UFC 142 Results: Clarifying The Rule On Strikes To The Back Of The Head
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No -- this is not another seething diatribe insisting that the rule on illegal strikes to the back of the head needs to be clearly defined in order to end the perpetual confusion. This is a reminder that the illegal strike zone has been quite concisely clarified since the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions) published their official report on MMA's Unified Rules after their annual meeting in New Orleans in 2008.
Referee Mario Yamasaki is now embroiled in controversy after determining that Erick Silva utilized illegal strikes in his fight-finishing flurry of Carlo Prater at UFC 142 RIO: Aldo vs. Mendes. Because Yamasaki interpreted that one or more of Silva's punches fit the description of an illegal blow to the back of Prater's head, Silva was disqualified for the unintentional foul(s) and Prater was awarded the win by DQ.
Two distinct questions have arisen from the bout's contentious outcome:
- Exactly what constitutes an illegal strike to the back of the head?
- Was Yamasaki's assessment and subsequent ruling correct or incorrect?
While I will address both points, please understand that the second topic is inherently subjective while the first is black and white -- the guidelines for illegal strikes are either in place or they're not, and they are indeed. Each year, the ABC hosts a convention where personnel from the individual state athletic commissions are invited to discuss and review their rules and regulations for boxing and mixed martial arts.
For MMA, the unified rules serve as an approved foundation for the rules, regulations, medical requirements, and general procedures as they pertain to officials, fighters and promoters. The key phrase there is "foundation": because each athletic commission is governed by the laws and statutes of the specific state they represent, they have their own set of guidelines but they are all intended to be closely based on the original backbone of the unified rules.
However, minor deviations can and do exist: the state of California has their own method of prioritizing the scoring criterion, the state of New Jersey features a unique "sliding scale" for emphasizing striking vs. grappling based on how much fight-time occurred standing vs. on the floor, and the state of Nevada has provided additional guidelines for referee stand-ups and submissions.
The two images in the graphic atop this article were copied and enlarged from the ABC's 2008 report, which can be easily referenced and even downloaded for safekeeping. The images depict the exact boundaries on the head where it is legal and illegal to land strikes. The notion that this rule is an undefined and ongoing perplexity is a fallacy.
Continued in the full entry.
SBN coverage of UFC 142 RIO: Aldo vs. Mendes
The following passage is the committee's written conclusion on the back of the head rule from page 9 of the 2008 report:
Illegal Strikes to the Back of the Head-
The Committee has found a compromise between the Mohawk definition and the headphones definition. The Committee recommends a nape of the neck definition.
Basically, the group concluded that a strike that touches the ear is generally acceptable. Strikes are not permissible in the nape of the neck area up until the top of the ears. Above the ears, permissible strikes do not include the Mohawk area from the top of the ears up until the crown of the head. The crown of the head is found where the head begins to curve.
In other words, strikes behind the crown of the head and above the ears are not permissible within the Mohawk area. Strikes below the top of the ear are not permissible within the nape of the neck area.
With question number-one behind us, allow me to speculate on referee Mario Yamasaki's conclusion that Silva's punches were illegal.
At this stage in the sport, the margin of error associated with making live-time decisions in such a lightning-paced sport will always be subject to human error. Last night, Yamasaki was forced to make the call without a monitor and without viewing the slow-motion replay of the sequence in question. As the only other person in the cage with the competitors, Yamasaki had a genuinely unique perspective that none of us can understand -- who knows what it looked like from whatever particular angle he was at when the blows in question took place.
What I do know is that Yamasaki was not out of position during the finish and that -- again, in the context of real-time -- he was far from out of line in his final decision. The viewers have all been tainted with the luxury of reviewing the flurry several times, in slow motion and from the most ideal camera angle. Our frame of reference bears little to no similarity with Yamasaki's.
Therefore, the question I ask myself is, "Is it conceivable that the punches could have been illegal in real time?" While many will disagree, it's entirely conceivable that the blows were illegal. It's unfair to knock Yamasaki for the call when none of us can speak from his perspective and, more importantly, when fighter safety will always be the paramount responsibility of the referee.
To summarize, in this day and age of technology, a human being should not be burdened with making such a crucial judgment under such extreme duress. The answer? It already exists.
