UFC On Fox 2 Results: Chael Sonnen Pays Homage To 'Superstar' Billy Graham
by Matthew Roth on Jan 29, 2012 2:02 AM EST
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PrintFollowing his unanimous decision victory over Michael Bisping at UFC on Fox in Chicago, Chael Sonnen took the opportunity to cut another promo. For those that grew up as professional wrestling fans, the promo seemed like something they had heard before. Those instincts were correct as Sonnen was playing homage to 'Superstar' Billy Graham.
Joe Rogan, tonight is not for questions for me, this is your night brother. I want to know how you feel being only inches away from greatness. I want you to tell everybody how it feels. Are you not mesmerized? Do you not have chills going up your spine for the first time on Fox for you to be here in Chael's octagon on Chael's channel holding Chael's microphone interviewing Chael.
While you're thinking about that, remember this: when you're the greatest fighter in the world today they've got a name for you. They don't call you a great fighter they call you Chael Sonnen! Beat me if you can.
Billy Graham's promo after the jump...
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I was watching tonight’s show with MMA virgins, they had never seen a full match yet a full card. After watching the Sonnen/Bisping match, and without understanding the subtleties of MMA scoring, they felt Bisping clearly won the match. I was on the fence. But, Sonnen’s forced promo after made them ask me if the sport is real or is it a new form of pro-wrestling. This, after I had hyped the match as a lead in to a huge rematch with one of the greatest of the sport before the fight to perk their interest. For the ultra-casual fan, I can see how Sonnen not selling Bisping’s performance a bit and making ridiculous statements after a fight he barely won would give them pause. Sonnen is a blessing and a curse for the sport and I hope Anderson shows the neophytes how real this sport is.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
awesome
Roth, you get a lot of shit for the pro wrestling stuff, but catching a 35 year old reference is pretty impressive. I grew up watching WWF, and still remember when my parents took me to my first amateur wrestling practice when I was like 7, I thought I was going to be doing flying elbows off the top rope and shit.
For the first time ever, I was getting a bit tired of Chael’s schtick leading up to this fight. The pre-fight stuff was entertaining, but a little too rehearsed. I was very relieved to listen to the ‘real’ Chael post fight on Fox and in the press conference. It certainly quelled any of the annoyance I had with him to hear him speak much more honestly (relatively).
I see it the opposite...
Too much bullshit to be honest. I enjoy the talent Chael has with the microphone but this is serious stuff for the UFC to consider. “Beef” between these two was fake and to have a post fight interview go the way this did screams pure bullshit in my opinion… A second FOX broadcast and the casual fan is suppose to think that this is a tad more real than WWE? With their behavior over the last 24 hours?
I’m seeing a UFC that’s starting to get too murky. A tad fake? I want GSP telling the fans it wasn’t good enough. I want a Diaz telling me how it goes down in Stockton. I want a Rampage telling me that he’s the best Rampage to walk into a cage and Bones deserves his due for beating him up. I want to see Griffin tell us that he hates the thought of fighting Quinton again because it’s gonna hurt… I don’t need the bullshit Sonnen presents.
He ain’t no champion. He ain’t undefeated. And he can fuck off with his talking the talk yet pitter pattering punchin’ schtick…
That being said, I look forward to purchasing yet another PPV where yet again Anderson beats the jawin’ bastard.
by jthin on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think your last lines sums up everything.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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I think it's the only Chael fight I would be excited to see Tim.
And his talk is fun to listen to but it’s skirting a little close to WWE than the UFC where it is “as real as it gets”.
Right
I said I was annoyed by him too. If you listened to him after the fight though, (not counting the Rogan interview) he sounded much more like a regular guy, even conceding that he wouldn’t have argued if he’d lost the decision. It was nice to see him not in character, which has become way too over the top.
by insamniac on Jan 29, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people always forget its just an act
Just look at how riled up everyone is about it lol.
People already know it's an act
They just grew tired of it. It was good at first, made every body hate him before the Andy fight. Then, became awesome when he sad a lot of hilarious things. But now, it’s completely lame and forced. Nobody is riled up like before the Silva fight, people are just annoyed.
"To me in this sport, it’s fighting, it’s mixed martial arts, and I feel there’s too many athletes and not enough fighters…I think these people going in taking these sports enhancement drugs, they’re not real fighters, they’re athletes. I’m a fighter. I’m a real fighter. That’s all I did my whole life." - BJ Penn
UNDEFEATED AND UNDISPUTED
Chael yet again successfully defended his middleweight championship. Yeah an idiot judge gave Chael all 3 rounds because one takedown negates quite a bit of offense from the other fighter unfortunately but I called it. The takedown is valued WAY too highly in the eyes of the judges and has been this way for far too long.
