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I've been a BJJ student for 6 months as of this week.

Patience. Breathe. Tap.

The three most common things I've been saying in my head over the last 6 months as a BJJ student. I started my quest for a black belt in July, and I've quickly become addicted to my new favourite sport. Injuries to my shoulder have slowed my progress (I have chronic dislocations, not much I can do about it) but outside of that I love every aspect of being a BJJ player.

A lot of whitebelts are really concerned with subbing people right away, and base their progress off of how many stripes they have, or how many people they can beat during a roll. I've always thought that was preposterous. I've made it my goal to focus on my positioning, getting a solid base, and learning every defense imaginable from positions and submissions. I can count the number of people I've subbed during rolls on one hand, but when it came time for competition (after 3 months of training) I gave a guy who has 15 months more experience than me a tough match. Even though that match was only 3 months ago, I look back at the tape and notice places where I made mistakes (i.e. getting out of people's half guards) which is a sign that I'm mentally progressing - the most important aspect of BJJ.

As I sit here reflecting on the last 6 months of my life, I only regret that I hadn't started sooner. I envy the 13-15 year olds who train with the adults because I know they are going to be beast's by the time they are my age (24). For anyone who’s been toying with the idea of training, but has made an excuse not to take the free class offered by every academy as a try out....GO NOW. Seriously. You will not regret it. Aside from the physical benefits (My cardio is awesome, I haven't had a 6 pack since university....until BJJ came along, etc) the mental aspects of BJJ is the cherry on top. The gentle art forces you to be calm in very stressful situations, and at least for me, that has translated into me being able to keep a clear head in any stressful situation - on the mat or off it.

Be forewarned, there are cons to taking up BJJ. Here is my list:

1) It is more addictive than crack. You will become addicted after the third class; there is no getting around that fact.

2) You will spend your day at your office browsing old grappling matches and reading obscure forum posts just because it's grappling related.

3) You will constantly be going for positions on your significant other.

4) Your holiday/birthday/whatever gift list will comprise entirely for GI's from now on.

I've been told that the 6 month mark is a big accomplishment for a whitebelt. It shows they have dedication. I always get confused when I hear that, because I have no idea how anyone could ever quit something as amazing as BJJ.

Until next time...keep shrimping.

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I’d say this is a pretty accurate reflection. The whole mantra that BJJ is a lifestyle not just a martial art is true, it changes a lot about you for the better. Keep rolling, if you’re ever around Washington D.C. drop a line and come roll.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed - I'd like to think I'm a much better person than I was a couple years ago

Where do you train out of in The DMV, Patrick?

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m in Springfield at USAJJ under Gilson Fernandes (4th degree, Carlson lineage). I teach Tuesday/Thursday/Friday (nogi on Friday) nights, if you’re in the area come on by, I’ll put up the class times etc if you ever want to drop in.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool beans

I train up in Sterling but I’d definitely love to come hang out and get choked by a BEBuddy.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedro’s or Passos? And yeah come on by anytime!

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Relson’s, forgot about Fightworks!

Too many damn schools around here =).

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

oh fightworks gym

and their awesome podcast.

if you train BJJ, listen to the Fightworks Podcast. It is amazing.

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Passos

I always forget there’s like ninety billion gyms in Loudon/Upper FFX

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, at this point I get really confused by the amount of Pedro/Yamasaki/Relson schools in the area; can never remember who’s where.

Definitely come visit for a class sometime when you want (heads up that on the 25th (unless something crazy happens) my instructor Gilson will be up from Rio to crush souls and make every tendon in my body hurt/bleed again).

Tony runs an awesome school by the way, I’ve had the chance to drop by a couple times and always had a really good time.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's awesome/terrifying

I will keep a candle lit for you and pray for your swift recovery to the gods of the mat. Once this “transition” at work is over with (end of month) is most likely when I’ll hit you up, hopefully you’ll still be with us.

Godspeed.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I always think it’s going to be worse than he makes it sound, and I’m always right haha. It’s always entertaining though to hear a white belt ask “how do I get out of this” and then Gilson yells “you pray my friend” before choking them.

Best of luck with the work transition.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Also I don't want to ignore your compliment so "That's so nice of you to say!"

I love Tony, he’s my hero.

/brownnosing

Gilson is a BOPE commando? That’s bad ass. I’ll light two candles for you now.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s a former BOPE operative and now runs their hand to hand combat training. Also runs his personal academy in Rio (RJJC) as well as a ginormous kids program for BJJ in the favelas.

