The History of Subo: the bans, warnings, and mockings.
First of all, this is being posted with the consent of both the bosses and the subject at hand. For those who don't know, look at this as an educational tool. For us older folks, enjoy this trip down memory lane.
Last night, in his Snowdenesque article calling for the head of Nick Diaz, our old friend, Tim Burke (nee Beer Monster) awoke an old foe. A man at once so reviled and loved, he exists on our hatred and our lols (and the absolution of his parole officer). Like a drunken Cthulhu, he stirs occasionally to make Sean Sherk a top5 lightweight and bray at the inane workings of non-Zuffa promotions. He stutters through questions at press conferences, but yet, has a golden baritone of a voice, soothing and pleasant to the ear.
He is, of course, Derek Suboticki, and this is his ban history:
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Banned pdl 07/30/11 12:14 AM EDT Head Kick Legend Drinking and sports are closely intertwined and you've shown a profound level of ignorance regarding the former. You can come back when you understand beer.
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Banned Jonathan Snowden 04/29/11 2:53 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Picking the top 10 in each is not “cherry picking.” Stop trolling someone who is actually providing something useful. - Jonathan
Unbanned Matthew Roth 04/27/11 1:00 AM EDT Head Kick Legend Take 15 of the Subo reign of terror. -Matt
Banned Matthew Roth 04/26/11 7:16 PM EDT Head Kick Legend There will be no promotion bashing, especially Strikeforce around here. We're trying to build up relationships with M-1 and Strikeforce and I can't have you ruining it for everyone. I'll unban you but I need to know that you'll offer a public apology to Scott Coker and Rich Chou. But the first people you need to apologize to are Vadim and Evgeni. -Matt
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Unbanned Richard Wade 04/02/11 2:19 AM EDT Bloody Elbow Welcome back, subo.
Banned Richard Wade 04/01/11 2:16 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Gone! - Richard
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Warned Jonathan Snowden 01/08/11 10:47 AM EST Bloody Elbow Under no circumstances should you refer to a black man in his thirties as "boy." As a member of the team we expect better Derek. -Jonathan
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Banned Jonathan Snowden 01/02/11 4:56 PM EST Bloody Elbow Bye Derek. You wanted it, enjoy your time at other sites. Jonathan
Warned Jonathan Snowden 01/02/11 3:57 PM EST Bloody Elbow We don't need your commentary about warnings and bans. You're reaching the limits of my patience. Jonathan
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Banned Brent Brookhouse 10/09/10 10:04 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Remind us after the strikeforce event to unban you, but I've warned you on multiple occasions that if all you're going to do in strikeforce threads is sit around and complain you're not welcome. So go find somewhere else to hang out for a few hours. - Brent
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Warned Leland Roling 08/07/09 9:02 AM EDT Bloody Elbow "Pussy." Seriously, subo. I don't mind your comments when they are actually points, and you raise some good ones at times... but you need to cut the rampant calling people "pussies" and the like. Yeah, Apy is dodging me, but come on man.. tone down the language and insults. You're seriously on your last leg with much of the staff.
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Warned Kid Nate 07/31/09 11:42 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Subo, you'll go the way of Smoogy if you don't cut the crap. We don't allow fighter bashing at BE. Fedor is the greatest heavyweight in MMA history.treat him with the proper respect. Nate
Warned Leland Roling 07/31/09 11:32 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Insinuating the Fedor is a "gigantic pussy" could have been easily stated as "afraid of Lesnar". Please refrain from using those comments.
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Banned Kid Nate 08/09/09 10:12 PM EDT Bloody Elbow I’m banning you.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
My favorite:
“Warned Kid Nate 07/31/09 11:42 PM EDT Bloody Elbow Subo, you’ll go the way of Smoogy if you don’t cut the crap. We don’t allow fighter bashing at BE. Fedor is the greatest heavyweight in MMA history.treat him with the proper respect. Nate”
Hee hee – “Fedor is the greatest heavyweight in MMA History” – much funnier in retrospect.
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Because he lost some fights?
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by menckenstein on Feb 11, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
yeah he lost a couple of fights so the fact that no one has come close to matching his overall record
of dominance of the division for a decade is now invalidated.
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by Nate Wilcox on Feb 11, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Finally you understand
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 12:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
And this discussion was right after he beat Arlovski
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Right after he beat Arlovski
He was the best heavyweight in history. Is anyone seriously arguing that he wasn’t at that time?
by MichaelDavidSmith on Feb 11, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I know I wasn't
But I sure was calling him a bunch of names for not going to the UFC.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Also, what the fuck are you even doing here?