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by Rob Young on Jan 29, 2012 4:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bisping's offense mostly consisted of leaning against Sonnen and pushing him against the cage
Bisping produced very little offense in the first and third. How anyone thought he won is mind blowing.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
how you think that there was little offense from bisping is mind blowing
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
Do you also think that Clay Guida is some kind of offense producing fighter?
Most of the fight consisted of a stalemate or Bisping defending takedowns, getting take down and punched a few times on the way up. His actual offensive output wasn’t too impressive in the first and third. Sonnen was actually busier in the clinch in the first, landing a good amount of knees and dirty boxing a bit. I don’t see how someone gives the first round or the third round to Bisping. Even the second round was competitive.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Check the stats. Sonnen edged Bisping out on everything essentially. As small as that edge was, takedowns do mean everything.
by Empty Thoughts on Jan 29, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Roth really is into his wrasslin'
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
-1. Boom. There goes mathematics running wild.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not going to lie
I love this comment
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
+ infinity and then multiplied by infinity.
buh-boom blam
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by Rob Young on Jan 29, 2012 4:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m done picking random events to showcase how awesome MMA is. We all know sometimes it can be boring, even for us.
"I don't want to sound cocky, but I do hold myself in high regard."
It was just happenstance. We had planned this dinner for awhile and tuned in, I had my DVR recording, but they were curious. If I’m going to showcase an MMA event for friends I will make sure that a Diaz or Condit is on the show. I’m not hosting a Super Bowl party this year. My friends want my good eats they are going to get a good show to boot.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You SHOULDN'T just pick any old event to introduce someone to MMA.
I was brought into the sport the right way… Highlight reels. The first HL reels I saw were of Fedor, BJ, Chuck, Gomi, Hughes. You watch those, and some stock “best knockouts/ best submissions” montages, and then you’re ready for a proper event.
Granted, I think I took to the sport alot quicker than your average person. I did Judo as a kid, and was also a big pro wrestling fan (although I can’t stand the shit nowadays).
But yeah, if you’re going to show someone a full card, maybe try to get a DVD of a great event in recent memory. That way nobody ruins their special night.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 29, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
Are we so sensative?
Why does every action or match have to be a referendum on the sport of MMA? It is what it is, You Mad Bro?
I am vorn the unspeakable the skulls of those who defy me bleach in the suns of hundreds of worlds...... and you are
No. Just giving the perspective of a fan who isn’t plugged into every bit of MMA and is just curious. Guess what? That’s what Fox is doing as well.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
And the word is “sensitive”.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
calm down guys
memitim is just mad that JOE got exposed in a bad way.
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by Rob Young on Jan 29, 2012 4:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
JOE got robbed. Planes and shit…
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fuck those ignorant assholes
You tell those ignorant fools that MMA does not have to prove anything to them. When UFC becomes bigger than the NFL,NBA,MLB,PGA they are not going to be able to watch. Chael sonnen will make sure of that.lol
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by Charmin Ultra on Jan 29, 2012 4:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
love how you tried to sneak PGA in there and no-one would notice
Quietly leading Cecil Peoples Champs to victory and beyond.
All in the game yo, all in the game
by Our Bovine Public on Jan 29, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It does make me wonder how much of that was Rogan’s commentary, he seemed to sell Bisping holding Sonnen against the fence as having much more value than Sonnen having Bisping down on the ground.
"You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan, Designed and directed by his red right hand"
Given how that fight was predicted to go,
I think that it wasn’t that out of line. I was a lot surprised at Bisping’s effort personally. MAybe he could have framed it better.
The look on Rogan’s face after Chael’s awkward little speech was priceless, and reflected how I felt.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
I love mma & I used to love pro wrestling with that said...
Cheal Sonnen has jumped the shark. It’s forced and unoriginal…to begin with it was an extention of persona not his own but now it’s just recycling & hoping for the best… That’s not paying homage it’s being lazy & thinking fans are so hungry for this shit they’ll eat up anything spewed out of his mouth.
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by RECE ROCK on Jan 29, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Chael figured, "Hey, I'm on fox,
I’ll just grab my spotlight while it’s on and run with it." I think it was so poorly executed, and looked so weird after such a close fight, that his plan backfired. But whatever, I am so over that guy that I don’t even care if he loses or wins anymore, him on the mic is an instant channel change for me at this point. and if that’s the direction the UFC goes in, well, it was fun.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Subtleties or not, how the fuck did Bisping win that fight?
Barely won? Clearly you, along with Rogan, were exaggerating Bisping’s output to sway your friends’ opinions.