I had the chance with a bunch of the other guys from school to sit down and watch Tropa De Elite with him… surreal experience as he talked us through what actually goes on and what everything is actually like.

I really wish I could drag him around to schools in the area when he visits, one of these days I’ll talk him into it.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yamasaki...

Since you’re a local guy, thought I’d ask your opinion on the Yamasaki network. They’ve got a school in DC (bjjdc.com) that I’m thinking of checking out, but my experience with Lloyd Irvin has really turned me off to large networks of schools.

I was happy as a clam at Fifty/50 for a year, but when my daughter was born in November, I didn’t have the time for the commute out to Arlington. Searching for alternatives, now…

Reppin' the 202 for The Voice's in Paul Harris' Head. BECW Season 12.

by skeebop on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Luis Pantoja who teaches at Yamasaki D.C. is awesome and I’m a huge fan of the Yamasaki schools in the area. Dave Jacobs who runs Fairfax Jiu Jitsu (Abmar Barbosa teaches there as well for long stretches of time) is an amazing teacher and competitor as well.

Check out Luis’s place in D.C., I’ve never been but I’ve seen him compete and I know that the Yamasaki network in this area is great.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

That’s good to hear. I’ll give ’em a shot in the next couple weeks.

Reppin' the 202 for The Voice's in Paul Harris' Head. BECW Season 12.

by skeebop on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks PT. If I'm ever in the area I'll take you up on that

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to hear

About a month into the sport myself so all of those symptoms are sounding familiar! Definately jealous of kids taking up the sport as well, especially when their technique and flexibility is so much better than mine!

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/9/2694756/first-bjj-lesson
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/10/2697690/second-bjj-lesson
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/17/2713173/third-bjj-lesson

by Terra17 on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

There is this one 14 year old at my academy that is amazing.

The kid is just a shark with a endless gas tank and a wicked triangle choke, it’s humbling to get tapped by someone so much smaller than you.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

well said

BJJ is a truly addictive martial art. It is amazing how I had played sports growing up and even found one I thought I was going to be in for life in Fencing, but when I did BJJ for the first time I knew this was the activity I had been searching for my whole life.

When you find the right school you’ll be surrounded by fantastic people, the art will constantly interest you and challenge you.

oh and this is right on the button:

3) You will constantly be going for positions on your significant other.

4) Your holiday/birthday/whatever gift list will comprise entirely for GI’s from now on.

got a Vulkan Ultra Light for X-Mas and couldn’t be happier.

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Hahahaha, I just got a brand new Sirius Comp Gi from the girlfriend. It's amazing.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

damn she must like you

because that is a nice fucking gi

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It was part of the one year anniversary present.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What'd you get her?

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Some purse from Michael Kors she wanted.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoulda bought her the Leticia gi and been like “Time to start Jiu Jitsu”.

Alternatively you also may have wanted to keep having a significant other in which case you probably did the right thing.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't even pretend I know anything about that but if she wanted it you did good.

Congrats on the anniversary.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks man

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

kors is the new coach…. from the mind another guy in a relationship having an affair with a girl on the side

by hewsdaddy on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Shoulder dislocations...

Have you looked into surgical options? I had a labrum that was 80% torn, couldn’t throw a punch or shoot a basketball without risking a dislocation, and bjj would have been completely out of the question.

I had surgery to repair it about 2.5 years ago, and 6 months later I was back to hitting heavy bags for hours a week. Even took up BJJ for a year with no problems.

Surgery was expensive as fuck, even with insurance, but one of the best decisions I ever made.

Reppin' the 202 for The Voice's in Paul Harris' Head. BECW Season 12.

by skeebop on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

I've looked into it.

I don’t have a torn labrum though, so it’s kinda just at the point where its loose, but not surgery loose. I can roll, play bball, football, w/e and not have it hurt or be loose or anything, its just in the weird BJJ scrambles that where I wind up in an armbar that it pops/comes close to popping.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

sklart,skeebop How is it rolling with a bad shoulder?