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm enjoying the thread, subo
Aren’t I entitled to a lazy Saturday of being a troll?
by MichaelDavidSmith on Feb 11, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
You certainly are and I'm more than flattered
But this goes against my “no one knows who I am” complex, and I don’t appreciate that.
Don’t misread the comment. I’m just dumbfounded that anyone of importance (no offe… actually, I did mean to offend everyone else) is here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wait you're not that wrestler?
F this I’m going to Chuck E Cheese
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by menckenstein on Feb 11, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be stupid to argue that he isn't still the heavyweight GOAT
Junior has potential, but Fedor has a helluva resume.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 29, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't unreasonable at the time...
…but his subsequent fights have shown that QUALITY OF COMPETITION matters. Not just overall record of dominance.
He certainly did have a run of dominance over top competition, and then he stopped facing the best HWs. When he started facing top competition again he was not dominant.
Fedor*
He’ll always have an asterisk to me. A deserved asterisk. It wasn’t just his management team, he chose to not face the best in the second half of his career. Mad props for the first half of his career, a cascade of boos for the second half.
The greatest HW in history will not be how he is remembered. But he was a damn crafty fighter who I have enjoyed watching.
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 4:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's still the greatest HW in history
Who’s passed him by? Brock Lesnar? Cain Velasquez? Junior dos Santos?
JDS is the only one with a shot and he’s got about, oh 8 or 10 straight title defenses to go.
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With the crop currently in the UFC, he could very well eventually be surpassed (in the court of public opinion)
Overeem, JDS, Cain.. Even so, it would be a while off, and the parity could effect their chances.
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by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
That is essentially my point
A great record against better competition should be worth more than an undefeated record against competition that is not as good.
Strength of Schedule matters. That’s all. How is this a revolutionary sports concept?
Also, sports evolve and sometimes they evolve so fast in the first 4-5 decades that those who competed at the beginning are not regarded as GOAT. Whereas some athletes, even though they competed in an early era are still in the GOAT discussion. I’m suggesting that Fedor will not be one of those. Is that a bit controversial? Fine, I can understand that. Is it shocking or stupid or completely without merit? No.
I made an offhand comment earlier about the top 5 greatest HWs in history.
It’s a weird concept compared to more established and talent rich divisions, and I’d love to hear educated discussion about it. It seems obvious to me that Fedor and Big Nog are tops but after that? My first thoughts are
- Fedor
- Big Nog
- Coleman
- Cro Cop
- Couture
but who can really say? Barnett has a legitimate argument for his time near the top and longevity. Cro Cop stuck around too long and hurt his legacy, but he was such a killer in the day. It hurts to admit but Frank Mir has carved out a legitimate argument to be the best heavyweight in UFC history in spite of his ups and downs.Tim Sylvia is low in the court of public opinion but one of the best the UFC ever produced. Junior dos Santos has crushed most of the division already but needs more time to prove himself.
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Yep.
Fedor might not be the head-to-head greatest HW in history at this point, but the record that he developed probably will never be matched.
Hell… I can imagine him ending up with the position of Joe Louis (Older fighter from the era where the vast majority of competition was made up of bums who, nonetheless, is still ‘DA GREATEST EVAH’) for the MMA HW division.
Just saying that in a broad futurey sort of a way, though. Can’t really imagine anybody from the current crop surpassing him without managing something like 8 title defenses.
Do I really have to spell this out?
A 24-3 record against top completion is better than a 27-0 record against very good completion. Or to put this in current UFC terms, if Dos Santos goes 8-1 in his next 9 fights I think that could be more impressive than Fedor going 9-0 against a mixture of top competition and so-so fighters, that is assuming that the level of competition Dos Santos faces continues to be high.
This question of undefeated-ness and what it means comes up all the time in college football and basketball when teams may only face one or two great teams in a season, but they’re undefeated, so how do we evaluate them? Thankfully we have March Madness which wil pit those basketball teams against at least 3-4 great teams in order to win it all. But in football we have no such system and this what drives fans nuts.
Fedor wasn’t playing Boise St’s schedule, I’m not saying that. More like a PAC-10 schedule that only had one or two other great teams, and some years none. While he was in Pride I respect his record and accomplishments, he faced the best there was at the time. But the HW division is changing and improving and will continue to improve as more athletes of that size enter MMA because it can pay off financially in a way that starts to compete with basketball and football. So the best there was at the time will not be judged as an amazing era of HWs, it’ll just be the early years.
