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'Cyborg' Santos Stripped of Strikeforce Title After Steroid Test, 145 Pound Division Put on Hold

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Following the news of the positive steroid test of Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos earlier today there was some questioning of what it meant for Strikeforce and the women's 145 pound division. Dana White was on ESPN Radio in Las Vegas this evening to say that Cyborg would be stripped and it sounds like 145 is being shut down.

From the radio show (via USA Today):

"We were going to hold that division and just do fights with 'Cyborg' whenever there was a new contender," White told ESPN Radio on Friday. "She's getting stripped of the title. I don't know. We'll see what happens."

Scott Coker had his own statement released in a more prepared fashion:

"Strikeforce has not seen the test results regarding Ms. Santos. However, we have a consistent and strong stance against any use of performance-enhancing drugs. We also have a long history of supporting effective drug testing of athletes by authorized regulatory bodies.

"Therefore, we will closely monitor the matter and will work with the California State Athletic Commission regarding any information we may be asked to provide. We also recognize that Ms. Santos has administrative process rights under California law and we hope that she is not prejudged before she has the opportunity to exercise such rights."

Speaking personally, as someone who has never been a fan of women's MMA, shutting down 145 seems like the best option. Given the lack of depth across WMMA, it would seem to make the most sense to get everyone into one division and force depth that way.

Cyborg's positive test may actually turn out to be the best possible thing for WMMA if it creates more depth in a single division and more competitive fights that fans actually want to see.

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Damn. Dana White lays down the law fast.

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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

rght thing to do in this case

Don't follow in my footsteps I walk into walls

by MattParker117 on Jan 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just majorly hypocritical. White's on the juice himself.

And you could tell from a mile distance that cyborg was on test/anabolic steroids just by looking at her fucking face.

Go big red!

by pornflake on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha, my brother ;)

growing 35 pounds in a few years is just age, didn’t you know

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by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You didn't know

Dana used to own the women’s HW division.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sabotage!

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He used his real name and everything

No one suspected a thing.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

you should volunteer your mile eye vision to help the commission with the steroid problem. I’m sure you knew Chael and Marquardt were using, and that your super special eye knew that Cyborg wasn’t using any of the other times she fought in CA but was this time.

by Phildo on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's always nice

When doctorlawyerCEOs take time from their busy days to tell us how they knew all along.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He totally is, he’s just using his fat to hide the evidence. Genius.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

double LOL

:D:D: triple!!!!!!

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:16 AM EST up reply actions  

just a honest question how many ppl had a suspicion of her?

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Jan 7, 2012 12:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

if a regular google search gives you a good understanding how not to get caught – I think most fighters do use steroids. Each hardcore fan knows this but hates it. Cheating in general is frowned upon. Since we can’t pin point anyone wihtout proof – whoever is caught gets a massive hate reaction. As for Cyborg, with her looks and the current testing landscape – I think most do expect that she does use roids – but we couldn’t burn her until she got caught.

by vivero on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

excellent post

will the scorpion king or the egg be the hydra
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly thought she was either on something or she was one of those hermaphrodites who are women but also have semi-funcitonal testicles. Like that African marathon runner.

Steve Reeves is pretty much the limit of what its biologically possible to do without PEDS. Cyborg… well… she was either the female Steve Reeves or she was on something. Guess we know now.

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by toxic on Jan 7, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

No.. just no.

Have you ever taken up bodybuilding? Putting on lean mass is easier than most people think if you commit to it. Obviously getting huge and cut takes someone special, and no one looks like Brock Lesnar in his WWE days without some help, but people who claim that the human biological limit is relatively modest (in the BB world at least) are simply misinformed.
You’d be amazed what a good, solid diet and consistent, effective bodybuilding can do to even an average joe.

by Charger567 on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Steve Reeves is certainly not a modest example of biological limits.

We’re talking about a guy who could deadlift over 500lbs using his fingertips.

Steve Reeves and Reg Park ftw.

by M.Sphinx on Jan 7, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/interview-with-casey-butt-part-1.html

Reeves is apparently as big as the biggest drug tested bodybuilders today.

I’m not claiming to be an expert by any means, and I’m not saying Reeves is the strongest a guy a can get without PEDs, but he’s about as well proportioned as it gets without drugs.

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by toxic on Jan 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In other suprising news....

The sky is blue.
Bacon tastes good.
Getting the flu isn’t fun
Simon Cowell is an obnoxious prick
My farts are not well received by those around me.

It was just a matter of time before this came out. We all knew it.

by DerSpiegel on Jan 7, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

There is no scientific proof that anabolic steroids does anything to the morphology of your jaw

by kieranski on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

Look at the picture of roided up body builders and tell me you believe that.

