My Muay Thai Training Diary: Year One
Welcome back to my online diary documenting my very amateur experience training in Muay Thai. If you missed the first entry on Bloody Elbow, read it here.
One year ago, I started down an exciting path of personal growth - I began training in Muay Thai. Now, with year one down, I thought it was a good chance to step back, share some of my experiences, and look forward to the coming year.
First up, and I can not stress this enough, if you have ever considered exploring any martial arts training, do it. Training helps me feel considerably better, both physically and mentally, and it has added so much to my appreciation of MMA and kickboxing. There is just something about trying these techniques out yourself that really helps you see the details in every fight. Really, dive in and give it a shot.
As for that extra appreciation for MMA, the Muay Thai training has definitely opened my eyes to a lot of MMA striking. It's helped me to see the good as well as the bad. And there are plenty of examples of both. But one thing that sticks out is the way MMA striking has not always kept up with the advances in other disciplines. Think of wrestling, where fighters like Georges St. Pierre have demonstrated how to take the best wrestling has to offer, adapt that for MMA, and use it to such great successes. You don't see as much of that with Muay Thai, and that's a shame. I'd like to see more fighters utilizing Muay Thai elbows and knees, or really committing to leg kicks.
Now, the counter argument here is obvious - in Muay Thai, fighters don't have to worry about being taken down (well, being taken down and having the fight continue - contrary to some beliefs, takedowns are a part of Muay Thai, it's just that the fight does not continue on the mat). And that is true. But you could also say that in wrestling, a wrestler doesn't have to worry about being punched, or in grappling matches, there's no fear of the ground and pound. Both of those disciplines have been adapted to MMA, with changes made to protect against this new element. Muay Thai and other striking arts are making progress in this area, but are not there just yet, though Lyoto Machida showed that a specific striking style can have great success in MMA. We'll see what the future holds for Muay Thai and other specific striking arts in our sport.
Enough pontificating. I'll wrap it up with a few personal goals for year two and my continuing work in Muay Thai:
- Improve my cardio. This speaks for itself.
- Get consistency on my kicks. I can land a solid kick that is vastly improved from where I was a few months ago, but after about 10 in a row, they start to get weaker. Need to build those up. Also need to improve the left leg overall.
- Keep the jab stiff. I use it as a pawing punch too often - need to send it out with power and take advantage of my height and reach.
- Get new gear. Specifically headgear, new gloves and wraps, Muay Thai shorts, and a better mouthpiece and bag. Any suggestions on those? And if any companies out there have equipment they are itching to get reviewed, get in touch.
Thanks for reading, and happy new year to all.
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Get some ringside IMF-tech 16oz gloves. I’ve had mine for two years, they are all I use for sparring, in pretty good shape after two years of ware, and they are very comfortable
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Awesome!
Good luck and I will def be following. I’m set to leave for Thailand in two days for roughly three months to begin Muay Thai training myself. I have some boxing experience, and a very limit amount of kickboxing, but do to health issues, money, and timing have never been able to but a lot of time and dedication into it until now. I’ll never be a pro fighter, at 29 years old and three back surgeries under my belt that ship sailed a while ago. I’ve always loved the sport, and wanted to involve myself more than being just a spectator. Please keep us informed on your thoughts and progress!
That is awesome – I am jealous of anyone who gets a chance to train in Thailand. Have a great time, and I hope you will share a few thoughts yourself when you return.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Very good read!
I actually can’t thank you enough because im just thinking about starting to train in some aspect of mma and I was thinking Muay Thai as well!
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by Austin Wilson on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Don't
Listen to these silly nuggets, if you want good quality gear, for gloves/shorts/shinguards get either boons, rajas or King(not top king)
Handwraps really don’t matter, any old cheap brand will work, mouth guard depends on what you’re looking for and for headgear, can’t go wrong with reevo.
by juanchoD on Jan 3, 2012 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not Fairtex? They are so often held up as the gold standard.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Fairtex are the best I have tried
I was in Thailand earlier this year and got to try out a few, and Fairtex were my favourite. Boon and Raja were good for wraps and shorts as well, but for gloves and shinguards you have to go Fairtex!
For your mouth guard, get one professionally fitted. There are a few companies that do it online (i.e. they post you a mould to bite into) and it saves you hundreds. I got one and it is great.
Right leg swelling, Left leg minor bruising
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 4, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I've tried them out as well.
I mean, all my Muay Thai instructors have told me to use Boons and Raja, and King. I tried a variety of different gloves, and I seriously agree with them.
What ever happen to the guy that was giving us a week by week update on his GSP workout video?
Was there any updates or results?
