UFC's Efforts to Develop Chinese MMA Is a Good Start, But It Won't Be Enough
It's no secret that the UFC wants to tap into that large market in China. The most important thing to accomplish that goal though, is to spread awareness, and in that regard, the UFC has done great things in a short amount of time. They've set up an office in China, and with the leadership of Mark Fischer, they have secured multiple deals to broadcast their product on networks and on various online portals, reaching up to 700 million people in the country.
According to this piece by Kevin Iole, UFC matchmaker Sean Shelby recently spent two weeks in China to scout talent and to make inroads on that goal of eventually finding MMA's equivalent to Yao Ming. His assessment is very similar to how the insiders in the Asian MMA scene see it - great potential with a culture rich in combat sports, but they're not quite there yet with the finer points of the ground game:
"When you see someone like Yao Ming have success on an international level, the whole country stops and watches when he plays. The idea when we went over and assessed the market … we realized there were a lot of great athletes there, but they weren’t up to speed on the different styles of fighting."
Shelby reported that the Chinese fighters were quality strikers, but were lacking in wrestling and jiu-jitsu skills. There were many men whom Shelby watched work out who were athletic enough to be successful fighters in the UFC, but they were primitive in their knowledge of MMA and their training methods.
In an effort to develop this talent, the UFC has brought several top Chinese fighters to train in Vegas. The cast includes Zhang Tie Quan, and a couple of his China Top Team training partners, including top Chinese bantamweight prospect, and current Legend FC champ, Yao Honggang.
They will be training on several of the top gyms in the area, and on the next couple of weeks, they will be working with top coaches such as Fredson Paixao, Robert Drysdale, Ricky Lundell, Jimmy Gifford, Mark DellaGrotte, and others:
The plan, according to UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta, is to properly train the Chinese fighters so they can train others in an attempt to tap into the country’s love of martial arts.
... "Vegas is kind of the Mecca of mixed martial arts in a lot of ways," Fertitta said. "We just said, ‘Hey, let’s get them exposure with, literally, the best trainers in the world.’ … They literally will go from gym to gym every day to train and learn different aspects of MMA."
"Really, what this is is an effort to find our version of Yao Ming," Fertitta said. "There’s more than a billion people in China and I guarantee you, somebody there can fight. Our goal is to find that guy.
They're making excellent moves on getting casual fans access to their product, and as for trying to develop the talent in the region, this is definitely a good start, especially for China Top Team. That being said, this is just a start, and sending a handful of guys for a few days in Vegas definitely won't be enough for the long haul.
China Top Team isn't the only good fight team in the area, and some insiders don't even consider it the best in the country. If the UFC is serious about trying to develop talent, which it seems like they are, they should be doing something similar to what Legend FC has done with Xian Physical Education University, but on a much bigger scale.
Legend FC, one of the top Asian MMA promotions sent several members of Team Quest such as Pat Healy and Brad Hannah to one of the biggest camps in the region. They didn't only have them experience a few days of working out with talented coaches, they actually conducted an entire training camp that lasted for several weeks. Team Quest taught several of the best fighters in the country about how an entire high-level training camp should work, so they could get the best practices, workouts, and schedules in order to maximize learning, and peaking on the proper time for a fight.
As a great house for wrestlers, the Team Quest members also taught these Chinese fighters something that most of them should really learn about, the finer points of dieting and cutting water weight. This is a very important move as BJJ and Wrestling aren't the only components lacking from Chinese MMA. There have been too much Chinese and other Asian fighters not knowledgeable about the proper way of cutting weight, with some even walking in several pounds under the contracted limit. This learning is already showing their effects as as several members of the camp have already began dropping down a weight class or two.
Healy and other Team Quest coaches will be flying out again on 2012, but this time they'll be spending much longer time in the country. These kinds of trips will be invaluable to Chinese MMA, as they'll be running not just a few workouts, but entire camps in the same format of those elite teams in the US.
The UFC looks dead serious about trying to develop MMA in China, and while they're already starting out well, they should really do something similar to this, but on a much larger scale. Send several top coaches, teach these guys about the ground game, teach them how to cut weight and how an elite fight team works, and soon enough, they'll use these best practices to run all their fight camps. Not only do you find 'a' Yao Ming, but you will grow a hot bed of all those world class strikers with a developing ground game, and you'll eventually churn out a new generation of MMA stars for years to come.
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Very interesting
This is very smart from the UFC. Hopefully we at least get to see some more chinese fighters develop and fight in the UFC or Strikeforce. The latter could be used as what it is looked as by many people, a development league. Yes, Showtime might have something to say about it but it could be pretty much perfect to developed the elite talent that China has to offer.