I’d like to know what study concluded that.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Studies don't conclude that there's no proof for something.

They DO determine whether there IS proof for something, and since the burden of proof is on YOU, I’d like you see YOUR studies.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, look at the pictures

by Phildo on Jan 6, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well its extremely obvious

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I knew a girl who was on an olympic skate team & she could peg former users who had lost their mass & been off the stuff for years

will the scorpion king or the egg be the hydra
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Did she then ask them for a urine sample, or…

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

visual

will the scorpion king or the egg be the hydra
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

So she was guessing

Ok, then

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and in high school me and my friends were excellent at picking the men from the women on Halloween in the village. I think we were right every time, but I’m very glad that we never confirmed our results.

by Phildo on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the guy she pegged was me bro, lol

will the scorpion king or the egg be the hydra
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Check out these ladies


What beautiful feminine features?!

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Cyborg looks like them?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The jaw

Apparently unaffected by AAS use.

Oddly, 9/10 female body builders look very similar…

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, I’d love to read a study linking steroid usage to cranial malformation.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know

Its just an odd coincidence.

Must be the diet or something.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, as long as you admit you’re speculating. Otherwise, I’d like a list of 20 fighters you think are juicing right now based on physicality.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If any other female fighter looked at all like Cyborg

it wouldn’t be so ridiculous.

Name another female athlete with a physique like hers. Just one.

My speculation is on record and has proven to be correct. That’s more than I can say for 99% of the speculation on BE, which is in itself 99% of all the content on BE.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Then who else?

Is she the only fighter using steroids? Or is she only one you can identify with your vaunted eye test?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone needs to sit you down

and explain the difference between men and women.

I don’t know what you want from me Subticki. I was right. Eat it.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude. First of all, nobody cares.

You’ll ride this correct prediction to exactly nowhere.

Second, women make testosterone too. Some more than others. And some women have more masculine facial features without ever having done PEDs. So unless every boxjawed chick on the planet is using or you simply got lucky here.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You seem to care a lot

That’s the point.

You keep mentioning it.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it's impossibly asinine.

These doctors, these professionals at the ACs, they just don’t have your level of perception and knowledge of the female form. Get. The. Fuck. Outta here.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So you admit

you care.

Thank you.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Enjoy your moment in the sun.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I’m not the one bringing it up. I said it one time.

You keep hassling me for pointing out a user because it is inconceivable.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want you to keep guessing. Don’t let your 100% prediction rate just sit there!

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure

Next time I see an obvious user, I’ll call them out.

So far I’ve only seen one for sure, and she just got caught.

"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva

"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson

by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

See, that's the last part

This guy’s acting like he was 100% sure.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's a crime?

I was 100% and it turns out I was right.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Because you guessed correctly.

That’s well and good, but don’t fucking act like you have some sort of system for this.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The system

Known as the difference between men and women.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’ll say, right now, definitively, that no other woman fighter juices?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that obviously

I just don’t understand why you’re so mad.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I don’t like accusing people of PED usage with no evidence. You did, and it turns out she got popped. But her getting popped today doesn’t prove she was juicing back then anymore than Marg’s wraps proved he cheated every time out.

For every fighter people turn out to be “right” about, there are a hundred that have to live with the suspicion just because they fight for a living. That sucks.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't prove she juiced back then

But it also dosn’t help her case. This could easily be a case of her finally getting caught. I’d be watching her husband a little closer now too. Addicts usually hang together.

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You are being stubborn and blind

Did you lose a bet that Cyborg would pass this test of something? Good god you are being dense.

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you can tell her astrological sign based on her speech patterns. But me? I admit ignorance where I’m ignorant. It makes me feel smarter.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I can grow titties

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"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson

by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's the thing

Not everyone is as ignorant as you.

by crazybones on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When its a female

That looks like her, it should be obvious.

Let’s not pretend that women have the natural test to put on that kind of muscle and be that lean. Its is extremely unusual without having Y chromosome.

Name one female athlete who looks like Cyborg. One.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this is ridiculous

look, i used to like subo’s commentary, and I’m personally not opposed to PED’s in principle, but the idea that cyborg has not been juiced to the gills is just not a radical or extreme position… and for derek to argue that filt is making some extravagant claim is fucking ridiculous

by chimps on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, can I predict if someone’s a man or a woman at a cursory glance? Not 100% of the time.

Can I make a reasonable assumption based on prior experience and have a pretty good rate of success? You bet your sweet ass I can.

by crazybones on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I will lose faith in humanity if the above comment is not eventually made green.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

He’s agreeing with me.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking about my comment.

