Shogun breaks ties with Rafael Cordeiro of Kings MMA for good
by Orcus on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM EST
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I’m not going back to train there. When I decided to train in Sao Paulo, it was a decision of mine, but I never closed the door to Rafael. I always kept a friendship with him. But, unfortunately, he was upset and said some things I did not like, and that made me close the door to him. I don’t think about training with him (anymore). When I went to Sao Paulo, I didn’t mean to become his enemy. The friendship was the same. But he said some unfortunate things.
Before each fight I analyze my opponent and where it would be a good camp for me. For the Dan Henderson fight, I thought Sao Paulo would be a better camp. I analized that close to my team. So I always search what’s best for me. If I think the best place is in China, (then) I will train in China. I sacrifice myself and my family supports me.
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China?
g’damn Shogun
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by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions
Seriously who is in China that Shogun needs to train with?
Is he going to the Shaolin temple or something awesome like that?
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by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
He said “if”, meaning that it doesn’t matter where in the world the best place to train would be, he would go there to train.
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by Tim Bernier on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"As it turns out, the best place to train is my couch, I eaty, I sleepy."
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
He is going to China to learn the secrets of the Dim Mak.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 20, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Surely the bit about China was just hypothetical? If I think the best place is the North of England I will train in England
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I didn't think the bit about China thing would be so confusing
he’s using it as an example of it doesn’t matter where he trains as long as it is the best place to train. China is sometimes used in common conversations in Brazil because it’s a very, very, far away place, so people tend to use it to draw examples.
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by Orcus on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
best word I guess to describe it i guess would be a metaphor :p
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by Orcus on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Makes more sense now
I thought I missed some story on Shogun hooking up with some camp in China from the way he was talking. Hopefully he doesn’t go somewhere in Las Vegas, lots of disappointing results when guys set up camp there.
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by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
my bad, didn’t know how else to illustrate it on the translation, is there something similar in English speaking countries? would be cool for me to know.
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You’re translation was perfectly fine… I understood what you meant right away, and those that didn’t should blame the American school system. People need to understand what the word “if” means…
by Shnak on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ha, thanks
I guess I could have included a “than” in there as well though, matter of fact I’ll include that now!
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I’ll agree with Shnak, the translation was fine. I actually thought the two guys at the top were joking when they thought he was going to China, so I didn’t correct them. Haha.
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by Horselover Fat on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, same here. menckenstein is normally a snarky fellow so I assumed he was joking.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
"on the moon" would have worked
It’s not a special English idiom or anything but it would have made it obvious that Shogun wasn’t talking about a specific place.
Also, you wanted “then” instead of “than”. Than is for comparisons (this is better than that) while Then is for cause-effect relationships (if this happens then I will do that).
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thanks
I do usually think of “than” for comparison, and “then” as time related, but you’re right, “then” would fall into the time-related event of him going to train in China.
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actually
now that I think about it, wouldn’t “than” be more accurate? it’s not really time-related, it is a comparison. English is such a pain, we have the same word for “than” and “then”.
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if someone can get back to me with this.
I went to Brazil then I went to China
I rather go to Brazil than go to China
both are correct, right? Shogun’s quote would fall in the second example of “than”, no?
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But as far as the quote goes above,
it would be “then” because it’s time. He’s basically saying he would only go to China when it was the best place. Does that make sense?
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear...
I went to Brazil, then I went to China is correct. It is a sequence.
“I would rather go to Brazil than China” is also correct (now that we included the would- but the contraction “I’d” would also be appropriate there). It is an either/or situation. I felt that Mandmeisterx was saying your second quote was wrong-it is not. FYI.
Than is a conjunction used in comparisons, and then is used for time. But to be encouraging, many native english speakers use than in cases where they should use then.
I thought Lay N Pray was a stupid insult until I watched Tyrone Woodly fight.
but
it does sound like a comparative statement.
“If I think the best place is in China, (then) I will train in China.”
But think of it like this.
1: I think the best place to train is in China.
2: I will Train in China.
That should help frame it. Whoa, did I really just write that much about grammar? I am soooo sorry. wow. lol at myself.