From striking distance, Bisping outlanded Chael by a mere 2 strikes in the first, and 1 strike in the second. Nobody in their right mind would value that over a clearly won ground game and takedowns. There are no subtleties here. Chael clearly won.
by paythefighters on Jan 29, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody in their right mind values a meaningless takedown or two,
or Chael’s weak flailing in the clinch, over landing the better strikes for both the first and the second round, which Bisping did. Here’s to winning fights with aggression, pseudo-control and a big mouth. You’re our hero Chael Sonnen!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
The takedowns were not meaningless
He trapped Bisping against the cage and flurried on him for short (!) periods of time when he got back up. So while he wasn’t doing much on the ground, the TD did have some effect.
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Of course,
just matching the lunatic tone of the comment I was responding to. Takedowns count for close to nothing in my book, but if they lead to strikes or serious submission attempts, those actions score points.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care, it was still amusing,
especially coming after a loss:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 2:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well, technically...
wait, I see what you did there…
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sigh. Here comes that fucking pelican gif. again:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
What pelican gif?
I must know.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Here we go.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand...
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
See, it's working!
There was a point where this was the go-to for all “I see what you did there” comments:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Shit...I'm so behind the curve...
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
if anyone seriously thinks mma is fake
they’re fucking retarded
before you reply to this comment, think. Are you mad?
by JayT86 on Jan 29, 2012 2:22 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
They didn’t think it was fake. They thought, after Chael’s promo and my hyping how big the event would be in Brazil if Chael won, that it was tilted. And chill on the retarded. No need to feed the stereotype.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 2:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He busted out Billy Graham at the pre-fight press conference too. “The reflection of perfection”.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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Another thing he has in common with Billy Graham
is that they’re both avid abusers of steroids!
Except Sonnen's fucked, now that he has to cut his cycle earlier.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
so you dont count. what worse you forgot the Hos
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
by dandeman on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why do people read soo much into an over the top promo? Yeah, it’s pro wrestling 101. I kinda wish he wouldn’t just straight rip legends off (at least when Joshi’s doin’ it, he reps Dusty and stuff), but…these types of hype promos exist in every level of every sport smart/dumb enough to put a live mic in front of a competitor. If you don’t think this drives casual interest, you’re crazy. Chael’s speech was the most memorable thing of the entire UFC on Fox 2 main card. The fights certainly aren’t making casuals pine for more.
Instead of hating, think about a couple things:
1. If you’re here deriding it, that means you remembered it at least.
2. If you think outrageous characters do any damage to the credibility of the sport whatsoever, I can point you to 500 examples why you’re fucking wrong. And you can probably point me to about three that might help your point. Probably two and a half, one of them was probably Sky Low Low.
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If he dominated I would agree. He barely pulled out a victory and then went on that rant. Wrong time, wrong place.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not really. You have an opinion of the sport as a regular watcher. You wanted/expected him to give Bisping some props for a close fight (which he did plenty of at the post-fight press conference). But what’s more memorable? What’s going to cement his place in the minds of a gigantic audience? The completely tame and predictable Rashad Evans interview? Or a catchy (if rehearsed) promo? You’re looking at it the wrong way man. That was exactly the right time and exactly the right place.
You want 100% sport? Cool. I respect that. But the UFC isn’t 100% sport.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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My audience didn’t watch the post-fight interviews. They watched a fighter, who barely won, give a ridiculous promo post-fight promo and it harkened to their days of watching pro-wrestling. That’s all. They didn’t know who Chael was going in but they recognized his style of post fight rambling as pure pro-wrestling.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m trying to figure out what’s wrong with that?
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by Tim Burke on Jan 29, 2012 3:26 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Like I said, if Chael dominated then the perception would be different. He didn’t. A debate could easily be made that Bisping won but Chael/Anderson is the more money fight. If I’m a casual I would have my doubts. That’s the point regarding Chael’s post-fight promo.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay, so if Chael says “hey, close fight, I barely beat Bisping”…your friends are gonna go “well shit, that had to be real?”
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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Definitely. His interview post- fight was pure WWE. If he did a more realistic interview, like Rampage saying I thought I lost that fight, they would see the realism. Chael was projecting pure fantasy.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like when Rampage said
Forrest “kicked my ass” in the cage and immediately changed to “I won the fight” backstage? So you want the UFC to be more fake?
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
And Chael was at the press conference sayin “Bisping kicked my ass” tonight. It’s exactly the same thing.
I assume memitim is an adult, and he sat down and watched the card with adults. If adults can’t figure out that MMA (like all sports) involve some level of pageantry, and that sometimes the witty catchline is more important for future interest than the sportsmanlike mumbo jumbo everyone else spouts…well, god rest his MMA-loving soul.
