Fighting is just as natural for women.
Sometimes I read something on BE that truly pisses me off. Such was the case only a short while ago. First of all, I want to say that I don't have a problem with another person not finding enjoyment in WMMA. Fine, it's your opinion. We all have things that we like an dislike. I'm not here to say that because I like something, you must. I'll debate your reasoning but I'm not going to be upset with you for having a differing opinion.
That being said, I really am starting to loath people who try to pass of their sexism as some kind fact. There are plenty of perspectives in this debate that I can understand. If your issue with WMMA is that you view women as inferior athletes, and as such would rather watch men fight, that is a valid position. It's also fair to be unimpressed with the depth of the women's weight classes. What I find ridiculous is when people flat out state that women have no place fighting, or that it is us unnatural. That is just plain idiotic. It's not like we're watching prisoners being forced to fight each other for the enjoyment of the guards. These are professional athletes, many of whom have been competing for the majority of their lives and enjoy it.
The problem is that some people confuse nature with the gender roles that humans have created. Yes, women have less testosterone than men do, and are generally less athletic than their counterparts. That doesn't make fighting any less natural or instinctive to females though. In nature, everything has to fight to survive. It doesn't matter what set of genitals you have, the instinct to fight is natural to everyone.
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by dribblebib on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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I agree with most of that. I am so happy that someone else is talking about MMA from the perspective of gender equality. I would go slightly further and say that the “inferior athlete” argument does not apply to MMA as it might to other sports. Frankie Edgar is an inferior athlete to Alaistair Overeem so we have weight classes to separate big guys from small guys. I am really looking forward to seeing Edgar vs Henderson but Overeem would beat either of them pretty easily. Tate vs Kaufman would be great for example, in spite of the fact that Dominic Cruz could kick their arses.
http://jim-ma.blogspot.com/
How is Frankie Edgar an inferior athlete to Overeem
He has better cardio, better technical striking for MMA, a way better chin, better wrestling, ect.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
In the sense that if they competed directly, Overeem would win
I’m guessing, but I bet that’s what Jim means.
Other factors are overshadowed by inherent differences in their bodies, because reem is huge and edgar isn’t, and tate/kaufman are layteez and Tom Cruise Dom Cruz is a man.
This is an oule.
by some schmuck in texas on Jan 15, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well of course
The more rules you add to this sport and go away from old school vale tudo fights, the more weight classes are needed.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I really don’t think any athletic girls have mixed martial artist on their list of aspirations
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What are you even trying to say with that statement?
How many athletes are aspiring to be MMA fighters to begin with. I think it’s a pretty select group of individuals that are willing to going into a cage and have a mock fight to the death with another human being. However, it’s just plain ridiculous to pretend that their is some natural barrier in female genetics that excludes them from violent behavior.
by Warbreezy on Jan 15, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Nine times out of ten, we confuse culture for biology as far as gender is concerned. Even sexual dimorphism (how much bigger men are than women) has a cultural component; you could make the argument that women are systematically discouraged from the kinds of physical activities that encourage muscular growth. When people think about it, though, they automatically go for “women are ‘naturally’ not strong”.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 15, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would make sense as long as we didn't have Women performing the exact same kinds of physical activities that Men do
but we do, and we can see the result. It is clearly not an equal playing field, and without the introduction of synthetic hormones into the equation it never will be.
Culture can indeed influence biology but to ignore the hard facts is a bit silly.
Men are naturally, biologically, more prone to violence and are better suited for it, regardless of whatever influence culture may have.
Take a look at this if you got a few minutes. Very interesting.
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Who gives a shit?
I don’t complain about watching 135 guys fight because they aren’t suited as well to violence(whatever that means) as Junior dos Santos. I enjoy it for what it is, to guys of approximately the same size putting on a fight.
And honestly, I can’t think of a WMMA fight that I’ve watched recently, where the girls haven’t fought their hearts out. And it’s not like they’re fighting for fame or fortune. The best they can hope to achieve at this point in time is to be the champ AND STILL have a regular job. That is dedi-fucking-cation.
