Dennis Siver Dropping to Featherweight
by Tim Burke on Jan 2, 2012 6:30 PM EST
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A loss or two are apparently good motivation to drop a few pounds. UFC fighter Dennis Siver, who has competed as a lightweight for most of his 27-fight career, will apparently be moving down for his next bout. MMA Fighting has the info:
Former lightweight contender Dennis Siver is planning a move to featherweight in 2012, sources close to the fighter confirmed with MMAFighting.com. No word just yet on when the 19-8 German fighter will make his debut in the 145-pound weight class.
Siver had won four fights in a row going into UFC 137, and was considered to be a contender in the division. Unfortunately for him, he was submitted in the first round of his bout with Donald Cerrone and was forced to go back to the drawing board. He joins a long list of long-time 155'ers that have decided to drop to featherweight lately, including Tyson Griffin, Cole Miller, and Bart Palaszewski.
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Siver looks like a brick shithouse @ 155
I can’t imagine this cut will be good for him
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if someone in 2007 said Wandy would become a decent middleweight
No one would believe he could make the cut. As long as he cuts some excess muscle he could make the cut safely. He may be naturally stocky but not all of that muscle is natural
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by sitnam90 on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn straight
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Losing some muscle might be good for him.
by discoandherpes on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
So mini Daniel Craig will be even tinyer ill be interested to see if he can make it
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And if he can't...
Then somebody needs to install him as “evil James Bond” in the next 007 flick
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Then he learned Ross Pearson just fought and won at 145
and realized that dropping weight wasn’t going to save him.
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by pdl on Jan 2, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This reminds me of when I heard the news that Kawajiri was dropping down to FW. My first thought was, “he’s already a brick shithouse, he’ll be a monster at FW”. The same applies for Siver. I think the FW division got a helluva lot more interesting.
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He actually competed at welterweight and was submitted by Cerrone
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He competed at 155lbs which is lightweight.
I think he’s making separate statements there. Both are correct.
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Who should Siver fight 1st..?
I say Korean Zombie or Hominick
by The KO Kid on Jan 2, 2012 6:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
needs a tune-up to see if the cut weren't too hard on him
like palasewski
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by the guy with the big nose on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
nah
throw him in right away. he’s top level talent and i don’t doubt for a second that he’s bringing anything but his a-game.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Jan 2, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Young or Erik Koch would be fun matchups.
George Roop would make a ton of sense as the upper echelon gatekeeper of 145. I’m not sure which of those fights is a favorable matchup for Siver but that’s what is out there.
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by pdl on Jan 2, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Roop's the one guy who'd still have a reach advantage on him...as a Siver fan, I'd prefer he start elsewhere.
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Let Darren Elkins wrestlefuck him then.
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by pdl on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Siver has shown some pretty good takedown defense especially with his build. Elkins would actually be a pretty good matchup, and I think that Siver would defend the takedown and beat Elkins standing.
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the cut can make his a-game lacking
and I just realized it’s supposed to be “wasn’t” right? stupid second language
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by the guy with the big nose on Jan 2, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
i completely agree that a greater weight cut might have an adverse effect on his overall game, i just don’t believe in ‘gimmie fights’. it’s ridiculous.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Jan 2, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Siver vs Cub Swanson.
For all the stand n wangers.
by Anthony Peer on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Both coming off of loses, so not too bad.
by discoandherpes on Jan 2, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
If he can safely and efficiently make the cut
Then he could be a real threat at 145. I don’t really understand the move – it’s not like he was getting muscled around at 155, but if he thinks that’s what he needs then go for it.
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these cuts are easier for 55ers
cause its only 10 pounds. If one doesn’t find success in lightweight they can more easily make the move to featherweight, more easily than one could make the move between lightweight-welter-middle-light heavy. 15-20 pounds is a lot harder on someones body and the size difference is more noticable in those higher weight classes
???
As a percentage of body weight, it’s about the same.
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Yup
That’s why wrestling has more light weight classes and gradually the difference is greater.
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by halitosis on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is smart
It looked like he tried to make up for his height and reach at LW by bulking up.
I think his fighting style would benefit if he lost a bit of muscle.