I had my rotator-cuff split and sown up in 2001. Things were fine for a long time but have begun to deteriorate again.I have had about 5 dislocations myself in the last 3 years. Have a doctors apt next wk to begin the process of scheduling surgery. I have been daydreaming about doing BJJ for the past three or four years but I have been kinda scared to do it for fear of having my arm ripped off/out of socket. I am wondering do they accommodate you, do they give you stuff to work on that would be low risk for re-injury? Is it OK to ask the guy your rolling with to avoid going for arm-bars and such on your bad side? Perhaps after my surgery and recovery I could take a stab at it. It sure would be nice to stop daydreaming about it…

by beerdo on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I sublax my shoulder more often then I dislocate it

So I gues I’m lucky that way. I tap early and often, but sometimes you get into a weird spot where the pressure is too much and the shoulder goes.

My worst BJJ shoulder injurt put off the mats for 6 weeks while I did some physio. Every dr. I’ve ever seen has told me the same thing “You can get surgery, but at this point your shoulder doesn’t need it.” It’s really just a case by case thing, and how bad your shoulder actually is

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Can’t really say, myself. I only started BJJ after my surgery, when my “bad” shoulder felt great.

As for the other side of it, it’ll depend on the school you go to, but in my experience, most people are totally cool if you tell them, “hey, I’ve got a bad shoulder, please don’t break it.” That only applies to practice, of course: you’re on your own in a competition.

Reppin' the 202 for The Voice's in Paul Harris' Head. BECW Season 12.

by skeebop on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya this too.

I always tell people I have a bad left shoulder in class, they usually avoid that side of me. Rolls I won’t mention it, unless I tap from a weird position that leaves my partner confused, then I’ll explain the shoulder and its all god.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to hear that people will acomadate you in practice. Thx for the info

That is def one of my main concerns if I am to join a school. I’,m not sure I would ever really wanna compete. Mostly interested in it for a hobby and to learn the techniques.

by beerdo on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ll always find the very rare douchebag but most of those guys get weeded out fast at BJJ schools so you’re left with relatively intelligent training partners who understand not to go Palhares on everything; one of my favorite training partners for just really light flow rolling has a completely bum shoulder that he’s now recovering from surgery on, BJJ if anything has actually helped him strengthen it over time.

Just gotta watch who you roll with and how you roll (a general idea is that your training partner should be going as hard as you go, if they rank higher then maybe they go slightly lighter; so as long as you’re controlled they will be too).

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you have to be careful

Especially because I love to go for leg locks, I’ve had to learn very early to not go HAM on someone. Honestly though, I don’t even go for them unless I’m going with a very experienced grappler.

by discoandherpes on Jan 19, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the average training times for the different belts degrees? I.e. assuming you train 3-5 times a week consistently how long does it take to get blue, purpe, brown etc

Mcloviiiiin!!

by Disco1Stu on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

found a wikipedia article on it here takes 1-2 years to go to blue belt, about 3 years to purple, at least 1.5 years to brown, and 10 years total to black (varies obviously)

Mcloviiiiin!!

by Disco1Stu on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a purple belt, training 4-7 times a week (3+ hour sessions) essentially non stop for a bit over 4 years. There is no set timeline though, different instructors/different students/different training partners/tournament results will all have an effect on your belt timeline.

The best thing you can do in Jiu-Jitsu is to forget belts exist, other than as a marker to show you what level of respect needs to be given to the person.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the best advice.

Belt’s don’t mean much to me other than I know who are the senior belts in the class. Whitebelt or not, you gotta respect everyone or you will tap.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll second this

around the time most students are ready for their blue belt they realize the belt isn’t all that important other than an indicator of time spent in the art and knowledge collected.

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, my instructor believes this:

White belts are nothing
Blue belts are worse than nothing because they think they know something
Purple belts might know something
Brown belts know something
Black belts should know something and be aware of everything

But then again when he comes up from Brazil he also sends me messages saying “Prepare your soul, only god and jiu jitsu can save you and god isn’t listening”.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I got a hard lesson in how much a blue belt means

right after I got my blue tied on, I stayed for open mat and one of my friends who was still a white belt wanted to roll. He slapped a nasty triangle on me from his guard and tapped me out.

and one of our brown belts favorite sayings is:

“Being a brown belt doesn’t mean I know everything, it just makes it embarrassing when I don’t know the answer to a question”

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, someday someone will compile a list of “jiujitsuisms”; I’ve heard quite a few good ones in my time.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal

by Patrick Tenney on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think blue belts are hit and miss

I’ve rolled with some blue belts who couldn’t score a point on me, then others who tapped me in 30 seconds(or less).

