UFC on Fox 2: Demian Maia To Face Chris Weidman On Short Notice
by Matthew Roth on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM EST
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Tuesday afternoon it was announced that Mark Munoz had sustained an arm injury in training and that Michael Bisping would face Chael Sonnen for a number one contender's match for the middleweight title. After the initial shock wore off fans and media were left asking: what about Demian Maia? Maia's management was adement that he'd still fly to Chicago in hopes that the UFC would find a replacement. Well that didn't take Joe Silva and the UFC to long as Dana White has formally announced that Demian Maia would face Chris Weidman on January 28th.
The tweet said the following:
3rd fight in the FOX Jan 28th is Maia vs Undefeated Chris Weidman.
Dana confirmed with a fan that Palhares was offered the fight and turned it down. Belcher was never an option because he is hurt.
Full tweet after the jump...
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Dana White 3rd fight in the FOX Jan 28th is Maia vs Undefeated Chris Weidman!!!
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His passport is expired.
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When has he ever let time expiring stop him from cranking a leg.
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by Sam Cupitt on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Found this gem yesterday, thanks for the perfect opportunity to share it.
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by pdl on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Don’t know how it works in Brazil, but in America, you can get a passport renewed in less than two weeks. It probably has more to do with his constant training as mentioned by his manager in the link posted below.
by Pantherhare on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is 11 days
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Alan Belcher is injured?
The MMA gods are extremely cruel if this is true. Belcher’s a champ
by MostDiabolicalCasanova on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
your name is very interesting
i feel like ive seen it before somewhere…
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by milk72 on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah this is the first I heard of a new Belcher injury
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by biggant on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by MostDiabolicalCasanova on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Weidman is a beast. Facing Maia on short notice is almost a win/win situation; if he wins then he’s an instant star, if he loses nobody will think less of him and he’ll still get the exposure. For a keen BJJ player with developing stand-up (and awesome wrestling), facing someone like Maia is probably a pretty good way to find out what you need to work on.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I was hoping for TOquinho, but Weidman is a great choice too!
Its a win/win for him, and a big chance to step into the limelight.
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Not sure it's a win-win.
Reminds me of when Ben Saunders stepped in to fight Fitch.
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The difference is Saunders had lost two fights ago
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by SSreporters on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
True.
But “too much too soon” has been the downfall of a lot of promising careers.
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Thankfully, Demian isn't the kind of guy to ruin a fighter.
He’s not going to hit him that hard and he won’t embarrass Weidman so badly that he’s broken. The dude even says he likes to win fights without hurting his opponent.
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…..or he is going to open as a 2-1 favorite.
by Snake_Pliskan on Jan 18, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I can see this fight decided on the feet
It’s an interesting style matchup. I can’t really see Maia taking Weidman down unless he pulls guard, and while Weidman can probably take Maia down, I don’t think it’s wise for him to do so. I think that in the end, this fight will be decided on the feet.
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by chrisbboy82 on Jan 18, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
They don't do a good job of developing prospects
And this is excellent evidence of that fact.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100%
Weidman should’ve been matched with 3 or 4 more low to mid level fighters before a guy like Maia. He hasn’t learned all of the skills he could’ve at this stage in his career, especially the striking aspect.
by amendamatrix on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
And this is part of a larger pattern on the UFC’s part – setting up Rory McDonald with Carlos Condit in his second UFC fight, Phil Davis and Rashad Evans, the list goes on and on.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
And what's the counter-narrative?
The UFC has done a fantastic job building prospects, as evidenced by the sustained success of… Brandon Vera? Charles Oliveira? Ricardo Funch? TJ Waldburger?
Some prospects work out and some don’t. That’s the nature of being a prospect. The UFC hasn’t established a solid track record of building fighters at an appropriate pace.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jones, Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos
Alexander Gustafsson, Johny Hendricks….they all seem to be working out fine.
