Ronda vs. GSP (Or: What’s more important, being marketable or being exciting?)
Heard something Ronda said that I thought was worth discussing:

I understand where Ronda is coming from saying that fighters need to be exciting, and that being boring is bad for the sport. But GSP is a poor example to use and I’ll explain why in a minute.
First she should ask herself this: If GSP is a boring fighter (I’d mostly agree with this btw) and he doesn’t have much of a personality (I’d also agree with this), then why do people keep coming back to PAY for his fights? He’s the biggest draw the UFC has. His last 4 fights were all criticized for being boring, but they all drew 800,000+ buys. Whereas BJ vs. Nick Diaz (2 exciting fighters with entertaining personalities) drew 280,000 buys.
To say that GSP has done all he can in a positive way is silly. To think Nick Diaz as champion would be better for the sport is understandable, but also silly. To say GSP doesn’t have much of a personality is true, but it also doesn’t matter, and represents a lack of understanding about why people tune in and watch fighters and root for fighters.
Let’s break down the fighters in 4 ways:
1 – Fighters who are marketable and exciting.
These would be people like Gina Carano, JDS, Nick Diaz, Chael Sonnen, Jon Jones, Lesnar, and possibly Ronda Rousey in the future (and a host of other names). Fighters in this category have the potential to be stars. Nick Diaz and Ronda Rousey have a lot of potential in terms of marketability, they’re both interesting people and have plenty of qualities to get people emotionally invested in them. While they haven’t broke through just yet, they certainly have the potential to be stars. Once the Zuffa hype machine invests some primetimes/countdown shows about them, I’m certain they’ll be big, polarizing stars. For the female divisions to be big time, they need more females in this category. They need more stars.
2 – Fighters who are marketable but not exciting.
People like Miesha Tate and GSP in this category are fine. Miesha and GSP are likeable characters that people can become emotionally invested in. Because of this they can then be easily sold by the story and hype of the fight and work up excitement and anticipation for their next fight. The biggest problem with fighters in this category is that by the time the fight happens, fans are left disappointed because it didn’t live up to the hype and it wasn’t super exciting.
On the flip side, sometimes fans become so emotionally invested that a mere jab or takedown can have them cheering, and any small offense from their opponent will have the fan on the edge of their seat, shaking nervously. For me personally, I get nervous during every one of GSP’s fights. I’ll be shaking and cheering all the way through. If it’s a boring fight I’ll hardly notice or care because I’m just enjoying the roller coaster of emotions. It’s not until the next day when I re-watch the fight that I realize it was pretty boring and unwatchable. But in the moment watching live? I love it.
If you’re one of the people who’s not particularly invested in GSP, then it’s easy to form an opinion like Ronda’s and think someone like GSP is no longer good for the sport. But the fact remains, despite boring fights people are still willing to pay to see GSP fight again and again, because they’re so invested in him and thus easily excitable. Their emotional investment is a force multiplier for the excitement level of his fights.
On a side note, to elaborate on why GSP has no personality doesn’t matter is because that’s only one way that people can become emotionally invested in someone. It helps to think of fighters like characters in a movie. How do screenwriters make audiences care about characters? They use a variety of techniques (watch GSP’s primetime and countdown shows and see if you can spot them). Some examples would be undeserved misfortune (GSP being bullied, his families misfortunes leading into the Serra fight), moments of weakness/vulnerability (GSP’s very honest about his fears when fighting), making mistakes and regretting them (GSP/Serra 1) , having a dream or unfulfilled dream, suffering injury, helping others, etc etc. There’s a million things I could list, but my point to Ronda is that having a personality is great, but totally unnecessary in getting people to like him, care about him and then pay to see him fight (in spite of boring performances).

3 – Fighters who aren’t as marketable but still exciting.
Examples are Anderson Silva (kinda) and Cris Cyborg Santos. (By the way, when I say they aren’t marketable I actually just mean they haven’t been marketed properly yet. I believe everyone has a great story/endearing qualities that if told the right way could get them a lot of fans). Fighters in this category are at least respected.
People will watch their exciting beatdowns and go "Woah, he/she is a beast" but if they’re first time watchers they ultimately won’t stick around for more (or PAY to see more) because they never developed an emotional attachment to the fighter. Similar to the second category, they won’t gain or lose a significant amount of fans. They make great opponents to give fighters in the first 2 categories though.
4 – Fighters who aren’t marketable and are boring…
Examples are Jon Fitch and Sarah Kaufman. People like this… nobody really cares about. They’ll have a small hardcore fan base but will never be a big draw or star. They’re usually used as fodder and stepping stones, or are nightmare match-ups. If they solely comprised the women’s divisions, then women’s mma would stand no chance. Boring personalities putting on boring fights? Hmm.
That being said, I know a little about both Fitch and Kaufman and I think there’s a good story to be told there for both of them, if the media were willing to invest some time into telling it properly. Though you can’t blame them for not wanting to.
