hear Bruce Buffer now......
FIGHTIIIIIIIING out of the blue corner, this man is a keyboard warrior weighing in at X pounds, From BloodyElbowDOTCOM…..Andy “My great grandpa Jimmy was named James Anderson when he was sent to a Jesuit Boarding School that the Gov’t sent him to after he was born on the Seneca Iroquois reservation. He had a Native father and a Black mother, and interestingly enough the boarding school is also somehow the reason that my family is Roman Catholiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic” ANDERSAAAAAAAHNNNNNNNNNNN!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So much awesome
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Buffer is rediculous enough already
As short of a nickname as possible would be best. “Andy” is a nickname I got a month before I was born after all.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
What is your real first name then???
Earl Montclair?
Obsidian?
Cantaloupe?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was pretty close
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I will give you that
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 12, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I would. I'd like to see him in a 5 rounder with Condit.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
and on full notice, unlike the first fight.
yes please
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think GSP should fight as soon as November
Knee injuries are serious stuff. Just because the knee feels good, doesn’t mean it actually is.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Jake Cheeseburger in paradise
will not beat condit.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore, why the Jimmy Buffett reference?
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by SSreporters on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was a pretty terrible attempt at a nickname
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Did the story ever come out about why he did this?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
That makes the most sense
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by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
The loss to Rick Story scares me a little, but I think Hendricks take this. I need to rewatch that fight.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Story can shut down a lot of people with his body focused attack.
it’s really kind of nuts how he did that to Alves, Hendricks and to a lesser extent Hazelett.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
lesser ability-wise I mean in regards to Hazelett
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Rick Story is such a party pooper.
He ruins all these streaks, then loses to Brenneman on a day’s notice. Can’t even take us streak-ruining to the top.
Koscheck is a really, really good MMA wrestler when he wants to be. Only person to really give GSP ANY sort of trouble. Hendricks has looked fantastic lately. I wish the Fitch fight went on a bit longer before the KO, just to see how he looks against that wrestling. He blasted Fitch’s consciousness to kingdom come before he could even think about a takedown.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just think that anyone who has solid striking defense, good movement and can throw punches to Kos's eye has a huge advantage over him
Dude is panicky as shit when he gets in the eye. Georges really screwed him up mentally.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
He's a guy who has a very good particular skillset
He’s an all offense fighter. He likes to push you up against the fence, throw to the body and and head, then take you down and beat you up.
Fun to watch, but his lack of defense (despite his toughness) is going get him beat by fighters who can take him down or counter punch with good footwork. That said, if someone doesn’t plan accordingly, he has a good shot of beating anyone as long as they fall into his game. .
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
He's essentially a bully
He comes after you and keeps coming. His strength is utterly ridiculous; what’s more, he knows how strong he is, he trusts it, and his game plans are predicated on him having it. He choked out Brian Foster from inside his half guard, for crying out loud.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
That's pretty accurate
And him choking out Foster was pretty nuts as well.
I so want to see Pierce vs. Story. I’m really hoping Silva puts that together.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
It's a fight
That makes total sense right now, since they’re both coming off losses to top-10 opponents. Like you said, that would be a really fun fight, especially given their history.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite aspect of this potential fight is the style match up
A slick defensive counter wrestleboxer like Pierce against a super aggressive offensive wrestleboxer in Story. Plus the UFC can play up the their history pretty nicely.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
It's pretty bad. Looks like a fitching.
I don’t know if Story’s strategy was a surprise to him or what. But he definitely became hesitant when pressured with the takedown and clinch.
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Yeah we’ll see how he looks against Kos. He did a lot of clinching against the cage against Pierce much the same way Story does against most people. Hopefully Hendricks has solved that problem and he can put those fists to his chin.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
A win over Kos would be huge for him, and since Koschek is pretty much out of the title picture for the foreseeable future and is in the second half of his career, I have to root for the up and comer here.
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Agreed.
It’d be nice to have Ellenberger and Hendricks as the clear cut top of the division behind GSP and Condit. Hopefully they both pull off the win.
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by Tim Bernier on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
First Fitch, now Koschck, this is the way of things
Beat Pierce by competitive decision, get KO’d by Hendricks later.
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by Chris Groves on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great fight by Joe Silva
Koscheck looked nervous and tentative against Pierce, If he comes into this fight looking even slightly like that he is getting rolled.
Maybe Rick Story can give Kos a few tips on how to grind Hendricks down, Worked for him… barely lol
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this is a good matchup
But I don’t want to think about any scenario that could lead to another GSP vs kosh fight already
by Dreaded on Feb 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
my prediction
Kos hangs his right as its his new love, he trys to bang with JHex and takes a nap. Johny KO round 2
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by Bloodsport on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i like how J hendricks has become...
KO sensation in a matter of days, short term memory and MMA fans, they are inseparable.
Hendricks is a good up and coming UFC Welterweight prospect
he does have some good KO/TKO finishes
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and this has happened to Koscheck
I’d say picking Johny would be a reasonable prediction
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by Elitex10x on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That Paulo KO gif
is why you shouldn’t lunge forward with your jab, kids. Especially don’t do that while looking at the floor.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Koscheck really needs to work on snapping that jab out there instead of lingering and lunging
And eye poking of course.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
The eye poking actually seems to work quite well for him
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
the only person i've ever seen the lunging jab work for
was Miguel Cotto, and he’s a boxer.
He was also picked apart recently.
by les rallizes denudes on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
If you always leap forward with the jab
it becomes easy to counter. It’s alright to do every once in a while, GSP does it well, but he also doesn’t stare at the mat while he’s throwing.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing the gif of Koscheck vs Thiago, it is pretty clear that Koscheck was KO’d on the feet. I remember there was some controversy that the ref jumped in too quickly.
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I think he kind of recovered a bit once he hit the floor
I would have liked to see it go a bit further just so that there was no question.
by discoandherpes on Feb 13, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he was out and the floor woke him up.
Don’t have any issue with the stoppage, but I wouldn’t have complained if the ref gave him a chance to recover although I don’t think the outcome would have changed.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
koscheck will be knocked out cold!
he gets outboxed by some fighters with no good boxing, how much more if johny hits him with his heavy hands
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