I think it comes down to age, body type and fitness levels to a certain degree. And wrestling.

From my experience, white belts with wresting experience can be extremely tough to roll with. I’ve seen some college wrestlers walk in and terrorize good blue belts on day one.

It goes both ways though, I’ve seen some athletic BJJ players who were good wrestlers. Which is even more dangerous, IMO.

"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva

"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson

by TheFilt on Jan 19, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

blue belt is still a beginner belt

so your experiences with the range of blue belts is pretty typical. based on the person, it can 2 to 4 years to advance to purple and with injuries some can take up to 6 years

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Jan 19, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I hear most people quit BJJ between blue and purple belt.

It’s easy to get to blue (time wise, I mean) but sometimes the wait for purple is too much and you don’t feel like you’re progressing. You can tell yourself “well, it’s gonna take me years anyways so what’s the big deal with taking 2 months off?” and then they don’t come back…..

by Brandon Starr on Jan 19, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

piggy backing off of this

How much variance is there typically between instructors/lineages? The school I went to was under the Fabio Santos banner, the instructor had been teaching for like 10 years, and while I was there he got his final (3rd i think) stripe on his purple belt. And it seemed like the rest of the students at this school, and others under the same banner, progressed through ranks similarly slowly.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

There is variance, but the thing about BJJ is that you can’t promote people too fast or they’ll get smoked when they compete. 10 years is on the slow side for someone who is “just” a purple belt, but not completely outside the realm of possibility, especially I this person has taken time off at some point.

by beeran on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, thats pretty much what I figured

Part of it could be that the instructor, is also a black belt in 2 or 3 other arts, teaches them all, and coaches USA TKD competitors, and part of it could be the Fabio (apparently) only makes it up to the NW every year or two to do promotions.

Regardless, I had an absolute blast at that school, and was lucky enough to attend a seminar with Fabio which was an amazing experience.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 21, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice...

Fabio Santos will be here at my academy in Denver for a seminar next month, looking forward to it. Where do you train in the NW? I lived in Portland for a few years.

by beeran on Jan 21, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Maves Martial Arts

across the river in Vancouver. Well I trained there for a while, and hope to again when I have the money.

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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell, this SHOULD be promoted.

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by glib_mf on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I train 2-3 times a week (cant do more because of work)

I figure it will take me about another year to get my blue.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
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by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job sticking with it brother.

For half guard escapes, I prefer slapping on a lockdown and whipping out to a gable grip from the side…..from there you are back in control. One of the best seminars I’ve ever been to was when we brought in Scott “Einstein” Epstein from 10th Planet West LA and we did a 3 hour seminar almost strictly on the lockdown and escaping from half guard. The whole thing was pure gold.

Just keep going to class bro no matter what. I know what you mean about not being able to quit. How often do you hear a bjj player say “oh, I’ll probably roll another year or two and then I’m gonna hang up the gi”? Never.

by Brandon Starr on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

I just hate getting hurt, missing 3 weeks at a time kills my momentum.

As for half guard stuff, I should clarify that my problem isn’t escapes, it’s going from half guard to side control when I’m on top. Watch my match (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/10/15/2492639/today-was-my-first-bjj-tourny-i-lost-lets-breakdown-why) and you’ll see what I mean.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
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by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I see....

I had the same problem when I first started training. The key (for me) is to move straight to mount from half guard. I literally have never transitioned from half guard to side control unless the guy defended my pass to mount in a way that made me end up there. I like to switch my base to face his legs, put a ton of pressure on his far knee, and slide it straight up to mount. The benefits of getting mount are obvious, but even if you don’t get the mount he will focus on not letting your leg escape the half guard which will open him up for ezekiels, kimuras, and keylocks. In all honesty, I’ve developed quite the game of just playing in half guard on top. I have guys tell me all the time before we roll “I have enough left for one more roll but could you not be in my half guard?” lmao. This game is risky though if you’re not good at breaking his lockdown or if you can’t handle a lot of pain in your legs (the lockdown, and trying to pull your leg from half guard to mount takes its toll on your calves).

by Brandon Starr on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Man... after reading this...

I really want to start doing BJJ. I’ve been putting it off since I had a severe accident invovling compound fracturing both bones in my left leg which resulted in a rod and screws, 2 more surgerys, being wheelchair bound for 6mo., gaining a sizeable amount of weight, etc… I’ve recently lost about 1/2 of the lbs I gained and I’ve been cleared for most activity so I think its time!
Anyways I had a point to this…. According to a recent MRI I have no visible damage to my ligaments and tendons in my affected leg but my ortho said they might still be weakened any idea how safe it will be for me to start?