Personally, I think memitim is just bitter cuz JOE lost again! : )
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The thing is regular folks look at MMA and can’t help but see similarities in pro-wrestling. Then Chael confirms them. That’s all.
And JOE was robbed!!!
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What’s wrong with that though? If they think that the relationship blurs the line between fixed and real, that’s on them. Many, many more people just wanna be entertained. Ask Monte Fisto, we argue about this all the time. In this case, I’m on his side.
I do appreciate the debate though. You’re one of the few that can take a minority position, get plastered for it, and still retain your dignity and not let it degenerate into name calling and stupidity (kinda like Chael, ironically). Props to you, sir.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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Tim, you are one of the very few that I would debate into the whee hours of the morning knowing I will come out understanding more than when I came in.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL that might be the nicest thing anyone’s said to me on here. Other than that one time Roth said I had a nice ass, but that was just awkward.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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You see, I’m more interested in your mind, than Roth is in your body.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
O_o
quote of the week:: Miesha Tate - "She better keep that pretty little chin tucked if she doesn't want to wake up with the lights in her eyes."
One of those scares me. The other…well, I do have a pretty nice ass.
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Considering pro-wrestling’s man thongs, you should be at peace.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or, if Roth really did say that, don’t lead him on.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bloody Elbow: come for the homoerotic sporting event,
stay for the homoerotic comments.
Pics or it didn't happen.
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Jan 30, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
you're living in a mma media bubble if you think simple stuff like this has no effect on casuals
i have friends who think every fight lesnar was in was fixed. this is not because they’re WWE fans, it’s because they’ve been exposed to WWE and think it’s stupid.
it’s that great crossover WWE audience you all crave – except it’s not a fan audience, it’s an audience that thinks WWE is stupid.
chael is great for hardcore fans who get it but it was a mistake putting him on this card.
It depends on whether or not you are willing to put weight on the people on his livingroom counting as a representative sample of a bunch of people in livingrooms across the U.S.
I’ve also seen it happen back at home.
Here in Mexico we’re all about BOXING (RAAAHRRRR!) and most of my family, save for my brother, thinks MMA is huggy bullshit. They just don’t give a fuck about it since they watched a crappy, wrestly hugfest.
Seems plausible.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't this whole discussion about how Chael did Chael?
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
I kinda think he gave his friends some unrealistic expectations in the first place.
This, after I had hyped the match as a lead in to a huge rematch with one of the greatest of the sport before the fight to perk their interest
As a fan of the sport that’s seen a Chael Sonnen fight before, why would you think, or give them any sort of impression, that Chael would do anything different?
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But, if you never watched the sport before, and were told a rematch with Anderson would fill a Brazil soccer stadium, that the results might seem tilted, without any understanding of MMA judging? And then he gives a standard pro-wrestling promo post match that he barely won? It would seem fishy to someone who was watching for the first time.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, so does two guys rolling around without throwing punches.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well, as someone who hasn’t watched a sport before, I certainly wouldn’t think it was fixed the first time I tuned in. I’ve never seen dodgeball on TV, but if I throw on ESPN Ocho and see a good ole’ dodgeball game, and the fat guys beat the skinny guys, my first thought isn’t “FIX!” Especially if the fats guys cut a funny promo.
As I said before, maybe you should have given your friends a more realistic explanation of what they were about to see. You really didn’t say “here comes some grade A bullshit!” when Rogan stuck a mic in his face? Really?
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Dodgeball on ESPN Ocho is pure fiction. Like Chael’s post-fight promo.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Kinda my point.
Do you remember Chris Weidman’s post fight interview? Do you care who he fights next? Hell, we KNOW who Rashad’s fighting next. Do you remember his promo? Do you care about that bout any more than you did 75 months ago when it was originally rumored?
Sonnen sold Silva/Sonnen 2 to a huge audience tonight. If your 11 friends went “eww fake, make it go away!”, fine. I fucking guarantee you that 100000% more casual fans went “well shiiit that guy was funny, I wanna see that!”
If that’s too fake for you, I’ll send you updates about the fight while you and your friends are at a movie or something. Wait, that’s fake too?
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To any sportsman, Chael’s promo was fake. No one watched the press conference besides die hards. And that’s who will be most interested in Chael/Anderson II based on tonight’s performance. Chael did zero to promote that fight on a performance basis.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
By barely beating a really tough competitor that was pushed as world-class all night? I disagree. He won. That’s what mattered, and that’s what will always matter in this sport. And a quick look at the stats plays out the fact that Chael won two rounds.
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Like I said, to someone who isn’t accustomed to MMA judging it’s hard to watch that fight and see Chael as the winner.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
now that's
some hyperspeed hyperbole
quote of the week:: Miesha Tate - "She better keep that pretty little chin tucked if she doesn't want to wake up with the lights in her eyes."
