Jumping on the Post Event Thoughts Bandwagon for FOX 2
I grow happier at the UFC + FOX deal every fight I see. The addition of MMA talkers on more channels means I get more MMA fix, and FOX is making sure I overdose. The amount of commentators...Ken Flo and Jay Glazer, Joe and Mike, that other Fox guy with Randy Couture and Jon Jones, plus Ariel Helwany made for a night full of perspectives, and I love, love, love getting me some additional perspectives.
Ariel Helwany...how good is it to be that guy nowadays? All that hard work grinding out interviews with fighters and their gyms has definitely paid off; the dude is prime time now and he deserves to be. I'm pretty pumped to be getting Ariel's interviews in between fights instead of just watching Spike footage of previous fights. We can count on Ariel to interview the less likely people, the behind the scenes folks, the fighters who've left the octagon and are happy to discuss their performances, all things I'd rather hear about than see highlights of main card fighter's bouts.
I am more than happy to overlook the commercials that accompany prime time free broadcasting versus the exclusive PPV stuff. The PPV fights actually wear the fight hype footage thin, and I get sick of seeing the same pre-fight fighter talk and highlight reels in between bouts. I'd argue that the commercials themselves were uplifting for an MMA fan, if only to see the sort of sponsors that wanted to be on the air with a prime time UFC event. Where Spike seemed to have only a handful of shows and sponsors to hype, FOX and FUEL turned it up a notch. Fox makes me feel like I'm farting in silk boxers, and I like that. The production was top notch, the number of commentators, really everything about being on Fox made me feel like, as a fan, my purchasing power, my demographic, just got an upgrade to first class.
Being able to DVR the preliminaries and main card allows me to watch everything over and over again, rewind the parts of the fights I want to see again, allows me to really feed my armchair analyst needs. Having the prelims on free TV also means getting to watch them on all the big screens at my favorite MMA bar, but more on that later. When the prelims were on Facebook, I had to drag a laptop to the bar so that I could still reserve my spot AND watch the fights, and that experience was less than ideal.
Lavar Johnson may have reaped the benefits of all the damage Joey Beltran has so willingly absorbed with his skull, but there is no denying his power and reach. I'd like to see him matched up with Stephan Struve, or even better, Shane Carwin. Shane is on the decline, and Lavar might just reveal what Shane should be doing with his power.
Congrats and LOLs to Michael Johnson for not pulling a Melvin. I agree with many others: Roller hasn't shown an ability to remain in one of the most competitive divisions at the UFC.
Charles Oliveira looks awesome at 145, and while everyone is talking about that totally sick submission, I thought he also did a great job of using his reach. The featherweight division is going to be so hot...
George Roop also showed how to utilize reach, too bad Cub Swanson showed how you combat that issue. For tall fighters wanting to see some examples of utilizing reach, those two fights are good primers. Oliveira, unafraid to be taken down, stands tall and drops his punches in. Roop stands tall but forgets to tuck his chin and utilize head movement; he didn't have Oliveira's luxury of not fearing the takedown, but he did an admirable job of jabbing and push kicking Swanson to the outside where Roop stood the best chance. Had Roop reacted better against the cage and not looked so visibly frightened when he got there, he could have used his game plan all the way to victory.
Russow v Einemo was just ugly, but kudos to Russow for not being afraid to get the W, even if it meant not wowing his hometown fans. I think Russow is in danger of using his chin up in fights like these, though, and I doubt he has many years left in MMA. If Einemo can deliver clinch knees to Russow, then too many top 25 HWs can, too, and he'll end up wandering the streets of Chicago like Mick Foley, trying to remember where he lives.
Evan Dunham delivered like expected, though Lentz was fairly game; in another weight division, he might keep his job.
I'm still waiting to hear why Demian Maia gassed so early. Weidman clearly deserved the W in that fight, and I'm looking forward to his future bouts. I'm thinking Maia dropped several ranks, and if he can't get reinvented he won't be in the UFC much longer.