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by NickaG on Jan 19, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Check with your doc

I mean I’ve seen paraplegic’s do BJJ, so take that for what its worth.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 19, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I did...

But he didnt really seem to be sure what I was talking about. But he said I should be ok doing standard “amatuer wrestling.”

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by NickaG on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If he clears you for wrestling, you'll be fine for BJJ

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by sklart on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Never done any jits, always Muay Thai, but BJJ sounds fun as hell. When I move to an area with better BJJ gyms I’ll definitely get into it. Absolutely.

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by T.C. Engel on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

I have found it very hard to find good martial arts schools.

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by Kefka on Jan 19, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you both live?

Good grappling is almost everywhere these days.

by beeran on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Stick with it!

And don’t feel bad about starting at 24. I started at 28 and I train with some badasses who started in their early 30s and later. We even have one guy who started at 60 (!) and he does well. Just be glad you stepped on the mat at all!

by beeran on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I've been going to an MMA place in town for the past week

Does anybody have any suggestions for good habits or anything like that?

I’ve mostly just been trying to roll with the better guys and listen to what they tell me.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Always be clean and have clean gear at the start of class

Keep your finger and toe nails trimmed.

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by menckenstein on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I made sure to do that. I figured accidentally scratching/smelling like shit while rolling with guys who can make rolling absolutely miserable for me would be a bad idea. That and the whole common courtesy thing.

I'd rather be trollin'.

by thirdparty on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

good habits...i just think of the way i'd want my training partner to treat me.

I have long ass legs, so I hit people in the nuts alot. Lots of “sorry” and 2 min breaks lol.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Just started myself.

Work is my only impeding factor on being able to go regularly. Got my 6 year old son going as well. He got his first stripe last week and was so excited. Its awesome watching him.

by Crazynutts on Jan 20, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

channel changer

I constantly straight armlock my girlfriend when she tries to snuggle with me on the couch (clearly, she’s trying to take my back) and I like to straight ankle lock and dish out toeholds as well when we’re laying around watching “The Wire.” She’s a good sport about it.

Per the belts/ranks: I think competitions are invaluable for helping you realize where you’re at and what your weak points are. I film a lot of my rolling and the actual competition matches, and from there I break down the good and the bad and then work on that stuff over the next few months, getting things cleaned up and then going into the next tournament with a better overall game. Anyway, I’ve found that a good local tournament usually fields a larger “delta” amongst the participants, in that the blue belts and the purple belts tend to really vary in skill level. At Pan Ams, everyone was tough. As many posters have pointed out, rank doesn’t necessary mean that “this guy’s tough, that guy’s not,” especially since every person’s game is a bit different. There are guys at my academy that I have no problem with that outrank me, and there are guys that are my same rank who chew my ass up at will. My humble suggestion is to learn to use your training partners to develop areas of your game you need to bolster when facing people with those skill sets. For example, when I’m looking to work triangle defenses, I roll with the best triangle guys in the gym: if the defense/escape works on their stuff, then it may be legit. If it doesn’t, I refine the technique or go looking for another one entirely.

I echo your assertion that folks should start NOW. I laugh that you envy the “young” – I started at 36 and often think to myself, “Gee, I wished I had known about this when I was in college/grad school/whatever.” The fact is that if you are dedicated, BJJ can offer the practitioner MANY benefits. Even for those folks that don’t choose to compete, the “mental chess” factor, the conditioning, the dealing with stress in a systematic and calm way, the comraderie at the academy … it’s all going to benefit your overall life in a majorly positive way.

So stop reading this shit, Google up your local academy, and get going.

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by glib_mf on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Have you ever tried Crack???

It doesn’t take 3 tries to become an addict.

by ONE HIT QUIT on Jan 21, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

This is awesome, and thanks for posting it. Congrats on making it through those first 6 months. I love the attitude you are obviously bringing to it, which is what will make you stronger.

I love me my Muay Thai training, but the one regret of it is that I simply don’t have time to do both MT and Jiu Jitsu, and I would love to try my hand at Jiu Jitsu at some point. Especially since there’s a Gracie Academy literally at the end of my block.

Hope you’ll keep posting some more on your experiences!

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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 21, 2012 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

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