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Dan Miragliotta and the Johnson-Belfort Debacle

I don't want to be this guy. I hate to be this guy. But right now, I have to be this guy.

Why do we even call this sport "mixed martial arts?" In theory, it's because anyone that steps into the cage will be allowed to use any kind of martial arts technique that they desire, whether they have formal training in that martial art or not.

Dan Miragliotta, however, clearly disagrees with this position.

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No, you're not drunk. I am this good-looking.

by IKiIIed007 on Jan 15, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

"Referees: Stop standing fights up! STOP"

No. Just… No.

Although the stand ups were fairly quick, I dont think they were unwarranted. Johnson, when he go the fight down, did NOTHING. I saw his take downs as more of ‘I need a rest’ than ’Im gonna go for some GnP or a sub(lol).

by Ricardo Arguello on Jan 15, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

Johnson was not working.

He didn’t throw a strike for about 20 seconds or more before the first stand up. That’s stalling, pure and simple. He’s lucky he wasn’t in PRIDE, or he’d be looking at a yellow card deduction to his purse on top of the penalty for missing weight.

"Nothin' wrong with an ass whuppin' every now and then. You take away the ass whuppin's and what do you get? You get people wearin' pants below their belly buttons. I'm tellin' you, you go out these days and see the crack of a young lady's butt. It's crazy, man. They should be locked up for indecent exposure. Look here. See? Suspenders! And a belt! I ain't takin' no chances."

by VenusBlue on Jan 15, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Second stand up was questionable, the first one justified.

by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He warned Johnson

and Johnson still did nothing. Refs have to referee in context. He knew Johnson was gassed to all living hell, and he wasn’t going to do anything in guard.

by juanchoD on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

but Vitor was working an offensive guard

He was in the process of locking up a high guard and working for a submission. Top fighter activity isn’t all the matters.

Stand ups suck in general but that fight was just awful.

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by T.P. Grant on Jan 16, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s weird though. Judges don’t reward offense if you’re on your back, so the current judging mentality hurts guys being aggressive and working from their back. Vitor could have easily won the round off of his back because he was far more active, but we all know he wouldn’t of, so standing him up is kind of fair.

I don’t know. I’m going to bed. This is confusing me.

by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

Unless the guy on the bottom of in a position to win the fight from there he should not be penalised for being active.

by taptomyarmbar on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This x1000

Jordan Mein, Miguel Torres and Gegard Mousasi would agree too.

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by Snatchl on Jan 16, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

and he allowed Johnson some 30 seconds each time to do something with the position but Johnson was going nowhere and given the ever increasing tally of boring LnP fights this actually comes as an improvement of refereeing in my book. How else would you fight stalling if the judges almost universally ignore offense off the back and so many wrestlers make it their prime strategy to LnP. I think standing fight up after 30 seconds or 1 minute of inactivity from the top in the guard position is a good strategy to keep the action going and punish stalling

by Derrida on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Subconsciously Tan Dan was standing them up a bit quick due to Rumble’s ridiculous weight debacle? Because that was way quicker than normal. Prob pissed him off someone missing weight that much.

by taptomyarmbar on Jan 16, 2012 5:43 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Dan did an excellent job in this fight and every ref should do the same. The moment the fighter on top takes a “breather”, it’s time to stand them up. Lay & pray has to disappear from this sport, and quick stand ups is one way to achieve that goal.

by Shnak on Jan 16, 2012 7:41 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well, it has to start somewhere…

When the guy on top clearly wants to work through his opponent’s defense/holding him down tactics to do some damage or advance his position, give him all the time he needs. But as soon as he puts his head down on his opponent’s chest to recuperate for even 2 seconds, stand them up. The time to recuperate is between rounds, not in your opponent’s guard.

by Shnak on Jan 16, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

For sure. Rumble was clearly looking for a rest even if the standups were a bit quick

by taptomyarmbar on Jan 16, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

definitely…lay and pray is just nonsense and boring

by phantom5691 on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Sometimes you have to stop working to wait for an opening. Not everything is lay and pray.

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 16, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

But in Rumble’s case, it was. He was completely gassed 2 minutes into the fight and wanted to catch his breath.

by Shnak on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

"Catching your breath" isn't lay and pray.

It’s catching your breath. How is that any different from a guy who gets rocked, and shoots for a double (knowing he’ll never get it, just using it to recover)?

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're shooting a double

you’re working. When you’re using lay n’ pray, you’re not working.

by juanchoD on Jan 16, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson was going body/body/head, then rest. Same deal

"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro

by sklart on Jan 16, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If you get rocked and shoot for a double, you’re in defensive mode hoping to survive… if your in your opponent’s guard and catch a breath, you’re not in defensive mode, you’re in “I didn’t train enough and need to take a breather” mode. Big difference.

by Shnak on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Dana and Tan Dan punishing the fatties

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by menckenstein on Jan 16, 2012 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

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