FPT Presents: Banned Substances for Dummies (From a Dummie)..... in Only 10 Minutes!
Hey everybody. Mo Lawal's positive test and various explanations have caused quite a stir around here, which is pretty normal for these types of stories. I'm personally neutral on the question of whether steroids and other supplements should be allowed. What I'm not cool with is the use of these substances while they are still prohibited. What I'm even less cool with is the following kind of pandering excuse-making that some people try to peddle:
"How is it that a company can go around destroying peoples reputation and get away with it? because people like you who want to hate the player, instead of blaming the people that made the drug and disguised it… how many other fighters have used this and got screwed over? And they might not even know how they tested positive. What else is out there like this"
Wow, so many good questions in there. If only something (like the Internet) existed. If only an easily-accessible database of all sorts of information (like the Internet I'm using right now) was available to all of these vulnerable fighters.
I know what you're thinking, that while it sounds good to say that people should just google anything questionable and then they'll be fine, the reality is way more complicated or confusing.
I say bullshit. And I'll prove that not only is at as easy as I claim, it can be done by a completely ignorant nobody who doesn't know dick about steroids. Check out my results after the jump.
So here's my experiment: Using only the name of the substance involved (S-Mass) and Google, can I find enough supporting documentation to arrive at one of the following conclusions in 10 minutes or less:
1. This stuff may be sketchy. Not only should I not take it, I need someone a lot smarter than me to look into this and see if my suspicions are correct.
2. This stuff is legit. I can take it and will pass all piss tests required. Back to training!
Disclaimer: Not only do I know jackshit about steroids, I know very little about science. Don't come at me with stuff about how my hypothesis is flawed, the scientific method wasn't followed or there was no rigor. I don't care. This is a fanpost, not a submission to Scientific American. If you can do it better, do it better.
HERE.......WE..........GO!
9:33 AM: Type "S-Mass" into Google, first 4 results are about chemistry and whatever, followed by the product page f for the substance in question from the good people at Steel Body Productions:
https://sites.google.com/site/steelbodysupplements/products/s-mass
I take a moment to appreciate everything awful about this page and this product (there's a lot) and then I notice the offer to "Click Here for Supplement Facts" Don't mind if I do! Here's what's listed:
Supplement Facts: Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Serving Per: 60
Amount Per Serving
4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-a-andro4-ene3, 17b-diol 25mg*
2a-17a-Dimethyl-5aandrost-3-one
17b-ol 10mg*
Other Ingerdients:
Gelatin, Silica, Magnesium Stearate
This is all gibberish to me. It might as well say 4 parts flimbab with a technocolor whizz-crank. No comprehension whatsoever. But one thing I do know is how to google. So I start with "4-Chlro-17a-Methyl-a-andro4-ene3". WHAT SAY YOU GOOGLE?!?
9:35 AM: Google comes back with the following result (the first is actually a cage potato post related to the Lawal story, so I ignore it. Are you happy now, scientists?)
Here's the FIRST thing listed at the top of the page:
| I have a question about 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3, 17b-diol |
| Can you explain,briefly,how this compound works in our body?Is it actually an androgen precurser,or is it a precurser to androgen precursers (make sense?).What will it ultimately be converted to? Another plus,but not crucial.Is it converted by our liver? Clarification questions welcome and will be answered immediately. I'm well aware that the FDA has just banned it,but the remaining stock is still legal for sale.Information on doping control tests (test positive?) and half life of the metabolites would be a plus:) |
Asked by BrainBuilder_is_gone 57 months ago
Similar questions: question 4 chloro 17a methyl andro 4 ene 3 17b diol
Did you catch that? Five years ago, someone mentioned that the FDA banned the first ingredient listed in S-Mass. Taking an additional 30 seconds to scan the rest of the comments, another poster voices the possibility that it may show up in doping tests and that users should be careful.
So that's it. Not 10 minutes, 2. And not from a fighter, or a trainer, or a nutritionist, just some jackass with a computer.
So in the future I would like to see these "professionals" held to a minimal standard of accountability for the substances they put in their bodies.
For at least 2 minutes, that is.
UPDATE: Before closing the tab for S-Mass, I noticed the following disclaimer (in red text against a black background. Ugh.)
S-Mass is only recommended for the experienced designer anabolic consumer. Before using a suppressive powerful anabolic please conduct all the necessary research that comes with using a designer anabolic of this nature.