I feel like he’s gonna need to drop a lot of upper body muscle (or at least he should so he can have an easier cut). I don’t think his power will suffer much (mainly cause I don’t think he has much), but if he can move quicker with less muscle than he can maybe land more of those slick spinning kicks
Siver is only 5'7"
Cutting to 145 should not be that difficult for him. He’s also 32 so this is probably his last chance to make a run at the top of a division. I like his odds better at FW. His solid TDD will be even better due to a strength advantage, and he may get a little quicker with less bulk. I think he comes up short against the better strikers of the division, but can have some success against the grapplers. I think a fight with Hominick would be pretty damn entertaining. It would either get the Machine back on track or give Siver a big win vaulting him into the top of the division.
Siver is going to find the speed advantage of basically all his oppopents at FW too much
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by Our Bovine Public on Jan 2, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions
Not too sure about that
Siver will probably get faster by dropping a class. He has too much unnecessary bulk that hinders his speed.
Or maybe he's too big at 155
And would be way too big for 145.
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Depends on how he plans to get to 145
If he’s going to just dehydrate himself there then he’s fucked. If he plans on dieting and losing some unnecessary muscle then I think it would be a good thing.
Dennis Siver vs Manny Gamburyan.
Siver can make an immediate impact on the division with a win over Gamburyan. Lightweight is too crowded anyway. I like this move.
by The Armchair Juggernaut on Jan 2, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wonder if he gets cut after last weekend though
He’s lost three in a row now.
Featherweight isn’t too deep and Sean Shelby usually gives guys second and third chances. I think he’ll set up a fight like Phan/Gamburyan just to save one guys job.
by discoandherpes on Jan 2, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Siver's striking is incredibly overrated
And way too slow for the fast 145ers.
Why the hell is he dropping there anyway?
Ummm….Siver vs. Erik Koch.
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Its really not
He has a unique striking style, and is definitely a top 5 striker in LW.
The LW wrestleboxers’ hands are so horrible that if Siver could Hulk his way out of being taken down at LW it was a long night for his opponent.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jan 2, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
He was soundly outstruck by Ross Pearson
Whose striking is very good but not elite.
He was stomped on by Guillard and owned by Cerrone.
At this point I’d say Edgar, Guillard, Cerrone, Diaz, Pearson, and possibly Stout all have better striking than him.
Much of his hype is the spinning back-kick, which doesn’t land nearly as often as I wish it would.
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Owned by Cerrone, ok
Every time Guillard fights is a coin toss. You can’t accurately predict any of his fights, because he’s such a loose cannon. That fight honestly doesn’t mean as much to me as the three rounds against Pearson, and I could see either Guillard or Siver getting KO’d in a rematch.
I honestly don’t think he could beat Guida, Maynard, or other top control specialists. I think it was insane that people wanted to see any of those matchups, as Siver’s TD defense isn’t that good and he’s absolutely horrible off of his back.
I said he was top 5, your rankings put him at top 7. That’s not overrated, he has really good striking compared to most of the rest of the wrestleboxer heavy division. The karate base is really just something Rogan harps on and is annoying. But his hype is off of his TD defense and unorthodox striking.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
if he thinks he can make it more power to him
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that said
I don’t think it is a good move for him him. He will be a plodding mass of dehydrated muscle if that cut doesn’t go well and just a big target the faster featherweights.
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Unless he slims down. Then I think it’s a good move.
by discoandherpes on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
SIVER VS. NAM PHAN!!! Book that shit dana!
They are both coming off of losses, and it would be a great fight for Denis’ style.
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one problem I have with MMA
Is that in boxing, boxers naturally move up in weight as they age and look for tougher competition. In MMA, fighters are quick to drop a weight class after a few losses.
Personally, I think Siver looked good at 155 and should just continue to develop his game. A loss to Cerrone is nothing to be ashamed of.
At any rate, best of luck to Siver in the featherweight division
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It helps that there are more weight classes in boxing. In MMA a jump from Lightweight to Welterweight is 15lbs (weigh-in day). That’s a significant amount of mass to put on between fights. In boxing, a jump between Super Welterweight (154lbs) and Middleweight (160lbs) is just 4 pounds (obviously). So that sport lends itself better to incremental weight gains. That, and boxing spreads talent out more. Imagine if the UFC adopted boxing’s weight classes. Those divisions would each be very weak, meaning the top guys would need to continually move up in weight to fight other top guys. So it is in boxing.