Fedor as best HW of the early years? Sure, absolutely. But I don’t think he will be remembered as the best HW of all time, nor will he be taken seriously as a contender for that title. He will be an oddity, a fighter we’ll have to talk about and get into all the crazy details of M-1 and exactly who he fought which years. Thus the asterisk.
I’m projecting into the future here. That what we do as sporst fans, we talk about the past, the present and future. We speculate about whether a baseball player will make the hall of fame, whether a QB’s passing records will hold up in 20-30 years. We also compare Wilt to Shaq and Barry Sanders to Jim Brown and wonder how people will be remembered. The last few years of Fedor’s career will negatively impact how he is thought of. Especially when coupled with several years of not fighting top competition and in fact seeming like he was purposefully avoiding it.
Let me put this another way. Velasquez, Dos Santos and Fedor in a round-robin tournament where they face each other twice. And all 3 fighters are in the prime of their career, that moment when the sum of physical and mental abilities is at its peak. Do you think Fedor would waltz through that easily with a 4-0 record? I don’t. I don’t even think he would be the betting odds favorite. How is he The Greatest HW of all-time then?
by Django Z on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Name Fedor's top ten ranked wins.
Find another fighter with half as many top ten wins in the division. I can wait.
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by pdl on Feb 12, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry, can you please list Fedor's wins against top HW competition?
I see Big Nog, Cro Cop…and….
The advantage of time passing is we’re able to evaluate an athlete’s carer in greater context. We know how they performed over time and we know how their competition performed over time The fighters Fedor faced and defeated have since been shown to be of modest quality with the exception of those two. And even those two performed quite poorly once they moved to the UFC.
Meanwhile Fedor faces 3 good-very good HWs at the age of 33-34 and loses to all of them. Hmm.
Quality of competition matters. The Pride HW division was not “stacked” with elite HW talent. Props to Fedor for doing extremely well with who he was able to fight there, but as I said before, major boos for avoiding top competition after that.
Fedor’s career looks like a boxers – facing whoever he needed to in order to get to the top, then hitting big money paydays and avoiding top competition unless he absolutely needed to. It’s a shame and a reason why I have come to loathe boxing and love MMA in the modern era.
It's all about context
Alot of Fedor’s wins at the time were very highly rated. And I believe that the value of a win, at the time it happens, is the very most important thing to consider.
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 29, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
You did it! Fuckin' A!!!!!
Now in the BE HOF.
Whether its the GFPOAT only time will tell, but this is as epic as it gets.
(Subo should be given a t-shirt with his Ban History printed on the back and “I Got Hammered by BE” on the front.)
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This wasn't as interesting as it should've been.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 11, 2012 2:01 AM EST reply actions
I do wish the SBnation site
kept the comments that got hidden/baleeted. It’d make things a lot more interesting
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
$5 says moat of it is Fedor trolling.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 11, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Most, fucking hell.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 11, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Only one ban due to that
The first one, and all warnings before that in July 09. That was the only Fedor-related one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
wow man what did you do? I think BE stuff is much lighter now no?
i havent seen one EVER banned and unbanned so much in his life… i have no idea but i have read comments here nowadays which should have been banned too.
You called fighters names? I didnt get this Strikeforce stuff and BE stuff saying wanted to build out relations with M-1,,, what was it all about? WOW thank you Cory for posting also.. this is very interesting
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by halitosis on Feb 11, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow to me is kinda shocking
because i see many bands on his parts were kinda banned because of others personal preferences.. This is no good in my opinion
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I've also banned him to get him to turn in his rankings.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 28, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
ya know what
I changed the title. It really is a tad of a letdown since it’s missing some context
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
CHANGE IT BACK
lowell does not speak for the masses
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
It was false advertising
It most certainly was not the greatest fanpost in the history of BE
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think you should add his ejection from the BE Civil War
Left our team to die. BAU NEVER DIE.
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to be fair
I don’t care about the pickems game
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Neither does Subo
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by halitosis on Feb 11, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HEYO
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'll do what I can.
First warning from Nelson was me being a dick and the warning from Snowden about “boy” was me calling Cormier green in the context of a quote from the Wire.
Brookhouse banning me was because I went to a SF live thread and pimped the Florida-LSU game.