While I feel a swell of pride knowing that I fulfilled the wishes of the captains of industry over at Steel Body Productions, this just makes Lawal's excuses all the more infuriating. How exactly can an Olympic-level athlete be either that lax in scrutinizing everything that goes into his system or that contemptuous of the basic logic of athletic commissions and journalists' ability to recognize such a poor excuse and scuttle it like a European cruise ship (too soon?). Actually, his contempt for AC's and much of journalism is well placed. What he obviously wasn't counting was the FPT factor. No one does, until they get a 1,000-word drop kick administered right to the solar plexus.
Thanks Google!
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wow, this is unsettling.....
but i am so not surprised that any person w/ the ego/arrogance that Mo seems possess would make excuses and pass the buck while still trying to maintain his cred.
it is real easy to hate the player when they don’t know the f’n rules to the game that they themselves play.
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The galling thing is how easy it is to check.
I work in healthcare, in CA, so there are all sorts of regulations we’re required to work under. Some of them I keep very up-to-date on but for most I rely on our vendors to attest that their products fall within mandated guidelines. If they can’t confirm, we have a problem. If they can, I request a hard copy document stating as much and go on with my day. Not rocket science, not excessively difficult.
To expect athletes to do something similar doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. Just ask and demand documentation. That is, of course, unless you really don’t want to know.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s it isn’t it. it seems like he feels he shouldn’t have to check and see if something is wrong or potentially damaging w/ the product he purchased. i’m sorry, but unless Mo is living under a rock he has to be some what aware that a lot of shit from these GNC type stores get put on and taken of the shelf either w/ out FDA approval or because of FDA testing and regulations after the fact (respectively)
i work as a tattoo artist and when you go to conventions you are responsible for following the health & safety regulations, not the people who run the convention.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Is Mo related to the person that sued McDonald's for making them fat?
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by menckenstein on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
FPT needs a job writing here.
Just, fuck’s sake, people, full snark ahead. Don’t hold him back. Let the haterade flow.
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by Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Greatly appreciate the feedback but I don't think I have what it takes to be full-time.
I’ll leave that to the professionals and stick to the occasional Fanpost about Coleman’s Battle Banana. It’s better for everyone involved.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
THEY HIRED SUBO
SUBO
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND
SUBO
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by Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
No one has ever hired Subo. He’s never worked here.
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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He just kind of shows up
Then everyone ignores him until he finishes collecting cans from the garbage and leaves.
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by menckenstein on Jan 24, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fixed.
No one has ever hired Subo. He’s never workedhere.
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by pdl on Jan 25, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey man,
SOMEONE has to make sure all the dog food is in the right place at PetCo!!
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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
bravo
fucking bravo, sir
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
I'm down with FPT, yeah you know me.
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by menckenstein on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
mmm a Naughty by Nature reference.
And good job on the article FPT, ’twas pretty entertaining.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Outstanding work
Also, is that the third time someone has been busted for taking supplements they got at Max Muscle?
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dang it what’s the sarcasm font? bah, i’ll just use Italics.
Obviously the part of the brain that allows normal people to use google is connected to the same part that says getting punched in the head for a living is a bad idea. Quick we need a scientific study to make sure that fighters are being affected by this genetic abnormality.
Rec'd, also this gives me a chance to restate my conspiracy theory
that Mo and his handlers worked backwards from the positive test to try to find an over-the-counter supplement that he plausibly could have taken, that plausibly could have resulted in pissing hot.
I think he knowingly took roids, and went into spin mode when he got caught.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
easily plausible
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Going one step further
He could’ve bought the stuff from Max Muscle without ever intending to take it, only so he could use it for spinning purposes if/when he got busted.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really think so. They gave the name of this supplement before they pinned the blame on it. I don’t think they’re smart enough to think that far in advance.
This was in the list of supplements he gave to gross for an article that was published on Sunday.
That’s a lot of pre-planning to put the drug on a list one day and then release the info that it’s the “tainted” supplement to a different media outlet later.
Agreed
I’ve seen very little to suggest that Mike Kogan is a smart guy.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 24, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
It all happened after the bad test though, correct?
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to do a little research into supplements that might have a checkered history.
My theory might be off, but I don’t think it’s really all that implausible.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think of this in the slightest
If you were going to take the stance of “I’m not a cheater” but you really are you should at least be smart about it. Figure out what you’re going to use that’s banned. Find a supplement that could cause you to piss hot that’s readily available (or was). Buy it and keep it until the inevitable happens. When it does, do what Mo has done and you can continue to proclaim you’re not a cheater, just “unlucky”.
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Great work FPT
great work…
At predicting, he is at a K-1 level, Joe.....
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I simply Googled "WADA banned substances"
and found this online list on the WADA website. The second ingredient is listed word for word.
by MMArmy on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well look at that!
