Nate Quarry Gives Perspective On UFC Weapons Advertiser Ban
by Josh Nason on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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As the UFC continues to grow and evolve into more of a national entity, it continues to shed elements of its past, perhaps hoping to paint a more "polished" product for potential big-time sponsors and mainstream American sports fans that are just joining the party.
Earlier this week, news leaked that Zuffa had dropped The Gun Store and other related weapons/ammunition companies from its approved sponsor list. Retired MMA fighter and 10-fight UFC veteran Nate Quarry added his opinion to the mix on The Underground, giving perspective from someone that fought through the heart of the post-TUF boom period.
Here's a grammatically unedited excerpt:
An MMA fighter has an agent that he pays, a team he fights for that he trains at, that he pays, if he's good and has the money he has a muay thai coach, a Jits coach, a strength and conditioning coach, a diet coach and someone to help him cut weight. And if he just made it to the big shows he MAY make 30k for the year. Minus 20% for management and training at least then a third for taxes and you're sitting at about 16k to live on for the entire year.
Sponsors have always been a huge source of income for fighters. I can't tell you how many times a sponsor showed up at just the right time and gave me food money. Literally.
When I fought Pete Sell the second time I was sponsored by Toyo tires. For two fights I had their logo on my shorts. For what? A set of tires. That would be about $800. $400 for two fights on primetime that have been shown over and over. Why did I do it? Because I was driving around on my spare and one other tire was filled with fix a flat. The belts were showing on the other tires.
You want to see the best a fighter can be? Buy his gear. Support the brands that sponsor him and send the companies emails letting them know you're buying their protein because they're sponsoring someone.
What's that you say? If you don't like it then quit? I do like it. In fact, I love it. That's why I lived in my buddies basement 2 nights a week to save on gas money. And I rode with other friends to practice to save on gas money. And I packed a lunch to practice. And I only wore clothes sponsors and other more successful fighters would give me. And I'd do it all over again.
If you got into fighting to be rich, you chose the wrong sport. Do it for the love and if you get rich that's a nice bonus. But having those sponsors can sure make the ride easier.
Should Zuffa allow the fighters more liberties with getting sponsors or should they be restrictive? For example, if someone is bothered by the U.S. Marine Corps advertising on UFC events, should they fall under the same consideration? How can Zuffa make it right to fighters that are losing out on this money? Chime in below on this topic.
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I think it's pretty fair the way it is now
As the UFC grows, I think it’s going to become more restrictive. Sports leagues generally don’t give their athletes much flexibility in terms of what they’re allowed to endorse during competitions, and I see the UFC following the other leagues’ lead on that front.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Jan 26, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
^This
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
They have to listen to Fox. If Fox says no guns, there are no guns. Depending on when the news actually went out to the fighters, the only people in real trouble are the people fighting this Saturday, and if your agent was counting on the gun store (or can’t find a replacement) for a fight on Fox, you probably need a new agent.
Every sport has restrictions on what can be worn on official “league” events. Kicking out the gun sponsors but being seen on Fox and FX is more than a fair trade in my book.
Eaxctly spot on about the Why
The deal between FOX and UFC is going to be the cause of a lot of seemingly small changes like this gun sponsor ban. If you want to make it on network television and you opt to get in bed with a major channel, prepare for some changes, some watering down, and some political/social correctness.
Unfortunately, the way the UFC is structured, this DOES hurt the fighters. If the sponsorship honing continues, hopefully the UFC will increase the pay of the fighters on a sliding scale, so that the lower end guys get a good boost, mid tier guys get an average boost, and the top end guys see some increase as well. And honestly, I think that the Fertitas and Dana will try to make it right with the fighters because they do care passionately about the sport and their people.
What are you people thinking?
Are you children really comparing UFC fighters pay to other sports? NFL 1st yr rookies make well into six figures after 4 yrs they get a pention. These sponsers are how these fighters live and until these athletes are paid what they deserve Dana and Fox shuld leave them alone. The guys at the bottom are not able to get the big sponsers and there’s nothing any agent can do right now, the sport is just to new……
True
Didn’t Marshawn Lynch actually get fined for wear cleats that had skittles on them after he was seen on the sideline with skittles in his hand? Football players get fined all the time for wearing something that the NFL doesn’t allow. Chad Ochocinco had gold cleats etc.
by milliondollardreams on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I remember someone in the NBA getting fined every game for wearing unapproved shoes
Because they were “his” shoe.