All the pre-Nate stuff was me dumping on Fedor/M-1 for going with SF after Affliction went tits up. I was… younger then.
Snowden and I got into it, like, right after I got back. I said he was fucking nuts for saying Carwin/Lesnar was disappointing (first warning), and the dates’ll make it pretty easy to find what I got banned for. Notice that Nate was often the one that unbanned me after a Snowden ban.
And then you have people being dicks to me after that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
" I said he was fucking nuts for saying Carwin/Lesnar was disappointing (first warning),"
I probably rec’d you for it if I saw it in time ;)
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I am new here but
Isn’t Subo the guy who posted a video on youtube where he drank his own piss?
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 11, 2012 2:12 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Glug glug glug
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I couldn’t see the hidden (and thus presumably not deleted) comments when I had my SBN powers. They probably don’t exist anymore. Now that I’ve paid my dues and taken my medicine, I look forward to adding to the list (before my birthday ban).
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 2:43 AM EST reply actions
Awesome.
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I'm new, don't know the history
Three years worth “incidents”?
Are the authorities somewhat lenient here perhaps?
yes because is see many bans only happenned because of others other preferences
if one likes a fighter he can ban you for you not liking that fighter?? thats insane i m sorry but it is
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its very strange to me still..
its only personal opinion. I m not parting of course next to those who talk in bad language. But as i told i ve seen some ban actually happenned because he didnt seem to like a fighter what others or editors did… i dont find this approach that correct… and WOW respect to Subo because others would be out long ago not even looking back… I dont know what he did or what language did he use.. but i see him act normal nowadays so i hope he wont get the Bday ban again
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Let's clear this up
SO AND SO IS A PUSSY
^ banworthy
I HATE SO AND SO
^ not banworthy
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Subo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHNP_VQPF8Q
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by Sweet Scientist on Feb 11, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
honestly
if you man up and apologize, they’ll almost certainly let you back in for most things
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
but was he an editor or something? i dunno his history but this interests me
also i tend to see now the staff is lighter a bit no? I mean there were comments i have read that would have as well give reasons for banning.. also LOL if one got banned how would we even know? but other personal fighter preferences dont really explain a ban to me…
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Well, if YOU got banned
you’d get a big popup saying “You have been banned from the community” etc. The only reason I have access to this list is because I’m an editor over at Headkicklegend, and Subo is a member there, so I get to inspect his ban history on SBnation sites.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Does Subo understand beer now?
You can come back when you understand beer.
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by lmaginary Enemy on Feb 11, 2012 9:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He understands that pee is not beer
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by menckenstein on Feb 11, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
pdl does not
He likes IPAs
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
was this ban because of different beer preferences?
…
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yep
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
The dude drinks Coors.
If that’s not ban worthy then I don’t even know, man.
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by pdl on Feb 11, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really, man.
Only time is if it’s pitcher time and it, Bud and Miller are the only options.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
If you've got a full bladder and a mason jar, you have a better option than Coors, Bud, and Miller.
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Who the fuck
Doesn’t like IPAs?
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 11, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
my first legal beverage was an IPA
They have merit for sure.
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
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me
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
My condolences
I don’t understand it though. It’s not even that IPAs are my favourite type of beer (I’m more of a barley wine kind of guy) but there’s just so little to dislike about IPAs. Drinkability – check, flavour – check, decent voltage – check.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 11, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
And double/imperial IPAs? So much fuck yeah.
Pliny the Elder, Ruination, Green Flash Imperial, Hercules, Blind Pig, Pure Hoppiness, Exponential Hoppiness… so much fuck yeah. And black IPAs? Man, hoppy beers are awesome.
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Anything imperial is usually good. Imperial stouts = fucking boss. Have you ever had this?
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 11, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I have not. Worth seeking out?
My current top stout is Speedway by Alesmith but I’m open minded.
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It's incredible
It might just be my favourite beer, and not just because it packs 17.5%. Quite cheap as well – it’s cheaper for me to drink three of those than drinking 12 bottles of the cheapest lager in the bar in Copenhagen I normally go to.
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by wonderfulspam on Feb 11, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
My taste buds are mildly defective
I can’t do anything on the bitter side, which means IPAs, champagne, carbonated beverages in general, although wheat beers and porters and what have you have enough other stuff going that it cancels that stuff out.
I don’t do sour candy, grapefruit, etc.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 12, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don't trust people who enjoy grapefruit.