Not really. A lot of people, even Dana White, thought Bisping won.
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My twitter: @TB_Money
You should know your hyperbole from bole.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
let’s improve the dialogue <3
quote of the week:: Miesha Tate - "She better keep that pretty little chin tucked if she doesn't want to wake up with the lights in her eyes."
Sakuraba, Rickson, Minowaman, improved. Done.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 5:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rocky, Apollo, Fedor and Big Nog ;p
quote of the week:: Miesha Tate - "She better keep that pretty little chin tucked if she doesn't want to wake up with the lights in her eyes."
Happy to see you are following. I stand by those posts.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 5:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stats lie. Always.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
62% of people say that’s bullshit, Barton. 78%!!
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I know you agree anyway, but for posterity
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/06/overeem-vs-werdum-ii-official.html
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you haven’t already, check out how compustrike scored this bout as opposed to FM. While I think Chael won, your point will be fully proven by the disparity.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
I did that
after I saw fightmetric. It’s so silly that two “statistic” sites can have such a huge disparity in numbers. The whole “science” is rubbish and people who use them to prove who won are being tricksy.
I know some people thought Chael won and, to be fair, I think I know why some people scored it for him. I just think those people score MMA wrong.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
And I think FightMetric consistently gets the stats right while Compustrike is dumb. Chael clearly won one and three my friend. : )
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
They certainly
got it right with Overeem vs Werdum!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
Compustrike has poor methodology
They count where strikes come from, not where they land. That’s just stupid. It’s 10x more important to know whether power shot are landing to the head rather than the body or legs than it is to know whether those shots were punches or kicks.
by paythefighters on Jan 29, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
how the fuck?
I don’t understand how Overeem threw Werdum to the ground repeatedly but gets zero credit for takedowns. Fightmetric is starting to slip into compustrike territory—it’s still not obviously wrong all the time, but it’s had me scratching my head a lot. Or maybe my scalp is just dry.
It says why right in the link.
“Note: Overeem is not credited with successful takedowns because a takedown requires that the attempting fighter establish a ground-based advantageous position.”
It didn't credit Chael
for getting mount either. The whole system is stupid and broken.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
My point if you’re gonna sit a bunch of people down and sell it as 100% sport, especially when CHAEL SONNEN IS ON YOUR TV, I think you probably just hurt your own cred more than the sport’s cred.
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My twitter: @TB_Money
Except Chael showed up for Anderson and Stann. He didn’t tonight and then after the fight pretended he did. That’s the point. I can sell Chael after those fights. After tonight, and his BS after, I can’t.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Bisbing is tougher than you thought
And maybe Chael is good enought to beat him bad
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
Except Chael didn’t beat him bad. He barely beat him.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How are you missing the fact that what happens in the cage isn’t always 100% important to building the next fight!
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
Because if I’m watching for the first time and hear how awesome Anderson is, after watching Chael tonight, I would expect Tyson/nobody.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s taking it in the other direction though. 100% is very far from 0%. I see what you’re saying, but just show em UFC 117.
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My twitter: @TB_Money
But, I can’t sell Chael without selling the Spider. That’s what he is defined by today. Tonight, that guy gets destroyed by the Spider and hopefully will in Brazil so we can put him behind us.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve always been of the opinion that Anderson’s rib injury really affected him that night and it would have never been close with out it anyway. Anderson’s clearly 10 times the fighter Chael is, IMO. I just like guys that find ways to maximize their income potential in any way possible, and personality gets you ahead in every walk of life. I respect his ability to be shameless, basically.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
After watching “Like Water” I’m certain Anderson’s injury had a ton to do with his fight against Chael and I look forward to him proving it. I have little problem with Chael’s normal schtick. But, in the cage, with the guy who just beat him up, I hope for more. That’s all.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough.
Good debate, sir.
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A fisherman always sees another fisherman from afar. I tip my hat.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I still think Rich Franklin beats Chael
9 outta 10
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
Rich got taken down and controlled by Forrest
How does he deal with Chael?
by paythefighters on Jan 29, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not agreeing with Chris’s thoughts there, but Forrest is essentially a Heavyweight even if he fights at Light Heavy. Franklin getting controlled by Forrest isn’t hard to imagine once you consider the weight difference.
by Empty Thoughts on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Good thing you didn't introduce your friends
to MMA durig the Silva/Leites fight. Imagine how fucked their heads would have been. I’m assuming you chill will simple people AND they would have had to pay for it.