Some guys are destined to reach the top and some aren’t…the UFC isn’t designed to give you the easiest path to the top, to pad your record and prop you up to somehow seem better then you are…they test you, some people pass most of the tests, some don’t
Also….just because a prospect gets a tough fight and loses once doesn’t mean they are wrecked…plenty of young guys bounce back great after their 0 goes.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rory mac is looking pretty solid right now
that loss seemed to have motivated him further as well
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The guys who just seem to be working fine were some of the only prospects that were developed properly.
Velasquez – Signed to the UFC ater two fights, was given 5 fights against low to mid-level guys like Jake O’brian, Ben Rothwell, and Brad Morris before fighting someone like Big Nog.
Jon Jones – Same situation as Velasquez, was given 6 different fights against mid-level people of varying styles before getting his contender level fight with Ryan Bader, who was also developed the same way.
These guys reached the top because they weren’t thrown into the fire before they got a chance to develop themselves and round out there skills. Charlie Breneman is the perfect example of a guy that got pushed to quickly after narrowly beating Rick Story, who fought on short notice, back in June last year. He clearly wasn’t ready to face Rumble, you could see it in the fact that the man had almost zero striking skills in his prior bouts, and was as one-dimensional as a wrestler could be, so he had no business fighting a bigger, stronger, more well-rounded wrestler at that point.
The thing I hate most about the poor development of MMA prospects in the UFC is that these guys get a lot of hype if they narrowly beat a more established fighter, but many people on sites like these don’t actually use their eyes and see the deficiencies in their skills to reasonably say “Hey, XXX did a great job in that fight with an established vet, but I saw that his striking and/or grappling needs some more work before I’d like seem him get more fights at the higher end of the division.” Once a guy beats someone who is on the cusp of title contention, usually there is no turning back after that. The last guy I recall who got throttled down in competition after a big win was JDS when he KOed Werdum, and look where he is now, he’s champion.
by amendamatrix on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Jones was given Stephan Bonnar pretty early
I think he was 3 fights into his deal and he was a moderate underdog to Bonnar. IIRC he took that fight on short notice too.
True, but Bonnar was a mid level LHW who hadn't fought in a year prior to the fight.
After that fight, Jones was back to fighting Jake O’brian, then another good mid level guy in Matt Hamill.
None of the guys Jones fought prior to Bader were close, meaning 1 or 2 good wins, away from a title shot at the time he fought them.
by amendamatrix on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Rumble Johnson
Pushed too fast. TWICE. Chewed up and spit out by the machine. He could have been a huge draw if they brought him up right. He’s mostly to blame for he ridiculous weight cuts, but still…
Almost being the key term there
And then he took about fifty unanswered blows to the head at the end of the third round.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
But in the end Carlos Killed Rory
It was a good day and a pleasant end to a largely unsatisfying PPV
by andrew i on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alex Gustafsson, Cain Velasquez, and Jon Jones seem to be doing alright.
But as a general rule, you’re right.
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They've done Gustafsson right
But Jones and Velasquez are pretty extreme outliers. Jones made it to the UFC three months after he started fighting, and heavyweight is so thin that it’s much different than every other weight class.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Gustafsson is actually getting the Jones treatment.
Which is what all prospects, especially those 26 and under, should be receiving. A guy who’s fresh out of college wrestling shouldn’t be in the mix for a title shot in less than three years, unless they fight as many times a year as Donald Cerrone did in 2011.
by amendamatrix on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
Preparing for Maias guard game and ever improving kickboxing is a daunting task. Wiedman doesn’t have anything Maia hasn’t seen before and figured out. Weidman is extremely talented, but I don’t see him getting past Maia. Wish he had a full camp to prepare.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maia will have to get this on the ground first and Weidman ismore accustomed to people pulling guard that most with a wrestling background.
I expect this to be a stand-up match a la Maia v. Miller.
by HonorableJudgeIto on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Either way Maia wins. I think his kickboxing is better than Wiedmans.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But we’ve already seen Weidman make rapid improvements between his three UFC fights so who knows how good he is by now? Also, I’m not convinced Weidman will have to keep the fight standing to win.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maia held his own against Munoz and beat Sonnen, who in my opinion is the best wrestler in MMA. Weidman doesn’t have anything Maia hasn’t seen. And 2 weeks isn’t enought time to prepare for him.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nitpicking
He’s good at Greco-Roman. Not exactly Judo, but his trips ARE good.