Something has to be wrong with them.
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Stiffler
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this is epic million mobile recs to the
author and the subo in question. would of been more if we could of had the comments from DS that got him in hot water
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Agreed.
But I think they’re dead.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Subo should also be congratulated for winning the Royal Rumble this year.
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And people thought I was joking about the birthday bans
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 11:10 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I had the Rick James scene
in my head the whole time I was reading. with Nate and Luke as the murphy brothes.
man subo needs some help
just gave that mutherfucker some help yo
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
“Under no circumstances should you refer to a black man in his thirties as “boy.” As a member of the team we expect better Derek. -Jonathan"
That has to be my favorite. Well played, Subo.
THIS!!!! This ban i will never understand??
Have you REALLY been banned bc calling someone boy?
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Are you American?
If not, then perhaps you don’t get the racial connotation.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think maybe a non-native speaker might get confused, but almost everything Subo was banned for was ban worthy.
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's debatable.
Cormier was a result of me saying “that boy is green,” which is a quote from the Wire from Bubbles talking to Johnny, his (white) junkie friend. Johnny says he’s brown in response, to which Bubbles says “you ain’t even beige.”
Also, that was a warning, not a ban. Jon was good enough to not immediately assume I was a racist.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Imma viking bubs
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by Our Bovine Public on Feb 11, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bubs...tryin to get you brown, son
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SMH
I definitely think you’re not a racist, but you need a lesson in “things white people shouldn’t say.”
Yup
Ain’t cool bro
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Bro?
Danger, Will Robinson!
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by Snatchl on Feb 11, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quoted the show. Poor choice of phrasing.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
https://twitter.com/#!/eddiebravo/status/168390806405791745
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
The answer to that is "No."
Eddie should know that already.
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nope im not :)
but i m learning :)
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It should be a Suboticki v Roth match
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes!
Subo vs the Train Rider!
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haha.. So awesome
I want to take the opportunity to say that while I know people like to give him shit, Subo is a good dude, knowledgable about the sport, and ever improving at the radio thing. He was Roth before being Roth was cool. Respek.

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by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions 17 recs
Being Roth will NEVER be cool! Not n my watch!
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on
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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Don't worry Burke
That T-Rex ink is permanent, as well as the train yard meme.
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, no
Like.. giving him shit, cabbage, sleeping in train yards, Johnny Utah, etc, etc.. Subo was the original.
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
See what I did there?
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
YOU'RE KINDA BEING A DICK RIGHT NOW
by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Burke isn't?
Does being Canadian give him some kind of pass?
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
You’re fucking right it does.
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Did you pretty much just say all Canadians are dicks?
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 12, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
YOU SEEM SURPRISED
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 12, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
You're the man
There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?
by ElliotMatheny on Feb 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Darick.
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): Fuckin’ dick!
by Charles Awad on Feb 12, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Man this is great
Ah, the good ol days.
I pretty much lurk here but I’ve been here under a few names before: xAtlasx, BeardedNerd etc. and the antics and arguments of Subo always made my day better.
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The fuck
I think there needs to be a law that when you go to real names, you put your aliases in your sig.
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by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Co-signed.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Feb 11, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Never!
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 12:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're an exception
Waaaaaay too long/too many numbers.
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by Charles Awad on Feb 11, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
ChrisManyNumbers
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
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This is my favorite iteration of my former sn
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 2:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Happy to be of service my good man
Now I need a muckity muck to change my name from Gladiator163 to Andy Anderson
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
You either have to start a new acct or get a position with sbn
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 4:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ahh
Yeah not gonna go through that much effort haha
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's dedication
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
I don't know more about MMA than you, I just act like it at HeadKickLegend
Or lack thereof
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
I don't know more about MMA than you, I just act like it at HeadKickLegend
Or lack thereof
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!
by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
how do we change our alias to our real name?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
The court system?
/obligatory
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by BVandDietPepsi on Feb 11, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
How did
MDH change to Earl Montclair? How? WHY WILL NO ONE TELL ME?
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
The ye high muckity mucks
change your name for you. Like me. Or something creative
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Could you change mine?
Pretty simple: Just go from Gladiator163 to Andy Anderson
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mr Anderson

Bet that’s the first time you’ve heard that.
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Oh yeah
You are both witty and a quick thinker.
If this MMA thing works out for me, I at least have a memorable name. Even though Andy is a nickname I have had since before birth. No Andrew associated with this bad boy either.