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by Gomz on Jan 3, 2012 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That was Snowden
First he went to MMANation then he left SBNation
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My question
What happened to Roth’s weight loss plan?
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The first thing that came to mind when I read this

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by TheFilt on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good luck. I train a bit in Muay Thai myself and the benefits are endless.
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So you too can levitate….
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I’ve got that Chris Angel magic kit
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I thought you had to have a precription for that?
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Criss Angel's a phony
I have doubts whether or not he can really even walk on water.
in all seriousness, Muay Thai has allowed me to read minds and plant thoughts. That’s right. Inception.
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I incepted the thought "try to punch me in the mouth while I try and punch you in the mouth" to a sparring partner.
It worked!
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Nice article.
I have to agree that training martial arts is incredible for just about all aspects of your life.
In my opinion it’s practically impossible to watch the sport critically without having trained at least one discipline and even then it only gives you a real understanding of part of the game.
Joe Rogan, for example, is clearly a BJJ expert, knows a lot about the stand up game, but isn’t too well versed in his wrestling or Judo. He and Eddie Bravo were talking about it on the podcast (Ronda Rousey episode) and it was fascinating to hear them talk about his shortcomings as a MMA analyst, considering Joe Rogan just might have watched more MMA fights from the cage side than any other human on the planet.
If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box
Rogan also doesn't know much about boxing.
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by pdl on Jan 4, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
He talks about boxing a lot on his podcast
by discoandherpes on Jan 4, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting.
Odd thing to say, but today I’ve been quite usefully educated by coming to this blog, between reading TheHistorian’s fanposts, and reading this piece.
Thanks to all involved.
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good read keep it up!!
For gloves get some Fairtex or Windy stuff. Stay away from Everlast gear. Handwraps should be semi elastic 180in long Mexican style. I have had every type of boxing glove from 20oz Everlast to 12oz Ringside to Title Boxing Bag gloves to 16oz Thai style gloves. 16oz is generally what I tell people to get since it offers good weight for a work out but not to much and solid protection when sparring. Don’t forget ‘glove dogs’ to keep your stuff smelly and bacteria free.
If you can try on the shin pads before purchase do it I made that mistake with a really nice pair of pads a few years ago, I only say that because a few years ago no stores sold them locally. I also find if you do not take good care of the style that completely cover the calf they can attract mold quickly. The other style with two straps also offers a much more secure fit IMO.
I always tell people to get the headgear that offers the most protection; ones that cover the chin and offer sufficient padding. Again best to try on in a store.
Cup go with a steel cup with strings to tie down.
I also train Muay Thai and have been for the past 5-6 years. Been training a few friends for a few months now… things are going well with their progress. I would say the most important things are to always have fun with it, keep it positive, and stay fresh so you are always evolving and getting better.
these are a few of my favorite things in no order: BHO, WANDY, burritos, chili, HMK glass, USMTA, NYHC, Motorhead, turtles, frogs, rewatching Chael tap to Anderson, and Big Nog KOing Schaub.
by the jewish conquistador on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions
This is great info. Thanks!
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of what was posted above
But there are a few things I recommend differently.
Firstly, you don’t need to go the fairtex or windy route. It’s nice, my first and second pair of glove for mt were fairtex and windy respectively, but my favorite pair has hands down been the title platinum glove which used to retail for about $200 usd but dropped to about $80 once the title black gloves dropped. Saying they are nice is an understatement.
I prefer the style of shin pad that covers the whole leg. You can normally find one going for <$20 and though they may get rank after awhile, I find it’s still cheaper to get 2 pairs of those than 1 with the straps. Also, once the straps stretch after use, they slip and you will have to tape them on. Also, you don’t need greater than .5" of foam. Any more than that and you are babying your shins way too much for you to condition them for impact.
Metal cup is the only way. Secure and far cheaper than your other options.
A custom mouthpiece is worth investing in, not a do it yourself kit, one that you get molded at the dentist. When you have boil and bite, they tend to obstruct your breathing, making you have to open your mouth to breath. The change in posture alone can lead to some back accidents. I preach this to fighters all the time and the ones that make the plunge and get a custom guard are always happy they did.
Hand wraps should be 180 as posted above. Speed wraps are good in theory, but once you break them in they roll around and you can hurt your knuckle because of it (I fractured mine on a heavy bag about a month back). Always wear hand wraps with your gloves, they help them last longer and invest in some glove dogs (or make some).
Now of all the sites I’ve bought from (budovideo, mma warehouse, title boxing/mma, fairtex, ect) the best site I’ve found is http://boxingdiscount.com/ cheap shipping, competitive prices and if you look at the address, I’m willing to bet they are owned by title. Title mma sometimes has lower prices.
