Dana White Denies That Roger Gracie Is Coming to UFC
by T.P. Grant on Feb 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST
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PrintWhile this has yet to be confirmed by the UFC or Roger Gracie, GracieMag has reported that the former Strikeforce Light Heavyweight has signed with the Ultimate Fighting Championships:
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GRACIEMAG Roger Gracie (93kg) signs with #UFC, might train with @SpiderAnderson before his first bout. #JiuJitsu
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If this is true, Roger Gracie would be the most decorated Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter to ever enter the Octagon with 10 IBJJF World Championships and two ADCC gold medals. Many consider Roger Gracie the best living grappler on the planet.
Gracie signed with Strikeforce in 2010 and had three fights with the San Jose based promotion.
Muhammed Lawal - Loss - KO - Round 1 - Strikeforce World Grand Prix: Barnett vs. Kharitonov
Trevor Prangley - Win - Submission (Rear Naked Choke) - Round 1 - Strikeforce: Diaz vs Cyborg
Kevin Randleman - Win - Submission (Rear Naked Choke) - Round 2 - Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery
While the loss to Lawal was a serious set back to Gracie, he has recently stated that has refocused his efforts on MMA. Earlier this week it was reported by Tatame that Gracie is also close to signing with the Blackhouse management group and, as suggested by the GracieMag tweet, training with UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva.
Additionally it was reported by Tatame that one thing Gracie's new manager would consider is dropping him to Middleweight. While the Brazilian started his career at Heavyweight, he has a very lean body type and heavy weight cuts are not part BJJ competitions, so it is possible Gracie could make the cut.
"To me, he has all the tools to build up a great MMA career, he just need some work, focused. I’m sure he’ll be a tough one to fight in MMA", compliments the manager, revealing the possibility of Roger dropping to the middleweight division. "He’s considering dropping, but it’s not set in stone yet".
He would be an interesting addition to the UFC Middleweight division. Gracie would very tall for the division at 6'4", he brings elite ground skills and solid takedown game to a division searching for new contenders.
Update by Tim Burke - Multiple sources are now stating that the reports might have been premature and that Gracie will not be going to the UFC after all. Stay tuned for further updates.
UPDATE by Kid Nate: Dana White scotches the rumor at the UG:
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Roger is going to get lit up in the UFC
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I think he could much better at MW than LHW
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Probably
I think if Jason MacDonald gets by Tom Lawlor I would love to see him fight Roger.
It would be a solid test and I am sure Jason would love to see how he would do in a groundfight with him.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, I'm not sure, but this is what TP Grant had to say in the other post.
he might be
put weight cutting isn’t a huge part of competitive BJJ. Guys have good diets but there isn’t a huge push to cut water weight. He made 205 pretty effortlessly, he is a really lengthly and not every dense sort of body. I think 185 could be in his reach.
by T.P. Grant on Feb 11, 2012 11:04 AM PST
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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And change your avatar dammit
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why? to what?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
To the guy with the monocle.
Because awesome.
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the guy with the monocle?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
At'll do
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Okay. Done
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
you just changed your avatar
now throw an online BE party :D
Besides i dont like avatar changes huh,,, must get used to them
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FanPost?
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it would be more egomaniacal than Subo's fanpost announcing he was back
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps a fanpost that lists things you diabolically hate?
by Rabbit915 on Feb 11, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
holy shit 20,000
I’ve been around a while and comment a fair amount but damn.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
His striking is atrocious and he got clowned by king mo. If he fights any of the top guys in his weight class and it stays standing, he will get owned.
memitim will be here to tell you any time soon that Gracie will challenge Jon Jones in the future
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Give Roger some time to get his stand up game working with the JDS and Anderson’s of the world and he can challenge Jones. Win? I don’t know, would have to see how he progresses, but Roger isn’t getting beat by a RNC or standing guillotine.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 11, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Roger Gracie will set out where strikers Quinton Jackson, Lyoto Machida and Shogun Rua have failed, and he will win the fight on the feet against Jon Jones—-since I think we can all agree he sure as shit isn’t taking Jones down right?
I’ve heard some fanboyism in my day, but that’s a good one. Roger can barely throw a jab; King Mo got to do his best Roy Jones Jr impression with his left hand because of how unathletic Roger’s striking is. Unless we’re letting Gracie start as Jones wakes up in the morning in a bathrobe, Roger shouldn’t even be licensed for that fight.
