UFC’s Hopes For A Stadium Show In Sao Paulo Appear To Be Dead
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Dana’s dream of having a big UFC show in a stadium in Brazil appears to be dead, at least for the city of Sao Paulo, which would host the return of the UFC to Brazil in June and would showcase the TUF Brazil finals, a rematch between Vitor Belfort and Wanderlei Silva and would have as its main event the long awaited rematch between UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva and challenger Chael Sonnen.
A non-profit organization called Viva Pacaembu has taken action to prevent the UFC from hosting its show in the Pacaembu stadium. A judicial decision was made yesterday that would prevent the organization from occupying the stadium after 12AM, claiming that after that specific time slot the loudest the noise can reach would be at 45 decibels.
"First was the difficulty with the noise. (Then) the Viva Pacaembu organization demanded that the law of noise ordinance would have the limit of 45 decibels, which is impossible. I even bought a noise measurer and took it to the Mayor’s office, and it measured 60 decibels" said the Secretary of Sports, Bebeto Haddad.
Haddad also showed frustration in trying to explain that the time slot for which the event would take place could not be different; "the UFC is an event broadcasted to 150 countries, we have to adapt to the time zone of many countries. There’s no way we could make this end before midnight" he concluded.
Unfortunately for the UFC, most of the big stadiums are under renovations for the 2014 World Cup, leaving the bigger Morumbi stadium the only other available stadium to host the UFC in Sao Paulo. The Morumbi stadium has its problem though, as they don’t meet all of Zuffa’s demands, such as covering the grass in the case of rain. It also does not have the support of the City Administrators:
"It’s different than it would have been in Pacaembu, which is our stadium. But of course we’ll help with what we can for the UFC to come to Sao Paulo. For them (Morumbi) it should be easier, because the noise ordinance law is more flexible in that area. They can even infringe the law, if that’s the case, and pay a fine, but they wouldn’t be able to do that as a public building, as is the Pacaembu" Haddad concluded. The difference here is that the Pacaembu stadium is public while the Morumbi stadium is private.
Morumbi appears to still be open to do business with the UFC:
"We haven’t spoken to the UFC again, we’re in the same page (of negotiation) as before, but we are open to do business (with them). The Morumbi stadium is ready to receive any type of show" said Roberto Natel who is responsible for the negotiations of the stadium.
The question is if the UFC would want to go to the Morumbi, given that the stadium will not comply with its demands. I suspect that the UFC will have to look for an indoor arena or perhaps go to a different city if they really want to use a stadium, such as Rio again. Can you say UFC Rio III in the Engenhao?
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How many would the stadium they first looked into seat?
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by halitosis on Feb 11, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Whoa
That’s a lot of seats. How about some of the other stadiums in renovation?
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keep in mind that’s counting seats on the field. the two biggest stadiums in Brazil are the Maracanã (82k) and the Mineirão (75k), you can add another 5k seats to their capacities for the field, so Maracanã would be around 87k and Mineirão around 80k.
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Wow, that's a lot
The UFC can visit some of those stadiums after the World Cup though, right?
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certainly
unfortunately that’s going to take a few years I think :p
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The world cup in Brazil...
It blows my mind.
In 94, when the world cup was in the states, my little town of Los Gatos was the host town for team Brazil. For context, it was an affluent suburb of the Silicon Valley that mainly filled up from the first wave of SV intelligentsia – lotta HP, Apple, Sun, etc type people. When the Brazilians invaded we were pretty happy, but had no idea. When they won, our whole town shut down, people were just parking their cars in the streets, and we had crying, laughing Brazilians making us dance and kiss each other, it was awesome.
Then during the Tokyo/Seoul world cup, I was traveling through Thailand and Malaysia, and after they won, I was flying out of Tokyo/Narita airport. The Brazilians had taken over the whole airport in a giant, hilarious party. I saw Brazilian men hugging Japanese airport officials, kissing them on the cheeks, they were playing guitars, drumming, dancing, laughing. Talk about culture clash, you’ve never seen so many uncomfortable Japanese. I can only imagine the size and scope of the party that will be a Brazilian hosted world cup. I wish I could go!
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ha, the Japanese stuff was funny, we’re happy ppl :p
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by Orcus on Feb 11, 2012 11:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I have more than a small crush on your people.
I also think Brazilian women are the sexiest on earth.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I'm with you on both accounts. I secretly wish I was Brazilian.
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by gspmademegay on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
GATOS!

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by Unabomberman on Feb 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
i lived in los gatos for 10 years
nothing but expensive cars, small dogs and milfs. usually all together too
There's nothing like a world cup won at home...
98, awesome times… Sorry about that Orcus.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
it's cool
you guys always spoil our dreams in world cups :p
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Funny thing is nobody ever was truly confident that they could do it.
Everyone was always like: " We did good, but it’s Brazil now. I just hope we play well." Beating Brazil was incredible for us. But that was the best generation in French Football and Zidane always surpassed himself against Brazil.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that was a great team, that wasn’t the first time you guys spoiled our party either, but I must confess I was feeling that game was our for sure that day.
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 1:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
86 right? I wasn't born early enough for that one.
But I don’t think I’ve ever encountered people that were as confident as you on our side. The general feeling, even from players’ accounts was that we were going in as underdogs to the best team in the world and that no matter what people just hoped for a good game, win or lose. The 98 final is certainly my best sport childhood memory. The 06 quarter final is also the best moment of that world cup run IMO. Playing Brazil is always awesome.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hellz Yeah!