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Even if it is a restrictive business practice
what fighter has enough money to take on either Fox or Zuffa?
Soccer...sort of like gay hockey on a giant lawn - Scottidog 1/12/12
Couture did, when backed by billionaire Mark Cuban
Then the UFC paid him off and that was the end of that potentially precedent-setting case.
by paythefighters on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn’t there be something like sponsors strictly just for PPVs? Or would FOX put a kibosh on that too?
Instead of helping fighters find replacement sponsors or ponying up the difference themselves they're going to hand out black tape for shirts and shorts
RVCA be damned!
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Uhh . . . uhmmm . . . ask Rico Rodriguez about sponsors and MMA events
I’m sure he has some interesting insights.
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That would never happen again... things are a bit more organized these days.
Just like for whatever period of time BUD LITE will be plastered on the octagon, you won’t see a fighter get a coors lite sponsorship because I’m sure it’s in the Budlite contract that they will be the only beer sponsors logo in the octagon regardless if its on the cage or the fighter.
I don’t blame the casino that gave UFC a hard time will Ricco’s sponsor… would you let competition advertise at an event held in your place of business?
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This is an issue right now BUT will most likely be a non issue in a year or so...
If the UFC explodes and truly becomes mainstream excepted and has tons of live content on NETWORK tv regularly ( not once every 2 or 3 months) then the big time sponsors will come… Look if Gatorade, Nike and underarmour and companies like that are already starting to sponsor or pay MMA fighters to be representatives of their brand in due time the big sponsors will be there regularly to sponsor talent.
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I'm with UFC/Zuffa on this
I can understand how someone would read Nate’s response and feel sorry for these guys…but you have to have certain rules for Sponsors. I don’t believe they should be allowed to ban for things like competition and things like that, but I do believe they have to ban things like guns, drugs, terrorism, etc. It’s up to them to go out and find other sponsors and also have side jobs to make ends meet. Nothing says once you become a fighter you can’t do anything else on the side.
Why guns?
Drugs, terrorism, etc are not protected by the Constitution.
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
The Constitution is a piece of paper written hundreds of years ago. Get over it.
by Shnak on Jan 26, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just a piece of paper...?
GTFO!
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by RECE ROCK on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
All I meant is that what was relevant hundreds of years ago might not be today… the right to bear arms made sense when you had cowboys running around robbing everybody… in 2012, not so much.
Disagree completely.
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
by rdmcurator on Jan 26, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah... cowboys... in the late 1700's
Please get a vasectomy.
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
His knowledge of American History came from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure...
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by RECE ROCK on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Excellent source material
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The 2nd amendment was meant to protect people from government.
Guns helped found America by fighting an overpowering english government. The reason the gun issue is the 2nd most important topic is because they didnt want government to abuse its power to control people ever again.
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by Harley hooper on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Great big mobile rec for that statement. Understanding, you have, young padawan!
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by Mr. Socko on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have you actually read the consitution
It holds up amazingly well. Our founding fathers were very intelligent people with a lot of foresight. Read up on that shit son.
Also if our government becomes abusive it is our responsibility as citizens to overthrow it. How are we going to do that without gats?
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. Good god man, effecting an air of indifference is one thing
but the Constitution’s national and global effects from its inception makes it the single most important political and social document ever devised.
Declaration of the rights of man is more important, for one
Constitution didn’t mean shit outside of the domain of a bunch of uppity ex-colonials for a century or two after its creation. French Revolution, however, changed the progression of European history, and indeed contributed largely to the foundation of Euro-democracies.
Constitution + Bill of Rights + Declaration of Rights of Man
are all basically the same thing, written/thought about by the same group of people and thinkers. There is a lot of crossover. In that regards, all three documents are the foundation of where the world finds itself today. However, the Constitution came first, by a few years, with the bill of rights being the twin of the Declaration of Rights being ratified just a few days before. I’m not trying to turn this into a nationalistic debate, (america vs europe) just trying to stress the importance of the IDEAS in the documents.
Nobody really gave that big a damn about America till the mid-1800s, and even that was damned peripheral stuff.
It only took us 60 years, by your count, to go from peripheral to holder of the world's reserve currency.
That’s gotta be a record.