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
Good thing I didn’t introduce them to GSP vs anyone lately or Lesnar for that matter. Like I said, tonight was happenstance. Some I hang with have zero clue about MMA and some are real competitors. Depends on the night and the card.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, it’s not. I made it clear who I was watching with. You made your own assumptions.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's gone
so don’t bother talking to him anymore
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 29, 2012 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
Then I will just yodel. Or have a yodel.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 4:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would say
that there is no 100% pro sport.
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would counter this by saying that he won a dominating fight
But then Unaguy would come and try to tell me I’m wrong. I didn’t know this was a tag team event
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
Chael IS WWE afterall...
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 29, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
You are entitled to see the fight the way you say you did. And there's plenty of people who saw Bisping as winning.
I, like you, though Sonnen won clearly, though (not a dominating one, but still). Don’t be mad, brah. Just sleep on it and calm down.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna sleep on it and not comment again
Till the PPV next weekend. I’m getting it all out of the way now
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Sleep well, man.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
I like you and wouldn't spend my time fighting if I didn't
Just letting you know I only comment when drunk so I’m not running but just don’t drink during the work week. I’ll be back fighting bullshit points next weekend.
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it seems to me that a large percentage of mma fans still remember the day they found out wrestling was fake, and it makes them sad because they were “lied to.” That’s the only thing that can explain the outrageous hate it gets. Yes, it’s fake. yes, it’s a trashy form of entertainment. So is lots of other bullshit that’s on tv, people need to get over it.
If you irrationally hate pro wrestling, you have to do 2 things. The first thing is realize that whatever you think about people that like pro wrestling, people also think that about you liking mma. And the second thing is get over it, because the pro wrestling elements aren’t going away, so deal with it.
by Phildo on Jan 29, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up with MMA
So I always knew Pro-wrestling was fake. Maybe that’s why I don’t really mind it.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think so....
If you don’t think this drives casual interest, you’re crazy. Chael’s speech was the most memorable thing of the entire UFC on Fox 2 main card.
Pro wrestling is over with. The casuals are turned off by Chael Sonnen, not interested in him.
The story memitim related about his non MMA friends asking him “wait, what was that? Is this new pro wrestling?” was likely repeated all across North America. It might have been memorable but not in a good way at all.
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Funny how on BE its paying homage and on MM its ripping off
Only paying homage when you reference who your paying homage to imo.
Chael clearly trying to be clever and getting caught
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by AfroSamurai on Jan 29, 2012 3:17 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I agree with that. Like I said above, Josh Barnett freely gives Dusty Rhodes credit when he does the Hard Times promo. Chael’s kinda hoping no one is noticing that’s he’s ripping off guys now, it seems.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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How is it ripping them off?
I think giving props would be better.
I might have spelled that out wrong or something, I dunno. I think giving props would be better too. Sonnen’s not doing that though. He’s not giving the Superstar any props, or even admitting that he’s using the same lines.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
I dunno, I’d say that 1/4 of pro wrestlers directly rip off Superstar in some way. Hulk Hogan IS Superstar Billy Graham. Exactly the same.
Either way, I get what you’re sayin. Just keepin his shit alive, especially in another sport, is a definite form of props. It’s just really transparent to fans of said sport. Many people are sitting at home tonight thinking “damn, that Sonnen guy is witty as hell!” when all he did was memorize a speech written by a man 30 years ago and regurgitated to a new audience.
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I think Geno (on Mania) got it right.. stealing someones promo word-for-word without giving them credit is ripping them off, not paying homage.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
by Horselover Fat on Jan 29, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hey memitim, you may not be into pro wrestling.
But let The Rock ask you this…what in the blue blazing hell was JOE doing tonight? He walked straight off his house on the corner of Jabroni Drive, checked into to the Smackdown Hotel on Mike Russow’s dime. And once Russow was done with him, he dropped him off onto Know Your Role Boulevard!
What happened?!
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Jan 29, 2012 3:45 AM EST reply actions
What was your name, son? Who the hell are you?
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
Sorry
Who in the blue hell are you?
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
That one adjective saved me a bit of shame.
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Jan 29, 2012 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
JOE screwed JOE. Montreal style.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana backstage meeting with JOE.
“Jon! YOU’RE! FIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!”
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Jan 29, 2012 3:52 AM EST up reply actions
And Joe spits in his face after he punks him in the mouth and goes to ONE FC to become a star. Or something like that….
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 29, 2012 3:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Which Jon?
Neither performed very well tonight
"God loves violence... Why else would there be so much of it? It's in us. It's what we are. We wage war, we burn sacrifices, and pillage and plunder and tear at the flesh of our brothers. And why? Because God gave us violence to wage in his honor... There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?"