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Phys ed University? That is awesome.
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Yeah, they house several scary scary strikers.
Sanda/SanShou fighters, etc.
Cung Le found success in MMA, and he isn’t considered as one of the elite SanShou fighters in the world… Just imagine if the best Chinese fighters learn wrestling, and BJJ.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
meh...
Cung Le also wrestled…
SanShou fighters will do well if SanShou is a good martial art in the MMA world… and, like you said they will have to mix it with a grappling art.
If they don’t want to grapple, they’ll turn into every other dutch fighter not named Alistair.
Uh..
SanShou does have wrestling and clinch takedowns… It doesn’t have BJJ, so those who fear going to the ground are sticking to the striking part, and is really wasting a huge part of their san shou / sanda base.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think the first chinese fighters to find some kind of success
will probably be sprawl n brawl type of fighters
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
Great piece Anton
Let’s get Guan Wang and Tuerxun Jumabieke over to AKA and produce the MMA Yao Ming.
What do you think are the top non-Japanese gyms in Asia?
Evolve, Team Lakay, and Korean Top Team
IMO. But there are several good ones too, Pukhet Top Team, Tiger Muay Thai, etc etc.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
How about Mongolia?
Jadamba Narantungalag’s team?
Jadamba is excellent,
and there are a handful of decent prospects on his camp, but there aren’t as much guys on his level, or guys who have had similar success as him there.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Loved this piece.
A good downer mixed in with some sugar at the end.
Also, glad to see someone writing about the status of Chinese MMA.
I’d also love if one of these days someone writes about the status of East European MMA.
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The bit about "strikers but lacking ground game" squares with something I've seen elsewhere
An anecdote about both a cultural myopia about the ground game and… well, the (government) money mainly being in sanda.
Great story. China has more 18-49 year old males, then the entire population of the United States, and will become the worlds second largest economy sometime this year, it makes sense for UFC to focus on this market. One star and it could be a game changer for UFC financially, and on Dana’s goal for becoming the most popular sport in the world.
They really don’t even need an Anderson Silva at this point, if UFC could find a MIchael Bisping who could carry, or co-headline shows I’m sure it would be very happy.
I think it is definitely a huge market (literally), and there is a long tradition of martial arts in China. I love to see MMA grow and see fighters of different nationalities in the sport and competing at a high level.
That said, how do you help develop MMA in other countries when most high level fighters train stateside?
This would probably help...
The part about Tristar Gym anyway.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/15/2563171/asia-mma-tristar-china-bj-penn-philippines
quality stuff man.
i’m curious to see if a tuf gym opens in China anytime soon.
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the UFC will send camps over to China the moment they can sign entire camps to contracts.
I would say currently CTT is the best camp in China,at least in MMA
It’s not a fancy gym but they got several beasts there and their training style are tough as nails.
For some more information recently a BJJ blackbelt named Luciano Queiroz opened up a gym in Beijing, and for this dude Liu Wenbo yelled on his status:Finally got a heavyweight BJJ training partner can dominate with me!
Liu is not with CTT right now.
Aside from Tiequan Zhang, Yao Honggang(who has the same surname as Yao Ming) is considered to be the first Chinese fighter to win a major title as LFC BW champ.He got excellent Chinese style wrestling(maybe the best wrestler among Chinese MMA fighters) and this alone can make him competitive versus western fighters, and if UFC really want some Chinese force they should give Yao a shot,‘cause he’s not very young.
Off the topic, packing my package for tomorrow’s flight to New York right now, first time to U.S., wish me luck guys! : )
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by Mr.Zhang on Jan 3, 2012 6:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, Yao is great.
they should take a chance on him.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
According to something I hear UFC are tough on hiring Li Jingliang.
Li is a physical beast, but UFC might think there are too many beasts in USA and we don’t need a Chinese one ‘cause the wicked strength he uses to dominate fellow Chinese won’t be enough compared to western fighters.
But many has told me Li is a absolutly beast, some even consider him to be the most scary fighter in CTT, more than Tiequan.
And he’s still young.
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Have fun and be safe in NY
btw it’s not like the rest of the country New York city is much much different so take it as that.
Also thanks for all the China MMA insight
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Wrestling and Judo
It seems like the natural place to start would be the Chinese athletes who have trained their entire lives for the Olympics in judo and wrestling. If the history of MMA has taught us anything, it’s that it doesn’t take nearly as long to get world class grapplers up to speed on striking as it takes world class strikers to get up to speed on grappling.
