Has Diaz gotten to GSP?
by sklart on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 PM EST
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We all know that GSP is rarely rattled, but has Diaz gotten into the head of the WW champ? Via UFC.com:
“I am very nervous that Carlos Condit will win on Saturday night, and that I won’t be able to fight Nick Diaz this summer. Carlos Condit is a very good fighter, he can strike, he is aggressive and he has submissions. He has been very impressive and is the type of fighter who gets better and better the more confident he gets.
I am not personal friends with him but I know him a little and he’s a great person. I know a lot of people who know him well because we train with the same people, but I have only spoken with him a few times. He is a true mixed martial artist. I feel bad, it is weird that I want him to lose, but I have never wanted to fight anyone as much as I want to fight Diaz.”
“I don’t truly hate him as a person. I don’t know that he is a bad guy, but I hate what he brings to the sport with the disrespect and the unprofessional things he says and does. It is sort of a professional hatred. He has been nothing but disrespectful and arrogant towards me. During UFC 137 (week) I felt like I had to walk around Las Vegas with my fists ready (to punch Diaz) because every time I came across him he wanted to fight there and then. Every time the elevator opened (in the hotel) I needed to be ready to fight in case he stepped in. I was on edge all week. This guy is crazy.
I am used to hearing (smack) talk from opponents, Matt Serra did it, Dan Hardy did it, and Josh Koscheck did it, but with Diaz he has taken it to another level. He and his coach (Cesar Gracie) have called me a coward and tried to disrespect my accomplishments.
All that has done though is make me determined to beat him up. He will bring out the best in me, I will be 100% focused, like a bomb-expert defusing a time bomb. When my back is against the wall and I have no choice but to win, when I cannot lose to this person under any cost, that is when I am most dangerous.
Also, as champion, I believe Diaz deserves the fight for the title. Style-wise, he is a very tough match for me and the fans deserve to see the fight they really want to see.”
Sounds to me like Diaz is in GSP's head...something that has never ended well for Diaz's opponents. Don't be scared homie.
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Rule #1 when fighting a Diaz
Don’t fight angry.
GSP might f’ck this one up.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 31, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it.
This just seems to me like GSP making an effort to hype the fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 1, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad
Then the only functioning Diaz will be Nate.
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
By 'f'ck this one up'
I meant ’f’ck this fight up’, ‘screw up this fight’, ‘screw the pooch in this fight’, or something like that.
Not f’ck this Diaz(Nick) up.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 31, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you meant
But I used the room for interpretation to give a more plausible scenario.
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Fair enough
I don’t know…hard to come back at 100% after over a year off. I don’t see this fight being scheduled any sooner than July, to be honest. Perhaps for UFC 150.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 31, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
evans did it against tito
And GSP is definitely a better athlete then Evans imo. Notwithstanding though is the tact that ortiz doesn’t stack up to diaz talent wise at this time.
by benten20 on Jan 31, 2012 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was going to mention
Old and busted Tito Ortiz who simply pulled off a miracle upset and with a 3 week camp doesn’t compare much at all to Diaz who is in his prime and has been fighting and staying sharp.
I also think Evans DID display rust in that fight…Tito faired better against him than he did against Rogerio in December…and most would agree that Evans is quite a bit above Rogerio’s level.
Also, wasn’t GSP’s minor knee injury followed up by his major knee injury worse than whatever injury Evans had?
GSP is coming back against a guy, whether it’s Condit or Diaz…who will without a doubt be the #2 guy in the world.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 31, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Tito ain't Nick.
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They keep saying this summer
But that just seems unrealistic given the severity of the injury. The worst-case scenario for everyone involved is GSP pushing himself too hard and reinjuring himself during his camp.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I keep having a fear that that's exactly what will happen
Unless they are aiming for a late summer return like the end of August. But even then, that’s sort of pushing it when some were saying November at the earliest initially.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 31, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
End of August
Would probably work; six months of rehab and a ten week camp would account for a quick-healing GSP, top-notch rehab, and the right scheduling, but we shouldn’t hold our collective breath.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Its possible
But not smart.
There’s a reason most NBA/NFL/MLB players sit out a season after surgery.
In truth, the ACL only plays a small role in the overall stability and ROM of the knee joint. Particularly, walking down stairs, landing from a jump and pivoting place stress on the ACL for stability.
A lean, gifted athlete could play a sport successfully at a high level with no ACL whatsoever. Its not ideal, but very possible.