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
Check your facts
Foreign holdings of US debt account for about 1/4 (and that’s rounding up) of the total US debt. http://www.polycapitalist.com/2011/09/graphic-who-holds-sovereign-debt-70-of.html
Of that 1/4, China, the largest foreign holder of US debt, holds only 1/4. So they hold 1/16th of US debt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
Total debt is ~100% of GDP. So they own about 1/16th of 1 year’s worth of US economic activity. If the U.S. was a guy making 64K a year, ‘he’ would own China 4 grand.
So rather than them owning half our country, it’s like they’re our credit card company. :)
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by Thor77 on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
own china = owe china sorry typo
I consider myself a softcore fan.
nicely said
But to provide other contexts, this same sort of language was used in the 80’s regarding Japan, they even had a bestseller and a movie made about it. But in the end, it didn’t work out that way. China is facing a major, major correction in many ways, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because with the phenomenon of global capitalism, we will suffer as well when their real estate market (and other markets) corrects, their socio-political problems erupt, and we all get to see what happens when a superpower gets an arrow to the knee again.
China’s single-minded focus on GDP growth, insanely huge cash reserves with bizarre investment rules and 5 year planning blocks are going to provide some remarkable economic volatility in the next 10-20 years.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
not to mention the complete disregard for their environment to ensure domestic manufacturing dominance.
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ school kids in Beijing draw the sky brown
instead of blue…
and cars alternate days driving based on last license plate number being odd or even
Also real estate bubble in China makes the US real estate bubble look like a plaything
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, I’m aware of what’s happening in Iraq.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
No
That would be the Magna Carta
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by MattParker117 on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I was considering the magna carta
and it is one of the most important because it does set into motion the seed of many later ideas found in the constitution, declaration of independence, bill of rights, and declaration of rights. It does not have quite the far ranging and discernible ties to the global condition right now though.
lets not forget Rousseau
Locke, and Hobbes as providing the groundwork and the concepts of the social contract and the groundwork for modern government. Wow, this is getting pretty far afield from the gun store issue, lol.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Further... let's get Hammurabi up in this piece
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 26, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
That attitude is probably one of the most sickening things I have ever read on here, and shows fundamental problems in our education system. FIRST, it was written over 200 years ago. SECOND, it was the document that has protected your sorry ass all your life. The erosion of our Constitutionally protected rights are why we are becoming a gross police state. Without the LAWS written within it, we are just another tin-pot dictatorship. The military doesn’t protect your rights, that document and the courts adherence to it does. I’m really not mad at you, but I most certainly pity your ignorance.
As far as the ban on these sponsors, that’s the UFC’s business, and as a private entity, they are allowed to hire, fire, ban or allow what they see fit. I don’t agree with this decision, but will definitely defend their right to do so. That’s part of freedom. If the government, on the other hand, had tried to impose in the UFC’s rights to have legal sponsors pay their fighters, then I would take issue, because that would be an imposition on their rights as a private business.
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by Mr. Socko on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
I’m Canadian, so yeah, your Constitution hasn’t protected my sorry ass… but whatever.
by Shnak on Jan 26, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
your canadian so seriously STFU because you really should have no input on the constitution of the United States of America
there no little asterisk saying and canada in there
Fair enough. And again, I didn’t mean to deprecate on the Constitution… all I meant to do was question the “right to bear arm” portion. But fair enough. I’ve done enough damage as it is.
What’s more important is that the constitution has absolutely zero relevance to the question regarding the ufc and fox limiting sponsors.
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That bastard!!!
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Really?
The center of the argument is that gun advertisers are not appropriate for corporate mainstream television, yet our Founding Fathers deemed guns, and the ability to own them, the SECOND most important addition to the US Constitution.
This is a gun issue.
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
You trolling ulf
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
only kind of. ;)
I always go to the extreme on gun issues.
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
Oh cool of that’s what we’re doing, then ban all the guns!!
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
nice
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
The second amendment doesn’t have much meaning anymore since the government has almost all the guns.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
...
Ahoy-hoy.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Still has nothing to do with the constitution. The constitution says what the government can and can’t do. The government has nothing to do with this, so the constitution has nothing to do with this.
He's coming from the same Constitutional Law class
that Sarah Palin attended. You know, where a host of a radio show loses her job, it’s a violation of the host’s first amendment rights.
by Pantherhare on Jan 26, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Why do you keep harping on the order of the Bill of Rights? The third amendment was the one against the forced quartering of soldiers in people’s houses — do you think that’s more important than the right against unreasonable search and seizure or right to a speedy trial?
by Pantherhare on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
it is fun?