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by Andy Anderson on Feb 11, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
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Suvo usually hears that from the ladies.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 11, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
But first they ask
“Why is it above your navel?”
by Sabate on Feb 11, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who?
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Suvo
Erek Suvolicky
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Shit, Nate shut him down for ten months? I don’t even think all my bannings have combined for ten months.
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I mean
it’s possible Subo just waited that long to ask for an unbanning. I was gone a while before I figured it had cooled down enough to ask to be brought back
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
YEAH BUT STILL CORY
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by BVandDietPepsi on Feb 11, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I never even asked
I hit Nate up and gave him props for telling people that didn’t like wrestling to eat a bag of dicks (I think this was right after Mo/Mousasi). We started talking occasionally (he’s a Dem, just like me), and he said “I’d unban you if you wanted me to” out of the blue one day. It was all very innocent, like an episode of Otis and Milo.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
That sounded
Like a modern day love story. I almost expected it to end with “I’d hold you if you wanted me to”.
That's been around alot longer then Louie
my Uncle used to say that shit all the time when I was a kid.
Great role model.
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I still don't understand where the piss came from.
I almost suspect he pissed in his mouth then spat it into the cup
then drank it.
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Really?
I thought it was obvious. Subo’s dick is located in his sternum, apparently.
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by David Castillo on Feb 11, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
do a google-image search for “penis in abdomen deformity” (sans quotation marks, and safe search off) and check out the 3rd result
by Grappo on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bahaha
That is awesome!
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Tangentially related
but in the middle of reading this “Renegade” by Styx came on. I feel like Subo is the renegade of BE
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Research!
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The Snowden Bans – Brock/Carwin sucked (warning). I’m having trouble finding the other threads (probably because he hid so, so many comments, and often hid his own as well). But keep in mind that I wrote this, this and this. The bannings continued well into and past the start of our radio show.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions
The first Snowden warning (our first contact of any sort, I think)
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly, I’m shocked I didn’t get into more trouble for the “Fitch cut by UFC” or WAMMA threads.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Subo's Lesnar Cain prediction
If he’s seriously about coming in at 240
He’s going to be eaten alive.
Yes. My belief that the HW champ would never weigh less than 265 again is one of my more powerfully incorrect ones. See also Forrest over Anderson (in my defense, I was drunk and NightCrewing it up for DREAM).
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I find myself calling you an idiot, a retard, and frankly I disagree with more than half of what you say. But goddamnit I love people with strong personalities. (except Snowden)
Wayne Brady makes Bryant Gumble look like Malcolm X.
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Brother?
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Sistah?
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(double checks)
No, I don’t think so
(triple checks)
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by RolloTomasi on Feb 11, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha touche
Btw I always read your comments.
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:D

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by RolloTomasi on Feb 11, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
:#)
Makin me get all rosy faced pushes your shoulder
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STOP IT
I’m getting all jealous. I do have a Twitter but I’ve only ever used it once and that was for messaging Dan Hardy. I got a smiley face back.
CAN I BE COOL TOO?
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This Subo fellow seems an enterprising young man from this post and comments
I’m sure he’ll have an enterprising future in mma blogging
Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?
by UK MMA MAN on Feb 11, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
You're as cold as ice.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, if birthday bans and people posting you urinating aren't signs of respect, I dont know what is
Nah man, that wasn't a slap, that was a hand trap, some deep level striking ya hear?
by UK MMA MAN on Feb 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That completely removed the moral point of drinking your own urine in order to satisfy an extremely foolish wager
Forgot this striking shit, let's hug each other!
you would think after awhile SBNs system would like stop you from letting Subo back in
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You poor bastard...
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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by Chris Hall on Feb 11, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaahahahahahahahaha
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How has no one brought up Subo getting yelled at by Rampage?
It’s got to be the high point of his career.
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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When did that happen
and is there video?
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That was the UFC presser. Not the one the week of the fight, the one from August. You should be able to find the video.
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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Here ya go
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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Thank you sir
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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I got one better lined up for the next live thread.
You’re gonna have to trust me on this one.
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Nice
Pat Barry made a wrestle - some schmuk in texas
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This is a fun thread, and I look forward to future posts and comments from subo
Forget this striking shit, let's hug each other!
Whitney Houston just died.
wow
She was young.
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drugs r bad mk
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
48 years old
cocaine is a hell of a drug
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