Sonnen showed why he won't win his rematch with Silva; if he has improved since that fight, it sure did not show against Bisping. I hate to think that Sonnen needed those PEDs to deliver the high energy attack he utilized against Silva, but I spent the whole fight wondering why Sonnen wasn't exploding like he's shown in previous fights. The guy who landed hundreds of strikes on Anderson Silva seems to have changed strategy, trying to throw hard at the expense of his volume. Yeah, that overhand right landed, but Bisping weathered it too easily, and Silva is way, way too good at counter punching for that shit to work on him.
This is another example of a fighter forgetting the date that brought him to the dance. Sonnen needs to go back to scrambling like mad, being unpredictable via spazzing, throwing punches that block his opponent's view and disrupt their rhythm so he can land more takedowns and stay too busy to control on the ground. It may be that Chael felt he needed a different style for Bisping, who in my opinion, mirrored Sonnen's efforts on the feet a bit too much, and wasn't a threat to Chael in terms of striking power. Chael may have drank enough of his own Kool-Aid to think he had the power to put Bisping away, a strategy I hope he knows won't work in Brazil.
Bisping, on the other hand, showed consistency, doing all the things he is good at and even using some abilities we don't often see from him on the ground. I lost some Bisping hate to respect in that fight, but I doubt I'll ever look forward to cheering him in a fight. He's boring, in spite of being one of the busiest MWs in the division. I only want to see him fight Munoz to see if Munoz can pick up his speed and hone his striking enough to dominate Bisping. Otherwise, I hope Bisping lands a lucrative movie career, because in spite of being able to acknowledge him as a competitive fighter, I'll never think of his fights as exciting unless he's getting KTFO.
Evans was one of the few fighters on Saturday night that truly looked ready for his next fight. Good five round staying power, good negating of the reach, good display of wrestling and octagon awareness. Rashad looked hard to surprise, and I don't see Jones catching him with his trademark flashy spinning kicks and elbows...but I think Jones knows that, too, and the kid just learns too damned fast to not be prepared for Evans. Still, Evans looked so dominant in this fight that I honestly believe Evans v Jones will be competitive, and I see it going the most rounds of a Jones fight yet, possibly a five round decision bout.
Finally, I need to find another bar to watch fights. I love my local spot, but since they've dropped the cover charge, they get a lot of customers there for the food instead of the fights, and they try too hard to cater to everyone instead of focusing on being THE place to watch the fights. It is a tough decision for a bar to make, but they're losing fight fans as a result of sitting on the fence. Keeping the volume down to please families trying to have conversation pisses off fight fans. Keeping TVs tuned to Illini games pleases local fans but pisses off fight fans; segregate the seating if you're going to do this, so fight fans aren't forced to crane their necks to catch the fights. Not knowing what channel the @#$% fights are on is inexcusable, and if it weren't for my DVR, I'd hate you forever for making me miss Johnson v Beltran. It's bad enough I have to strain to hear the commentary and interviews, I shouldn't have to beg you to let me have the remote so I can find the fights for you. I think I'm heading to Buffalo Wild Wings next Saturday.
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"Fox makes me feel like I"m farting in silk boxers"
Not sure why, but this analogy makes sense to me and I completely agree. Also, i’m still waiting to hear some kind of excuse from Maia’s camp regarding his cardio
You're lucky
That you can watch fights in a bar. UFC events go down in the early hours of the morning in the UK and nowhere has it.
Funny that there are some people watching an MMA fight and some people eating over in the corner
I'm very lucky
I have a wide choice in locations to view PPVs and I don’t live in a particularly large city. We have a Hooters and a Buffalo Wild Wings, had a Wings, Etc but it closed, had a Show Me’s that lost its franchise for serving minors but still puts on the fights under another name, and my local sports bar, which I’ve already bemoaned.