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
right to bear arms is totally relevent today
a man buying a gun to protect his home in a dangerous neighberhood is not relevant at all right? no one does that ever of course
by benten20 on Jan 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I suppose. But we don’t have dangerous neighborhoods where I live, so I wouldn’t know. Why aren’t Americans nicer to each other?
youve gotta be kidding me with that comment.
i dont know how to answer that but i promise you there is crime in canada and plenty of people who own guns but after that comment your officially trolling
But I’m not. There were 9 murders in all of 2011 in my city of almost 250,000 people. And I don’t know a single person that has a gun in his house. I know a few with hunting riffles, sure, but no guns. I’ve never actually seen a gun in person.
Below: Totally not a gun.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 26, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that people non-felons should have the freedom to own guns for a sense of protection, but that’s not really what the second amendment was about.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
True
The FF definitely had in mind state militias, but they also could not have foreseen automatic weapons and the capacity for mass destruction becoming so readily available. One has to remember that at the time they wrote, the best guns took a long time to load and fire and only the wealthy would own them, and class structure was a lot different then as well (the middle class was tiny in comparison). I seriously doubt that any of those guys would have wanted to see poor people or non whites or women owning guns. Remember we’re talking about slave owners and upper class early capitalist males.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
It was also because the founding fathers didn't want a standing army
Or at least that is what I was taught in school. Could be bullshit though
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
You’re being ridiculous Ben. I didn’t say it want relevant in the modern us. I said it wasn’t relevant to this discussion. And it’s not.
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by Chris Hall on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i know its not im annoyed at shnak
The Constitution is a piece of paper written hundreds of years ago. Get over it.
and thats why
Like I said, I’m sorry about that, horrible wording. I only meant to say that not everything in the Constitution applies today.
it still applies just not in the same amount of application
people still need guns in certain places and i will buy a gun to be honest when i have my own family
That is what you said. Don’t apologize just because people don’t like it. That’s not what America should be about.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Shnak, more importantly
Taking out the vitriol and angry defensiveness of benten20, the Canadian constitutions of 18whatever (british in origin) and 1982 both used the US constitution as a model. Without the US constitution, Canada would not be politically and socially structured as it is. Most of the world would not be either. The freedoms, rights, and democratic process, as troubled as it may be, that is found around the globe, is due in large part to the US constitution.
I understand all that, and do not question any of that. I was only replying to the “right to bear arms” which someone said was a good reason to allow “The Gun Store” to sponsors in the UFC. That’s all.
i actually agree with you about that as being a straw man reason for allowing gun sponsors
however i dont agree with you saying this
The Constitution is a piece of paper written hundreds of years ago. Get over it.
na but i get defensive over stuff like that
mostly because as a jew being able to practice my religion freely here because of the my constitutional rights while others cant walk around without fear of attack….ya you get my point
Haha. You’d see this post go from 80-something comments to about 500 in 5 minutes, and then everyone would get banned. Yeha, that’s okay. I prefer to talk about MMA (and Constitution as of today apparently).
damn your logic
I will turn off the troll button…
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LOL at someone from a free democracy in the Western Hemisphere
who thinks that they don’t owe their happy little lifestyle to the big bad United States. If it wasn’t for us, you’d be enjoying M-1 events in your native Russian.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That’s true, but it certainly isn’t because the Constitution says anything about the right to bear arms, which is the only thing I’m talking about here.
The Constitution is a piece of paper written hundreds of years ago. Get over it.
ya because that wont bother any americans right?
I honestly didn’t think it would. The Constitution is obviously a million time more engrained in Americans than anything we have here in Canada. There’s literally nothing you could say about Canada that would piss me off, or even mildly annoy me.
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by MemphisMike on Jan 26, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hear
all your heads flap when you talk.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Your own governement has been disregarding your own constitution for years now.
They view it as an old piece of paper. Why can’t you all?
Sheeeeeeeee-it
that is sadly true
but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t care.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Agreed
If this keeps going we might need to revolt. Our country is already becoming a police state with the passing of the NDAA
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
The real questions here:
What are all these bears going to do… running around with no arms, all because you Americans feel you have special rights.
I would say we owe it to sugar
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French homeboys did help us out
We paid them back later though.
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
But it has a treasure map hidden on the reverse side!
seriously, if this is the level of discourse you’re bringing, shut it.
