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Nick Diaz: The Perfect Foil, but for who?


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Seems that every once in a while, a match gets made in the UFC that seems like a foregone conclusion. Nothing of the severity of what one would consider a squash match (see Cyborg vs Finney), but more along the lines of a fighter simply being superior to the other (see Bisping vs Henderson). More recently, however, it seems like a similar assumption is being made about the upcoming main event of UFC 143, Condit vs Diaz. Well, at least from what I'm seeing of the current Countdown show.

Thing is, I understand why. The UFC knows that it could probably make more money off of a GSP vs Diaz title fight then it could from GSP vs Condit, but I honestly think they're going about this thing all wrong. What I wanted to take the time to do was take a look at all three men in this triangle of violence, and see whether or not the UFC is making a mistake by focusing too much on GSP possibly facing Diaz.

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To start, let's talk about the one thing that has the UFC salivating when it comes to pre-fight hype: Diaz is the perfect villain. You want to know what makes a villain believable? That they believe what they're babbling about. Some guys like Josh Koscheck or Paul Daley like to talk smack because they're confident, but they're mostly playing to the crowd because they know how much fun we have with it. Diaz is different. Diaz believes that he is underpaid (he's not). Diaz believes that he shouldn't have to worry about the press (he does). Most importantly, Diaz believes that he's getting a raw deal (sorry, but no) and will not stop until he gets his way. He's immature, childish, and petulant, and that's what makes him a great villain. His rants are essentially temper tantrums, but at the same time can turn around and respect someone for doing something well. The point I'm trying to make is that he's the perfect villain because nothing about him is scripted.

What must also come as an obvious train of thought to the UFC is the fact that Diaz may as well be a polar opposite to Georges St. Pierre, who is easily the greatest welterweight fighter in history. Georges is polite, well mannered, a good example to kids, a constant professional, and a hard worker. In the cage, he is a calculating fighter that attacks his opponent's weakest area with surprising strength and skill. He's like a mix of Captain America and the Terminator, but French Canadian. A fight between he and Diaz (if I may nerd out a bit) is like Spider-Man fighting Bullseye. You couldn't have a more clear cut Hero vs Villain scenario outside of it. At the same time, are we forgetting that Carlos Condit isn't really that much different?

To be quite frank, Condit really isn't that much different than GSP outside of the octagon. He's professional, well spoken, and a genuinely nice human being. He's a hard working married man with a child, a house, and so forth. If he didn't beat people up for a living, you'd think he's just your average American guy with a few tattoos. Now, in the cage it's a different story. If GSP is a machine, then Condit is an animal. I can't really think of Condit really having a single strength, to be frank. He's one of those fighters that is just good no mater where the fight hits, but has some power in his shots. So, if he's all of these things, why is there less of a focus on Condit and Diaz clashing as people?

I think it all boils down to the UFC trying to set up a future moneymaker without realizing that they can do that without alienating one of the current challengers. With a bit more time with the Countdown show, I think that the UFC could have done a fantastic job of simply focusing on comparing both Condit and Diaz to one another, and letting the fans decide who to side with, but have small reminders that Georges St. Pierre is waiting in the wings. It's something the WWE was great with from a promotional standpoint back in the Attitude era, and I think that the UFC could have learned from that from a promotional standpoint.

As it stands, there's still two great fights to look forward to in the future. Though I think neither Condit or Diaz has a solid chance against Georges St. Pierre, they're both fighters that won't stop until they can't keep moving, and it'll make for a great viewing experience.

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-Micah C

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The ending to the last Primetime got me seriously hyped for GSP/Diaz.

But it’s also a perfect case of the UFC looking past the present in the hope that Condit won’t play spoiler. Condit/Diaz is waaay to close for the UFC to be revealing their fantasy matchmaking.