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by joker24 on Feb 12, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for putting the fanboy nonsense to rest.
by phantom5691 on Feb 12, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say it would happen tomorrow. In 18-24 months Roger could develop a strong stand up. His jab is already effective, if rudimentary. He is longer than most of the guys at LHW. And, yeah, if Jones, King Mo, or anyone, can hit Roger with a headbutt they have a good chance of following with a crushing blow. Jones’ standup is sloppy with not a ton of power but very effective in creating space so he can take guys down. Does he want to take Roger down? Of course not, he’d be nuts to take him down.
It doesn’t matter anyway because by the time Roger would be ready I think Jones will be fighting at HW.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 12, 2012 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jones doesn't have a ton of power
But he had enough to drop Machida clean.
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Roger Gracie will beat Jon Jones!!!!!
if they started the match on the knees…
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Why should a fighter in the UFC who is 4-1 fight top guys so soon? King Mo is a pretty solid fighter, and I felt that was too much, too soon for Gracie. In the UFC, there are more lower tier and mid tier fighters for Roger to fight, unlike in Strikeforce.
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There's only one person I'm interested to see Roger fight...
by Maclovio Williams on Feb 11, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
this is a major step down for Paul but it is a damn fine idea regardless.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way that fight isn't badass
Tho even Paul Harris’s sloppy hulk striking could probably overwhelm Gracie.
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Hey, he’s getting better. I mean, not good, but better.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 11, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Some muthafucka thought that he can defent heel hook by not cutting his toe nails.
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by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He was on a wagon in a field and he fell off and impaled himself on something sharp.
I believe he used some kind of sticky tape to patch himself up since they didn’t have any medical supplies.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
yes sticky tape
and then rubbed pig feed into it to speed up the healing process…….and then ate the pig feed
by Hell_Bent on Feb 12, 2012 2:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's from where Ryu dragon punched him
he’s never forgotten and has sworn revenge, becoming M Bison’s right hand man in his continuing search for redemption
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by Mattyjudo on Feb 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nonsense! everybody knows that Shogun is Sagat. Machida is Ryu and Paul Harris is Blanka.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
dude is a fucking beast
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
You guys think we could start a campaign to have Paul Harris paint himself green for the weigh-ins?
We could also try to get Bony Acai to sponsor him so he’d have purple trunks.
I'd rather be trollin'.
Gracie vs. Diabate or Gracie vs. Bonnar
If he fights anyone of the UFC’s top 15 LHWs he will die.
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Diabate is an interesting idea but I feel we have seen that Diabate fight like a million times.
I want to see Cyrille fight MOAR STRIKERS!!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought he should fight at MW, though there are a lot of LWH that could make MW like Shogun, Machida, Evans,etc They are good enough to hang around the top of the division while Roger is not.
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MW is so thin right now that every grappler or one-dimensional wrestler
Should move up to 185. Fitch, Shields, Gracie, I’m looking at you three.
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MW?
why roger is pretty tall ,lanky and thin even at lhw seems unhealthy to do that
If Roger can cut out carbs and deplete his glycogen stores
Then cut a tiny amount of water weight, he could make 185lbs.
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I don't know if he really cuts any water weight either
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BY getting serious, hopefully Roger means getting on a proper S&C schedule
He should stay at LHW with his height and spend the time in a S&C program to put on pounds of lean muscle mass. He’ll need that added strength to deal with the wrestling and clinch work he’ll find in either MW or LHW.
I have had enough shitty kickboxing fights
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
exactly!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 11, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Roger is good.
His last fight was unfortunate because he was thrown off balance by a King Mo headbutt.
Not to mention King Mo has been popped and that puts a shadow of doubt over his whole career.
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
No it doesn't
Not to mention King Mo has been popped and that puts a shadow of doubt over his whole career.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
How does it not
"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko
by tkotom on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
besides the roids comment… i agreee
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 11, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How dare you??
Don’t you know steriods are fine and dandy?!
Its the devilish weed that damns your whole career and family to hell!!!
if he can cut to middleweight
he should fight Palhares or Maia.
I don't like a guy coming off a fresh KO getting signed to the UFC
am i the only one that has a problem with this?