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Alright, relax everyone. I honestly didn’t think I’d cause everyone to go berzerk with this comment. I only meant that stuff that applied over 200 years ago probably doesn’t apply today. But whatever.
ahahah
“I had no idea that dismissing the founding principles of your nation as irrelevant would be offensive!”
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
As a fellow Canadian, I recommend avoiding taking shots at the US Constitution
when in a room full of Americans. It tends to be a tender subject. Even if you have valid points, it’s just not worth it.
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thats the second
very stupid thing you’ve said on this thread that has contributed in no way to the conversation.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
this was your first
I just wish the UFC would increase everyone’s pay and then forbit anyone from having sponsors. I’m tired of everyone complaining about the UFC banning sponsors and what not.
so because you’re tired of reading about this issue, you think that the company should just restructure its entire business model to relieve you of the inconvenience? GTFO
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
What’s so stupid about that comment? You don’t see individual sponsors in hockey, basketball, football, etc, etc. The league has sponsors, and they pay their players accordingly. The UFC should do the exact same thing.
at the risk of feeding what seems like a mild troll
Here is why your comment was stupid and not contributing:
1: You frame it as “I’m tired of everyone complaining”: Okay, everyone complaining is referring to a very, very small percentage of some of the hardest-core fans of MMA. Furthermore, you position it as being not an issue for all of us in the community, but yourself. There’s an easy solution to this: stay off like 2 blogs and a twitter feed or three and you’re good.
2: You are ignoring all kinds of other sports that do operate their sponsorship models in this way, and that also have had many conversations about which sponsorships are appropriate. For examples: Boxing, the model of which is one the UFC looked at a lot, as they are both combat sports of a type. Also, the NFL won’t be a good example, because if you are old enough and paid attention enough, their was a huge hubbub around alcohol sponsors and how the NFL would deal with them a few years back. Well, more than a few, but still, not that far back. Nascar is a similar model and there have been indeed many conversations and rules regarding sponsorship. I loathe the sport and consider it a huge pollutant so I won’t go find you examples there.
3: The solution you propose to relieve you of your irritation is that they completely overhaul and revamp their business model so that you, Shnak, don’t have to read about it anymore. I think this point is obvious, but I think that saying this is of course, hardly a realistic proposal. Do you think it likely or even remotely f*cking possible? So to return to my point:
GTFO with your mild Canadian trolling.
Oh and WTF with “Derrr, I didn’t think bashing the constitution of the US would bother my famously nationalistic neighbors to the south derrrrrr.” GTFO with that too. Come on man, own up. You are a guy who is probably pretty nice but is indeed having a troll. Consider this your having been fed. GTFO
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Athletes in hockey, basketball, football has no sponsors?
That’s why Lebron is in Nike commercials right?
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
You fadin' the Constitution?
SLAP YOSELF!
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 26, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome comment
I have to rec you for successfully trolling the entire White American Male Libertarian population of BE.
Next you should make fun of the gold standard and Ayn Rand.
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 26, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a bit of a straw man
The UFC’s rules over sponsorship content are completely divorced from one’s right to own and bear arms. Constitution says nothing about advertising deals in the commercial sector.
I don't know a thing about NASCAR...
BUT if I was the UFC or a combat sport managment company I would be very intune to how they secure and retain such great sponsors… there has to be something that can be learned and applied from how NASCAR teams conduct sponsorship and marketing business…
But once again until UFC is on regularly like other sports and covered heavily by mainstream news outlets this is going to be an uphill climb…
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Does anyone remember the ktfo incident a few years back?
The idea that Zuffa can impose sponsorship rules is not new. It’s completely in their rights to do so.
You don’t think NASCAR has veto power over what sponsors can be allowed on their cars?
I don’t see where the controversy is here, outside of people who support the gun industry and are pissed that their hobby is considered non grata by the UFC.
by CstBoog on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Shitty clothing company ktfo (standing for, obviously, knocked the fuck out) started sponsoring a bunch of UFC fighters.
The UFC shortly thereafter, said “woah woah woah, I don’t think we want a company with ‘fuck’ in their name sponsoring fighters on our PPV” (the irony was lost on Dana at the time, I guess) and banned the company as a sponsor.
The company then changed the meaning of the acronym to “knock that fool out”, and the next PPV was fully sponsored by ktfo, complete with Goldberg saying “brought to you by ktfo, knock that fool out!”. It was hilarious and awkward.