The issue comes from two things:
1. Its very easy to damage other structures in the knee(like the meniscus) after an ACL tear.
2. The athlete no longer trusts the knee so they do not plant weight evenly on it(increasing the risk of an injury in the other leg) or use full strength when exploding or extending.
Georges is a great champion, but I don’t know if he will mentally be ready to go 100% on the knee. Especially considering that he’s already torn ligaments in the other one.
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No argument here
I should have said, late August is a viable timeframe for them to get him back in there; whether or not he’s fully recovered or ever close to the same level of explosiveness is another matter entirely.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I want Nick to win
so I’d like to see the fight happen that soon.
But on the other hand, I don’t want Georges to hurt myself for good by trying to come back from ACL surgery after 8 months.
Judging by his rehab videos, I have no doubt his knee will be strong again. But the time frame doesn’t look realistic in terms of competing in a full contact fight with a guy like Nick Diaz.
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And it was well played sir, well played.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
That's a really good rule
but I still don’t see GSP getting out of control in this fight. Nobody on the planet is going to talk him into a stand-and-bang fest, even Diaz.
I’ll be rooting for Diaz if that fight ever comes to pass, but I just don’t see any way he beats a healthy GSP.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 31, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
GSP will never be the same GSP
Once you tear your knee up, I don’t care how good your surgeon or rehab is – you are never the same. GSP’s success is built around his ability to move and explode and be fast. He will never have the same movement, explosion or speed that he once did.
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if anyone can come back from it
It’s GSP and I think he will.
by benten20 on Jan 31, 2012 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
GSP is not a superhuman
His joints and ligaments are that of a normal human. No human is the same once they go under the knife for a reconstructive surgery.
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What if he does some crazy leading edge of medicine stuff on it?
Like stem cell injections?
I read about a football player that had stem cell injections in his knee. Before the injections he couldn’t walk up the stairs. THREE WEEKS AFTER he was in an NFL training camp. It was his last season, but he played the whole season on the knee. That seems like fiction but as far as I know, it happened.
Do stem cell injections have any benefit to a recovery from ACL surgery? I have no idea but I’d assume so. Anyone?
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You are talking about Jarvis Green
http://drrick.org/2011/10/successful-stem-cell-case-study-jarvis-green/
I don’t know if it was totally successful. I mean ya, he was able to come back, but he was never the same. Green’s “success” was more from the fact that he had a greatly improved quality of life off the field.
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Agreed
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've had this argument before, but I think it's somewhat flawed on two points
1) Orthopedic surgery techniques — especially for elite athletes — have improved, and improved dramatically, even in the past few years. Several high-level NBA and NFL players (who put far, far more stress on their knees than 170-pound MMA fighters) have now come back to something approaching 100 percent from major ligament damage. GSP is young, healthy and can afford the best possible medicine, so I think he’s a great candidate for a huge recovery.
2) The version of GSP we’ve witnessed since the Serra loss has relied far less on raw athletic explosiveness and far more on highly refined technique. GSP doesn’t blitz people anymore. He is much, much more methodical, and I think his approach demands less in the way of pure athleticism than it did in his Rush days.
I say this all as a Diaz fan, and as someone who’s a little lukewarm on GSP at this point. But I think he comes back and continues his reign.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 1, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
I buy it.
He seemed truely pissed off when Diaz missed the press conference at 137. He then sounded legit pissed off after Nick beat BJ and called him out. Since that night, all I’ve heard from GSP is how badly he wants to take out Diaz because Diaz is direspectful, calling him names, etc. It’s this line that gets me the most though…
I am used to hearing (smack) talk from opponents, Matt Serra did it, Dan Hardy did it, and Josh Koscheck did it, but with Diaz he has taken it to another level. He and his coach (Cesar Gracie) have called me a coward and tried to disrespect my accomplishments.
GSP is basically saying that this smack is different somehow. That’s a sure fire sign that you’ve been gotten too.
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I buy it too
if he was doing his typical company man routine, he wouldn’t be saying that he strongly prefers one of his two possible opponents. I think he really, really wants to fight Diaz.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
Don't be scared homme
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Damn you sklart!!
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be cool until they got into my mouth and nose.
but no. I am a communications director for a few Canadian political figures, which often leads me to write speeches, letters, statements, interview lines, etc.
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wait,
you’re Canadian and you’re doubting GSP? What’s next, you gonna bash socialized medicine?
