UFC On FX: Miller Vs. Guillard And The UFC Lightweight Title Picture
What a difference 6 months can make. For Jim Miller and Melvin Guillard, the last 6 months have been a time of disappointment. It was not long ago that both men were on the very short list of posible next challengers to Frankie Edgar and the UFC Lightweight title. But Ben Henderson's wrestling and Joe Lauzon's submissions ended those dreams - for now at least. Now Miller and Guillard meet in the main event of UFC on FX tonight. The loser will suffer a second straight loss, while the winner will take a key step on the road back to the title. But where exactly will the winner be on that road? How do these two former close contenders now fit into the UFC Lightweight title picture?
For Miller in particular, a win could vault him right back to the top. At the time of the Henderson fight, he was likely only one win away from a title shot, and a win over Guillard, main eventing on TV, will go a long way towards erasing the memory of that loss. The fact that Henderson is now challenging for the title helps Miller's cause too - it's one thing to lose to a lower tier opponent, and something else entirely to lose to the #1 contender. The only trouble for Miller is that a Henderson win would potentially put Miller on the back burner. While a good fight, Miller vs. Henderson was rather definitive, and is not a fight clamoring for an instant rematch.
For Guillard, the road back up is probably a bit longer. It's unlikely a win over Lauzon would have earned him a title shot, so he was not already as close as Miller. His 5 fight win streak before the Lauzon fight was indeed impressive, but he doesn't yet have that big name on his resume to prop him up. Miller could be that name.
What Guillard does have going for him is something Miller lacks - the Wow factor. Guillard is a big personality with KO power in his hands and a pair of Knockout of the Night bonuses to his credit. He's a flashy fighter who stands in sharp contrast to Miller's more workmanlike approach. When Guillard wins, he often wins in spectacular fashion, and if makes a highlight reel of Miller, that's a huge step towards the belt.
But for both men, the jump from title hunt to title challenger depends on a major factor that is largely out of their control - timing. In the volatile UFC Lightweight division, timing is everything when it comes to title shots. Time and again we've seen possible challengers make a name for themselves, only to fall while waiting for their shot. Miller and Guillard are prime examples, but there's also Dennis Siver, Clay Guida, Anthony Pettis, George Sotiropoulos... all close to challenging, all defeated while waiting. Meanwhile the men who have gotten the shots have not always been the absolute most deserving - they've just been in the right place at the right time. There's no better example than champ Edgar, who challenged B.J. Penn after defeating Matt Veach - not the kind of name you expect to face immediately before a title shot. But Edgar had looked good in his wins and was on a winning streak when Penn needed an opponent. He got the call, and he made the most of it.
Had Maynard vs. Edgar 2 not gone to a draw, had the 3rd fight not been delayed due to injury, perhaps Miller vs. Henderson never would have happened and Jim Miller would already be the UFC Lightweight champion. But in this talent-rich division, you can only last so long before being toppled.
For Miller and Guillard, a Lightweight title shot is still within sight. To get there, they have to get through tonight. And if the winner can get through in an impressive fashion? He could easily find himself suddenly right back where he was 6 months ago - fighting off the sharks of the division, hoping that his time is coming.
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I can recall thinking "what the hell just happened" when Frankie beat Sherk
I was so sure we’d see Sherk vs BJ again too.
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Guillards time is coming after tonight millers is up.. Miller cant touch a focused patient guillard. Guillard will keep tagging miller and eventually tko him miller won’t lay a finger on guillard
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by psychoblack on Jan 20, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Rec. I think Melvin looks dominant tonight. I think his recent wins are more impressive than millers, and miller is too average at wrestling to keep Melvin down and not a dynamic or powerful striker. Stylistically this is a good fight for Melvin if he comes in confident
by Robert V-U on Jan 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very interesting regarding 'where they are'
The UFC has had a lot of guys get derailed and new guys riding off of the derailment in 2011. Siver derailed SotRop, Guida derailed Pettis, Henderson derailed Miller, Lauzon derailed Guillard, Henderson derailed Guida, Diaz derailed Cerrone(who derailed Siver)
The way I see it, Diaz is coming off of a derailment. Lauzon is coming off of a derailment and fighting Pettis, and Miller and Guillard are both coming off of being derailed against another guy in the same boat.
So I think between Diaz who is on a two fight win streak right now, Lauzon-Pettis winner, and the Miller-Guillard winner…those guys will get matched up in a way to produce the next challenger.
Not to mention Guida is in the rebound, Maynard is in the rebound, Cerrone is in the rebound, the loser of Edgar-Bendo will be in the rebound…
I wouldn’t mind seeing Diaz rematch Guida or Maynard. Hendo rematching Pettis or Cerrone, Miller rematching Edgar or Maynard.