In the meantime, the owner of the company was feuding hard with everyone on the UG, including leaving hilarious awkward voicemails on yves Edwards phone, and sponsor cheques to Mayham Miller bouncing and him forging a Bank of America letter to make up and excuse for it.
by CstBoog on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes they use this power for good
Like with Hoelzer Reich
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The best thing about the sport becoming more popular with a wider audience is the chance to get more mainstream (ie: richer) sponsors
I don’t want anybody fighting for fucking TIRES.
We’re years away from seeing “Apple: Think Differently” on some dude’s fight shorts, but it’s gonna be sweet as hell when it happens.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions
I personally would go out and get every other weapon sponsorship…knives, tasers, yard of beef, etc.
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
the ban covers all weapons/ammo/knives
although maybe Wusthof? that’s cooking supplies.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
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by menckenstein on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Having talked to Spencer Fisher personally...
He was sponsored by the Gun Store back in 2009-10. I know he may not be the greatest example, because he seems to have his finances in order. However, they didn’t send him cash for payment.
They sent him a .50 caliber sniper rifle.
Don’t get me wrong, that is pretty sweet. However…Nate is relaying a story of necessity, not of excess. Could you turn around and sell that gun? Yeah, after quite a process. I don’t know the details if he chose to be paid in “guns” or could have had cash instead.
Also, begs the question; What other sponsors chose not to sell their brand to the fighters because they are anti-gun? I’m sure there will be a few jokes about being sponsored by the Church or whatever…but it’s a serious consideration. It’s entirely possible a sponsor could come in, paying better and more often because the Gun Store is gone.
Fox was able to strong arm the UFC...
Fox said they wouldn’t allow gun sponsors. The UFC made it easy to protect themselves and banned them. It’s a decision the UFC is fully allowed to make, and for the first time in a while…Dana White and the UFC isn’t the biggest dog in the yard.
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the revelation that sponsors are paying in trade rather than currency is disgusting
Barter is cool and all, but the grocery store only takes cash, checks, and credit cards.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
if you need new tires for your car or a new sniper rifle, why wouldn’t you take the tires instead of cash for the tires?
irrelevant
and if you don’t need new tires, Toyo just says ‘tough titty’?
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
The fighter has the ability to say no to the sponsor
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
behind door #1 – tires you don’t need
behind door #2 – jack shit
wow, that’s a truly great choice.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
or door numbered 3 through 100, other sponsors that will pay cash.
I have no idea why people get so upset at financial arrangements that adults determine are ok for themselves.
you are making all kinds of crazy, unsupportable assumptions
who said he has all these other sponsors lined up? nobody. In fact, the problem is a shortage of sponsors to the point that they don’t even feel the need to spend money, these guys are taking whatever’s on offer in goods instead of legal tender.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You are the one making crazy unsupportable assumptions. Quarry needed tires, he got tires. You are assuming that they didn’t offer him cash.
What shortage of sponsors, everyone cries about this all the time, yet everyone has their shorts filled. If you don’t need tires and someone says, wear my patch and I’ll give you tires, why on earth would you take the tires if you don’t need or want them? no one forced him to take the tires.
People, companies, etc exchange goods and services that aren’t straight cash homey all the time.
"everyone has their shorts filled."
by the same dozen or so companies. You noticed that, right?
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Right up there with the decision to become a professional fighter.
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no... they say "Afucka yu Quarry son"
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by RECE ROCK on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon san
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 26, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I want to know...
Who “needs” a new sniper rifle.
Because if you’ve completely worn out your old sniper rifle, and you just can’t feed your family with it anymore?
Never mind. I’ve suddenly discovered a very good reason why I no longer have any interest in knowing the name of a person who needs a new sniper rifle.
Carry on, nothing to see here…
Again, I don’t know if he could have “cashed out” the gun or not. Maybe he worked out a deal, it’s hard to tell. I just know that Spencer isn’t too hard off for cash and may have went that route.
could have taken it to the guys that do pawn stars... get on tv, get a cash for the gun...maybe get another sponsor... win.
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He could have sold it for between $3k and $10k depending upon model
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Family/7/3/Big-50-Caliber-Guns.htm
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson
minus all the time, effort and fucking hassle and who says he'll be able to get what it's worth?
meanwhile, the gun store sells guns and has everything set up to handle that business from the get-go.