...he also sends me messages saying "Prepare your soul, only god and jiu jitsu can save you and god isn’t listening". -Patrick Tenney

by GreyedOut on Jan 28, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I thought gsp got too much time on a primetime show that he wasn’t really a part of (yes i know the winner fights gsp so no need to tell me). And gsp calling himself dark? lol Hes about as dark as a teletubbie.

by mikeI981j on Jan 28, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, he tans like twice a day. He’s very dark. For a Canadian.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Jan 29, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

god micah i love you lol you said exactly how i feel. i literally in the second episode was watching it and skipped over like the 2nd part for diaz its just too much. i know im the diaz hater but come on its just too much. i really have been hoping for more footage on carlos because not only am i a big fan but i just think he’s going to really shine in this fight. i know nick diaz is a tough fighter and can go against anyone but just IMO the ufc and nick are going to be really shocked what type of fight they have on their hands this isnt fat bj.condit isnt gsp but damn it he’s not the guy you wanna go thru to get to him im just saying

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and this was the way i felt watching the reem kill brock
"He got knee'd right in the diverticulitis
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by Mac Marley on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

When I first saw the UFC promo pics hyping the fight

I thought Joey Tribbiane from friends was fighting that guy from Sin City (played by Mickey Rourke)

What would be the best outcome?

Carlos wins, but it’s close enough that an immediate rematch is called for,

or vice versa so if Diaz wins by a slim margin it still feels like there is a fight needed to settle it.

Diaz is dominant, and we get Diaz v Cerrone at a higher weight class, Diaz is clear for the title shot v GSP.

Carlos wins via TKO, setting up Condit v GSP.

Personally, I think that Diaz by split decision in an all out war is the ideal from the UFC perspective. It maintains the built up Diaz-GSP direction and makes that a superfight, while maintaining Condit as a legit “#1.5” contender.

So in that scenario, a GSP win over DIaz leaves Condit v GSP a good looking fight – well, as good looking as anyone else, because at that point it looks like he’s cleaned out the division again, and if GSP beats Diaz who beat Condit, well, GSP doesn’t lose a fight for a long time, because who else is there? A Diaz win, who gets the next shot? GSP has earned a rematch without needing a contender fight, but should it be the next defense for Diaz or does Condit get his rematch in a title shot vs Diaz? If Diaz’ win over GSP is lopsided, I think Condit v GSP for the next title shot sounds good. What do you think?

I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.

by DankNabbot on Jan 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Diaz is not a petulant, childish individual.

He probably has asperger’s, or something. He should have himself checked out, see if that’s what he has.

Aspes have a hell of a hard time dealing with folk in normal social scenarios. Just read about it.

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by Unabomberman on Jan 28, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

100% there is no way he has Asperger’s. He might have social anxiety, but he does not have Asperger’s.

Fuck you, double fingers
- Nick Diaz
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- Mark Twain

by TheLastEmpress on Jan 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You did a test on him, I gather?

A lot of people mischaracterize Asperger’s with straight out autism, when in fact they reside in a spectrum of cognitive and developmental disorders—not all aspergers are equal, just like not all autisms are equal.

Here are some of the characteristics on kids:

In kids:

Difficulty with Reciprocal Social Interactions (yep)
Impairments in Language Skills (yep)
Narrow Range of Interests and Insistence on Set Routines (fuck yes)
Motor Clumsiness (this gives credence to what you say)
Cognitive Issues (check the source)
Sensory Sensitivities (No way to know)

Read more on FamilyEducation: http://life.familyeducation.com/aspergers/characteristics/66244.html#ixzz1kn2WCqiZ

As for the adults:

Just check this link: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Asperger_syndrome_and_adults

Of course we can’t tell for certain 100%; but from where I stand, there’s a good chance he has had ass burgers his whole life and, at the very least, he should get tested if he is interested in learning how to develop better coping and communicational skills.

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by Unabomberman on Jan 28, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

*comunicational*

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by Unabomberman on Jan 28, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just no. People over diagnose it way to much. Not every awkward person has Asperger’s. Not every focused person has it either. I just think he is bad with media stuff. Nobody can say how how he acts in private at his school or with friends. How he is in interviews is no way to judge how he really is.

Fuck you, double fingers
- Nick Diaz
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society
- Mark Twain

by TheLastEmpress on Jan 28, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going on just about how he is on interviews.

