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Dear Damian Maia: Where IS Your Jiu-Jitsu, Playboy?

Of all the fights on the “UFC on Fox” card, none left a bitterer taste in my mouth than the evening’s curtain jerker: Demian Maia vs. Chris Weidman.

Ok, so that bitter taste might have something to do with the fact that I bet $5 on Maia to win in what I felt was a “smart” underdog pick. After all, Maia is a phenom in BJJ, one of my all-time favorite grapplers. He also has more experience than Weidman, to say nothing of Chris taking the fight on two weeks notice. The deck seemed stacked in Maia’s favor.

But honestly, what I really wanted was a Jiu-Jitsu war, a grappling chess match for the ages to match Sakuraba vs. Newton, or even Maia vs. MacDonald (an unheralded classic, peep it if you haven’t). I wanted the kind of dynamic, exciting grappling exchange that would show the network TV universe that “rolling” can be just as fun to watch as “standabang”.

Instead, we got a three-round amateur kickboxing contest in which Weidman came out the winner, Maia came out looking awful, and fans came out asleep.

Hey, don’t take my word for it. From what we’ve been hearing on Twitter for the last 24 hours, this fight sucked the energy out of the United Center like a giant, mirth-collecting Hoover vacuum.

Remember when seeing the words “Demian Maia” on a card meant a surefire highlight-reel submission was in the offing? Remember how he absolutely tore through guys like Ed Herman, Nate Quarry, and Ryan Jensen? Remember that time he once did this to Chael freakin’ Sonnen?

What happened, Demian? You haven’t won by submission in three years now, but more than that you look like you’re not even trying that hard anymore. Against guys you should tie in knots – guys like Mario Miranda, Kendall Grove, Jorge Santiago – you’re tentative.

Now don’t get me wrong, Maia’s stand-up game has grown by leaps and bounds. That’s very much to his credit, except that it seems to have come at the expense of his ground game.

I just don’t see the cost/benefit in trading a world class BJJ game for an alright stand-up one. Put another way, I don’t think a championship is in your future if you can’t outbox a short-notice Chris Weidman.

In fact, the only attempts to bring the fight down were Weidman’s (as far as I recall, I’ve only seen the fight once). This speaks well to how confident he is on the ground, even when he’s gassed. I can’t wait to see what he can do against top comp with a full tank of gas and a full training camp under his belt.

And Maia? I think Maia needs to get back to his roots, pronto. In a funny way, I think the crushing Marquardt KO and the Anderson Silva humiliation changed Demian’s mindset. It showed him that world class BJJ isn’t enough. It forced him to grow and expand his game.

But he needs to remember what brought him to the dance. His wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, everything – it should all be in service of his BJJ game. Otherwise, I fear he’s wasting fans, Dana White’s and his own time.



By Elton Hobson

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Maia is no fool

He knew he couldn’t out wrestle Weidman. He correctly predicted that Weidman would stall on the ground by not posturing for strikes or looking to pass. He bet his boxing would be more technical and that is what he went with.

What do you want? Maia to pull guard? Not gonna happen w/ MMA rules. You want Maia to blast doubles against the wrestler that beat all the other mma wrestlers at wrestling?

Maia could either work his judo trips in the clinch or look to outbox Weidman. He went with option B. Retrospectively a bad choice but he did not have a lot of options.

by RightTriangle on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

yeah he was

he was getting takedowns late in rounds and bear hugging maia’s hips to run down the clock.

If it seems like everyone around you is an asshole, you are probably an asshole.

by judonerd on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No he wasn't

He almost had a d’arce at the end of round two. He never bear hugged Maia’s hips either.

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by halitosis on Jan 30, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

mine eyes

they saw it. He wasn’t relying on a 100% lay and pray tactic, but when he was in Maia’s full closed guard, he hugged the hips and stalled.

If it seems like everyone around you is an asshole, you are probably an asshole.

by judonerd on Jan 30, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats funny

I’m attending one tonight, the black belt program at Gracie Barra in Chicago… I was thinking about working on my X guard and getting quicker with my cross-grip Sumi Gaeshi. But maybe I should be taking lessons from you instead.

Weidman stalled. A little. Admit it. What the fuck was he doing when Maia was looking at the ref and asking for a standup? Giving his hips a friendly hug?

Fact is, its smart, what he did. I do it too. When you are up on points, you run down the clock. When you are tired, you run down the clock. He was beating Maia and found himself in a position where he could whittle down time, but in order to do that, he had to bear hug Maia’s hips to keep them from moving laterally.

Did Weidman control the fight, outstrike Maia and even attempt some subs? Yes. Did he stall when it was smart to stall? Yes.