CASH ONLY, PLEASE.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Did you ever fire a Barrett?
Better than cash
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by Ulf Murphy on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Owning that gun is itself an expense
If you ever want to shoot it. .50 cal rounds are pricey.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
It would make sense that they offered him either cash or more value in product.
The retail price of the product is marked up significantly from the actual cost a company pays, so, hypothetically, if the retail price of a rifle is 50% mark-up and the gun sells for $3k, it’s the same cost to the company if they offer $1500 cash or the $3000 gun.
If you need cash, take the cash, but I presume he wanted a new rifle. Makes sense for everyone involved.
That was an odd comment.
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Pawn Stars only take guns from a certain year (1890 or something like that) and anytime before that year. They don’t take any modern guns.
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by chrisbboy82 on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I've always liked Quarry, and he reinforces my problem with the weapons sponsors decision
I absolutely get why the UFC would want to ban weapon sponsors. It makes sense, and it is probably a pretty important step in the evolution and maturation of the sport. It may even pay indirect dividends to fighters at some later date, as more mainline sponsors start to view MMA sponsorships as viable.
But for now, every time the UFC takes another sponsor off the table (something they’ve done multiple times, for reasons far less sensible than the weapons sponsor ban) they harm fighters who really don’t have any choice in the matter. Fewer sponsors means less competition, means lower sponsorship dollars, means less money for fighters who are already financially strapped.
If you’re going to be the Alpha and Omega of MMA, as the UFC has become, and if you’re going to stifle real competition, as the UFC certainly has done, then you have a responsibility to recompense fighters when you take money out of their pockets, since they are still the engine that makes you go.
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I get your point,
But remember the long game here. Would you rather be sponsored by the gun store or Nike? Seriously, pulll back a bit and get some perspective, or context. I agree it would be nice to have a smooth transition from one stage to the next, but that’s not realistic.
To be clear, I applaud your concern for the actual fighters. it’s why I love this community and its contributors, there’s a lot of smarts in here for an MMA site.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Let the UFC take care of all sponsorships
I say let the UFC take care of all sponserships. I have a feeling they are in a better position to arrange them than managers. Then put ALL sponsership money for an event (including sponsers like Budlight, video games, movies, etc which currently all goes to the UFC) into a pool for the fighers/UFC to split. Say UFC gets 50% and fighters split the other 50%. The fighers breakdown could be something like main/co-main event share 50% of the fighter pool (so 25% each of the pool), the next 3 fighters on the main event share th next 25% of the pool, and the prelime fighters share the last 25% of the pool.
So if there were 11 fights on the card and total sponserships were 1,000,000, main and co-main event fighters get 62.5k each, other main card guys get 20.8k, and prelim fighers get 10.4k in sponsership money.
All the %s I’ve stated are completely arbitrary of course. Maybe give the fighters a bigger piece than the UFC? Maybe change the distribution between fighters? But I think as they grow and more restrictions are put on sponsors something similar is the way to go.
Yeah
I think such and agreement would require a CBA, which would require a union, and as Luke and Nate have gone over, that’s not likely in the near future.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
Why should the fights get an even split?
That is a completely stupid idea. Why should Jon Jones get the same amount of sponsorship money as Nik Lentz?
by discoandherpes on Jan 26, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
No comedic references to condomdepot.com?
by JAYGK95 on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
maybe fox supports safe sex. as well as the majority of be?
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by Machiel Van on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Reading what Quarry wrote...
How many people today are willing to make those kind of sacrifices? Very few. That’s why so many people are bums sitting around on the couch collecting welfare/food stamps/whatever, smoking pot and playing Xbox and never amount to jack shit. Quarry just explained the attitude which used to prevail but has pretty much died out.
No, you're not drunk. I am this good-looking.
to take this in a pretty different direction...
Most people aren’t lucky enough to have the chance to ever find something that they love so much. I know plenty of really hard-working people who just never connected to their passion. I myself am kind of crazy, but I aged out of my first love and now I am just flailing around looking for something to match my earlier object for my passion and drive. It’s weird not having the very simple life of knowing exactly who you are and why you are here on this earth. Having had it at one time and now being without it, I have a good perspective on the difference. (It wasn’t MMA, and I wasn’t extremely successful, I just had the goal and the drive and direction.) So many people just go through life without ever getting to experience what it feels like to know what they are on this earth to do.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
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