The one I replied to. Holy shit, your batting average might be better than flipping a coin, but it means NOTHING. AT ALL.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what people are saying

Is that not a single person on the planet was surprised that a man-faced muscled freak of nature was juicing

by unambig on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think where this guys problem is, your basing your fact of steroid use on evidence that cannot prove steroid use

by kieranski on Jan 7, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think all women have the same physiology? Or was Babe Zacharias juicing too?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I do.

A woman Cyborg’s size and weight can easily weigh 145 and be ripped.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But her face

can’t look like that. It’s obvious she was juicing

by OzzDee on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Her jaw line does not and is not scientifically proving to show steroid use

by kieranski on Jan 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

What about height?

Cyborg’s 5-foot 8-inches tall, so one would think that taller fighters like her would most ripped.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Easily?

That’s the whole point. It’s not easy for a women to achieve it. Actually, it’s practically impossible to do with out testicles, and even difficult then.

by Schwizzles on Jan 6, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Try 185

Her husband says she walks around at 185.

by MadNachos on Jan 7, 2012 12:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If Cyborg walks around at 145, than I'm Brock Lesner's incinerated intestines.

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by sklart on Jan 7, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no they can't...

A quick google image search of Babe Zacharias clearly shows, although not the most calmly women, still has a very female physique.

She has the body and muscle mass of a fit dude. Because she was supplementing here physiology with what give men their physical advantage.

The AC’s have the burden of proof. Regular folk can use common sense. You however are proving that common sense is not so common.

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by Danthemmaman on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yourself, typo :(

Winter is coming...

by Danthemmaman on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

TESTERONE

And some other steroids are male hormones and that’s why the face deformation when females take it. On a side note, if a man takes female hormones he grow tits

by OzzDee on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

scientifically untrue, women already have some testosterone in their body naturally

by kieranski on Jan 7, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

A tiny, tiny amount

Men also have estrogen. Just not much of it.

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by TheFilt on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Amelie Mauresmo on steroids? She’s got definite Man Jaw

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by Robust23 on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it is known that HGH use causes jaw hypertrophy

In these cases (and maybe Cyborg’s) it’s probably the use of growth hormone that caused the jaw enlargement, and as you know it’s a lot harder to catch people for its use. Take a look at Carl Lewis’ earlier career pictures and compare with later ones.

by DrFernando on Jan 7, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course not exactly like them, you fool

The point is that her features (particularly her jawline) have become masculinized, just as they have with these women. Oh, and of course the extreme muscularity and muscle defiinition (above & beyond any other female fighter) is all the additional proof most people need.

by DerSpiegel on Jan 7, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

will the scorpion king or the egg be the hydra
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

c'mon man

you’re comparing a picture when he was much younger. Besides, most of the debate here is how much more noticeable it is with women who abuse PED’s

No, your dumb

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I've never agreed with you more

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

See, this is where the eyeball test leads you. Stupidland. Queue the Overeem picture that shows five years of development by a guy that almost killed himself cutting to 205.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

overeem, lol

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by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I'm saying.

But shhh. Let it continue.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

arnold was clean bro, lol

he even admitted to getting it from his doc

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by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

of course he is

no doubt. I just dont see why people thing differently.

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I told you so only works when it's actually confirmed

He hasn’t tested positive. You can have suspicions, but that doesn’t make it true.

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by tigerlee on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

these are not ladies anymore LOL

simply frightening

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

HGH does though

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by mmazing on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not what she got popped for.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

And this is nothing but conjecture and open, uninformed speculation, but isn’t that shit way hard to test for

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by mmazing on Jan 6, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It is

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

HGH does though, I think.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

testosterone does not

But growth hormone does, that is where the body builder women get it from
.

by MadNachos on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i as woman have trained with many women

also professionals like weightlifters, bodybuilders. The sad this is, that in many camps they make it like an obligatory ritual.. many kinda forced to start on roids. I have heard it myself and seen the results on others. Women put their body to much higher risks than men…

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

pornflake is right

i could tell Cyborg is heavily on roids because it seems so. You could make “before” “after” pics of her really and of course she is not alone.. that only title fights are tested tells a lot. And yes its hypocricy its like an open secret. Roids seem on a woman a lot more than a man. Cyborg lately she was more like a man like a woman you can tell …

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You can't keep the belt after defending it and testing positive.

Also, you can’t get a win in a title fight if you’re the challenger and you test positive. Looking at you, NSAC/Josh Barnett.

Honestly, there’s good in WMMA for this: instead of Rousey leaping up to an alien division, she and her compatriots at 135 are free to ply their trade without knowing that Cyborg vs _ (where ______ represents her opponent’s grave plot) is going to steal their thunder.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Or, Rousey could win Tate's belt, then challenge for the 145 strap.

If things go her way, that is.