When Shoto talks about guys being more ‘suited towards violence’ I think he is referring to the chemical/hormonal differences between genders (not the size of the athlete). Not sure cause I didn’t click the link though
Chemical/hormonal differences
Have a cultural component as well as environmental and genetic origin.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Cultural practices learned in early childhood wire themselves into your brain. Men raised in the south, for example, experience much higher levels of stress hormones, especially cortisol, when confronted with a situation that could potentially involve violence. Long story short, there’s a reciprocal relationship between culture and biology.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You didn't click the link, did you.
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by Shotokanman on Jan 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I did
And while I thought it was interesting, I wasn’t convinced. Why? Because it universalizes the male subject and makes zero attempt to acknowledge that. In modern and postmodern western societies, the piece shows pretty convincingly how socialization processes interact with biology and psychology. That doesn’t mean that men are biologically and psychologically more predisposed toward violent behavior than women; it means that in modern and postmodern western contexts, from which the author draws his evidence, men are more predisposed toward such activities. See the difference? And no, a single reference to the Aztecs and a frankly incorrect reference to Sparta doesn’t count.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There are hundreds of thousands of unique cultures on Earth
Provide one example of a culture where men and women are equally encouraged or expected to be violent or do violent things.
Not that I disagree with you. But if you’re correct there has to be at least of few.
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This is a two-part argument. My main point is that cultural processes influence biology. The second is that the article shotokanman linked to above doesn’t prove that men (universally speaking) are more predisposed toward violence, but that men in modern and postmodern western cultures are since that’s where the author gets his evidence.
As far as finding an example, a feminist historian would tell you that patriarchy has existed in virtually every society since the invention of writing, and that one of the cornerstones of any patriarchal regime is male control over violence; violent women would therefore necessarily be the exception rather than the rule. Here’s one example of violent women, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
a feminist historian would tell you that patriarchy has existed in virtually every society since the invention of writing
There are several significant exceptions.
The Damhomey Amazons were a very small number of elite female soldiers. While that is an example of proficient female warfare, I’m not sure it provides clear evidence of a society or culture that expects violence from the majority of women.
The culture actually has a strange take on sexuality.
The women seem to have in fact considered themselves transformed into men, socially if not physically. At a parade in 1850, in which over 2,000 female soldiers participated, one of them began a speech by saying, “As the blacksmith takes an iron bar and by fire changes its fashion, so we have changed our nature. We are no longer women, we are men.”4 About two-thirds of the soldiers were unmarried, and Burton noted a "…corps of prostitutes kept for the use of the Amazon-soldieresses.
A similar gender switch occurred among some men close to the royal court. Referred to as lagredis, the boys were chosen from among high ranking families and either castrated or given “potions” to feminize them. Richard Burton referred to them as “special slaves of the king, [who] bear the dignified title of royal wives.”These lagredis were as entirely dependent on the king as other wives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey
There are other examples. Shaka Zulu had an army of 10,000 women.
Although, I agree with you to an extent, these a very extreme examples. Context is very important in these instances.
The Zulu were extremely militaristic. They had a standing army of 100,000 and had much success fighting colonial powers. The women may have been fierce, but the boys began mandatory training at 7 and were expected to fight until their 40’s.
The human body is amazing. I believe all people have the ability to adapt over time to circumstances.
It is a fact that our DNA changes due to our environment.
But I also believe that men are much more biologically predisposed to excel at violent things and to also have a higher affinity for them.
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True
As far as equal expectations of violence, there are a couple of Native American groups that come to mind, but they don’t have wikipedia pages and I don’t want to dig out the links to specialist articles.
I just don’t think it’s possible to separate biology and culture when we’re talking about this topic. Even if patriarchal regimes have only been in place for the last four or five thousand years, that’s still enough time for selection processes to have largely weeded out genes associated with violence in women; on the other hand, if women are actively discouraged from engaging in violent activities from a young age while men are encouraged, and hormonal levels reflect those cultural processes to some extent, is it really biology or culture? For example, men have thicker bones than women, but that could be the result of gendered differences in culturally-derived activity patterns (men hunt, women gather, etc., it could be due to genetic and hormonal factors, or some combination of the two. Based on archaeological skeletal remains, it’s a fact that gender dimorphism in bone density varies geographically and temporally.