If it seems like everyone around you is an asshole, you are probably an asshole.

by judonerd on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But that's his point

Hobbie’s saying that all these other skills should be used to support his BJJ game, not replace it. And he’s comparing last night to the Maia of old; the one that saw a very strong wrestler in Chael Sonnen who would lay in guard and throw rabbit punches all day (see the Brian Baker and Dan Miller fights), and chose to use his judo game to bring the fight to the ground and work for a submission.

Also, I can’t remember off the top of my head any time that pulling guard has worked out badly for Maia.

by Shaun32887 on Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Maia showed excellent guardwork on the night

immediately stood up into the rear clinch multiple times

but he’d separate and strike instead of using it to his advantage

by Cunny on Jan 30, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said in the other fanpost about this

The idea that there’s something wrong with Maia’s BJJ lately is fucking ridiculous.

Against guys you should tie in knots – guys like Mario Miranda, Kendall Grove, Jorge Santiago – you’re tentative.
He did tie them in knots. Did you not see the fights? He dominated them. He passed on them and put them on the defensive when he had them down. That’s how you win a LOT of matches in submission grappling – you score points. It’s really, really fucking hard to submit a savvy grappler when he’s playing defense the whole time.

As for the Weidman fight – what the hell did you want him to do? Realistically, the only way Maia could get Weidman on his back was if he slipped or got knocked down. And playing guard in MMA is a losing game. Playing guard against a grappler as skilled as Weidman is straight-up bad strategy, especially when you’re not doing terrible on your feet. Why do you think BJ Penn always opted for the stand-up when he got put on his back? No one ever gave him shit for that, and for good reason.

And don’t give me that bullshit about “oh he threw Chael Sonnen.” That’s a low-percentage throw in MMA. You have him fight Chael five more times and I bet you he doesn’t hit it again.

by crazybones on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well my friend, you make it hard to argue when

You bring up the logical counter-argument to your point and then say “don’t give me that BS”. Well why not? He once threw the most dominant wrestler at MW like a ragdoll, and tapped him out shortly thereafter. You can’t really ignore that no matter how much you think it’s “low percentage” in MMA. Heelhooks are “low percentage” yet we all expect Paul Harris to hit one every time he fight.

And yeah, I saw those fights, and I completely agree – he dominated position, passed guard well, and stayed out of danger. It was extremely one-sided in terms of grappling, no argument here. So by those criteria, GSP vs. Hardy was a BJJ masterpeice. And yet, it wasn’t, those fights weren’t either, and we both know why.

You cannot (at least to me) argue that the Maia in those fights is the same Maia, with the same killer instinct and sole-minded BJJ focus, as we saw pre-Marquardt KO. It just isn’t. When you’re rep is one of the top 5 BJJ players on planet earth (which I believe Maia to be), you shouldn’t be stalemated by Mario Miranda.

Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack. - Sun Tzu

by hobbie on Jan 30, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Palhares gets heel hooks every fight. That’s not a low percentage move for him. As far as I can remember, Maia’s hit that throw once.

What does GSP vs. Hardy being a BJJ masterpiece have anything to do with this? Maia won his fights against those three opponents like he’s won many grappling matches – through points.

Miranda can absolutely stalemate a top 5 BJJ player. When a black belt plays defense, with no thought of attacking, he doesn’t give up openings. It’s like a boxer who just shells up the whole time and tries to survive. Do you know why he finished Jason MacDonald (the only black belt he’s finished in MMA)? MacDonald tried to attack. He didn’t just shell up when Maia had him in a bad spot; he tried to get something going. And Maia STILL had a hell of a time finishing him.

by crazybones on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s worth pointing out that Maia pulled guard before hitting that throw in the Sonnen fight. In a few minutes of fighting, Maia got Sonnen to the mat twice because he worked for the takedown relentlessly and got it. He didn’t seem to have that urgency in the Weidman fight.

by Shaun32887 on Jan 30, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

While those fights weren't a bjj masterpiece

They had some very good BJJ. Miranda and Santiago are legit black belts who fought defensively (Santiago chose to stall in open guard rather than try and stand???) Your post has a funny name but doesn’t make much sense.

by RightTriangle on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we overthinking this?

In Maia’s condition (a head cold at the very least), isn’t is sensible for him to be wary of having what little cardio he had coming into the fight slowly sucked out of him by grappling with an excellent wrestler? The strategy he tried probably seemed like his best shot of keeping the fight close enough to win.

I wonder how undervalued this will make Maia if they match him up with Bisping next.

by burien top team on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

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