I think your on to something here
I’m going to pass out and when I wake up I’m going to write a fanpost about this.
by discoandherpes on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are both Olympic sports though
and China is hungry for every medal they can get so they may be too comfortable to risk the minimal paydays in that part of the world now
It takes a long road
Nowadays in China most MMA trainees are non-atheletes like us.
Olympic guys are just, let’s say, untouchable.
They get everything they need straight from the government from the day they step into a athletic school as a child, until their retirement.
They gather together by the government and just train all day everyday.
Only thing they need to worry about is to perform well at the Olympics every four years, or the national competition. Their life can’t get anymore simple.
They won’t even heard of MMA or BJJ, let alone train. And if they do the government won’t let these unprofitable things distract them, gold medal is everything in the view of Chinese administration, they don’t give a shit about popular sport like baseball just because it’s not in the Olympics, but they can hire the best coach in the world for women hockey(without ice kind), a sport rarely exist in China.
But all the above said, some Chinese Judo and wrestling players are just scary good. We have all the power in the country to raise them, and they don’t dissapoint. They just need an entrance.
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by Mr.Zhang on Jan 3, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't that also what's kept a lot of sanda fighters out of MMA?
Namely that the money IS better (for now) over there, especially when it’s government-backed.
Sanda doesn't get much love from the government these days
They still kept training and fighting, but national TV deals had been called off and the golden generation of Sanda fighters(such as Liu Hailong, the Chinese kicking machine) retired one after one, Sanda is just a shell of what it was ten years ago.
I and many think it’s high time for those high level stand-up guys to transform into MMA but we haven’t seen much yet.
Zhang Tiequan was a Sanda fighter, matter of fact, a not-so-well one, and he’s fighting in the UFC.
But the money in Sanda is better than MMA, even as shrinked, only because MMA guys in China is seriously underpayed and lack of promotion. It’s like a legion of Nick Diaz.
From China with love.
And rice. A lot of.
thanks for the insight.
That Nick Diaz comment was funny. haha :)
and yeah, it really seems like MMA has a chance to take over now that Sanda isn’t as big as it used to be before. I’m still hoping that as MMA becomes more popular, more and more of the top-level Sanda guys would make the jump to MMA.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Great article Anton
I’m actually really surprised Zuffa is taking such proactive steps with Chinese fighters, but good for them
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If the mma scene in china is still perceived like Jordan Breen says. Yes its fairly popular but all they do is bring in horrible foreign fighters to lose to traditional Chinese martial artists and thats the only way its appealing to the Chinese audience. If that is still the case hen I never see MMA taking off ?
Even Robert Sothmann a canadian fighter who trains at China Top Team & fought for Art of War and other orgs in china and trains in china said that 50% of Chinese events are full of works.The people have been spoon fed in such a way that they can’t take the sight of a foreigner smashing the face of one of their guys.The whole scene is really an ‘us vs them’ scene that promoters believe that the people that are watching, the fans, the crowd, are more interested in [foreigners] as flags rather than as individuals.
The fights are mismatches but it's not that bad
Rober Sothmann thought he got robbed in a match that HIS retarted corner threw in the towel. The man is a sore loser so take his words with a grain of salt.
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MMA in China!
MMA in China could have be a very long time until there are backing from the gov’t/peoples. Right now, BJJ is just being introduced to just the major cities in China, like all great MMA schools, there needs to be a foundation, to each their own on whats the best foundation.
The biggest MMA schools are essentially Beijing, Hong Kong and Shanghai. But is there a market for it? Can it become popular so that everyone is able to train and give the TRAINERS some wiggle room to make a comfortable living? I talked to a few trainers in Beijing and Hong Kong and their sentiments are the same, not enough students and Chinese people are cheap when it comes to training. Their only understanding and beliefs about MMA (and the competition arts within it) are only limited to the Internet. Even then most already has a preconceived notion on how useless it is in a ‘real fight’ situation.
Allot has to change within the mindset of the Chinese people. Its a double edge sword, sure ‘if you build it and they will come’ strategy might work, but i highly doubt it, esp in China. The market is very small at best. Once there is more exposure, then things can be great for everyone (even me!).
Who am i? I am trying to build a bjj school in Chengdu. I believe i am the highest belt in Sichuan (Brown Belt). But given the pollution and peoples mind set, its hard to garner new customers and for me to fully engage this while my other job pays well. The market is HUGE, but tapping into it is different… Within 5 years, it will be a different story!!! :)
Good luck!
on the school you’re planning to put up. Keep us updated. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 AM EST up reply actions

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