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
by DankNabbot on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm one of the rare Canadians who hates hockey, Tim Hortons and GSP.
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Hmmmmm
BC?
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Maybe if
you mean “gotten to GSP” in the same way that Koschek got to GSP in the TUF house which resulted in his face being broken.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
GSP was laughing at Kos on TUF.
He wasn’t walking around thinking “Shit, I might have to throw down at anytime b/c this mofo is crazy.”
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He was plenty upset at Matt Hughes though.
And I seem to recall him getting irked at Kos a time or two. Hardy used to run his mouth constantly so it was easy not to take it personally.
I personally think GSP is a pretty straightforward guy. He has admitted to being nervous, uncertain, and wary at different times before the actual fights. On record. He doesn’t seem to try and hide his real emotions. I think he has earned the right to the benefit of the doubt.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Diaz is a bad ass
During UFC 137 (week) I felt like I had to walk around Las Vegas with my fists ready (to punch Diaz) because every time I came across him he wanted to fight there and then. Every time the elevator opened (in the hotel) I needed to be ready to fight in case he stepped in. I was on edge all week. This guy is crazy.
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last time gsp fought angry
Diaz is the one who should be scared
by P86 on Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Difference being that Diaz is not undersized and he won't be coming back from an injury layoff.
If GSP can’t ground him consistently and effectively, and if he’s hesitant while on his feet, he’s toast.
Georges has his work cut out for him.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Unless, of course, he injures himself against Condit...oh, and also beats him (tall order, too).
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is a safe assumption that GSP will be able to put him on the ground consistently, GSP is also good enough with the kicks on his feet for that to be a big factor in the fight.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Except...
He may not. We can’t tell for sure what may happen tomorrow, but it seems quite likely that Georges will want to ground him ASAP.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
True
but if history and evidence tells us anything he will put him down no problem. People forget that GSP is more well rounded than most fighters and that is why he is such a threat. Its hard for people to outstrike him because they are worried about the TD Its hard for people to out wrestle him because they are worried about the striking.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Good point.
But GSP is at some very unenviable crossroads in his career.
On one side, he is used to having beeen widely regarded as the very best welterweight in the world but, at the same time, he kept decisioning folk left and right that then went on to get finished somewhat spectacularly by “lesser” fighters and, along the way, people got tired of him so much that he felt pressured to deliver a knockout, and when he tried to force things he got eye poked bad—this was his last fight.
Then, he’s been badly injured…a bunch of times or been on hiatus for most of this latter part of his career, so bad that he’s been fighting two times a year, tops, since 2008, and right now he’s coming back from yet another long layoff and from the nastiest of injuries he could incur in his knee, and against either a dangerously unrelenting endurance athlete, or against an overally dangerous guy everywhere that is known for finishing fights and being everything but a point fighter.
From here on out GSP is, indeed, with his back against the wall. And I don’t think it will be as easy for him as people are making it out to be.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
good points
I guess only time will tell.
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at the same time
He hasn’t been getting beaten on during those times. Not to discount the knee injuries, but it’s a different kind of injury than getting punched in the head.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
This is true.
Chances are that his reflexes are much more on point than Nick’s, injuries and all—Carlos? I wouldn’t know.
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by Unabomberman on Feb 1, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
widely regarded as the very best welterweight in the world but, at the same time, he kept decisioning folk left and right that then went on to get finished somewhat spectacularly by "lesser" fighters and, along the way
only one lesser fighter in serra, huges was legit, and before serra his wasnt the decision machine he is now
Dont act like your shit dont stink
Ummmmm
1. “He is used to having been widely regarded” Unless he’s a time traveler, and this is future past perfect tense or something, that sentence doesn’t make sense. Furthermore you then say he went on to get….that places his decision machine status you ascribe to him as being before Serra and Hughes. That is not the case, and Serra is the only “lesser” fighter to finish him, on a nice shot one punch KO. Matt Hughes is not a lesser fighter- he is now, but come on man. Oh yeah, he has only two losses.
2. Getting poked in the eye is not going to change his game plan now or ever, and using that as a logical point is just silly.
3. While your points about injuries are valid, as well as the ring rust variable, please remember that while all that is true, keep in mind GSP’s athletic prowess and really just overall training smarts, I’d say the cardio isn’t an issue at all. In fact, while you can bash him for not finishing, LOOK AT HOW MANY 5 ROUND FIGHTS he’s been in. Come on now. You never see a cardio issue with this fighter, so let’s just kick that one to the curb.