I honestly don’t know; it seems like a chicken-egg situation. This has been an interesting discussion, and I’ve definitely learned a lot.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
The biological differences between men and women...
…are certainly due to early survival. Women are more biologically valuable then men, women can only reproduce once every 8-9 months, men can reproduce multiple times a day. Therefor women were given less dangerous tasks and were heavily protected. This led to men hunting (very dangerous), being leaner (less body fat), more muscular, and women having more body fat (to live longer when there was no more food), less muscular, and taking on the duties of gathering and child care.
That said, let the ladies fight, they have just as much the right to fight each other as men. To those who find it boring, no one is forcing you to watch.
by OptimusPiss on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Women are more biologically valuable then men,
This is also why the idea of weeding out undesirable females doesn’t make sense.
Early man would have found every woman highly desirable.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Pretty much
I’m sure there are circumstances that existed where a woman wouldn’t be valued (banishment from a tribe, disease, etc.) and these are just the things we can think of. But just because women are predisposed to being weaker then men doesn’t make them less violent. There are societies were a strong and violent woman was valued highly like Sparta, Celtic civilizations, and Germanic civilizations. We know so little about human behavior and human cognition to say that one is more violent then the other. We can look at statistics of this modern era, but as the fighthistorian is arguing, culture and the rules of social interaction play a large role in how humans will interact with one another so it is really hard to say and ultimately we just don’t know.
by OptimusPiss on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I was just stating that there is definitely a biological component when it comes to adaptation and to some extent, inclination to physical violence.
After all, form does follow function.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
That is to say
We know that there is a genetic link to violence or the predisposition to violence.
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Total sidenote
Bantamweights kind of are more suited to violence. I mean, even though JDS has good cardio for a heavyweight, he can’t go five rounds at that speed.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
In an MMA bout or an actual fight? I only ask because there are some fighters who have really bad self defense habits.
by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
Never said it was an even playing field
And sexual dimorphism is present in all species to a greater or lesser extent. What I am saying is that many of the sexual differences we tend to attribute to nature are just as likely to be due to cultural factors.
Men are culturally and socially more prone to violence, regardless of the role that biology has to play in the process. See what I did there?
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 15, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except what you said makes no sense.
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by Shotokanman on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're making the exact opposite argument
And I would counter by saying that what you said makes no sense, but that isn’t going to get us any further. We’re clearly not going to agree on this.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Biology can, and will always exist, without culture being present.
Culture cannot exist without biology.
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by Shotokanman on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I can assure you that far more young boys that are fans of MMA would pursue it than young girls
It is psychological, biological, cultural, and what have you. A boy who has an athlete as their hero will want to be that. A girl either wont watch MMA to begin with, or have no interest in pursuing it. When I can get to a computer I will explain it better.
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by halitosis on Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A boy who has an athlete as their hero will want to be that.
Girls would too if they had enough female athletes to look up to.
by M.Sphinx on Jan 15, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have no way to prove that.
But for a second, I’ll treat your statement as if it were factually true. Why aren’t you acknowledging the role that society plays in that equation? Girls aren’t encouraged to be involved with athletics. They’re lead to believe that men won’t want anything to do with a woman who is assertive or physically capable. Even the girls that do make it into athletics end up being funneled into a few sports.
There are some sports that are more “acceptable” for girls that others, and the ones that are productive for a career in MMA aren’t exactly at the top of the list. I mean Jesus, didn’t Nog say he wouldn’t roll with female students?
So we’re already dealing with a much smaller sample of athletes, AND THEN, we have to find a few who have the guts and determination to willingly step into a cage and come to blows with another person. Of course there are going to be fewer young women looking to get into MMA. However, it’s dishonest to say that it’s because women are just naturally averse to violence or fighting..
I think he does acknowledge society as a component of the equation when he says it’s cultural.
Maybe girls aren’t encouraged to be as athletically involved as men, but I wouldn’t say they aren’t encouraged.