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by halitosis on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you!!!!
Not every trip is judo. Although if it’s a trip, it ain’t G-R, either. Freestyle is what he uses.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 18, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sonnen is by FAR a better MMA wrestler than Jones
I think Jones is definitely up there, but Sonnen is one of the best MMA wrestler ever. Few men can do what he does, and the man is consistent.
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by Chad Raynard on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Their wrestling games are very different
Jones uses strips and throws from the clinch, while Sonnen clinches then changes levels for the double or single.
by discoandherpes on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Weidman doesn’t have anything Maia hasn’t seen
BJJ chops to go with his wrestling base?
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even think this fight goes to the ground much, but Maia has better striking and will be able to utilize it to win a decision.
I dont think Wiedman isn’t talented, I think he’s great. But 2 weeks isn’t enough time to prepare. And Maia has the edge in experience.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Maia's the rightful favourite
But I do think Weidman has a chance. If Maia’s winning the striking exchanges I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see Weidman take it to the ground and doing reasonably well.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
your right, Weidman is no joke and this is a win win situation for him and great exposure on fox
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by biggant on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this was my thought as well, as long as Weidman doesn't get KO/Subbed in the 1st round in highlight fashion
If he can show that he can at least grit it out with the top tier in this division
by squaresphere on Jan 18, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Because his submission defense has nothing to do with his wrestling.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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by Rob Young on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hmmm
I’m not convinced Weidman will have to keep the fight standing to win.
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not a crazy idea
Munoz did an excellent job of shutting down Maia’s half guard game punished the body.
Weidman went to ADCCs in 2009 with one year of BJJ training and gave Galvao a hard match. The kid can straight up grapple, if he can lock down a good strong half guard, he could wear Maia down.
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Please refrain from ruining my lame trash talk with your logic.
I know Weidman is good, but didn’t he end up getting posterized by Maghalaes in that ADCC? It’s just a huge step up, which rarely turns out well. If he can beat Maia, then he’s ready for prime time for sure.
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On short notice
I think it will be too much, I think with a full fight camp to prep he could give Maia a hell of a fight. He might still…
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I think the short notice favors Weidman
Maia was not training for a wrestler. This is another Charlie Brennaman situation, imo.
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by KGNLuc on Jan 18, 2012 5:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if Weidman wants to keep the fight standing and strike
then it is the fight Maia was preping for anyway. if weidman wants to take him down, then the fight is in Maia’s wheel house. Maia’s halfguard sweeps and attacks really requires time to prepare for as opposed to Rick Story who hates being on his back and was counting on being the better wrestler in his match.
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He did get posterized, but so did Pe De Pano. Getting caught with a flying armbar like that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not a great grappler.
As T.P. mentioned above, he gave Galvao a really, really hard match earlier in the tournament. I think that was a much better indicator of his grappling skills.
He's a prodigy for sure.
So is Maia though.
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by Sweet Scientist on Jan 18, 2012 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
With that said, it might be too soon for Weidman to take on a guy like Maia.
Lawlor to Maia is a huge step up.
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by Sweet Scientist on Jan 18, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
Enjoy it while you can.
Based on the last event’s scores, you won’t be there long.
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Serra better sharpen Weidman’s sub defense.
Although I sense this will be a striking match
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That's the way I envision this
I don’t see it going to the mat unless Chris wants it there. Maia has sharpened up his striking, but I feel Weidman can at least outpoint him.
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We also gotta remember that Weidman is coming in on 2 weeks notice.
If his cardio holds up it will be an interesting fight for sure.
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Same notice he had for his debut and he outlasted Sakara.
And he had a broken rib going in to that fight too, so he was out of the gym mostly. Weidman is a scary athlete.
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Demian Maia is way more skilled than Sakara
Specially on the ground since Weidman relied on his wrestling when he was tired.
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Maia grapples at quite a high pace too, once he gets a hold of someone.