Propagated by the Anthony Johnson vs. Kevin Burns and Mirko Filipovic vs. Mustapha Al-Turk bouts, in which it was determined (after the fact) that an unintentional eye-poke played a crucial role in the outcome, the instant replay rule was implemented in certain states. It began in 2009 in the state of Nevada and, to my knowledge, is also available in New Jersey and California.
Instant replay can be instituted in only one circumstance: when the referee suspects that a foul may have influenced the outcome of a fight that has already been stopped. Here is Nevada's description of the instant replay rule:
"A referee at the conclusion of a contest or exhibition stopped immediately due to an injury to an unarmed combatant pursuant to NAC 467.718 and after making a decision, may view a replay if available in order to determine whether the injury in question was caused a legal blow or a foul."
Safety is the sole reason why MMA has been able to surge forward, shed the ghastly image of "human cockfighting" and be accepted as a mainstream sporting competition. That's why I'll always give MMA's officials a considerable amount of leeway when they err on the side of fighter safety in split-second decisions made in the heat of battle.
However, since "better than safe than sorry" is not always 100% accurate or fair to the fighters, the instant replay rule is in place to compensate for live-time judgments. That way we uphold the cardinal directive of fighter safety but also have the fallback option to scrutinize things with the best technology available. Unfortunately, since the unified rules only apply in the states and the UFC had ventured to Brazil, instant replay was apparently unaccounted for.
MMA is still a young sport that will never be perfect, so continuous improvement is what we should all promote. Live and learn. Dana White spoke with MMA Junkie and revealed that the UFC is open to reviewing an appeal from Silva and also stressed the need for instant replay, leading me to believe that justice will be served and plans will be made to avoid calamity in the future.
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I don't think the Erick DQ was justified, but fighters should be weary of finishing guys to the back of the head like Belfort did Akyama and Hendo did Fedor.
At least now guys will have to think about that.
After the strike to the back of the head was when Yamasaki stepped in to stop the fight
since Prater wasn’t able to continue he had to either DQ or NC. I know people are really upset and everything but the bottom line is, he did hit him in the back of the head and Yamasaki.
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Hmm, I saw 2 questionable punches, and as far as Hendo Fedor it was over after the first punch under the chest while he was base building
also nice to see an article that really breaks down the mowhawk / nape of the neck
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST reply actions
Mario made a terrible decision, all he had to do was wait a min or two more and watch the instant replay and then make the decision. I have seen other refs do this even during a fight, I recall Dan M. restarted a fight after watch the replay and seeing that no illegal Knee took place. Just look up at the big screen, its not hard.
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The ref can’t just stop the fight and then mull around the cage waiting for a UFC replay to make the call. He has to decide then and there.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
He had
Already stopped the fight, he could have waited for the replay and then decide whether or not it was a tko or a dq.
by juanchoD on Jan 15, 2012 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's not how it works
The refs make the call live. It stands unless it’s appealed, then it’s reviewed in slow motion to make sure it was the right call. If it wasn’t, it’s changed. That’s it.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s unfair to knock Yamasaki for the call when none of us can speak from his perspective and, more importantly, when fighter safety will always be the paramount responsibility of the referee.
The job of the referee is to get it right. If it’s not right it’s wrong. If a referee makes a wrong call he’s going to get knocked. It may not be fair it may be hard, but, it’s the way it is in every sport. If he doesn’t want to deal with it he should become an accountant.
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that
and let us all know when you continue to disappointed when people aren’t perfect 100% of the time.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry it’s the life of a referee. Watch basketball, baseball, football etc. An ump blows a call at the plate and costs a team a game he gets blasted. A football ref blows a call and costs a team a game he gets blasted. A basketball ref blows a call and gets blasted. See the game recently where Louisiana-Lafayette won a game with 6 players on the floor? Ref’s got blasted for screwing up and costing a team the win.
Maybe in Kindergarten you get credit for not being 100% perfect, but, welcome to real life.
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In real life, the safety of the athletes is not affected by calls in the NFL or MLB
It is in MMA.
Plus, it’s much more common to have the call corrected with an appeal process than it is in your example, making it even more incongruent.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Best gifs I've seen so far of the dq


There’s one that definitely lands to the back of the head, and a number of shots that are more of a grey area. A few punches could be argued hit behind the ears and not above the ears, putting them in the "nape of the neck" territory.
Complicating things further is the fact that these hammerfists weren’t the cleanest shots, a couple land more wrist and forearm than with actual gloves. Also, a few shots might have touched Prater’s ear if his arm wasn’t in the way.