Nog said he wouldn’t roll with homosexual students, I am not sure if he said anything about rolling with women
I could be a little foggy about the Nog details
But I’m pretty sure he said he wouldn’t roll with homosexuals, just like he wouldn’t roll with women.
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by menckenstein on Jan 16, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
No its not
If fighting is just as natural for women then why could I and about 95% of other men beat the living shit out of 99.9% of women?
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Fighting isn't synonymous with winning
Also women invented the “nothing fight”, a fight men can never win. They are psychological warfare champions.
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by menckenstein on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You win LOL
They are pretty good at the “I’m not mad but I’m going to stomp around and act like a bitch for no apparent reason until you go insane and want to beat your head against a wall warfare”
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
The world you see around you was not shaped by "destiny"
It came about through culture and history and trillions of small decisions and incidents.
It isn’t “natural” that dogs exist as pets.
It isn’t “natural” that we fly in airplanes.
And it sure as hell isn’t “natural” that people have treated entire races and and a sex as sub-human slaves…but it has happened and we are living with the after-effects of that.
by Django Z on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Every example you gave is a product of human nature. It’s all natural.
by sexysassytravismmafan on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
And 99% of guys who are 6' tall can beat 95% of the guys who are 5'6"
What’s your point? Fighting’s not natural to short people, either?
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We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
And 99% of guys who are 6’ tall can beat 95% of the guys who are 5’6"
That couldn’t be further from the truth.
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by TheFilt on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
indeed
toughest kid i ever knew was short as hell & he would murdarize people of all shapes & sizes
FART
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uha9CPiHkec
Short people often have to beat the shit out of tall people
To earn respect in urban environments.
by discoandherpes on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Toughest dude I ever knew
was 6’6 230 lbs and could kill anyone.
Learn JiuJitsu.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People, primarily men, have been claiming women are inferior in all respects for centuries. This is clear in everything from abhorrent sexist religious teachings to the prevention of women from voting, joining universities, etc.
Aggression is natural to mammals, period, and anyone who thinks women can’t be physically aggressive has never dealt with a mother. The socially acceptable way for women to display this is passive-aggression — that’s why you see catty retards like The Real Housewives of New York.
But women have always been athletes, and I think it’s much more sane to encourage aggression in combat sports than psychological warfare and Mean Girls bullshit. Men who think women don’t belong in combat sports should think about whether they think it’s a healthier expression of naturally aggressive tendencies than the sublimated version that manifests in petty and sadistic mental violence.
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I don't think anyone here disagrees with what you're trying to say
I think the argument is that women are biologically less inclined and adapted to physical violence than men.
Aggression is not confined to mammals. Everyone alive has a mother. We all know they are protective. Its just common sense. I don’t think its socially acceptable for women to act catty. Its trashy and that’s why we put it on TV.
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"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
It’s unrealistic to characterize it as a biological disinclination if it can be changed by merely making a decision to fight. That not a lot of women make that decision is interesting, but too clouded by social factors for anyone to make bold biological proclamations of having seen The Whole Truth. The fact is that for most behaviors & aptitudes, there is more variation within the sexes than there is between them.
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^ meant to be a reply to the TheFilt, obvs.
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
What you're saying is obvious
I have a long post above describing the same thing.
No one is saying women can’t or shouldn’t fight or even that they can’t excel at fighting.
But, it is a fact that men are, on average, much taller than women. They also have longer arms, much more testosterone and denser bones.
Its ridiculous(and ignorant) to argue that those aren’t biological factors.
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"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I talked about this above
But bone density, while it has a genetic component, is largely the result of activity patterns. If you subject your body to repeated trauma, whether that’s lifting weights, carrying heavy things, or kicking a bag, that remodels your bones and makes them denser.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
That is true
But a large component is genetic when comparing males to females and even between certain races.
Its also a fact that women lose bone density(and even their ability to store calcium) as they age, as opposed to men who can actually gain bone density later in life.
That is to say nothing of the natural significant difference in height, limb length, hand/foot size and muscle mass.
While I agree that if women engage in more strenuous activities, their hormone levels may change. But not nearly enough to bridge the gap in testosterone levels, which can be 20 times higher in a man.