Not much stalling from him.
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Weidman TKO 1st
He is going to surprise a lot of people.
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Shame Palhares couldn't do,
But as long as Maia wins this, Palhares/Maia will be a great title contender match.
Agree on Palhares
But as for the title shot, I think Vitor needs to be in contention, as well as Munoz. But Palhares v Maia would be great. I’ve wanted to see that one for a few years now.
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Truly disappointing...
That fight would have been epic… Id go with Tree Stump purely because of his retard strength lol
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by Ricardo Arguello on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
I guess we should just stop having middleweight fights
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Kinda weird that the only two compelling matchups for Anderson...
Are both fighting in Bellator…. Meaning Lombard and Falcao,
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Chael Sonnen and Paul Harris have much more of a shot of winning than Lombard and Falcao.
by discoandherpes on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I dont doubt that...
But they dont really intrigue me as much, Sonnen had his chance and failed to an injured Anderson and Palhares would probably beat himself lol
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I could see the case for Lombard, but Falcao? He’s not really that great.
by discoandherpes on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
Falcao to me seems like a guy that wouldnt back down to Anderson's striking.
Im not saying he’d beat Silva but id like to see what would happen if you put those two in the octagon.
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This card got a whole lot better....
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Are people forgetting?
Weidman held his own at ADCC against Galvao. Obviously Maia and Galvao are two different type of BJJ players but I don’t think it’s a guaranteed submission for Demian if goes to the ground.
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It never is, when's the last time Maia submitted someone in the UFC?
There’s no doubt Maia is an exceptional grappler, but he’s not been a submission machine lately.
Maia's UFC career
Started off with three RNCs and two triangles, was knocked out by Marquardt and then went 4-2 in six consecutive decisions.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I use to like Maia but now he is so boring. His stand up is not very good(its better than his early fights but has plateaued) and he no longer subs people, before he was all about the ground game, even pulling guard to get the fight to the ground.
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so the Munoz fight was boring? pretty sure it got fight of the night and Maia was robbed in that fight anyway.
by nickrodamous on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
fucking a he was.
It was, at worst, a 10-10 3rd round. How anyone could see that round for Munoz is stupefying to me.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
so, using the parlance of Kefka...
this is a plateau, yes?:
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Were you trying to argue against my post, because you just gave facts to support it.
4-2, 6 consecutive decisions.
He’s not exactly like Palhares where he’s ripping limbs off in round 1 any more.
Not arguing either way
Just pointing out his strange UFC career that started with 5 subs and (so far) ended with 6 decisions with a KO loss sandwiched in between.
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by wonderfulspam on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
The reason for that is everyone(except Munoz) has gone on full defensive mode when he takes it to the ground
He even tries to bait people into stuff, but they just lay there and try to not get submitted.
by HaterSlayer on Jan 18, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this^
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Weidman is extremely talented. But I don’t think he’s ready for Maia.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s a big leap in opposition. hope he’s up to it.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Big fan of Weidman
But Maia is a BIIIIGGGG jump up compared to Tom Filthy Lawlor.
Would have liked to see him get another fight before challenging a top 10 MW
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I'd rather see Maia/Sonnen and Bisping/Weidman
but I get why they did it the other way around.
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Well I just saw a promo with Melvin Guillard
But it was a marathon of his fights to counter-program UFC on FX
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by halitosis on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Weidman has this fight, What has Maia done lately to make anyone think otherwise? Sure he had one good round against Munoz but so did Kendall Grove. Weidman won’t get subbed or out grappled, Maia’s stand up is improving but so has Weidmans. I’m hoping the odds are as biased as the opinions on here.
Do you really think Maia can't outgrapple Weidman?
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by Sweet Scientist on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
Weidman will pull off the upset
ill sig bet it. hes got the wrestling to keep it standing, if it does go to the ground he has the jiu jitsu to avoid being subbed, and i think he is all around more athletic than maia. itl be a close decision fight but i think he guts it out ftw.
plus maia has failed to impress with his main weapon as of late. now that his striking has plateaued he needs to go back to focusing on his submissions again or all he is going to be is another MW gatekeeper.
