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First Day of Training At Marcelo Garcia's Gym: Analysis

So first things first i suppose. MMA grappling and pure Bjj are so very very different. I tried jumping right into a Fundementals level 2 class and felt like i was wasting the instructors time. However the instructors there are EXTREMELY helpful and willing to teach. It also happens to be that the guy i was rolling with happened to be someone who was on the same level as me. So being the two novices we were separated and we were taught how to properly apply an armbar from mount and an americana as well. For more details see after the jump but overall, the experience was amazing and am looking forward to somehow scraping enough money to get a monthly membership.

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Well ill jump right into the analysis then. First I'll start with the Armbar- the position was that I was in mount on my sparring partner and he was pushing both hands into my chest to as if to push away. In this example, I will be using the Armbar on his right arm. So while he pushes on my chest, I create almost a circle around his left arm with my arms and body. I placed both of my hands over the center of his chest (almost a CPR position) with my left arm over his and my right arm under. I posted my right foot to the side of his head while simultaneously shifting my left knee next to his ear. in this position my hips were perpendicular to his body as well. I then leaned forward over his body for balance in order to place my left leg over his face/neck area while holding his wrist with my thumbs pointed up at the ceiling. At this point, I fall back on my butt and apply pressure to get the tap.

The other submission I learned was an Americana shoulder-lock from mount. The position begins with me in mount on my sparring partner and he is protecting his arms by locking them up to his face (or in MMA terms, blocking as best as one could when you have a shitty ground game). I was pointed out what not to do first which would be to pull the arm towards me because the natural reaction of the opponent would be to pull back. Instead, I was taught to grab hold of the wrist, in this example the left one, with my right hand and with my left hand, I gripped his arm up towards his left elbow. Then I straightened up my arms and leaned with all my weight down on the arm forcing it to the mat. I then dropped my right elbow next to his ear while still gripping his arm with both hands. After I have this control I snake my left hand under his arm to lock up the submission. However instead of lifting off the ground, I was told its easier and smarter to just move it downward and that would be more then enough to elicit a tap from most opponents.

After this the instructor told us to go talk to the woman at the desk who turned out to be incredibly helpful (as well as a black belt with 11 years of experience). I also had the privilege to once again meet Marcelo as he came over to introduce himself to me which surprised me, to be honest, that he took the time to do that. I'm really looking forward to going back tomorrow to continue training and hopefully somehow scrape enough money together to pay for it. Everyone there is friendly and helpful and I would love to be a part of it. The thought of training every week in that school really is awesome and I recommend that school to everyone and anyone. Until tomorrow then, enjoy the article.

P.S. I hope I did a good job describing the techniques I learned.

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That’s awesome. Keep it up, it’s a pretty sweet privilege to get to learn from some of the most knowledgable and talented instructors in the world.

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by T.C. Engel on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

Nice

Sounds like an amazing experience. If you don’t mind me asking how much is it a month? (Just trying to get an estimate for when I start training)

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks

I figured it would be like that for a legit MMA gym not just a local gym.. I appreciate all the info keep it coming

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I realize that

I just know that’s a pretty legit gym and it probably wouldn’t be to much different than a gym in NC.(Sorry for the confusion)

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh I will

Like I said in your other thread my goal in life is to open a gym in my hometown. So hopefully I will get that opportunity

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 9:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i wish you luck in your future endeavors my friend.

and hey, if i ever amount to anything in BJJ and you open a gym, ill stop by to help out some.

by benten20 on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks man

That sounds like a plan man

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Marcelo charges more than average. Most gyms will be in the $100 a month range.

However, since it is Manhattan and Marcelo is Marcelo Garcia, along with the excellent facilities and additional instructors, the price there goes up.

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by Ben Thapa on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was you

I would continue where I was for as long as I could afford it…

Right now it sounds like you’re in great hands and he seems pretty friendly since he came up to you more than once

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

By reputation

Marcelo is the nicest guy in the world.

Totally agree with Rscott94, I’d scrimp and claw my way into staying at his gym for as long as I possibly could, if I were living in the City.

However, there are many other brilliant options that may be more affordable if you really can’t make the MG fees every month. Look at Alliance, Lotus, Renzo’s, Shaolin’s and so on. There’s so many great teachers and competitors in NYC that it’s almost San Diego or Los Angeles-like at this point.

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by Ben Thapa on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I train at Alliance...