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by SanFranpsycho on Jan 20, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
The division is so stacked, no one guy seems to stand out. It seems like any of the top guys could beat the others on any given night. There’s no clear contenders these days since no guy can put together a long win streak against top competition.
The off-the-board picks right now are Melendez and Aldo. Other than them, I agree that Diaz and JLau/Pettis winner stand as the next contenders. And Guillard/Miller winner after another big one.
by TheMuscleShark on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rematches?
I’d prefer to see fresh fights personally..I do think that Nate Diaz is going to face the winner of this fight, so if Guillard wins there would be a re-match there but…
Fraser made a great point about timing being an uncontrollable factor; the Lauzon/Pettis fight could easily determine the next challenger, since it’s on the same night as the title fight.
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I just threw rematches out
Obviously they can go with fresh matchups…but rematches help on the storytelling side.
And when you have a few top guys who were all on big win streaks and then got derailed…or guys who just aren’t on big win streaks in general…I think the concept of them avenging a past last or two helps sell their legitimacy a bit more. Some casuals, in my experience, have a hard time ‘buying’ guys who have a checkered record and who aren’t on a good streak.
But maybe I just have less of an aversion to rematches than most fans.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
You make good points about storytelling and avenging losses
I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday about the topic and my take was that the UFC tends to like putting on re-matches, too much for my tastes, while he argued that he didn’t think they made too many re-matches and that they only do it if the first fight was crazy exciting.
I didn’t do any research on the matter but what do you think? Does the UFC tend to pick a re-match over a fresh fight, all other factors being equal?
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I remember a stat (I think it was Goldie who mentioned it, actually) saying that in something like 27 UFC rematches, the winner of the first fight had won 13 or 14 of the rematches. “So what we know, Joe, is that we don’t know anything at all!”
I like rematches when they tick off one or (preferably) more of the following:
- 2-3+ years have passed
- Previous fight was outside of the UFC
- The rematch is for the title
- The first fight was closely contested and/or controversial and/or exciting
- The loser of the first fight has done better than the winner since then
But then again, Silva vs Okami 2 ticks all five boxes and that wasn’t a particularly exciting rematch, but that may have something to do with Silva saying he didn’t care about the first fight and didn’t feel like he needed to avenge the loss. If Okami had won the first fight by wrestlefucking Silva to a decision the rematch might have been more intriguing.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't tick your last box
Silva has had much higher levels of success since the first fight, including defeating Franklin 2x & chael sonnen, both of whom okami suffered UFC losses to.
Silva did lose the first fight to Okami....
…so technically it does tick the box.
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To be honest I think they tend to avoid them
But that’s coming from someone who probably prefers seeing rematches more.
It’s hard to come up with examples on the spot…but it seems like fairly often I see an opportunity for a rematch and they sort of go different ways…they tend to do them when it’s a big money fight, some kind of controversy is involved or there is no other match to really make(top contender, title fight, etc)
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by Chris Groves on Jan 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
interesting how quickly LW got off track
how may contenders and prospects did we lose in a year? g-sot, siver, miller, guida, guillard and cerrone (not to mention prospects like oliviera and dunham).
i think the problem was the draw between edgar and maynard, followed by the ten months or so for the rematch. combine that with bad luck and voila! a bunch of contenders just vanish.
it also goes to show other things. what we think might be the strongest division could start looking average very soon, but it is tough to go the other way around (i.e. easier to lose a winstreak than build one). it also shows how amazing the dominant champs really are. we’ve seen so many crazy upsets that we should appreciate how dominant fighters like Silva, GSP, Cruz and Aldo that can defend their belts 4 times or more really are.
This has been the curse of the LW division ever since it started, with only B.J. Penn’s reign breaking free of it. Sherk held the belt for over a year and defended it just once while plenty of possible challengers were squandered. I think it’s just the reality of the division – because everyone is tough and very evenly matched, you’re always going to have guys who are building up to a shot and lose. And because the talent pool is so deep at 155, it takes a lot of wins to really stand out. At a place like MW, you don’t have to win nearly as many fights against as many seriously tough opponents to get to the top.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm normally the first guy to point out how overrated Melvin is
But suggesting his streak was over a lower level competition is pretty absurd. Evan dunham whooped Sean Sherk, regardless of what those judges thought. He was coming in virtually undefeated, was probably the hottest prospect in the UFC lightweight division, and was thought to be using Melvin to make him look good in a main event. Melvin PASTED him, something nobody else, including Sherk, has ever done. That was a very credible win.
Fair enough...
…but his other wins?
Shane Roller
Jeremy Stephens
Waylon Lowe
Ronys Torres
Only Stephens is at all good out of those four, so let’s say Melvin fought three guys we all knew he would beat, one guy that he should beat and Dunham, a tough match-up, but by no means a huge favorite over Guillard.
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