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yeah
I actually searched it online after this whole thing, and I found a page that basically says use “than” for comparison, and “then” for everything else (because it appears it is also used to non-time related stuff). but I learned something knew today that I thought I had it already learned. poor Shogun and Rafael, no one cares about them :p
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So, would you say that we care more about grammar then Shogun and Rafael or that we care more about grammar than Shogun and Rafael? ;-)
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Seriously, alotta Americans and British folk didn’t get to learn their language properly, and cellphone and internet speak have fucked their writing skills up for them even further.
I am growing more and more convinced that english-versed foreigners type better.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Of course they don't learn.
We can’t all be from Northern England.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
*new
Ahoy-hoy.
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"Why fear death? I don’t need anything, I don’t have anything, I don’t want anything. I think it’s silly for somebody to be scared of dying. One should be afraid of being born. I have already told my children when I die I want a party, with no alcohol, no hell raising [general laughter]. But I want a party with music, food… I don’t know if you guys believe in reincarnation, but we all go and come back until the day we no longer have to return. My brother [Carlos Gracie, already deceased] used to say the fellow only stops returning to Earth when he mingles with the Whole. Even when you’re thinking just a little bit wrongly, you come back to continue evolving. Hell, my friends, is right here on Earth." - Helio Gracie
by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 20, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's fine I just missed what Shogun was implying by a million miles
I think all the Asian MMA coverage influenced my thinking there ;)
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by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Your translation was fine, Orcus
But if you’re curious for an equivalent English phrase it would probably be “from here to Timbuktu,” with Timbuktu being used to describe any distant or remote place.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Jan 19, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Meh, some people will question whether there are fight camps in Timbuktu… that’s just not clear enough.
by Shnak on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Meh
I prefer their basketball team, the Timbuktu Timberwolves.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 19, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Must be primitive training there
They don’t even have a website..
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by Harley hooper on Jan 19, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I understood it just fine
In the US people use examples like that all of the time. I’m baffled that people didn’t understand.
He’s clearly saying he’ll train wherever he thinks it would be best…even if he thought it was China.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 19, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a metafur
Don’t you know what a metafur is!!!!
This site is not known for reading comprehension. What you wrote makes perfect sense.
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by Clay Davis on Jan 20, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BE= Intelligent discussion?
I thought that is what I came here for…but after a lengthy discussion and so much confusion involving the “china” issue…I am certainly second guessing that… BE= Intelligent discussion?
by Malachi Holder on Jan 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to hear that
But I think they’re going to squash this eventually.
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it really sucks
not sure what Rafael told Shogun personally, but in the media for example when speaking to Mauro Ranallo he said Shogun doesn’t like to be pushed in training, and that his camp is filled with “yes man” type of guys that will never push him to improve himself. I tend to agree with Rafael and hope Shogun finds a place where he’s not the boss, because otherwise I’m afraid he’ll never get back into title contention.
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by dancingChicken on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
It sounds like something Samuel Beckett would say, or fucking Jacques Lacan.
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by dancingChicken on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I remember reading that too.
It sounded a little rough, but Rafa always seemed to me like a guy who wants what’s best to Shogun and feels his training would be better. Can’t say I disagree with him, given that Shogun’s best moments happened with Rafael as his trainer.
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by Triangled on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Lyoto fights weren't with Cordeiro.
Those were when he trained at UDL with his brother and Andre Dida.
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I’m talking about Pride.
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Noooo!!!
hope they bring bread to this beef and make a killer sando that ends in a repaired friendship.
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by the jewish conquistador on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Well that's unfortunate.
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This is a huge mistake.
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He would have to cut off his legs.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
Dude can easily make 185 with a good diet and S&C program.
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Note, this is what Shogun said.
Then again Anthony Johnson can make 170lbs. so anything is possible.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Right. I'm saying Shogun is wrong.
You don’t think that guy can find some weight to lose? A little more time jumping rope and running and that a food scale and fridge full of tilapia filets and spinach would get him on weight.
To compare with the eye test, here is Kenny Florian fighting at middleweight 40lbs heavier than his last fight:
A little bit of diet and weight cutting make Shogun one of the gnarliest middleweight fighters. Might be too late to make the switch but Shogun could easily drop 20lbs.
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And that's the reason people think he could drop
It seems he carries a bit of extra weight in his fights that could be lost, without losing his power and even increasing his speed.
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I doubt it
He looks about the same size as Hendo, who is about 204 and in shape.
by discoandherpes on Jan 20, 2012 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
the ignorance of some people
everybody knows the dim mak is from the shodoshi clan and from japan not china
Word.
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by Unabomberman on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
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