And the prices aren’t much lower… Worth it, just sayin’

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by J_R_W on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

That is really cool that he posts prices there, especially when they’re that high (very worth it, I imagine). Very few gyms do that, and it’s annoying.

by beeran on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

the diaz bros gym is only asking $155/mo, but of course its all on what is available around you. There was a damn lions den that was supposed to open here and it never did they have the age and rings and everything else all setup but it never opened. I was pretty pissed.

by mikeI981j on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn I wish I lived in Stockton I’d be more than happy to pay that to train there… Problem is I live in a small town in NC where the closest MMA gym is about 3-4 hours away

by rscott94 on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They left phil torres mma in stockton and opened up their school in lodi, I wish it was stockton it would be about an hour closer to me.

by mikeI981j on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you should be able to pull a tap with the Americana without ever lifting up on the opponents elbow.

You can use it as a last resort though if you’re rolling with gumby. It’s more about the wrists being “rolled” over the grips so it feels (to the opponent) like his whole shoulder and arm is going to explode.

by Brandon Starr on Jan 23, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

I registered at Mginaction with a promotion and it came with one week free at the academy. I can’t wait to go train there, hopefully this spring. If only I can find a cheap place to stay in NYC…

by DrTopo on Jan 23, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

no but I read that there are cheap hotels in New Jersey or Brooklyn. If you have any suggestion, go ahead. I looked at youth hostels but they’re pretty expensive. Plus, I’ll be going with my girlfriend who will be checking out the museums so I’d rather have a room.

by DrTopo on Jan 23, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You seem to be paying attention to the details quite well.

Its going to serve you well in the future. Im a blue belt under Nova Uniao and i still pick up small details about the basics that i could do different or try to see if that works better for me or not. keep it up. Never assume you know something someone is showing you, and try to see more detail then you did before.

Roll slow and try to be able to talk or speak through the roll. It helps you to comunicate with your partner and to learn. Tapping is learning. learn as much as you can.

by Beren on Jan 23, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

i didnt really have the patience to transcribe everything i was told to be honest but thank you

how long have you been training for? and i try and listen and learn everything i can, even just watching the higher level guys roll.

by benten20 on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Iv been training for 2.5 years (including 5 months of being injured, torn costal cartlidge and partial torn MCL). BJJ goes through pits and peaks, you will learn heaps and then find you are getting tapped in the same spot alot or stuck in a position. its all apart of learning.

try to find someone who is a belt above you with a simlar build to you and watch how they move, the subs they go for and some of the sweeps they use. It helps at the start to get an idea of which direction to go. After a while try to roll your mirror a lot.

by Beren on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

First two things I learned, too

I never worked to armbar again. The kimura/keylock, on the other hand, is the only submission I truly understand and can use consistently with a good chance of success from the top.

It came kinda easy to me, so I practiced it about 1000 times from a lot of different positions. Now I can get it and defend it pretty well. Probably the only joint lock I would feel confident with in a real fight.

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by TheFilt on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 AM EST reply actions  

You're a lucky man BTW

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by TheFilt on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 AM EST reply actions  

I’m a little jealous. Finding a great high-level teacher with a gym that respectfully accommodates relative newcomers makes all the difference in the world.

by theslynx on Jan 24, 2012 5:36 AM EST reply actions  

Do they have any kind of curriculum? Is each class basically, were working on a couple random moves today and side control, then something completely different the next class? Or is planned out more?

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by Kefka on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

I dont know about MG but.

in general most places have a about a 6 month rotation of the basics that repeat with different setups or combinations they show each time through.

by Beren on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Most places I have been to have not, MA schools are so backward when it comes to training.

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by Kefka on Jan 25, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm probably kinda late

But this was a great read. It can be really difficult to write out a chain of detailed actions in grappling technique and you did well.

Keep these coming.

by Dallas Winston on Jan 26, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

thanks dallas i appreciate that i was going to make it a small thing after every session

but i learned alot more the second and third sessions then on this one so i didnt really have the time maybe ill try and do one here and there if im able to continue training.

by benten20 on Jan 27, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep a journal of these techniques. Don’t focus so much on who you rolled with and the exact nature of the rolls. Pay attention more to general trends and the specific techniques taught.

I keep one over at InStrength, but that’s me. You can do your journal however you want – pen/paper, Word doc etc.

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by Ben Thapa on Jan 27, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely recommend a journal

The fact is that BJJ has a lot of things that you can focus on. There are many different ways of learning but rehearsing technique by writing it down and keeping it fresh in your mind is a very good way to improve.

I also thoroughly recommend doing things like-

1. hip escapes (double leg and single leg)
2. the bridge and roll (or oompa)
3. any type of exercise that increases your core strength and your back strength
4. Trying to keep your elbows close to your body or close to your knees where needed.
5. A focus on getting grips and keeping good grips. It’s like a little mini-game that occurs before getting position and submission, but it’s very important.

I’m only a white belt, but these five things have made me a lot better in the past 3 months. If you see it the same way I do… you just get amazed by how complex and beautiful the art is.

by Ant0r on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

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