I agree that there’s a lot more middle ground than people are admitting here. It might not have been the right call, but I wouldn’t say it was a horrible call.
by Balrog on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
In the first gif you posted it shows that Yamasaki stepped in after the one that clearly landed in back of the head
which justifies his stoppage.
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In the second gif it looks like 4 back of the head shots in a row
If this situation shows anything, it’s that fighters need to be in control of their attack, and not just go all red mist bezerk.
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by KJ Gould on Jan 15, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
It seems like everyone has been saying that back of the head blows need to be tightened up on.
The gif shows at least some grounds that one could logically construe those as illegal blows. And if that real-time POV is wrong, it will be reviewed by slow motion replays and rectified if necessary.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
I see one clear shot to the back of the head, several shots that hit his shoulder, several punches that are legal and several that are questionable.
I think Yamasaki made two big mistakes.
1) He did not appear to make a disqualification call until well after the fight ended. And the reason he changed the decision did not appear to be based on viewing a replay.
2) DQ-ing someone for one clear blow to the back of the head is FAR outside of rulings by other refs in thousands of fights, including ones reffed by Yamasaki.
I’m fine with clarifying how this rule is interpreted for the future, but this one decision was very unusual considering how many back of the head blows we see with no DQs. It stands out like a sore thumb. Refs have a very difficult job, but I think he made several mistakes here and should be justly criticized.
There's no such thing as a "Disqualification Call"
We need to clear this up because people keep saying that. There isn’t some secret signal for stopping it for illegal blows and a regular stoppage. His #1 priority is to stop the fight when one fighter can’t continue, isn’t defending intelligently, etc. That’s what he did.
He’s perfectly within his rights to wave the fight off and then give his final ruling for the winner announcement. He’s not required to signal a DQ right on the spot what so ever.
I totally agree with #2 though. Consistency is really something that needs to be enforced. As I said, compare the referee stand ups in Vitor x AJ with Woodley x Mein. Those are night and day.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you 100% it wasn't an absolutely horrible call,
i’m just wondering how many people were influenced by joe rogan saying live that he thought
mario had made a mistake,
MY was the one closest to the action, and he had to make a split decision call to stop the fight
based on his perception of an illegal strike
Yeah
Even though Joe said he realized Yamasaki had to make the call in the heat of battle, that was drowned out by his questionable decision to say he thought Yamasaki was in the wrong.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think the direction of the shots played a big part of this
What this action looks like is ‘hammering on the back of his head.’ The exact placement of several of the strikes can be debated, but he was making little if any effort to avoid the back of the head.
Compare to other cases where a guy is flurrying with punches that come in from the side, and as the victim ducks down further some of them may catch the back of the head. While such strikes are still technically illegal, they probably get more leeway because they don’t look like blatant disregard for the rules.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Totally agree
That and the fact that Silva didn’t heed the warning at all but kept flurrying.
I think a minor hesitation showing he’d acknowledged the warning and simply adjusting the trajectory just a tad would have really helped.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The NAC
You didn’t go and read NAC 467.718 did you? It reads:
1. The referee may stop a contest or exhibition at any stage if the referee determines that the contest or exhibition is too one-sided or if either unarmed combatant is in such a condition that to continue might subject the unarmed combatant to serious injury.
2. The referee shall stop a contest or exhibition of unarmed combat at any stage if the referee determines that both unarmed combatants are in such a condition that to continue might subject the unarmed combatants to serious injury. If a contest or exhibition is stopped pursuant to this subsection, the decision shall be deemed to be a technical draw.
But that isn’t the relevant statute. The relevant statute is either
NAC 467.698 Fouls: Intentional. (NRS 467.030)
1. If the referee determines that a contest or exhibition may not continue because of an injury caused by an intentional foul, the unarmed combatant who committed the intentional foul loses by disqualification.
or
NAC 467.702 Fouls: Accidental. (NRS 467.030)
1. If a contest or exhibition is stopped because of an accidental foul, the referee shall determine whether the unarmed combatant who has been fouled can continue or not. If the unarmed combatant’s chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of a foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who was fouled, the referee may order the contest or exhibition continued after a reasonable interval. Before the contest or exhibition begins again, the referee shall inform the Commission’s representative of his determination that the foul was accidental.