- Warden of Ashecliffe Hospital
by ElliotMatheny on Jan 29, 2012 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever that fight was, I wouldn't call it a smackdown.
"God loves violence... Why else would there be so much of it? It's in us. It's what we are. We wage war, we burn sacrifices, and pillage and plunder and tear at the flesh of our brothers. And why? Because God gave us violence to wage in his honor... There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?"
- Warden of Ashecliffe Hospital
by ElliotMatheny on Jan 29, 2012 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
Now the Bisping 'won' crowd can shut up.
“33: Total strikes by which Sonnen outlanded Bisping in their middleweight No. 1 contender bout. The Team Quest representative connected on more total strikes than Bisping in every round. He also successfully landed more significant strikes than "The Count" in rounds one (24 to 13) and three (5 to 2).”
"significant strikes" is a beyond idiotic metric.
"God loves violence... Why else would there be so much of it? It's in us. It's what we are. We wage war, we burn sacrifices, and pillage and plunder and tear at the flesh of our brothers. And why? Because God gave us violence to wage in his honor... There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours?"
- Warden of Ashecliffe Hospital
by ElliotMatheny on Jan 29, 2012 5:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also scored takedowns and generally outgrappled him
Bisping didn’t do much in the first and third rounds. Sure it looked like he was busy, but he just pushed Sonnen up against the fence during those rounds. I don’t care about Rogan’s bias and absurd commentary during that bout.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Randy Couture does pro wrestling shtick and calls his unit Space Mountain.
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Jan 29, 2012 3:57 AM EST reply actions
This thread has me feeling like I'm on acid
It was fun but now I will lay awake staring at the ceiling thinking about the girls I should have banged.
"Life isn't Fucking fair! Deal with it." Dad.
Bisping got screwed...
…harder than Bret Hart. 30-27? wtf.
One of the best things about this sport...
If you didnt like how this show went down(Chael’s promo, etc)..just wait til next weekend. It’ll be totally different with Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit.
I personally think Chael is entertaining. If he had a dominant(or even a convincing) win last night the over the top promo wouldn’t have been so bad.
PS: I was hoping Chael would win, however, I personally feel that Bisping should have erked that one out. Takedowns that result in the defensive fighter standing RIGHT back up shouldnt even draw points in my opinion.
And pushing a guy against the fence should?
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
Neither should count.
And if they do count, they should be based on how long the dominant fighter is maintaining the position.
Together we are Ruining Your Special Night. Twice.
And damage, if that wasn't obvious, but that's kind of negligible in this case
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a takedown signifies control
even if it’s brief. are you suggesting that judges use stop watches to determine if a takedown was effective? EVERY takedown is effective. the effect is that your opponenet is on the ground. if you throw a hook and it doesn’t knock your opponent out, does that mean that the hook should not count? people that say that takedowns that are brief should not matter when judging a fight should probably watch boxing.
My point was that i dont think that just cus you got a few takedowns(that did nothing other than show control for half a second) should weigh as heavily as it does. Otherwise im going to become the master of taking you down over and over, just to stand back up..the rest of the time i’ll run around the cage avoiding engaging unless i can take you down. I’ll be champ in no time right?
If that was the case, atleast GSP wouldnt be so boring in comparison.
by MediaOutlaws on Jan 29, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
thems the rules
so i don’t have a problem with it. sure, bisping got right back up. but he would have won the fight had he been able to not get taken down. if fighter A can take fighter B down at will, then fighter A wins. that’s how it works, even if you don’t like it. it’s hard to mount your own offense when you spend the entire fight trying to stand back up.
Im aware thats the rules, as we saw last night by the decision(and many other times). I just think they weigh takedowns a little too heavily sometimes.
by MediaOutlaws on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously I'm not advocating judges carrying stop watches.
Rather, I’m arguing that takedowns that don’t lead to anything are inconsequential. I mean how much control does a takedown signify if the fighter getting taken down gets up right away? Why should it be considered effective control when the fighter credited with the takedown was unable to control his/her opponent on the ground? And the hook comparison doesn’t work because a punch that doesn’t result in a knock out still does damage. A takedown without substantial follow-up does not.
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This ^
How much control do you really have when you take someone down and they get right back up.
I also remember quite a few instances where Chael was being ground up against the fence by Bisping…To me that is more control than a takedown that results in immediate standing back up. He was blatantly frustrated by Bisping against the cage as his offensive plan came to a screeching halt for much longer than it took for Bisping to return to his feet from a takedown.
by MediaOutlaws on Jan 29, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Chael landed clean, hard shots off takedowns in the first and second
Bisping merely pressured him with strikes, some illegal, all while grabbing the fence or shorts. While no point was officially taken, illegal moves influenced position and damage. Chael, however, landed hard, legal strikes, and ultimately got the better of ground exchanges.