Good luck! Muay Thai is a huge part of my life. While I’ve note yet been to Thailand, I’m lucky enough to have 4 Thai Krus (two of them don’t even speak English). I love it and it’s great to see its enriching your life!
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by JaeeJaee on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No problem keep training and writing.
How do you wrap your hands? I only ask because I know five different people who all wrap their hands different ways, not saying one way is better than the another other just curious.
these are a few of my favorite things in no order: BHO, WANDY, burritos, chili, HMK glass, USMTA, NYHC, Motorhead, turtles, frogs, rewatching Chael tap to Anderson, and Big Nog KOing Schaub.
by the jewish conquistador on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wrap them honestly the only way I know how – start with 2 loops over the thumb, up and around the knuckles a few times, down to the wrist, one loop between my pinkie and ring finger, then a few more around the knuckles and back down to the wrist to end it. Figured it out from guys at my gym plus watching a Thai wrapping video online last year when I started.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 5, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think the greatest aspect of Muay Thai
Is the ability to lose weight and develop huge legs. 6 plus years of Muay Thai training gave me elephant legs which aid me greatly in many other sports.
Congrats on taking up this sport Mr Coffeen. However when you transit to MMA training, you will really hate wrestlers who will try to take you down on every single kick you throw. My advice is to throw ubereem knees since MT practitioners have worse TD defense than Sanda players.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Muay Thai is great
I started training about a year ago and it’s just been awesome. Congratulations on sticking with it!
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Great Read.
I started training Muay Thai myself almot two years ago because a friend dragged me to practice. Now I can’t get enough of the stuff.
If you post a future piece about your Muay Thai Training, can you take a little time to talk about improvements to your game ?
You had trouble landing or protecting againt punches to the head ? Did that improve ?
I definitely will keep that sort of thing in mind more in the future – just wanted to take a slightly different approach this time since I was feeling reflective after 1 year.
Doing much better on the head protection – thanks! After getting tagged a few times, I just made it a real priority for myself, and committed to 3 things: 1. Chin always tucked. 2. Hands always up. 3. On any punch I throw, the hand that is not throwing moves up to block my ear. That last one was the toughest to really drill, but it’s now totally second nature and I do it without thinking about it.
Those all seem like super obvious things, but they get ignored often, and if that happens it can lead to disaster.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Would
A gym take a 38 year old and let him come and work with people? I want to hurt, and get hurt, really badly. I have so much aggression that I need to work out, and I seriously need an outlet. Any leads on a Muay Thai gym in Chicagoland? Muay Thai is a beautiful and brutal martial art, and I have wanted to learn it since I first fought Sagat on Street Fighter II, but growing up in the sticks there was no where to go. My son would love to learn, as well, and frankly would be a monster. (Yeah, I know, ALL our sons are monsters). But I don’t wanna get ripped off. My email is linked to my profile, so any advice would make my hick ass happy! Have A Nice Day!
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by Mr. Socko on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Don’t let age deter you at all. I’m 33, and I am not the youngest person in my gym. As long as you are in shape, you can do it.
I happen to train in Chicago myself – I’m at Conviction Martial Arts training under Andre Madiz. It’s a great place that gets a thumbs up from me, and Andre is an excellent coach. Come on by.
My only suggestion for you, and don’t take this the wrong way, is to think about your goals. Don’t come in with the mentality that it is a good place to hurt people, because, well, you’ll end up hurting someone. And that’s not the goal. Our coach is big on the idea of letting your baggage go before training begins, so that you have a clear, focused mind, and are there for the right reasons. That said, does it relieve tension? Absolutely. It is a great outlet, just so long as you remember that everyone there is your partner, and no one is there to get hurt.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
I meant hurt as in punch on things, bags and stuff. I totally understand what you are saying, for sure. Living in Chicago, you can understand pent up aggression, I’m sure. I need an outlet, the bags, the training, but I need my butt whooped to keep me humbled, because I can get an ego going. (I actually live in Naperville, but have to go to the city a lot.) But thank you for the insightful words and recommendations. When I say butt whooped, I mean physically drained and exhausted. Gosh I need new terms hahahaaa! But I’m fixing to search Conviction and give you all a look. I’ll be the guy in the Mick Foley shirt, all 160 pounds of me…hope to see you there!
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by Mr. Socko on Jan 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would indeed love to see you there. Let me know if you plan on coming! And sorry – I feel like my comments above may have been too dickish. My sincere apologies. Training is a great experience, and I totally get what you mean about feeling good and exhausted. You’re right about that – you ache afterwards, but it’s a great ache!