With things being the way they are now, it would look silly if her title bout with Tate was called off.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure. But I don’t like the idea of talented 135ers going out of their comfort zone because there’s one famous fighter that can’t make the same weight that everyone else does.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Like you said, the two of them. The rest have been bouncing between 135 and 145. Some are more natural 135 and some are natural 145. But for the sake of a deeper, talent rich division make it 140 for the better of the sport.

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by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree.

Name five natural 145ers* not named Cyborg or Carano

*that people have heard of

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree with this

A large majority skilled female fighters fight at 135 or less.

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yamanaka, Nunes, Dandois, Budd, Rousey.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rousey says she can fight at 135

Which going by the weight she competed in Judo, I have no reason to believe she isn’t naturally a 135er.

The rest aren’t that good.

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i thought Rousey

said she didn’t want to keep cutting so much weight since she had cut weight for years training for the Olympics.

by Cindjor on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

She also said she didn't have a diet and cut weight by herself

I’m sure Mike Dolce or someone can get her down fifteen pounds easy.

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Cyborg said she could cut to 135 too. Rousey has always fought at this weight. Women have completely different issues with weight cutting than men do. And the rest dont suck.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Cyborg can fight 135...

…then why do we need 145, again?

Also, with how sucked in Cyborg’s cheeks looked last time out, I don’t think she can make 135. Then again, sans roids…

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We don’t need 145. I think it is in WMMA’s best interest to open up the weight class some more and settle at 140. Women can’t cut weight the same way men can. They shouldn’t have to set in their weight classes. A division with Gina, Cyborg, Rousey, Tate, Coenen, Carmouche, Yamanaka, Nunes, Dandois, Kaufman, Davis, Akano, etc is an exciting weight class and women won’t have to destroy their uterus to be in it.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tate doesn't want to go.

And she shouldn’t have to.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t know that for sure.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Let's ask her!

Hey Miesha, want to see your belt melt away and your training regiment change completely?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

*to see

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

She wanted to fight Kaufman over Rousey.

There’s a lot of sport in Miesha as opposed to showmanship.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ten pounds makes the kind of difference that she would have to change everything. Five? No. And the upside for big fights on a regular basis would make it worth it. Or she can fight once a year forever. Let’s take all of the possibilities into account, not just one.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There’s more than one fight a year for Tate at 135. That division isn’t crying out for Cyborg or Carano to save it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Her last fight was in June and her next isn't until March

The scheduling in SF throughout all divisions is rough enough, it doesn’t need to be aided by deplorably weak divisions, when that’s unnecessary.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think 135 is deplorably weak

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Then why can't the champion get a fight more than once in 8 months?

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Strikeforce sucks

/full circle

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured you may have changed you stance now that Zuffa absorbed SF.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’ll get better this year in terms of matchmaking and not having people like Tate on the shelf.

Also, Miesha had knee surgery last year. That didn’t help.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But Strikeforce is Zuffa is Strikeforce is….

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It’s a new year. Shelby > Chou.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So they don’t suck.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

see now you're going to piss memitim off

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not pissed, just sad for the poor chap. He’s entitled to his wrong opinion.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But, the division could become vastly more interesting with them in it and the others, and they don’t have to shrink their uterus several sizes in order to make the cut.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You and your uterus talk

And yet you have no sympathy for Chael Sonnen’s testicles. For shame.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have tons of sympathy for Chael’s or anyone’s testes that are not up to snuff. Just don’t show up on fight night with your T levels sky high above the norm against a guy who is riding an epic UFC win streak.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

…unless the AC approves it.

/Dan Henderson

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, show up on fight night and other times the AC request with normal T levels and there is nothing to complain about. Thems the rules.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. Pretty much. Not that big a jump and tons more competition.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tons=two

Really man, you and I like WMMA (I got my Team Modafferi shirt in the mail today), but I think you’re pushing this idea for two women: one that doesn’t seem terribly interested in fighting, one that just got popped for roids, and both have had issues making 145 in the past.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

More than two. The list of fighters I put together above is a very compelling division, much more than the current 135, and a lot of them swing between 135 and 145. Biologically that makes sense because women have a whole different set of issues with weight. Having a talented top 15 in one weight class makes for lots of good fights. That’s all I want.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who at 45 is really worth keeping around

That can’t make 135? Outside of Cyborg herself, there isn’t much at 145 except prospects really.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Read my list above.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I read your list

And I still don’t see any names really worth keeping at 145.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Then you don’t know their value. Doesn’t change what they can bring to the table in a unified division.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 7, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who is really a high level fighter at 145?

Because it’s not Hiroko Yamanaka or Randamie.