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Being Marketable is much more important
Like you said with your GSP example it being GSP is what makes the fights interesting when you’re watching them. Even Ronda Rousey’s example with Floyd Mayweather shows the importance of marketability. Floyd isn’t the most exciting fighter in the world. He is mostly a defensive counter striker and his KO of Ortiz was his first KO in 4 years, but all his fights were highly anticipated because of the drama around him and the whole Pacquiao fight. Another example is Chael Sonnen. In most cases he’s a relatively boring fighter, but people want to hear what he says so even if he lays in guard and punches people then it’s exciting.
Being emotionally invested(and that is what happens with marketable fighters) means you don’t really care how they win as long as they do. It’s similar to the feeling of you betting money on a fight. If I have $500 on a Jon Fitch fight you could bet your ass that I want him to lay and pray himself to a victory.That is why I don’t fight GSP a boring fighter. He passes guard and stuff like that too, but during his fights I always enjoy myself because of the drama. Especially since the Serra thing where you feel he could get caught at any second.
On a side note I did have an issue with Ronda’s comment on GSP. Georges is fighting some of the best fighters on the planet. It’s a hell of a lot harder to finish people of that caliber. Rousey may have more finishes and stuff than GSP has had recently, but she hasn’t faced anyone that has even approached the skills of any of his recent opponents. Plus GSP puts asses in seats and gets PPV buys so he’s “better” for the sport than Nick Diaz is.
All he needs is an opponent trying to win
You’d figure that would be a given in title fights (and generally it is), but his last three opponents were just trying to lose respectably. GSP is too nice and respectful to mock his opponent in the ring (and would probably look stupid trying it anyway) like Diaz and Silva.
By all accounts, we will get that with Diaz or Condit.
by paythefighters on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
What does that say on his back wtf there’s no way that a tattoo .
by youfailme91 on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he had temporary sponsor tatoos
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair to Kaufmann....
She did beat Roxanne Modafferi with a powerbomb.
The "GSP is boring" thing is such bullshit.
The Shields fight was bad admittedly, but what was so wrong with the Koscheck or Hardy fights? Had the doctor stopped the Kos fight once it was obvious his orbital bone was fucking shattered then GSP would’ve had a third-round finish there. And don’t give me “Hardy got finished by Condit and Lytle but GSP couldn’t do it” because obviously a dude like Hardy is going to fight with less care against those two than against the greatest fighter in UFC history. If you think GSP is boring you’re watching the wrong sport.
by Newman24 on Jan 31, 2012 8:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I agree that the Hardy fight wasn't boring
I know it’s not my bias, because I watched it in a theater in SoCal and there was plenty of roaring during the near subs. However, GSP abandoned damage for the only time ever, and beating opponents worse than they’ve ever been is a staple of his fights even if the finish has eluded him. The blame falls on GSP for that, as he could have made it exciting for everyone.
The Shields fight was messed up by the eye pokes. The overhand became sloppy and didn’t land nearly as well as it did in the first couple rounds, he whiffed on his follow-up strikes after the headkick, and he was being hit way more. We can’t blame GSP for that.
by paythefighters on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
The hardy fight was bad because GSP could finish a simple armbar
by discoandherpes on Jan 31, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
i think thats more of a testament to hardys toughness then gsps inability to finish
by benten20 on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know
If he would have just held a dominant position and instead of trying to pull off a sub he would have just kept hitting him I think he could have gotten the stoppage.
by discoandherpes on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's legitimate.
He’s allowed too much of his rather philosophical disposition into the cage with him recently. He’s become so tactical outside and inside the ring that it’s as though he’s evolved past the sport’s most primary means (hurt, stop your opponent) to its end, winning. One half expects to see Thich Nhat Hanh in his corner holding a copy of “Being Peace.” Naturally, Rousey — along with Diaz and many others — represent the opposite. They are in there to hurt you and they will tell you so every chance they have because your fear is their power. There’s much in between these poles, you can be philosophical and a killer, but these poles are still useful. People easily understand a battle between antitheticals, and it’s why the Diaz/Condit fight is somewhat difficult to get your head around. Whatever their personalities, they’re both assassins and people who dig assassins regret that someone will have to lose. This is all my roundabout way of saying that the “GSP is boring” thing has merit, but that without a good guy like him, fighters like Rousey would not be so refreshing.
by Charlie Custer on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
For someone that has no fans and fights in a division that will probably cease to exist at some point in the near future so far as Zuffa goes, Ronda seems to understand what she needs to do in order to get her name on websites with regularity.
She has like 30 something fans
30 something very vocal fans
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
GSP is prettier than Ronda
So I’d give him the edge.
by discoandherpes on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Am I the only one...
Who can’t get over the ludicrous amount of press Ronda has gotten lately for almost nothing?
Nope
She has what? 4 pro fights? Against who again? And in fucking WMMA too.