4. And then remember that GSP is one of the best game controllers in the business. Name a wrestler that Diaz has faced in his career that’s any good. Especially in the last 5 -6 years. None of them compare to GSP.
To wrap up, I don’t think you’re entirely wrong about the X-roads point. However, he is only 30. I’d say there’s 2 more years of this, at 2 fights per year. Four more defenses I’d say you’d be crazy to bet against him on. But I do think that this may be the best chance anyone gets to take him out for a while due to the layoff.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Name a wrestler that Diaz has fought in the last half decade....
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 1, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Perfect.
The guy hasn’t been thoroughly tested the way Carlos has.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Diaz probably wont quit on the stool in the 4th and then run to another division for an easier shot at the title.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I don't get the 'run to another division for an easier shot at the title' part
You mean ‘return to the division where he is the current champion to finally defend his belt again’?
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I forgot to mention it in the article...
but I think its worth considering how GSP will react when (if he beats Condit) Diaz starts taunting him during the fight. No one has ever done that to GSP the way we know Nick will. Can GSP keep his head in the fight in the fact of someone yelling “You are a bitch” over and over at him?
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I think he will shoot on him
and that will be that. If Diaz can stuff the takedowns- wait. I was getting crazy.
1: Highly unlikely that Diaz can totally stop GSP from taking him down.
2: Of ALL THE FIGHTERS EVER, GSP is the last last one I worry about deviating from a game plan.
Nick generally taunts when his opponent waits to counter and backs away, or refuses to engage. I don’t think he’s gonna do anything but shoot on Diaz if he starts hands up mugging at him.
But the exciting part for me is, I want to see Diaz’ Jits. I wanna see Diaz do some technical crazy BJJ and then watch Reren Gracie go “Dang… keeping it real” and do a sweet breakdown. But I still think GSP isn’t done stifling the competition. /shrugs.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
In the last 5 years, Diaz’ best wins are against Paul Daley, and a shell of Penn. People seem to really want to forget that…..I’m not saying Diaz has no chance, but the recency principle often clouds judgements.
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Yeah, in a way you are correct; but, also, recently GSP has been anything but active, and his standup looked like shit against Shields, even before the eyepoke.
Now, add to that that his knee won’t be th exact same as before, and you have a boatload of randomness permeating this event.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was more
That he over-gameplanned. Everybody saw Hendo’s overhand right nearly decapitate Shields, so the genius triumvirate of Jackson, Zahabi, and Phil Nurse thought that was a weakness to be exploited. That was more about the awesomeness of Hendo’s overhand than Shields’ predilection for getting hit by it.
The part where I’d agree with you is GSP’s seeming inability to put his punches and kicks together with any sort of regularity. He throws the jab, throws the inside low kick, and occasionally a high kick, but doesn’t really throw a ton of combinations.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, he will have been out for well over a year
And regardless of the time, he is coming off of two injuries.
An injury, I forget which type, on one knee put him out a few weeks during camp for his October fight…then a MAJOR injury on the OTHER knee put him out of action for months.
Ring rust, injuries, and an overall softening game in his last few fights…or decreased lethality in his last few fights…however you want to put it…I think it will be a deadly mix.
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
GSP thrives off of fighting people he genuinely doesn't like.
Diaz (and camp) is an idiot for not noticing the obvious. GSP’s opponents fair best when they are nice and respectful. I think GSP needs to be angry for his killer instinct.
This is interesting and all,
but Nick is about to get his ass kicked, so it matters little.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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by Unabomberman on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Diaz’s awkward punches may be accurate, but Carlos has much more bang in his punches. I don’t think GSP is gonna get to fight Diaz for the title anytime soon.
by MaximumWatermelon on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't undersell Diaz's punching power
It doesn’t look like he’s throwing that hard, but there’s some serious pop there.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 1, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think Carlos punching power is getting a bit oversold in the run up to this.
If he has an advantage there, it’s marginal. Hardy is the only guy he’s knocked out like that, and it was just a perfect hook as Dan was swinging his own into Carlos.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
He also motherfucked DHK with a knee. Condit is a hard hitter with any limb.