It’s easy to just say something and not back it up.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, you don’t know their value if you are dissing Yamanaka. Amanda Nunes is a more natural 145 fighter. Same with Dandois and Rousey. Apparently you think they suck, except Rousey, but you are wrong. That’s all there is to it.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 7, 2012 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yamanaka hasn’t finished most of her subpar competition, if Rousey walks around at 150 she is naturally a 135 pounder. Nunes can make the weight so that is irrelevant.

Honestly you’re going to make a new division just so you can include Yamanaka?

You’re not making much sense and you’re certainly not making a good argument.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Cerrone said he could cut to 145

Just because a fighter says it doesn’t mean it’s true.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he only went 4-1 at 155 in the UFC last year.

Get the fuck outta here.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a legit suggestion

Although he already looks ripped at 155. When a guy of his calibre hits a brick wall and can’t penetrate the top 5, he might be thinking about how well he can do at a lower weight.

by unambig on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

he only lost one out of 5 fights

it’s not like he’s had 3 straight losses or anything.

by Rob Young on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The point

Is that he’s had a setback in his drive for a title shot. He can try a rebound match against a loser of Lauzon-Pettis or Miller-Guillard. Which I think is fine.

Or the other alternative is a look at 145. It’s not a ridiculous idea. Although he’s pretty skinny as is.

by unambig on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Cerrone makes 145

Even if he did though, I don’t think it would do much.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

WMMA weight divisions are such a mess right now

This is really for the good. Cyborg, roided up or not , is massive. How often does this type of female fighter show up? MAYBE Zoila could have done something with her.

Maybe there should be a master list of WMMA fighters and an “average” weight class or two established. I think that is the best that can be hoped for given how shallow the pool is world-wide.

Maybe they should simply have some kind of tournament system for now rather than a defended belt. They are trying to establish a cottage sport within a developing sport. It’s a tough call.

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by jackbox on Jan 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Zoila's not that good

She should have lost at least 2 decisions. Probably 3.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Step forward for WMMA

I think this is for the best. Addition by subtraction. This will ultimately help WMMA.

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As brent said a step forward for WMMA, but it’s an over all step for sports period

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by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that she had to do roids to dominate a division made up of 2 people and a bunch of blown up 135ers leads me to believe that Mega Megu is still the number 1 p4p WMMA fighter at the moment.

Besides, promoting the 145 division right now is like promoting the HW division in the UFC back when Sylvia was champ… 135 or more appropriately 125 are much more competitive divisions.

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by exsanguinator on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you

She was robbed in her fight with Zoila (who I like… kind of have crush on her). I was always surprised that no uproar was hear.

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by jackbox on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, there wasn't an uproar because it's women's MMA.

Sad, but true.

Personally, it could’ve qualified for robbery of the year.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This is Dana’s dream come true: One step away from closing down women’s MMA in Zuffa altogether. At some point he’ll say it’s meaningless to have women’s fights if there’s only one weight class and he’ll relegate it to an occasional exhibition fight for a nominal title in Strikeforce. I’ll be surprised if there are any women’s fights in Zuffa after 2012.

by ( . Y . ) on Jan 6, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

this

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by liptondrift on Jan 6, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good God, you're probably right.

If Dana White wanted to kill WMMA in the major leagues for good, Cyborg pretty much gave him the gun and a load of bullets.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Women's MMA is -- by in large -- neither good nor profitable

I’m not anti-women’s MMA, but like women’s boxing, if there is no dominant champion or marketable star, the market is too tiny for it to survive.

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by SSreporters on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Meisha, Ronda, Nunes, Gina, Megumi, Holm, Kyra (when she arrives) and even Cyborg (I would say even moreso now) are marketable in the right hands. They just need to create two divisions, 125 and 140, and bring in as much of the talent that is available and have at it. Plenty of exciting matches can come out of that scenario.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why fuck with everyone at 135?

At this point, if you can’t make 135, go kick rocks.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A wider talent pool. There is no reason for WMMA to follow men’s weight divisions. You can have a full, diverse, talented 140 division and 125 division.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wider by like two women

That can’t make the same weight classes that every other talented fighter on Earth can make.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they are currently the two most recognizable fighters and there is more than just the two of them. There are a lot of women who jump between 135 and 145, and there are some who cant make 135 so split the difference, have a division 15 pounds less at 125 and build the two. Why not?

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Because it punishes successful 135 fighters that have built that division and are happy where they are.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Meant to reply here.

Like you said, the two of them. The rest have been bouncing between 135 and 145. Some are more natural 135 and some are natural 145. But for the sake of a deeper, talent rich division make it 140 for the better of the sport

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Cyborg can fight 135…
…then why do we need 145, again?

Also, with how sucked in Cyborg’s cheeks looked last time out, I don’t think she can make 135. Then again, sans roids…

Also, my boy Donald said he could make featherweight. Just because a fighter says something doesn’t mean it’s true.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it is entirely fair to the fighters at 135.