When I first starting going out for PPVs (we used to all get together, take turns hosting and chipping in for the costs at home) it was amazing to see how quickly all those places would get crowded. You couldn’t get a seat at Hooters after 6 pm on a fight night, and my local bar was the best choice because fewer people knew about it. Still, you had to be at a table by 6 pm if you wanted to have a decent seat and not stand most of the night.
For the owner of that bar, it may be a chicken vs egg argument, if he started losing fight fans because the fights weren’t as exciting, or if they got tired of the second fiddle treatment and went elsewhere. He’s made the decision to try to satisfy every customer that walks in hoping to maximize his profits, but doing so is alienating the customers that would like to see him focus on the fights only.
I still don’t know what prompted him to drop the cover charge, because he was packing the place, and somehow, post free entry, I’m seeing more casual crowd that wants to watch a hockey game or college hoops. It’s pretty baffling.
The food in there is great, btw, and I can see where that earns him a strong local following, but I can’t understand why he wouldn’t tell a large party that wanted to reserve the tables in front of the biggest TVs that maybe Saturday night was not the best night for them to have their dinner party. There is no way those tables would have sat empty; I saw plenty of fight fans walk out after not finding a seat, probably heading to BWW or Hooters.
I must have I missed something. Did Glazer actually say something interesting?
I think Bisping just has great TDD and great ability to get to his feet. He is simply better at this aspect of fighting than AS. I think we will see more effective striking from AS this time around but I still think he will be easier to hold down than Bisping.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions
I've been watching this aspect as well
I love Ariel, he asks great questions. But I would like to see his presence in the interviews develop to be a bit more…present? Impactful? Weighty? i still feel like he is a bit goofy or uncomfortable at times. But all in all, I have really enjoyed his interviews and he seems to press in a respectful manner, which is a real trick. But yeah, in another 10 years I predict he is the premier MMA interviewer when it will mean a lot to be in that spot.
I was pretty disappointed in Randy. I think he is good in terms of timing (when JBJ wasn’t muttering or interrupting) but I was a little surprised when he flailed in his analysis. I guess I expect more from one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. There were a few times, like when he was discussing the “reach advantage” aspect of the Evans/Davis fight, when he sounded like he was just spitting out buzzwords. But all in all, I think with more training he could actually be excellent. JBJ…no.
Jay Glazer- I like his writing, his enthusiasm, and his thinking, but I think he has a goofy and terrible camera presence. I don’t like him on football as a talking head and I don’t like him in MMA for the same, but I will read his stuff anytime. He just seems like a puffy dork on camera. There’s no gravitas.
Ken Flo looks and sounds good, but is a bit raw. I like Rogan most times, but I think Goldy is horrible. He’s got the announcer guy hypester voice down pat, but it’s backed up by no real opinions or knowledge, which at this point is just embarrassing. He often sounds like a caricature of an MMA fight announcer: National Lampoon calling fights. I heard him randomly calling jet boat racing on ESPN 7 or something one time and it was the same.
One last thought…in Sonnen’s own words, Bisping rocked him hard enough that Sonnen was out for a sec. So clearly there was some power there. All in all, good post. By the way, despite his accent, I think Bisping is analyst material himself. He’s good in front of a camera, a natural talker, and when he’s not mugging for it, he is a sharp, good looking presence. But yeah, I could see him as the next “Bullet-Tooth Tony” in some Guy Ritchie flick, couldn’t you? Rock-N-Rolla 2 anyone?
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Jon Jones needed a prompter, the cue cards he was holding in his hands were clearly not working for him.
I suspect someone was writing what Randy and Jones were saying, which contributed greatly to their awkwardness. Maybe FOX was afraid of them freezing like Joe Rogan did?
I totally agree on Bisping, he could dub video games, he was pretty good in “Beatdown”, and he’d make a great movie villain. I also agree he’d be a good analyst / announcer, and maybe even invite himself to a beatdown ala Frank Trigg.

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