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by MicahtheCynic on Feb 1, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I'm a total Carlos fanboy,
so you’re preaching to the choir. I just don’t think it’s reasonable to call him a devastating power puncher. I’ve been following him since his first WEC fight, and Hardy is the only guy he’s truly laid out. It is true that he looks stronger and his boxing is far sharper than it was then. I’d just bet on the knees rather than a one punch KO.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
How prominently do you see kicks being featured
In Condit’s game plan. Nate and Nick aren’t the same, but they fight a LOT alike, and watching Cerrone v Nate had to give him some insight. I actually wonder what his strategy will be.
The best I could think of is keep outside, find range with kicks, don’t let Diaz train combos and that means circling hard and never getting caught on the fence, get inside to clinch and use elbows to go for cuts. At all times avoid stand-and-trade for any length of time. Don’t let the disparity of offense be too great at any time, which means pacing Nick’s game or being very careful with engaging with punches. Limit Diaz’ output.
I wonder if a takedown is in his plan, and how and what kind of kicking.
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Yeah it's tough to parse,
because trying to throw at Nick’s rate of strikes isn’t going to work. And I’m curious if Nick’s emphasis on Muay Thai for this will lead to a serious kicking game from him, to match Carlos’ diversity of striking a bit. Carlos looks to me to have really sound, quick footwork and he’s going to have to avoid moving straight back to the fence, which he’s had a bit of a problem with in the past, and angle off well. I think he will. And while Carlos may have a bit more punching power, it’s not a great enough disparity to just stand there throwing with Nick. I expect him to be moving, whipping Nick’s legs, when he can, and stabbing through Nick’s defense with straight punches, kicks and the flying knees. It’s not that he can’t sit in the pocket with Nick, it’s just a bad percentage move to stay there long. I think he wants to be at kicking range, or in the clinch throwing knees and elbows to cut Nick up. Use his counter-punching and power sparingly, to slow Nick’s flurries and move off. He does leave openings for a big punch to land, and fairly often, as long as you’re not mentally shook by the pressure. Carlos can get it done.
I can’t wait for this fight man, I’m going nuts. I’m picking Condit, because I think he’s more likely to deliver a KO or the more visible damage, and because I’m biased, but Carlos has to be ahead going into those championship rounds for any decision. His stamina is great, but Nick’s is ridiculous and I could see Carlos doing a lot of damage in the first two, but slowly getting worn down and swarmed on late. Hopefully he starts fast, cause Nick isn’t going to fade much, if at all. For some reason, with two of the best chins in the game, no KO’s between them IIRC, after all these fights, I really feel like one of these two is going to run into the shot they finally can’t take, or several. I think the odds favor Condit to land the big shots…but if it’s a decision it’s more likely Nick. And this fence I’m riding is busting my balls…
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
DUDE
Reread my prediction of this fight. Pretty fucking good, yeah? I just went to see how close I got, and I think I did well. :)
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyron Woodley fight.
I do wonder about the takedowns.
I don’t think either will bother until they’re getting hurt, but Carlos may be wise to throw in that last flying knee, or takedown attempt, etc. in the last ten seconds of each round. Greg Jackson never forgets those little details, but sometimes his fighters do.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
He also got the shit kicked out of him by Rory McDonald.
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It's going to be a war,
and Nick could certainly win, but I just think Carlos can match Nick’s pace, take his best shots, and use Nick’s over aggressiveness against him. I’d like to see him bait Nick into his bullrush style and just crush him with a knee as he’s charging forward. If Carlos keeps a cool head, and he generally does, Nick is in trouble. My real worry in this one is Carlos starting too slow and giving away the first round. If Nick has a cardio advantage, it won’t show until the championship rounds, but the volume Nick throws makes him a judge’s dream, and Carlos is gonna have to hurt him badly. Fortunately, Carlos has nasty elbows on top on everything else, and I expect Nick to be cut up over the course of the fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Nick, in my opinion, has two ways of winning
1. He starts off great and gets the momentum right off the bat…and it’s pretty much to gain the momentum and take the pact of the fight back over once a Diaz gets it…similar to Overeem. When they start to succeed and get a feeling like they’ve got you…they just keep at it and keep at it. Cerrone tried to use his kicks to sort of take the fight back in rnd 2…but against a Diaz, it’s almost impossible.
2. He loses the first two rounds, but in the 3rd finds his pace and pours it on possibly as Carlos gets tired…and takes the last 3 rounds in a FOTY candidate.
Basically, if Diaz finds the pace and controls the tempo of the fight in the first round or gets it in the first half of the 3rd…I feel like he wins.