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It may not be

But 135 and 145 are arbitrary numbers to distinguish the divisions. If it’s better for WMMA as a whole, than it needs to be done.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

How exactly is 140 better for WMMA?

Just because two fighters mighta sorta be able to make the weight?

Face it Gina is probably never going to fight again. Why make a 140 for one woman?

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not familiar enough with the divisions to make the claim either way.

If there’s enough talent that currently fights at 145 that could make 140, but not 135, then it makes sense. If Gina and Cyborg are the only outliers, and everyone else can make 135, then it makes more sense to just scrap the division as a whole, as there’s no way to garner interest in a division that only has fights once a year.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

We don’t even know if Gina and Cyborg can make 140, as both have struggled to make 145. On top of that, there is nobody else really worth keeping around at 145 except Rousey, who is going to cut down anyway.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Isn’t that how the WEC was running things before they shut down?

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

SF = wec

looting the HW, it’s already started. Soon there will be no more rural shows & the UFC will be last dog. At one time there were tonnes of lil wrestling orgs till the WWE dusted em all. Soon the UFC is gonna dust every mma org out there

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by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I love both the reactions

This isn’t actually a major issue in the big picture. It’s WMMA.

Every MMA fan in the world should be praising Silva for a last minute triangle that prevented this from being one of the biggest issues of all time. I don’t see how someone could not like Silva, but imagine the shit storm that would have come if he wasn’t so awesome.

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

They dodged a bullet with Lesnar vs Carwin as well, in that he was named a recipient of large quantities of steroids a few months after their fight. Not as bad as a failed test, especially as it had happened some years before, but still. Came very close to having both a MW and HW champ with steroid issues.

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by Horselover Fat on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah agreed

That story would not have gone away if Carwin didn’t gas. If he finished Lesnar, then the story came out as it did, would’ve been real bad. But since it still would be speculation with very incriminating circumstances, I think Chael winning would be much worse.

Silva saved the UFC from an image disaster. He should be compensated with “Silva” type money.

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good

I am completely unshocked at this, as is probably pretty much everyone. Good on the commission for actually catching a cheater (assuming the test is correct).

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 6, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Where is this footage from? I need to see this.

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by andrew861 on Jan 6, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Hundred dollar baby episode.

"You've got Floyd Mayweather making $25 million. He can't stop a double-leg..." Nick Diaz.

by pud333 on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit. Am I the only one who is actually shocked Cyborg got caught?

Well that’s one big blow for women’s MMA. Who is their next star? Carano is making movies, Cyborg is roiding….what next?

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by SSreporters on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Carano for an interim title against a nobody

And the rematch for Cyborg’s return.

Script writes itself.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Much depends on how Haywire does

Gina evidently likes the glam, and maybe can pitch herself as a kind of female action hero a l JCVD. If that’s where the money is, say by-by seeing Gina in a cage ever again.

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by jackbox on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm shocked when people get caught

cause its not like piss tests are hard to beat, i mean cmon guys

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by milk72 on Jan 6, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Clearly, she shoulda used the Whizzinator.

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by pud333 on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, there's actually a female version

I’ve always wondered how that works. Also, what is it called – the Vaginator?

by crazybones on Jan 6, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

in fact! I m shocked that many of you are shocked LOL

its what it is :D

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

thats a great shot

of me and Mr. Wyle

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW LOL

thats my gif of the day definitely :D:D:D

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn that sucks. Cyborg is my fav female fighter.

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by Kefka on Jan 6, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe if Cyborg gets off the PEDs she can lose enough muscle to cut to 135.

by Jahbulon on Jan 6, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

and this is all i need to say about this

like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
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by Mac Marley on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

Rowdy vs Yamanaka for the 145 title.

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by TheLastEmpress on Jan 6, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly? That seems like the best thing.

Rousey may not like it, but Strikeforce should scrap her fight with Tate, but Kaufman against Tate, and have Rousey/Yamanaka fight for the title.

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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

To be frank

I don’t think anyone gives a damn enough for them to need to a champ vs champ.

The same people that will watch regardless of whether or not Ronda breaks another girl’s arm first.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's try that again

I don’t think anyone gives a damn enough for them to need to do champ vs champ.

The same people will watch regardless of whether or not Ronda breaks another girl’s arm first.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be pissed if I was Rousey

Because I she would by in Cyborgs position of waiting way to long between fights.

by discoandherpes on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i think she is actually happy

especially other fighter women know if someone’s on the roids so she s happy it has come out before she bang her too :)

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

rowdy

rouseys stock is about to go up past the clouds..

by JGaLaXY on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

that sucks

but it’s only fair. it’s the same thing that happened to Barnett.
let’s see where it goes from here.