It’s who we root for every time our team gets it at the very start of the knockout rounds (every time). Especially if it is Argentina, or Italy with their catenacho bullshit (think of the soccer version of a GSP championship fight).
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by Unabomberman on Feb 12, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck Italy.
I’m still not over the 06 final. That Materazzi motherfucker. Seriously, fuck those guys.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm choosing to remember the panenka instead.
But man yeah, I remember, I was watching the gmae with some friends and I was the only one who saw the headbutt live, I was like: “holy shit guys, I think I just saw Zidane headbutting some guy!” they wouldn’t believe me till the red card came. Man seeing Zidane take off his captain bracelet and exiting the field walking right by the world cup in the last match of his career. That sucked. So yeah, the panenka is the only thing that happened in that game as far as I’m concerned.
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 12, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's going to be nuts.
Brazil is going to go berserk. I moved to Germany about a month before they hosted World Cup. There was like 5 games played in my city. It was 30 days of debauchery. Good times.
If this thing doesn’t go down in Sao Paulo, what are the chances of it happening in the other parts of Brazil? Rio? Sao Luis maybe?
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I don’t think they’d go northeast to be honest, I’m thinking southeast, and if they really want to have it in a stadium then Rio is really the only place available if things don’t work out with the Morumbi, just my two cents though.
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What about somewhere like Recife?
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by menckenstein on Feb 11, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
northeast
btw, I’m not saying it’s bad in the northeast, I was born in Recife, I just don’t think the northeast is very popular internationally (with the exception of Bahia) so that’s why I don’t think the UFC would be interested going there right now. Perhaps after a few visits we could see that?
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I just plucked a name off the places that will host WC games
And hit up wikipedia ;)
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by menckenstein on Feb 11, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
well played!
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by Orcus on Feb 11, 2012 12:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lorenzo was here in Recife meeting with the governor in October, and the governor made promises (he loves promises!) about meeting the requirements of the UFC to host a show here… They certainly are looking at Recife to host an event, but probably not so big so soon.
There were the rumors before that about a show in the Manaus Sambodromo, which could hold 100,000 people.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
I mean right now, I think they’d be more interested in the southeast, but I’m sure it will end up going to the rest of the country
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
How about Cowboy Stadium in the states
lower the ticket prices and try and fill that monster. Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but my would that be a fantastic venue for an event.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
There were plans to hold Fedor vs. Lesnar there had the deal worked out.
Also, after Fedor signed with SF, they also were planning to hold a fight with him and the Reem there had Fedor kept winning.
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by Rob Young on Feb 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the thing i can't figure out
is whether this “noise ordinance” thing is a legitimate issue or merely a political excuse for some nefarious behind-the-scenes mess we’ll likely never hear about (i.e. the ufc failed to grease the right palms and this is the result).
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions
yes, Brazil is a third world nation and everything is corrupt… sigh.
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 5 recs
Same things happen in first world countries too
Japan is exactly like that
by Rabbit915 on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But noise ordinance is quite a weird reason
Since it’s coming from the fun Brazilians.
If it’s Japan or Singapore I will so totally understand though.
People in residential areas like being able to sleep
No matter what country they’re in.
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Maybe they shouldn't have moved right next to a giant stadium arena, then?
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Corrupt politicians looking for payoffs is not unique to third world countries.
I have a friend who is a concert promoter in the United States and making ‘campaign contributions’ to local politicians in order to get around local noise ordinances and the like is a routine part of his business. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this were a shakedown, regardless of where the event takes place.
if you guys haven’t noticed it, I was being sarcastic. ppl just think ‘oh, it’s Brazil, why can’t they just pay them off?’ etc. that’s an ignorant way to look at things
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 1:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
exactly
noise ordinances, permits, fire codes and the like are tools often used by corrupt local municipalities to assert power over a planned event or building project. this happens everywhere (i think immediately of daniel snyder getting local city councils to ban walkup traffic to six flags in the interest of “safety” so that he could force patrons to pay the high parking fees at the six flags lot). who knows if that’s the case with this brazil card, but obviously i wouldn’t be surprised.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they're totally not the largest growing economy in the world right now....
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's legitimate.
The UFC is not the first nor will it be the last to be blocked by the resident’s association. Fun loving though they may be, they still like to sleep.
Nice post Orcus
By the way, are you planning to write something about that law project that José Mentor created to forbid brazilian networks to broadcast MMA events?
I’m too lazy to do that.. ;)
to be honest, I didn’t even know about that. I’ve been really busy this week so not sure if I would get around to do that, but it would be nice if you could contribute :p
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by Orcus on Feb 12, 2012 1:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok I will read a little more about it, but from what I’ve read already it’s not a law to explicitly forbid networks to broadcast MMA, but in other words that what’s going to happen.
I doubt that it will get sanctioned. He’s probably looking for a spotlight or to take a shot at Globo.
is this
what you guys were talking about:
http://congressoemfoco.uol.com.br/noticias/vale-tudo-contra-a-transmissao-de-lutas-na-tv/
?
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
wait,
non-Olympic?
we got a long way to go with assholes like him.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 12, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just put Jon Fitch in the main event.
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