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 5, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't even say you have to be in shape
All you need is determination and a positive attitude. Mr. Socko: start researching gyms and their instructors, go and watch a class, pick the one that best suits your needs and go sign up.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks to you as well
All the advice you too gave me is sound, and will be adhered to. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Pretty cool community, it seems…
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by Mr. Socko on Jan 4, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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He should have just used slight head movement.
Efficiency of movement!
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Twins?
I always just used Twins stuff… Or rather I bought a variety of gear and the only shit not falling apart after a few years was Twins stuff.
I don’t train MT anymore, I moved to BJJ when I moved city and I much prefer it. However I did fucking love MT and my one big advantage was my jab, which you mentioned you wanted to improve. I used to paw a lot with my jab too, when my opponent punched I was long and rangy enough to be able to pat it down and counterstrike his face. However the big change in my jab came when I broke a rib doing some heavy sparring. To protect that side while it healed I trained southpaw, and so had my strong arm leading. The jab totally changed, now when I jabbed not only was the arm stronger but I found myself throwing it with the body really torqued behind it. I fought southpaw for around a year after that injury, but from then on even when fighting orthodox the feeling of what my jab could be, made me put a lot more power into it.
From that rib injury my jab went from a range-finding paw/counter punching pat, to a very stiff jab that could stop someones momentum or snap their head back a little.
So give it a shot! Break a rib! (or just try changing stance for a few months).
I’ve played around with south paw a bit, but this is great advice (well, the stance part – not the broken rib part!). Will give it a shot.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
In your case it was out of neccessity, but the problem with changing stances is many newer fighters do it before they have mastered use of their lead leg and then they have no lead leg offense, as they start to switch stances rather than focus on developing their lead leg kicks. This also allows both of their legs to get banged up in a fight.
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by JaeeJaee on Jan 4, 2012 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ALWAYS get the best equipment possible.
I’m a student and not exactly full of cash, but I did learn the hard way, that you have to do this. I had to switch all my equipment for a better one after one year of training.
Now I have:
Twins gloves – They weren’t cheap, but I cant say enough nice things about them. After almost 1 year of training, they still feel as they were new. Most people I know recommend Top King, but I believe these are better. There isn’t a better headgear I know of, these are legit and they protect your face and head as much as possible+ they don’t turn or move on your head.
-Top King empower headgear
As far as handwraps go I just use basic mexican wraps 5 meters long i think.
-Shinguards are also important, mine are Twins and are instep, so I can use them in my MMA training as well.
It’s an investment at the beginng, but if you’re going to train seriously yo’ll eventually need good gear. Plus this stuff is much cheaper in the US, tahn it is here in Europe…
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by Scott Whitaker on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Sandee
Make decent kit, and it isn’t quite so outrageously expensive like Fairtex has become. Stay away from Lonsdale/Everlast gear, unless you want to spent a ridonculous amount of cash simply to have gloves that don’t disintergrate after 2 weeks. (Or one day in a friend’s case.)
If you know a guy with a Kwon trade a/c, their gloves are actually pretty good, and work out real cheap. Great for pads. I have seen the two cheaper leather gloves in action and they were very good.
Don’t skimp on handwrap length. I have always preferred to wear some vale tudo shorts over the top of a box – really helps keep things from shifting.
Should have specified
Sandee do real good headguards, both with the chin & without. If you wear contact lenses, you might want to invest in one that includes a bar across the nose however. The lining on the sandee guards is really nice.
Opro do a great gumshield, some guys swear by shockdoctor. If you’re tempted to try the double mouthpieces, get a regular style one as well, I found they liked to pop out of my mouth whenever I got punched.
I've had my Sandee gloves two years
No nonsense, hard wearing gloves that give good support.
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Good read Fraser
With interesting timing. I got back to training just last night for the first time in about 6 years. I have chronic back problems and arthritis in both hips so I was leery.
Gassed out during the warm up period of jumping rope and pushups/sit ups. Sweated out more toxins than Chernobyl. Got boxed up by a girl half my size. Hurts to type this morning. Good times.
I trained once at the Wat in NYC, the old facility.
I’m not a completely out of shape bum but I’m an out of shape regular worker bee. The half-hour introduction class made me sweat liquor and all the aforementioned toxins.
My body was in pain but it was fun. I plan on going back when I have more time and my deposable income increases. But I’m still thinking about training in boxing or judo. In the mean time, there’s always YouTube videos and the fine art of shadow boxing.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
If you want a good mouth guard, you really need to see if your dentist can take an impression and order you one. If I remember correctly, it cost around $100 range for mine, but it was easily the best money I spent on any of my equipment.
I find those things
…tear up my gums and make them blood. It has been a good 12 years since I had a gumshield from the dentist, however.

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