2. If the referee determines that the contest or exhibition may not continue because of an injury suffered as the result of an accidental foul, the contest or exhibition must be declared a no decision if the foul occurs during:
(a) The first three rounds of a contest or exhibition that is scheduled for six rounds or les
The key questions is how did Mario make the decision as to whether the strikes were intentional or not?
You think that's my quote?
It’s copied from the BE coverage of the instant replay rule. And they’re all relevant passages and, yes, I’ve read them all.
The DQ indicates he thought they were intentional, which I disagree with, but everyone always shits their pants over live-time decisions even though the post-fight review always rectifies everything (see: Peralta x Semerzier head butt).
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
And I think you're confused
The instant replay description references that passage for how a stoppage is normally handled. Meaning, use the normal rules but instant replay is available if necessary.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I am refering to the instant replay
For the instant replay rule to be applicable, then it has to occur in stoppages that were done to prevent serious injury, not because an injury stopped the fight.
Dude ... what?
A fight is stopped to “prevent serious injury”. You’re trying to make a differentiation that doesn’t exist.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
My word choice was poor
If a fighter is injured and then gets finished by an unrelated blow then it is not subject to review. If a fighter is injured, and then is unable to defend himself, then it would not be subject to this review. Mario would have had to decide that the illegal blow caused an injury and stopped the fight.It is worth noting that the language of the statutes make a difference between concussive blows and injuries. If there was an injury in this fight what was it? A fighter not defending himself does not constitute an injury
The language makes sense since it was implemented due to fights that were stopped due an opponent being injured. The replay can determine the source of the injury. Here the fight was not stopped for an injury.
All untrue
Anytime a foul is suspected to have played into a match, it can be appealed and subsequently reviewed.
The first passage is all about fighter safety — the ref can stop the fight anytime he feels either fighter is at risk of injury. The following two all pertain to whatever determination the ref made that illegal blows played a role in the outcome.
But really, not of that even matters because this fight wasn’t in Nevada, and those are Nevada’s specific rules. It is ASSUMED this event took place under some semblance of the unified rules, but technically the unified rules don’t exist as they’re written … each state has their own wording on their own rules.
Remember there was recently a great spot on Inside MMA about judging where they found out one state had something totally whacked in their rules (I think it was no description for grappling or something).
So everyone has to realize that when Mauro says “the unified rules of MMA are in place for this event”, that’s not exactly true because it’s really whatever rules are spelled out by the state the event takes place in.
This just means that there are subtle but sometimes very important variations in each state’s rules. For UFC 142, I don’t know the specifics of how the UFC handles things that would normally involve a commission in a place without one. We’ve seen that they obviously uphold the weigh in limits and have done drug testing, but I have no clue what the exact set of rules/regs they follow.
From a big picture standpoint though, as long as the outcome is reviewed after the fact and an effort is made for a just outcome, things could be worse. Plus, I reckon they’ll start looking into instant replay more consistently in more places.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
The fight wasn't stopped because of an injury
It was stopped because Silva was punching the dude in the head. Just terrible officiating in this one.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
What's your point?
The risk of excessive injury from punches to the head was why it was stopped. Why are people bringing up this injury thing and acting like it constitutes some different action or outcome?
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't stopped, then a point deducted and so on
It wasn’t stopped like a foul had just occured, Yamasaki waved off the fight. Silva landed an illegal blow (unintentional) then proceeded to land legal (or borderline at worst) blows which led to the end of the bout. Why didn’t he jump in sooner as soon as the first one landed if he was so insistent in strictly enforcing the rule? Because Yamasaki has a reputation for not being in the right position to control what is going on in his octagon.
by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Again
Why would he “stop temporarily to deduct a point” when he’d already decided Prater was DUNZO?
When a fighter can’t continue and illegal blows played a role, you don’t deduct points. You rule it a NC or DQ.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yamasaki...
I dont disagree that there were illegal strikes to the back of Praters head. And i dont agree that Silva should have been Dairy Queen’d … but if it was a foul Yamasaki acted way to late… making his decision unjust.
If it were a foul in Yamasaki’s yes he should have stopped Silva’s barrage of punches when the infraction occured instead of waiting till prater could not have continued. He would have taken a point from Silva, given Prater time to recover and restarted the action shortly after.
Now he clusterfucked himself
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by yellopanda on Jan 15, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You're assuming too much IMO
For all we know, Yamasaki could have decided to stop the fight and also determined the last few blows were illegal in the same span of time. We’re talking about a few seconds of furious punches. Plus, it’s just as likely that he determined Prater was unable continue and that illegal blows played a role in that.