Probably because he competed at the ADCCs
after only a year of training BJJ and made it to the quarter-finals in one of the most stacked divisions, where he suffered a very close points loss to Andre Galvao, one of the best pound-for-pound submission grapplers in the world.
He is coming in on two weeks notice. His cardio might not be up to snuff for a fight, which could leave openings for Maia.
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Oh certainly. I was more
responding to claims that Weidman in general isn’t in Maia’s league on the ground, when he’s done very well in the no-gi grappling arena.
by Scott Haber on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Beating Daniel Tabera != Maia's no-gi record.
Weidman is skilled, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."
Doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be in better shape
There are guys who benefit from shorter training camps because they are less prone to over training.
by discoandherpes on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking about having this as the replacement fight
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You obviously then texted Joe Silva, yes?
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am Joe Silva.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Jan 17, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How does it feel to be four feet tall?
by av1o3 on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's quite generous
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by halitosis on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I want to see Joe Silva
congratulate Big Foot after a win.
This has the potential to be similar to the Munoz - Maia bout.
Should be interesting to see if a) Weidman can keep it standing, and b) if he doesn’t, how good his jitz really is. No offense to Weidman, but subbing Jesse Bongfeldt and Tom Lawlor isn’t exactly top tier gold. But good for Weidman that he gets the opportunity. However, I’d bet on Maia.
No offense to Weidman, but subbing Jesse Bongfeldt and Tom Lawlor isn’t exactly top tier gold
Being invited to the ADCC’s and only letting Andre Galvao scrape by you on 4 points is a lot more impressive than subbing Bongfeldt and Lawlor. Then again, MMA BJJ isn’t the same as pure BJJ, but Maia has struggled to finish lower-level grapplers than Weidman in recent fights.
That's because he hasn't tried to submit people in his recent fights
he tried against Munoz but it’s hard to submit that guy.
He was all over Grove and Miranda on the ground,
but never got the tap. I wouldn’t say he “wasn’t trying”…It’s not like he was just stalling and holding position, but these days if your opponent has decent defensive grappling, it’s very difficult to get the tap if they just shell up on the ground and go into lock-down mode.
by Scott Haber on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
for some reason all I remember from those fights were the bad stand up.
I think Weidman makes quick work of Maia, personally. I haven’t been impressed by Maia in like 3 years, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he even got subbed by Weidman. Awesome fight. I’m much more interested in Bisping/Chael and Maia/Weidman than I was the original fights. Munoz getting injured made this card a lot better. Can’t wait!
I wouldn’t be surprised if he even got subbed by Weidman.
Dude – time to put down the Kool Aid.
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by POW on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Unreal
Mike Massenzio's left MCL, ACL and PCL
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by Charles Awad on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, nobody thought Machida would get subbed by Jones, and it happened, and in spectacular fashion! This is MMA, anything can happen. And Weidman has shown an ability to get odd subs. Who knows, it might just happen.
so your comparing Weidman to Jon Jones?
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
Even Jon Jones wasn’t Jon Jones at some point… All I’m saying is that Weidman has been impressive recently with his subs, while Maia, as good as he is, hasn’t subbed anyone in over 2 years. All I’m saying.
BJJ is not submission
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
by Henrique on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so Weidman taps two guys
who don’t really train BJJ.
Maia positional dominates BJJ black belts, and he is the one who is slipping?
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
You just don't understand how good Maia's BJJ is
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
In every single of his victorys, except for the Dan Miller fight, for the most part
BJJ is not just submissions, you know?
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
Someone with good wrestling skills usually nullifies the other aspects of BJJ like guard passes, sweeps, etc. Weidman is a great wrestler, and he’s quickly picked up submission skills. I think it’s more likely that he subs Maia than the other way around just because of his strong wrestling base.
because the submission grappling world
isn’t full of wrestlers who train a little BJJ?
they are everywhere. To become a no gi world champ you have to be able to deal with that style.