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by Victor Rodriguez on Jan 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

This is incredibly hilarious

and it’s even more hilarious people didn’t see this coming.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

ugh really

you’re really saying this?

by Pyrgz Krum on Jan 6, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

She's bigger than mark hominick.

Which is something I said at her last weigh ins. It’s not something that surprises me. Especially after Carina Damm got popped.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember you saying it

In an actual pre-fight post.

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by TheFilt on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But you can't be happy

When you’re speculations are true. Ugh really?!

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm disappointed I'm right

Because this essentially kills 145lbs. I also know that people shouldn’t let her live this down. Because this is absolutely absurd.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

I just dont understand how you fail a scheduled test. You KNOW it is coming!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What if you (me) never really had much invested in WMMA

I hope she fights next week in Brazil because I really don’t care. I’m honestly not concerned if WMMA makes it and I may be a horrible fan because of my position. This doesn’t have any impact on my MMA viewing experience.

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by Joben on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

mayn

i didnt see this coming lol, i was hoping they would put her against clay guida at a catchweight of 150 to see what wud happen..

by JGaLaXY on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Guida would get her on the ground and hump her for three rounds

And two ugly people humping isn’t really my idea of a good time.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Derek your being willfully argumentative

First, you’re a regular poster and have seen The Filt speak on steroids hundreds of times by now. You call him out for making a single PED user accusation based on empirical evidence, when you absolutely have to have seen him argue against accusing every fighter with an athletic physique.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

1. There was zero empirical evidence before today.
2. There’s still zero empirical evidence that she was using before today.
3. If you think the CSAC sucks, then why take their positive tests as gospel anyway? See Sherk, Sean.
4. @fightlinkersubo (I’m doing it there too)

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

There was observable information, that’s what his call was based on.

I didn’t once mention the CSAC, that point is completely moot and just adds to you being argumentative

I think I already follow you

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The CSAC conducted the test

I thought everything they did was suspect.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How is this a fucking point, Derek???

I never once mentioned them in my post. You brought them up out of nowhere.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in the post!

It’s a wrinkle I find interesting:

We all unanimously agree that the tests suck, more people cheat than are caught, and that the CSAC is a special kind of shitty. BUT – whether it’s Cyborg or Baby Fedor – whenever any AC has a positive test, we accept it as fact. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

The test sucks, so we should just completely disregard all testing policy.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How can I be right when I'm asking a question?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You're ridiculous to a fault

I have no intentions of arguing the validity of a test with you. An argument you brought out of no where, when confronted on a completely different topic.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This made me dizzy. Deep shit.

by vivero on Jan 7, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly

But that doesn’t address whether you consider this positive test legit.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

that it’s not all that outlandish for someone to think that CSAC is inept to the point of hilarity, but that the actual drug testing which happens in a lab at UCLA like I just mentioned actually knows what the fuck they’re doing.

by Rob Young on Jan 7, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Subo's stance of "la la la I'm not listening/looking la la la"

based on friendship with fighters? Why so adamant that “dude brah you can’t just claim Cyborg was juicing based on her abnormal jaw which is comparable to Nicole Bass”?

(Yes, you say “Dude brah” in this case)

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know whether to be offended or heartened. Dumb it down.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

White guy's clearly juicing

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Armstrong ftw

swan diving off the tongues of crippled giants

by Grappo on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I expect better from you, Farthammer.

/sentences I never thought I’d type

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

It's really unfair to accuse fighters of using, based purely on their looks

In this instance, Cyborg does have muscular/masculine features, and was popped for roids. However, that doesn’t mean we should just assume that any muscular woman is using, just because they, “look like they are.” Even if Cyborg wasn’t juicing, she would probably still dwarf the competition because people like Rousey walk around 5 pounds over their fight weight.

It would be like accusing GSP of juicing because he looks bigger than BJ Penn.

by Warbreezy on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

no, no it's not

have you ever taken physiology classes? or basic biology classes? women have more estrogen and can’t get as muscular as men because of the LACK of testosterone that naturally occurs in the body.
srsly dude?

by Cindjor on Jan 7, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you understand that that wasn't the point I was making at all?

Ronda makes weight when she stops eating cheeseburgers. The roids certainly helped Cyborg put on muscle, but even it she wasn’t using, she probably would’ve still been considerably bigger than her competitors.

by Warbreezy on Jan 7, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

no, i don't think you understand

the “accusations” you’re making. Nick Diaz was clearly bigger than BJ Penn on fight night.

and who else in WMMA even remotely resembles Cyborg? tell me, show me. c’mon man.

by Cindjor on Jan 7, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

troll much bro, lol

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by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

What accusations did I make?