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by POW on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you mean 6 lbs, but I get what you are saying.
It’s not the weight increments or the amount of weight classes I’m disputing, it’s the DIRECTION. That fighters look to drop weight in an effort to find more success. Jose Aldo, who I think is top 5 P4P, looked awful during his UFC 129 weight cut. Personally, I don’t like to see fighters killing themselves to make weight. I think BJ Penn, Frankie Edgar, and Royce Gracie are great examples of fighters that can achieve great success by not being the bigger, more athletic fighter.
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Royce Gracie shouldn’t be brought up in this discussion… he fought when nobody had any idea what jiu jitsu was. When he fought Hughes, it clearly showed that his technique wasn’t enough.
With that said, Penn and Edgar are good examples, but are the exceptions rather than the rule.
I think Royce Gracie is a great example. Yes, I agree he got smashed by Hughes, but I don’t think that takes away from his past accomplishments. It’s not a fair assessment since Royce was at the end of his career and Hughes was in his prime.
In regards to “the exception vs. the rule argument”, I can’t really go anywhere with that.
If I list a mid-level fighter as an example, the fighter’s mediocre-to-decent track record isn’t strong enough to support my agrument. I can’t use a C-level fighter or anything less for obvious reasons. So I need to use high-level fighters with success against larger opponents. So, I guess what I’m trying to say is – agree to disagree?
What about Shinya Aoki? Does that work?
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The reason we get that in boxing
is because guys start in the right weight class to begin with. With such a deep amateur system they start really young and slowly start to bulk up (think Rory McDonald). If these guys who drop to 145 were boxers they probably would have started their careers there in Boxing, indeed even lower, and moved up from there.
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Perhaps. Looking at this old picture of Siver, he probably could’ve competed at 145lbs when he was younger. The key word is younger. He’s not that size anymore.
Again, my point is the direction of weight classes MMA fighters are moving towards.
I agree with you 100% that if there were a deep amateur system, then someone like Rory would start to move up in weight as he aged and bulked up.
But what we are seeing is guys are aging and naturally bulking up – and then cutting to a lower weight class when the going gets tough.
Siver’s loss to Cowboy was because Cowboy saw a hole in his game (i.e. he keeps his right hand down) And so Cowboy game planned for it. He didn’t lose because he couldn’t match strength with him.
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Dennis Siver is a ONE TRICK PONY.
How many ELITE grapplers has he faced? Zero.
He beat a couple of overrated grapplers who are not even contenders anymore. He’s got good kickboxing but not much else. He’s a one trick pony.
Put Dennis Siver against an ELITE grappler and he’ll fold like a cheap lawn chair.
Dana has purposely let him SLIDE up the ladder without having to face great grapplers because he needs more Euro fighters to be top contenders. A Euro fighter is worth three times his weight in gold to the UFC since you can’t have a Euro show without Euro fighters on the card these days.
That’s why Gustafsson was given an easy fight at UFC 141, so that he can keep his nice record intact for a possible main event or co-main event when the UFC goes to Sweden in 2012. Matyushenko was basically FED to him as a light appetizer.
Siver is irrelevant and won’t amount to anything in the featherweight division since there’s too many grapplers who will dry hump him or submit him. Expect Dana to feed him cans mostly for a while.
by Who_Has_Crushed_More_Cans_Than_Fedor on Jan 2, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions
I feel as though The Janitor was a pretty logical progression for The Mauler. It is the exact same career arc as they put Jon Jones on. Matt Hammill and then Vladdy. And Jon Jones is not European.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
And to give context to each of those matchups...
Jon Jones was a -750 favorite over The Janitor. Gustafsson was between -300 and -330. So that whole “feeding” thing is way less applicable here anyways.
Also, Gustafsson got the win against Hamill.
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by discoandherpes on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Siver’s wins before the Cerrone fight were pretty solid. A winning streak consisting of Fisher, Winner, Sotiropolous, and Wiman is a pretty solid streak. Not great, but solid. He is really not that bad of a fighter.
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, George Sotiropoulos. One of the best grapplers at LW, beat him easily.
He also recently beat a more wrestling oriented fighter in Matt Wiman.
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by Horselover Fat on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
Jose Aldo look out
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Dennis Siver look out
You’re about to get grabbed……by the foot
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