I can’t fathom why people are so eager to finger-point. Who cares if Yamasaki was absolutely and unquestionably WRONG? He did the most important thing, which is to intervene when a fighter is at risk to serious injury and/or not intelligently defending. The stoppage was obviously excellent because Prater turned out to be seriously immobilized by the shoulder injury.
His ruling that the blows were illegal are only in place now. It sounds like the bout will be appealed and reviewed with the benefit of a panel watching replays instead of Yamasaki live, and they will uphold or change it.
This is like people dogging Herb for missing the headbutt, even though no one had a clue until the slow-mo replay. It really doesn’t matter what the ref’s personal take on it is, because it’s controversial enough to warrant review than it will be corrected.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Forgive the shoddy grammar in the conclusion
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
You don't know more about MMA than me
you just act like it.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Vitor’s knockouts of Franklin and Akiyama should deserve the same treatment of review in my opinion than
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That's a legit opinion
Regardless of what end of the spectrum we’ve like it enforced, doing so with consistency and uniformity is the most important.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, sonofabitch has an “a” after the “f”. Man, you really are the worst. Always mailin’ it in, aren’t you? Skipping letters in words just to save yo lazy ass some time.
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by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't he take a point for the shots first?
Then decide if Carlo Prater can continue fighting. It looks like Yamasaki stopped the fight then retroactively dq’d Silva. Not to mention that most of the shots were borderline going into the finish anyway. Guys are going to get hit in the back of the head during a fight. That is never going to change.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he?
Prater was moaning in pain and it was obvious he couldn’t continue. Taking points is for when the fight goes on. It didn’t. Yamasaki determined Prater couldn’t continue, which he doesn’t need the doctor to confirm, and also that he couldn’t continue because of illegal blows.
And no one is saying people aren’t going to get hit in the back of head.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Because it makes sense
Take away a point or declare whether or not the blow was intentional or unintentional (announce it like most officials would), then wave off the fight and you have a no-contest (even though I think Silva was robbed of a win).
by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
A No Contest means the illegal strike was accidental. When Prater has his head down and Silva is just throwing away at the back of his head, I think it’s reasonable to not call that accidental. Was he meaning to punch him directly in the back of the head? No. But was he taking the proper care to make sure he didn’t do that? Certainly not.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 16, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
He was following the rules
If there’s a foul and the fighter can continue, you deduct a point, warn him, etc.
If there’s a foul and the fighter can’t continue, you determine intent and assess a NC or DQ.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Great article
The only complaint I have is that the “mohawk” area can be ambiguous. Even in the graphic they use, the size of the mohawk area is much larger in the side shot than it is in the photo taken from directly behind. This may just be so the area shows up in the side photo, but it is pretty sloppy. Doesn’t help that the dude has an odd looking head.
You are correct that the Association of Boxing Commissions has clarified "back of the head"
But individual state athletic commissions are still giving their referees different definitions. For instance, New Hampshire’s guidelines tell referees simply that “back of the head is the area beyond the ears.”
In Massachusetts, the guidelines say, “back of the head definition = part of glove must touch part of ear to be legal, no targeting centerline back of head.”
Until every athletic commission, the ABC, and all promotions that hire referees outside the purview of commissions are all giving the refs the same guidelines about what constitutes the back of the head, we’re going to have this confusion.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Jan 15, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions
That applies to every rule and regulation though
From scoring to fouls to weigh ins to medicals, every state has differences in their rules. That’s why the Unified Rules are in reality not unified at all. They’re a basic foundation from which everyone constructs their own individual rules.
So the question should be “Why do New Hampshire and Massachusetts deviate from the unified rules for their back of the head rule?” That’s on them and the point is that their rules apply in their states.
There is a distinct explanation and definition in the unified rules for illegal blows to the back of the head. So that’s clear and the question becomes how whoever or whatever the governing body enforces that rule.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right
And that’s where the confusion comes from. Which state’s rules were they using last night? And did Yamasaki, Silva and Prater all know before the fight which state’s rules were being used, and what those rules said about strikes to the back of the head?
by MichaelDavidSmith on Jan 15, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agree entirely
But the back of the head rule is treated differently, more like some kind of undefined mystery, when it falls under the same principles as every other rule/reg. The baseline exists and is clearly defined. I can’t comment on how closely these variances are adhered to but I would certainly hope everything is covered in the pre-event rule meetings.