I said that accusing a fighter(who clearly cuts weight) of juicing, because they “look like it”, when compared to a bunch of fighters who fight at weight, is stupid and unfair. It’s like saying that GSP is on roids because he was a lot bigger than Penn.

Also, I’d like some real data about how large/muscular a woman can natural become? All I’ve read so far is that, because women have less testosterone, they can’t naturally get as big as Cyborg. What the actual upper limit is, they don’t say, but apparently, Cyborg failed the old eyeball test.

by Warbreezy on Jan 7, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Still hit it.

You know you would too.


by Unabomberman on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 PM PST

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by Chris Hall on Jan 7, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 7, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

ohhhhhhh thats SOOOOOOOOO cute

thats how my cat does sometimes too :D

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

no lying, I'd taker her in a heart beat

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by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Devils Advocate

She probably knows she’s fat, so will probably let you go a lot further than a hot girl knowing this.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry, I saw the second pic first, lol

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by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Too late.

We all know you like em 350+ now.

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by TheFilt on Jan 7, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

She probably knows she’s fat

What, you think you can tell just from the eye ball test?

If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box

by Luke Nelson on Jan 7, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Masculine looking women do exist without steroids.

The estrogen-to-testosterone ratio isn’t exactly the same in every woman. In genetics, there will always be variation in pretty much everything.

by Rob Young on Jan 7, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

They.

Do.

I doubt she was on something ‘cause, shit, we’re poor over her and she didn’t get popped even in the summer Olympics, guise. She’s fucking legit as far as WADA is concerned.

Wiki her up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Gabriela_Guevara

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by Unabomberman on Jan 7, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He likes them younger

much younger.

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by TheFilt on Jan 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

She looks completely natural

And she may also be a XXY female. In Olympics sports, they’re not uncommon.

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by TheFilt on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

XXY?


Kinda makes sense…

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by Unabomberman on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

OMG

doesnt look like a woman anymore… the price to pay is too high for women.. way too high

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

At first I didn’t believe you, but the Fozzie Bear gif convinced me.

by Rob Young on Jan 7, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Gina Carano will make a brief appearance in Strikeforce while Cyborg is out.

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by Sexytime on Jan 7, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

ANIMAL ABUSE!!!!

Wait, this ain’t youtube… …uh, proceed with whatever bizarre thing you were doing.

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by Unabomberman on Jan 7, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He did the same thing against Rashad and Shogun!

Good call!

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by Unabomberman on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That bears jits is horrible.

by Huggy Bear on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

haha

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by liptondrift on Jan 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Prediction

Rousey beats Tate to win the title and then sometime in the not too distant future fights Gina Carano at 145 for that belt.

by taptomyarmbar on Jan 7, 2012 3:03 AM EST reply actions  

If Gina ever fights again

Your prediction would be impressive just on that alone.

by discoandherpes on Jan 7, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

She may not

But I think SF would get right behind prob the 2 hottest women in MMA going at it given half a chance.

by taptomyarmbar on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

hot women fighting like Rousey and Carano

if THAT wouldn’t sell than nothing LOL :D

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by szanpan on Jan 7, 2012 4:11 AM EST reply actions  

not too surprising

Maybe this will close the huge gap in the competition.

by DustinHAM09 on Jan 7, 2012 4:44 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I'm interested in seeing how this will turn out

this could help WMMA since for some reason when fighters get popped then come back they will be more well-known……or on the other side of the coin, Cyborg could have just single-handedly destroyed WMMA for the forseeable future (we’re a patented DFW tantrum away from no Zuffa WMMA at all)

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by OmoPlata on Jan 7, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

I for one am not convinced

she just eats wheaties fuel cereal twice a day with a multi vitamin.

by biggant on Jan 7, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Given the lack of depth across WMMA, it would seem to make the most sense to get everyone into one division and force depth that way.

Or maybe it should be two divisions: > 125 and 126-145, like the men’s UFC in 1997, just to reboot WMMA like you said. Fujii – Rousey just wouldn’t be competitive and it would kill interest in Fujii. The problem is that Strikeforce has never been fully invested in WMMA and you can’t build up any interest with their half-assed attempt of only signing a couple fighters at a time. Grand Prix both divisions with a nice payoff, build up a stable of fighters, and market it like MMA…aka the Bellator way. The reasons for not having enough talent are that there isn’t much incentive for female athletes to pursue full time fighting, and too many promotions merely dipping their toes into an already shallow pool.

Zuffa/SF should just scrap their shabby efforts and let Bellator do the work for them by building up the 4 divisions and then buy them out like they have with all the other number 2 promotions.

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by tigerlee on Jan 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

“Speaking personally, as someone who has never been a fan of women’s MMA”

Enough said.

by Portillo on Jan 7, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

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