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he got KOed after a illegal headbutt and he is the greatest grappler on earth.
maybe you are right though …. does he deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as people like Matt Brown., Leonard Garcia or Bruce Leroy? Cmon’ son.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 11, 2012 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In related news
I really don’t care for King Mo. I’m looking forward to the day that he comes to the UFC and gets exposed by top-flight light heavies who are bigger than him, can negate his wrestling and light him up standing.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 11, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
who can negate his wrestling
he has far and away the best wrestling in the LHW division, and besides Cormier I think he is the most decorated wrestler in all of mma
by OneFitchTwoFitchRedFitchBlueFitch on Feb 11, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jones has never been taken down
Rampage has some of the best TDD in the game. Machida isn’t easy to get to the ground either. Same with Rashad. Outside of the top 10, he’ll give a lot of people problems, so I don’t agree with Monte that he’d be somehow “exposed” with a move to the UFC.
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I'm just bitter that he roided up
and beat my boy Lorenz Larkin. I also don’t like his personality. And think there are at least a half dozen UFC light heavies who beat him on any given day.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Can't disagree with that really
But only getting beat by a half dozen elite fighters isn’t really a poor accomplishment either
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Surprised you think that about his personality Monte. I always find him a decent guy whenever i see him interviewed.
He's obviously really smart
but I find him really, really condescending about MMA fans and their supposed inability to appreciate wrestling.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 12, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you esp about Garcia
But coming off that undisputed ko idk man
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 11, 2012 9:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Roger should stick to Light Heavy
He was doing fine there so far and didn’t look horrible against Mo sans the headbutt.
I could see him reaching top 10 and he uses his reach better than Struve so maybe that’ll be a factor.
he uses his reach better than Struve
That’s like saying he rides a bike better than a paraplegic.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
please somebody tell me how you rec from mobile app
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You can't
you just say “mobile rec”
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Burke, who are the sources that are disputing the announcement?
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Can't say I'm surprised if he didn't sign
Always seemed like a guy looking for a quick buck and not like someone who really wanted to do mma. That’s all good and fine but usually the ufc isn’t having that.
by Rabbit915 on Feb 11, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He has zero sponsors on his shorts
I think you may be a little off base with the money grabbing idea.
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by Well Read Idiot on Feb 12, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah he doesn't need the money
he has a super successful academy, in five years he will be able to charge more than Rickson or Royce for privates and grapplers beat down the doors for seminars with him.
The man is set.
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it is still amazing to me
how many people think and treat Royce like the king of grapplers. It contributes to his HUGE ego and exorbitant prices. I understand his historical significance, but DAMN. Shit pisses me off
by OneFitchTwoFitchRedFitchBlueFitch on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
yep
Royce is a great black belt for sure. Anyone who grows up in an art will be. But his success in the early UFCs against guys who had little or no grappling chops.
I mentioned Royce because he rolls in HUGE private fees because of that fame. Not sure if that was the point you were making also, just wanted to clarify.
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This was my point
Unlike most grapplers who turn to mma because they need money that they can’t get in jiu jitsu, he doesn’t need the money. That’s why he has no will to seriously compete in mma regularly unless he’s making bank. That’s what I’ve heard regarding his strikeforce contract.
by Rabbit915 on Feb 12, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the Gracie's in general
have an approach right now that they know they aren’t the top dogs any more. But tons of people are more than happy to make their names off beating a Gracie (see Eddie Bravo).
so the Gracies have the general attitude that if you going to go out there, get a serious payday out of it.
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"Gotchya" journalism strikes again
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Feb 11, 2012 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure if you understand the term "gotcha journalism"
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
huh? How is it "gotcha journalism"?
there was no interview or trap questions…
we just published that there was a report that Roger was going to the UFC and that he was eyeing a drop to middleweight
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Gotcha journalism is when Katie Couric asks Sarah Palin what she reads, for example. It isn’t this.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Feb 12, 2012 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
to be fair, I don't think Couric thought "What do you read" was going to be a showstopper before she asked it
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 12, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Read?
Who the fuck expects a candidate for a top governmental position to read?
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I feel i have to say something bad or mock this dude in order to fit in.
I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
by krste on Feb 12, 2012 6:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
showtime probably said wait a minute.....he has been a big name on their cards for awhile.
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the only time every guy at my Gracie Barra knew there was a Strikeforce card coming was when Roger was on it
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Are we forgetting that Roger Gracie has only had five fights in six years?
The guy is a prospect at this point. He’s a baby in the sport. Of course he has holes in his game, MMA was never his full time focus. Let’s get him fighting on a consistent basis against lower to mid tier competition and see how he does. The guy has never fought three times in a single year.
Just because his last name is infamous doesn’t mean that he’s ready to fight anyone near the top 20.
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