It’s like when Mauro used to complain that the 5-minute recovery for groin shots was some kind of confusing and unclear guideline. It’s crystal clear in the unified rules but what matters is the housing state’s specific rules on it. I suppose it should be assumed to be in line with the unified rules but, if it’s not published anywhere, the governing commission should be consulted to confirm any deviations.
So, while even the state to state variances can be an issue, this is an anomaly because no one knows exactly what rules/regs are followed for UFC’s with no commission. I ASSUME that Ratner’s role and previous experience comes into play, but I’d like to find out for sure.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope that the refs explain it before the fight when they go over the rules. They did it in the past when every ref was using their own definition, and that seems like something that should be discussed them.
I really can't imagine something this critical
Not being a key part of the pre-fight rules meetings that always take place, and I highly doubt that there’s a variance in big shows for the back of the head rule.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Really easy to play sunday morning QB on this
I don’t blame Mario for the stoppage or the DQ. He has to make that call as it happens. Really easy for the rest of us to watch the slow-mo replays and blame him. I Hope the UFC leaves this alone. I don’t like the idea of the UFC changing records of it’s fighters. If they plan on doing that, they better find an outside panel to do it.
The biggest thing that upset me about this was Joe Rogan. What little respect I had for this chump was lost when he threw Mario to the crowd as the scapegoat to a rabid crowd that was pissed that their home town guy lost. That arrogant punk had no right to put Mario on the spot like he did right after the fight. If that was in the states there is no way he does that. I hope Mario caught Joe in the back after the event and told him what he could do to himself with a rusty fork and then told Dana that is the last time he refs a UFC fight outside the USA.
Within the next two years, Rogan will do/say something that will get him bounced out of the UFC now that FOX is around. He will say something and FOX will not want him on their networks and that will be the end of him.
by San Jose Sharks Fan on Jan 15, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions
Agree with the first half, not with the second
I was going to credit Rogan for being such a straight shooter. Offensive to Yamasaki or not, who I’m surprised was open to being interviewed about it, I’m guessing Rogan was thinking and asking exactly what we all were.
Rogan could have just given a chance for Yamasaki to explain and let it be judged, but — God love him — he added that he thought it was a mistake. And I’m backing Yamasaki here, but I do think it was a mistake. However, he was erring on the side of safety and had the best intentions, and justice will inevitably be served in the review.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 15, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We need guys in combat sports to call bullshit
Same thing with Agbeko vs. Mares. You should call out bad officiating, because a place with an athletic commission will never admit they’re wrong.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
What angered me personally isn't the call itself.
When I saw replays I thought it was pretty clear he whacked Prater in the back of the head a minimum of once and to the neck a minimum of once. A lot of other shots were questionable. I think it was the right move, but I’ve come to expect any decision judges/referees make to be questioned.
It does bother me the venomous nature of this from MMA experts, but it is what it is.
What really angered me was Rogan. By doing what he did, horrifically overstepping his bounds of authority or position is he openly attacked the judgement and call of a referee.
What will happen now is more referees are going to remember what Rogan did and are not going to make this call. We’re going to have more openly flagrant back of the head shots not called. Because, hey, Rogan may not agree and he’ll hold you hostage in front of the world.
by Hawk52 on Jan 15, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The referee made a bad call
So Joe Rogan should call him out. Do you want him to just sit by and not pretend there is controversy? Like I said above, I have the same opinion of Jim Gray blasting Russell Mora.
It was a terrible call. Joe Rogan should have called bullshit on it.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who the hell made Joe Rogen and expert on refereeing an MMA bout
I thought there are commissions and sanctioning bodies but i guess an ex pot smoking comedian with some knowledge of BJJ and TKD is the right guy for the job.
I'm not an expert on boxing or mma either
So I guess I can’t criticize Russell Mora or Steve Mazzagatti right?
Well, you’re not a famous pot smoking comedian with knowledge of BJJ and TKD, so maybe you should stop criticizing Joe Rogan.
by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
no
People are working this whole thing as if the issue is Rogan’s freedom of expression. It’s not.
Criticism goes around and around, and no one – not Yamasaki, not Rogan – is above it. No one knows everything and no one is right all the time.
Joe regularly criticizes what he considers bad calls, as well he should. He can criticize and disagree and pontificate all day long and it’s cool. That is not the issue.