It’s like 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except it’s a competition to see how quickly and easily you can find information on stuff that can potentially ruin your athletic career.
Maybe we should send Mo a copy?
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jan 24, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Well done sir. You are now smarter than half the fighters in MMA apparently

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You know, the last time I looked in GNC most of the stuff for muscle gaining had similar “warnings” and whatnot on them.
I assumed none of those supplemants worked, and that whatever outlandish nonsense they said on the labels was just that- nonsense designed to make an ignorant consumer think he’s getting a product that will be just as good as steroids, but legal. The catch being that the supplemants are basically sugar and whey or some other nonsense.
Before this Mo thing, I would never have believed the labels that are found on the supplement in question. I would have dismissed them as lies trying to get me to believe the supplemant works as (or better than) advertised.
Of course, I would never buy such a supplement, cause I don’t think they work (or have enough benefit to justify the expense). And if my friend bought it, I would laugh at him for thinking it had special anabolic properties because of some hyperbole written on the label. So this Mo thing really threw me for a loop… intrinsic cynicism was one of my core beliefs regarding supplements. I figure most of those supplemant companies to be the equivalent of 19th century snake oil salesmen.
Having said all that… Mo’s an idiot. He’s paid to make sure he pisses clean among other things. Even a cursory look into this supplemant should have raised red flags and told Mo not to take it.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jan 24, 2012 6:19 PM EST reply actions
Most of that stuff is garbage
GNC doesn’t really carry anything that powerful.
There are, however, places that sell what are essentially legal steroids. Not even prohormones. I mean legitimate steroids that have been slightly altered to be legal.
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I should clarify
There are steroids that were never approved for therapeutic use by the FDA and therefore were considered ‘steroids’ by the government so they technically were not banned or made illegal when the ban against steroids came in the 90’s.
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mind = blown
its like you just told me the X-10 weed knock off sold in bodegas is better than the Sour I get. Not a perfect analogy but I think you know what I mean.
I literally thought the difference between illegal steroids and legal supplements is that the steroids did what the supplements were advertised to do.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Chemistry is a bitch
Its like the ‘bath salts’.
There are ‘bath salts’ out there that will make you trip harder than any acid or shroom you’ve ever heard of. Others mimic ecstasy or speed. And there’s every thing in between.
Technically, the are perfectly legal because they are research chemicals that haven’t been made illegal. Many of them have never even been seen by law enforcement much less outlawed by congress.
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by IRodC on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The one Mo took
actually has two different steroids in it.
One is a Superdrol clone, the other is a Halodrol clone.
That’s a helluva stack and its really harsh on your liver.
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The '17a'
means that the compound survives the first pass through the liver and intestines without breaking down, meaning it is orally active.
The ‘methyl androst’ describes a chemical change to a steroid molecule.
Basically, the label reads as “anabolic steroid, altered to be orally active”.
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But the '4-Chloro' part means that everything in this is totally cool for use, right?
At least, for “rehab stuff” I would imagine.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its good stuff
Superdrol clone. I just bought some myself(a different one). I’ll tell you how it goes.
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interesting
Do you have any vids of you working out, pumping iron? You routinely have insightful, knowledgeable commentary per workout regimens, supplements, and nutrition. How deep do you go with this endeavor?
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So, anybody with a brain can tell that this stuff Barry Bonds approved. Mo made the commissions job very easy. Suspension upheld.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions
recd for the 1000 word drop kick to the solar plexus.
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All Mo’s team has done here was google search for a scapegoat substance that he never took but that they could blame his obvious roid fuck-up on.
Remember 2 weeks ago when Mo’s team claimed they had “no idea” what could have happened…yet they don’t want the B sample tested? (even though there’s no downside and a very possible upsdie).
Then it takes them all this time to even consider it could be supplements (normally the first standard go-to excuse)
And now instead of anybody just calling BULLSHIT on the excuse altogether, everyone wants to debate back and forth about supplement labelling.
NOW Mo isn’t guilty of the obvious roids he was injecting into his body, he’s only guilty of the lesser public charge of not doing enough research on these supposed supplements he took?
Look at all the ridiculous debate about supplements.
How does anybody believe that the supplements are the cause?
Beautifully executed distraction tactic that will probably get Mo a reduced suspension.
What a joke.
But....
that would mean that bums like Cyborg or Mo
would have to NOT USE IT LOL
It’s no fun cheating
if you’re held accountable
You need to be able to read to use Google.
by sexysassytravismmafan on Jan 27, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions

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