He is a guy you want to completely set the pace against, mix takedowns, strikes, punches, leg kicks and everything…whatever you need to do to keep him out of his rhythm, you have to do it or your screwed.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
Pretty good stuff.
Though I also think Nick is a guy you can piss off, and play possum with a bit, if you’ve got the arsenal to hurt him bad with one punch or knee, which Condit does. I think Carlos needs to be aggressive right off the bat, and bury his tibia in Nick’s thighs early and often. But once Nick is calling you a bitch and flipping you off (God this is gonna be fun!!!), it wouldn’t hurt to let him come at you (bro) and try to land that flying knee either. We’ll see, they have the same reach, and I’d imagine Carlos is going to try to stay just outside it, counterpunch, and move inside if Nick starts to tee off on him at all. Then we’ll see who’s better in the clinch, and I’ve got my money on Carlos in a close range dogfight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed, this is a fight I just can't wait for
I’m a huge fan of both guys and I hate that one of them will lose…but I love knowing that there is virtually no way that this isn’t a great fight.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
I swore never to root for Nick Diaz,
after the Mayhem incident, at least until someone beats the shit out of him:) It’s hard cause dude is compelling as hell, and has heart for days, but fortunately I’ve been a Carlos fan for years, and I’m beyond excited to see him finally in a UFC title fight, even if it’s just the interim title. Can’t wait!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
I disliked Nick for a long time
I was hoping Zaromskis would Cro Cop him.
Part of me wanted to see Noons beat him again.
The Santos fight is where he really started winning me over and coming off as an all around tough, badass fighter with an amazing style.
Santos was doing very well, landing great leg kicks, brutal ones…and I was kind of like ‘What the hell, Nick is supposed to be good?’ and out of nowhere ‘Here comes Nick Diaz!’ and he pressed forward, landed a flurry, and took the fight over….it was just awesome to see.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
Condit won me over in similar fashion
His fight with MacDonald was the first of his I saw.
The whole time, he was losing…not getting tooled or anything, but for 2 rounds Rory was just putting it on him and definitely winning.
Something just struck me like ‘this guy isn’t that great’…but I knew Rory was undefeated, so maybe HE was that good…then the 3rd round happened, and I became a big fan.
Viciously knocking out Dan Hardy absolutely helped too.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
Haha, yep.
I can’t really hate Nick either, I’ve been hoping for this fight for a few years now. You could not have a higher likelihood of absolute bloody-minded manhood that we’ll never forget. That McDonald fight is classic Carlos, and also what worries me a bit. Starts a bit too casual, and then when it’s all on the line, absolute viking berserker mode kicks in.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I seriously think this could challenge Henderson-Shogun
I mean, it’s hard to peg these types of fights before they happen…but it’s hard to see it NOT being that way.
I mean, a quick and epic KO or Sub is always possible…but these guys exemplify the ‘WAR’ meme.
I think the Hardy and Kim fights showed a Condit that is a bit more keen to pick up an opening for an early finish. I honestly think that would be very hard to get on Nick…but I think Condit will try.
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I am totally there. The wost part about this fight is that it will be over saturday night, and I won’t have the pleasure of knowing what a great fight i am about to see. :) My hope is that it is close enough to demand a rematch.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Is it wrong to demand a trilogy before the first one goes down?
Cause I’m in, although think about Nick vs. Diego, Carlos vs. Kos or Thiago, and on and on. So many good fights coming, on top of the Georges vs. ?
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 3, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
People who don’t think GSP will run through Diaz should watch Diaz’s fights with Sanchez, Riggs (?!?) and Sherk and multiply by 10. Many people around here have to hate GSP a whole lot to be saying that Diaz even has a shot against him. It’s crazy!
Come on,
Nick is a hell of a lot stronger and better as a fighter than he was then. No way he “runs through” GSP, but Georges isn’t going to run through him either.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
this is a great line:
He will bring out the best in me, I will be 100% focused, like a bomb-expert defusing a time bomb.
I honestly don’t think that Nick is in GSP’s head, both have said that they don’t hate each other, i just think this is his way of hyping a potentially very lucrative fight against Diaz.
Man
he got so much more smack from Hughes and Kos on TUF, and that was when they were all together all the time. Now if Nick and GSP were on TUF opposite each other, well, wow. Actually, Nick as a coach on TUF…
MAKE THAT HAPPEN!!!!!!
omg that would be total win! against GSP!!!!
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