And I didn’t diagnose anyone, either. But it’s been along time since Nick has been on the public eye, and people that know him all say these traits describe Nick: he can’t make eye contact, he has to gather himself when he speaks, he sticks to a routine that only makes sense if you are him, that he tends to talk on and on, and on, about stuff that matters to him, and that he has anxiety issues even since he was a kid.

All that is well known, and it coalesced to form a person that had trouble fitting in—at the very least, it makes the case to him being a candidate for the Asperger’s test.

While it may well be something else, there’s nothing wrong with saying “You know what, that dude could well have Asperger’s.” How is that wrong?

How do you think Aspies are found out in the first place? There’s always someone that says “Okay, there’s something peculiar to the way this guy/girl/kid behaves.”

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by Unabomberman on Jan 28, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I forgot to add that it is a myth that Aspies can't develop the social tools to interact with people in a meaningful manner.

And Nick also fits within the positive spectrum of personality traits that plenty of Aspies display: very group oriented, protective of his friends, fiercely loyal, pragmatic, etc., etc.

If he’s not, well, okay, but he sure seems like one. To recommend himself to get tested is no crazy at all.

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by Unabomberman on Jan 28, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a bit oversensitive about Asperger’s. I have a few friends who have it, and I get frustrated when people who are just dick’s try to use it an excuse. So excuse me.

Fuck you, double fingers
- Nick Diaz
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society
- Mark Twain

by TheLastEmpress on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Fucking auto-correct. *dicks.

Fuck you, double fingers
- Nick Diaz
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society
- Mark Twain

by TheLastEmpress on Jan 28, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that as fucking auto-correct with dicks

I didn’t quite know how to respond to that.

As someone who has had to deal with social anxiety and awkwardness all his life, I can relate with Diaz. A big reason I’m on the internet a lot is that I find it a lot easier to gather my thoughts in writing than actually speaking them to live people. I think Diaz uses fighting as his outlet as well. People who train with Diaz say that he can teach something very well, which doesn’t seem to make too much sense for someone who has trouble communicating with people. At the same time it kind of makes perfect sense, considering that this is the thing he excels at.

And now I’m rambling.

by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I get what you mean.

I don’t have social anxiety, but I had a small bit of it growing up and during my teens. But aspies do have a lot of anxiety issues if their particular situation goes uacknowledged b/c plenty of them do have the social drive to want to hang around people, but they have to learn the tools that most of us take for granted, and to use them consciously, which can be taxing as fuck, and in turn they become bitter folk as they go about collecting their life experiences.

But the way I see Nick, he doesn’t merely display an acute case of social anxiety but rather has a bunch of traits that if anything seem extremely correlated to most of the traits an aspie displays. Both the weird and the good—hell, even the way people respond to his traits is typical of people dealing with an Aspie and being unaware of it.

To hear him tell his tales of highschool as “hard times,” or that weird bit about being completely transfixed by “the fire alarm,” coupled with a bunch of interviews, and the statements of people that have spoken with him at length over the years, it just seems like the dude is wired differently.

Even though he looks strange and immature, the dude is being as real as he can be.

Again, even if it’s not Asperger’s, the dude should get himself checked.

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by Unabomberman on Jan 29, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

The prospect of going to someone whose job it is to judge whether there is something fucked up with you or not is pretty fucking scary.

by discoandherpes on Jan 29, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It's true the Primetime focused greatly on a potential match between GSP and Diaz.

But I think you’re missing an important part of the equation here. It’s not so much that the UFC wants the GSP v Diaz fight (though they probably do), but that GSP wants to fight Diaz (at least that’s the way he is portraying it).

by thelastsultan on Jan 28, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

addendum

There’s plenty of footage of GSP talking about how much he wants to fight Diaz, there’s probably little, if any, footage of him talking about wanting to fight Condit. Film is an easy to manipulate medium, but you can’t create footage out of thin air. In focusing on Diaz as GSP’s next opponent, the producers are simply working with what they have.

by thelastsultan on Jan 28, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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