What’s not cool is calling the ref out to his face and asking him to defend his decision while still in the cage. This is unprofessional.
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Pretty much agree 100%
I don’t hold it against Joe because he’s just like a passionate fan with supreme access. I do think he went a little too far by saying he thought it was a mistake.
Can you imagine ANY official having a mic stuck in their face literally a minute or two after making a high-pressure decision, and having their call scrutinized in slow mo?
If anything, I’d like to have seen Rogan do that to some of the judges in atrocious decisions. Yamasaki is one man who is burdened with keeping the fighters safe and the judges just have to sit back and score.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Personally I didn’t love Rogan’s comments, but the other option is a yapping Yes Man who just blindly gives a thumbs up to everything. Which, since the UFC controls the commentary, is entirely possible. I’d rather Joe be able to speak up and say a call was bad in his opinion or that a fight was boring than have a WWF style booth where you can never criticize.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 16, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
i don't think the issue with Joe is his opinion
Rather, it’s not about the binary yes man/truthspeaker thing that people are going on about. Joe should have an opinion. Joe can (and should) act as the voice of the viewer, openly questioning the result of the fight – as we know, he has done this many time before.
What I’ve never seen him do before the other night is pull the ref aside and ask him to publicly defend his decision. IMHO, Yamasaki was well within his rights to give Joe the side eye and walk away without so much as a ‘no comment.’ That he was a mensch enough to talk to Joe afterwards doesn’t mean that Joe deserved the courtesy that he was afforded.
There have been literally hundreds of fucked up calls made by refs – has Joe actually pulled any of them aside in the ring prior to this and demanded that they defend their decisions? What’s next? Is Joe going to roll up on judges when things don’t go the way he (and or ‘the people’) think they should have gone?
I totally agree with Hawk52 – holding Yamasaki out there at the end of the fight may cause more refs not to go with their gut on a call, which means that they won’t be doing their utmost to protect fighter safety. Is that what people want?
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They should get rid of all officials and just let Rogan be referee, judge, and doctor. God knows he’s already acting like it. Then they can rename the promotion “ULTIMATE ROGAN CHAMPIONSHIP – SPONSORED BY DOUCHEFACE BRAVO”
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by Horselover Fat on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get your point, but I just fundamentally don’t agree. If there is a questionable call, it should be OK to question it. And the ref is the man to question. The situation you are describing – no comment, no interview – happened in last year’s Hopkins vs. Dawson boxing fight. Controversial decision, ref refused to speak afterwards, and it was universally looked at as a disaster and a terrible move for him not to talk. Mario made a call, he should be able to defend that call.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jan 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, i like Rogan, i enjoy listening to his podcasts and i like his commenting style but what he did was not something i would call constructive criticism, it was rude and unprofessional, putting Mario on the spot like that in front of a hot crowd.
As for Mario’s call, i personally think it could have gone both ways.
Really?
What Rogan did should be commended! We need to hold these referees accountable for their actions/decisions.
Is butt scooting illegal? Mario Yamasaki seems to think so. (ie: Aoki vs. Melendez)
Is Belfort the only fighter allowed to finish fights with multiple illegal blows? Yamasaki thinks so. (ie: Belfort vs. Akiyama)
Mario Yamasaki has made plenty of suspect calls in the past. And he should be held accountable for them!
Bitch.
by timetosaygoodbye on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions
by a commission
or later, by Dana White (by awarding bonuses as he sees fit).
and by all means, Joe Rogan can criticize and evaluate.
What he cannot be allowed to do is interrogate.
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Agree more with your view on this
I do want to hear more from officials on questionable calls, but on-the-spot grilling is pretty tough. I think after the fact in a more comfortable environment would be better.
by Dallas Winston on Jan 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm very glad
That I’m not the only one that thinks Vitor Belfort’s best finishing move are repeated blasts to the back of the head. I think his victory over Akiyama should be overturned because of it. I haven’t seen his fight against Rich Franklin, so I can’t comment on that.
I’m behind Mario Yamasaki on this one, and I normally don’t think of him as a good ref.
I also believe it should be up to the commission to question the ref, not Joe Rogan, but with the crowd being that vocal, maybe giving the ref a chance to defend their decision isn’t such a bad thing. Joe did give him credit for being in the spot to make the call, but then takes it away by disagreeing.

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