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dead on
She’s essentially Chael without the long list of accomplishments. She managed to talk her way into a title fight in a weak division, and anybody who says her looks don’t play into it is smoking the good stuff.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention she has some idiotic hangers on
Whom, when you criticizer her on anything, she calls upon to make sure you know she is a perfect princess.
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Had to unfollow her on Twitter
The fact that she RTs every single compliment she’s ever received is beyond annoying. The “Oh, she’s done so much good for WMMA” line is starting to get a bit old, too.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
You know what though?
She does have us talking. I guess that’s her goal.
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Yeah true
But the key point is that we’re talking about her, not WMMA in general, and I say this as someone who already enjoys female fighters. I’m no more likely to seek out videos of WMMA than I was before Ronda; I’ll watch her fight Tate, but I was going to watch that Strikeforce card anyway. It’s probable that we’re not her real audience, though.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like her
I think it’s refreshing to have a female who isn’t delusional bout WMMA and who knows that there is a business side to this all. She also is very passionate, very good, and pretty good looking.
by discoandherpes on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder...
Does Zack Morris GSP’s sister fight?
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Yep Sort Of
You made some good points but for me I have to use my own definitons of exciting and marketable
I love RR but she is near the line of going beyond being outspoken and just becoming mouthy.
I want to see and hear people that put their money where their mouth is
Diaz is a tough guy but goofy in the real world
I have little interest in him until he grows up
I want to see RR as champ not cause she is cute or mouthy but cause she whipped Tate
Sonnen is pitiful, copyin rasslin talk an just got given a win he didn’t earn just to make a big match, pretty sad
Speakin of marketable, am I the only one that saw the cheescake pics of tate going into her bout with Coenen? Hot stuff an even Marloes commented on them
Now with Carano’s imaginary film career lookin dim I guess we will hear about her comeback all year
Measure them by wins and losses, market each the best to suit them an call it good
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by halitosis on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sonnen= exciting? WTF?
Fuck you, double fingers
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Sonnen was part of the most exciting fight last Saturday… and his fight with Stann was more exciting than Jose Aldo’s title defense at UFC 136… oh, and if you don’t think his fight with Anderson Silva was exciting, you don’t like MMA, period.
Saying “the most exciting fight at Ufc on Fox 2” doesn’t mean a lot.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Sonnen vs Bisping would’ve been the most or second most exciting main card fight of any event in a while. I really enjoyed that fight. Sonnen hasn’t been in a boring fight in quite a while.
No. Just…….. no.
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by TheLastEmpress on Feb 1, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
That pic at the top...
Is amazing! It sums up my outlook on her perfectly!
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by bonesthebaptist on Jan 31, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Now i know why GSP chooses to go bald.
by MaximumWatermelon on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
People forget that GSP was also an exciting fighter when he was facing less than stellar competition… Let’s see how Ronda does in her championship fight. And if she wins that fight, let’s see if she maintains her exciting style after she loses a few fights because she was careless…
Who is a better pure grappler than Rousey in WMMA?
I don’t see her losing a few fights in a long time.
by discoandherpes on Feb 1, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
We’ll see. Then again, it helps that WMMA is where men’s MMA was 20 years ago when Royce Gracie was subbing everyone. Also, if GSP dropped down from his natural weight to 155, you don’t think he’d be finishing everyone? Why isn’t Rousey staying at 145 to try to be exciting against Cyborg? I realize that she’s now suspended, but Rousey never said a single word about fighting Cyborg… I wonder why that might be? Maybe she knew her exciting style wouldn’t work against the best in her division?
If Ronda Rousey can get Cyborg to the mat (big if)
She would destroy her. Cyborg is not a good grappler. That said, I don’t blame someone with four pro fights not wanting to fight Cyborg yet. I also don’t blame someone for wanting to fight at their natural weight.
And I hope I don’t have to repeat this, but fighting Cyborg is a lose/lose situation. If you lose you got your face smashed, and if you win you are now in Cyborg’s unfortunate situation where you have to wait months and months in between fights. If you can’t find Cyborg a fight, what makes you think they could find the girl that beat Cyborg one?
Also, if GSP dropped to lightweight, he would not finish everyone. Lightweight is the one division tougher than welterweight and lets not pretend that GSP would be as big as he is at welterweight if he dropped down.
by discoandherpes on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Cyborg is likely a lot stronger than Ronda, and she’s also a BJJ black-belt… even if she was lacking in technique, she’d more than make up for it with sheer brute force. And if Ronda’s afraid of fighting the best in her division because she only has 4 career fights, maybe she shouldn’t judge one of the best MMA fighters ever? Who is she to talk?
Cyborg is a purple belt in bjj. Rousey is an Olympic level judoka. Two totally different levels of grappling.
Also, Rousey has just enough claim to state her opinion on MMA than someone like me. Probably even more so.
by discoandherpes on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions

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