The idea that violent women could have been genetically eliminated is more a question of evolution than biology.
There isn’t any evidence within great ape behavior to suggest that early human females were more violent than modern human females.
Yes, this is certainly an interesting question to debate. I believe a good portion of it is chicken or the egg, but at a certain point, form follows function or so to speak.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I'm with you
On everything except for bone density and muscle mass – if women are systematically excluded from participating in activities that cause bone remodeling and muscular growth, then that’s a cultural difference, not biological. Again, I’m not disputing that women are predisposed to being smaller and weaker than men, just that these disparities are greatly enhanced by cultural factors.
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by Patrick Wyman on Jan 16, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
The thing about muscle mass
Without high levels of testosterone, it is nearly impossible to build heavy muscle. Especially without gaining a large amount of fat.
We’re definitely on the same page though. Both muscle mass and bone density can be increased but there are certainly biological limits.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I’m still not sure what the point of your argument is, though. Women being biologically different doesn’t make them less suited to fighting, it just makes them less suited to fighting men. Which is something that is nearly universally agreed upon, as far as I can tell.
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I made my point extremely clear
Women being biologically different doesn’t make them less suited to fighting, it just makes them less suited to fighting men.
Why would women evolve to fight each other only?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I think the argument is that women are biologically less inclined and adapted to physical violence than men.
Still not sure of the point?
If you are less adapted to fight men, you are less adapted to fight basically everything. Like bears.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
In a no rules situation, I’m very well-adapted to fighting men. They have testicles and I don’t. I would argue that men are less well-adapted to fighting bears than I am to fighting men, based on that single physiological failure feature. Vale tudo and cuttlefish breeding habits have both shown us that you don’t need to be the biggest mofo on the planet in order to win. So can we drop the biological argument? It’s not that simple.
Culturally , sure: women have a much stronger instinct for self-preservation precisely because men are always fighting each other. Who else is gonna repopulate the earth after all these wars? But I think that’s becoming less true as gender roles become more fluid, wars become more abstract, and science begins to obviate the need for women to actually gestate tiny humans. Bring on the lady fighters.
A thousand years ago five minutes were
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by mollcutpurse on Jan 17, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
You don't even understand the conversation
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I honestly want to know
are you 15?
You have some serious issues regarding gender roles.
Just for fun: Your own words
it just makes them less suited to fighting men. Which is something that is nearly universally agreed upon, as far as I can tell.
In a no rules situation, I’m very well-adapted to fighting men. They have testicles and I don’t. I would argue that men are less well-adapted to fighting bears than I am to fighting men, based on that single physiological failure feature.
If you really believe hitting someone in the balls will save you in a life or death situation, you’re either 14 or watch too many movies.
In short, you sound like you’re either 13 or a complete idiot with serious gender issues.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
On another note, men's gymnastics is just plain wrong.

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Still less homoerotic than BJJ
That being said, I can’t wait to get on the mat today.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, of course.
Feats of athleticism should be restricted specifically to that which matches culture! Displaying incredible strength, agility, explosive movement, and perfect balance is all well and good for men you know, but god forbid flexibility is included! I mean, what, did they become women all of a sudden? Better make them hit each other and call it MMA, otherwise I’m gonna feel too threatened.
Share for share, share alike, you'll get struck each time I strike.
I can't stand the WNBA
but I don’t think that women shouldn’t be able to play professionally just because I find it boring. let women kick the shit out of each other I’m all for it.
by TheDreadedMarco on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Short and sweet, great post
All you sonnen haters, chill.....you'll feel sorry for him for when he gets ktfo, live on fox
I think it’s obvious through cultural and historic observation that woman are less evolved for physical violence and combat than are men. That doesn’t mean woman shouldn’t fight, it just means they shouldn’t fight men. And that there is going to be a small majority of female fighters, as there clearly is at this point in time. And just as naturally there will also be biased males who believe woman shouldn’t participate in combat sports. One thing is for sure, a female who trains to fight can kick an average guys ass.
by MaximumWatermelon on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions
