I don’t think Maia is a lock to win because I question his strength and stamina, but Weidman isn’t going to just punk Maia on the ground.
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
I just said that above… Maia is too small for Weidman. He should fight at 170lbs, not 185lbs. I’ve been saying that for a long time.
that I agree with
Maia is not a physical style of BJJ, and that flowing styling can work in MMA but it is very tough.
Personally I think Maia needs to strength train a bit more, and develop some more power on his GNP. The biggest reason guys can lock down and just defend submissions against him is because he doesn’t really hurt guys with his strikes on the ground. Powerful GNP opens up chances for submissions.
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
I'd love to know which wrestling coaches teach guard pass defense.
"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."
He'll be defending against the best half-guard in MMA then...
That’s a big step from Filthy Tom, and a very different threat than Galvao.
"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."
Why the HELL was Weidman opening as a -325 favorite in some Vegas betting odds?
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If that is not a mistake
Bet on Maia.
by discoandherpes on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
3 years ago, 2/21/2009, Maia did this
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
by Henrique on Jan 18, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hmmm since 2009
Maia has gone 5-3, so yeah… he sucks….
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
And of those 3 losses
One was a flash KO, other was to the best fighter of all time, and the third one he should have won.
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by Henrique on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Anderson Silva, top #1 fighter in the world
Has victories over Thales Leites, Patrick Cote, James Irvin, Nate Marquardt, Travis Lutter…
All fighters that are not in the UFC anymore. That’s not Anderson’s fault.
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
Hey, I’m with you… most of Anderson Silva’s opponents have been horrible. But that doesn’t change the fact that Maia doesn’t have a single good win in the last 3 years… am I supposed to be impressed by him beating guys like Miller, Branch or Grove? Seriously?
welcome to the Middleweight division
Look at Chael Sonnen’s wins from the last four years and tell me how many of those guys are wins you’d be impressed by or guys that are still in the UFC?
you’ll likely come around to maybe 2 or 3
there is Anderson Silva and then like 4 to 5 guys that are a cut above the rest but below Andy. Maia beats he mid-level guys and is competitive and can beat the upper tier guys which puts him in that tier.
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
Okami and Marquardt are better wins than anything Maia’s ever done in the UFC, including him beating Sonnen himself a few years ago. And I say that because Okami and Marquardt were clearly top 5 guys at the time Sonnen beat them, while Sonnen himself wasn’t ranked very high when Maia beat him. If that makes any sense.
Sonnen has been the same fighter for years
Maia beat the same Sonnen that beat Okami and Marquardt and that gave Andy Silva four hard rounds.
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
Disputing quality of wins doesn't really explain why Weidman should be a favourite
Since his main claim to fame is apparently losing gallantly to Andre Galvao at ADCC.
"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."
So...
beating Santiago (BJJ black belt), Sonnen, Miller (BJJ black belt), Miranda (BJJ black belt) and Grove – and this list should include Munoz too < Sakara, Bongfeldt, Lawler, 4 scrubs and Daniel Tabera at ADCC?
Riiiiiggghhhttttt.
"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."
that screams immediate betting. Lines are gonna move big, if thats the initial line. C’mon, the one taking a fight in short notice is Weidman, and he is primarily a wrestler-ground fighter. I dont see in which aspect he has got the edge besides wrestling. And Maia can be a nightmare on the ground, even if he does not submit anybody since 2009.
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Despite all this underdog talk
Weidman is actually favored pretty generously in this fight (at least for now). Bodog has him at -225 right now, while Sportsbook has him at -200.
[odds as of 9:05 EST]
if I was a gambler
I would put money on Maia who I hate as much as some if you hate Bisping
by Sonnens Political Adviser on Jan 18, 2012 9:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He's Sonnen political adviser
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
by Henrique on Jan 18, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This should be a fun fight.
I’ll be happy for whoever takes the win and on top of that getting to see Bisping and Chael both lose in the near future. As in one will lose on the UFC on Fox 2 card and the winner will be smashed by Anderson come summertime (or whenever that fight takes place).
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by NickRingp4pGOAT on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions
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