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by halitosis on Jan 29, 2012 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because the fighter doing the takedown bypassed his opponent's defense
When looking at that situation, the fighter being taken down was put in a compromised position, and his opponent willed it so. If he got up right away, count it for a little less, but it should still count in favor of the man on top.
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by halitosis on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If his defense is bypassed,
it should lead to something, and that’s what should be scored. Chael landed a few decent punches on the ground, but standing, Michael landed nearly all the hard punches in that fight. Their knees in the clinch were pretty much a wash. Takedowns are overvalued generally, and in this fight were particularly meaningless as Chael did little with them, and Bisping got back to his feet each time with little trouble.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
the very act of taking someone down IS the bypassing of his opponents defense. bisping did not want to be taken down, but he was taken down none the less.
Offense like in sports, not in fighting.
You can’t say one guy has an advantage in any position unless he TAKES advantage of the position. Otherwise you’re scoring on theory instead of in practice. If a guy hits a takedown and nearly gets subbed three or four times but escapes, is he penalized for stupidly taking the fight into an opponent’s demonstrated strength? No the scoring comes from the actual sub attempts, not from who is perceived to have the fight in the best position. There’s a little thing called BJJ. Takedowns are offense, they count like a decent punch.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
You're exactly right.
The value in a takedown comes from doing something with it, causing damage, or at least working to a tight submission attempt. Other than that, it’s worth about a body shot, and then only if it’s a hard takedown.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 29, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
so all i wanna know is did you count the times chael had him on the cage as be ineffective as well or are you going to continue to say ridiculous shit? bisping was winning that fight before that 3rd round and all you chael fans know it . and further more he didnt do well at all in this fight to atleast make people excited for him and anderson i just want it to be over so the damn dumb ass old 80s wrestling promos can stop like really? yeah you and all those guys have something in common: non working balls from abusing steroids
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and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
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Sonnen produced more offense
That simple.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
did he really though because i’ve seen you say this all over this site sir and i just dont believe you at all. bring the fightstats cool whatever still before that 3rd round he was losing that fight IMO fair enough?
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
I had it even going into the third
In the first Chael landed the hardest shot in the stand up (an overhand right), took Bisping down and hit him a couple times (only three or so punches on the way up but still), and landed some good knees in the clinch. It wasn’t a blowout, it wasn’t entertaining, but I fail to see how Bisping won that round. He didn’t land a lot of flush shots, and when he did Sonnen was able to hit him as well.
And I’ve said before that Fightmetric isn’t the end all be all, it generally gives us a good insight into how a fight broke down and is fairly consistent and reliable. It’s a good tool to use and shouldn’t be ignored completely because you wanted the Count to win.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
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by RECE ROCK on Jan 29, 2012 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
can anyone put something in perspective?
if you’ve ever watched sonnen’s fights, they are all the same type of fights…his goal is to get you down and hold you down and pound on you. Couple that with Bisping’s ability to NOT be taken down and be held down and you get what you saw in last night’s fight. To try to say that he looked “terrible” and Anderson will destroy him is ridiculous. Anderson’s TDD and strength is nowhere close to Bisping. Chael will take Anderson down at will and the only shot he has at winning are the same things he had last time:
1) Short amount of standup time he’s allowed – start of rounds and if ref stands them up
2) Subs from his back
What you should’ve been paying attention to is yet again Chael is improving his BJJ as he quickly moved to full mount against Bisping. I can easily see Sonnen submitting Silva this next time or GnP from full mount for ref to stop it. Mark it down!
yeah sure
like water
and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
by Balrog on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM PST"
Agreed
In what universe does Sonnen submit Silva? Cause I know it’s not in this one.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
while i cant really imagine chael ko'ing or subbing silva
you make an awesome point saying how much his bjj has improved
there was one exchange in the fight when sonnen was in bispings guard and bisping had wrist control on his right hand and looked to have a pretty sweet triangle choke set up and chael backed up stood up and escaped danger. the old sonnen doesnt escape that choke, throw in nice transition to mount and its very clear that sonnen has been working the hell outta his bjj to some good results
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Sure his bjj is gotten a bit better
But the reason he wasn’t able to take Silva’s back or any of that isn’t because of Chael, it’s because Silva is legit on the ground.
by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
yea
so is bisping. and bisping is a better scrambler and is much harder to take down in a pure grappling sense then silva in my eyes.
now silva is hard as fuck to take down due to his dangerous (that word doesnt really do it justice) striking. but i’ve always been a proponent that the bullrush strategy is the best way to beat anderson, and chael will absolutely come firing for the takedown the second the fight starts
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